Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Tuesday, December 9 2003   Volume 02 : Number 318
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:50:14 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Upgrade for Autobahn Driving?
 
Omar,
 
You are mostly right, except I would say there is a "close fit" under the 1st gen wheels.  I wouldn't use it on the track, but I believe some use them on the street.
 
Chuck Willis
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:48:40 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Upgrade for Autobahn Driving?
 
second gen front rotors are larger diameter than 1st gen, thus the second gen front calipers have a longer mounting arm to accomodate the larger diameter rotor.  Drivers side and passenger side calipers are different.  you have to specify which generation to get the right rotors - Porterfield sells both.
 
Chuck Willis
 
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:07:13 -0500
From: Kraig Delaney <krgdelny@optonline.net>
Subject: Team3S: Gauges
 
Hi to All
 
Wondering if anyone has a good person or web site that they can send me
about gauges.  I'm looking of around the same style as the stock gauges.
It is going to be on a Blue 1991 Dodge Stealth RT.  Thanks for any
information..
 
Kraig
1991 Dodge Stealth
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:24:16 -0000
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Upgrade for Autobahn Driving?
 
Pete,
 
        Many of your questions are addressed in Jeff Lucas' informative "Brake
Upgrade Options for the AWD 3000GT/Stealth" document at
http://www.stealth316.com/2-brakeupgrade.htm as well as the Team3S "Brake
Upgrades FAQ" at http://www.team3s.com/FAQbrakeupgr.htm.  Omar raises a good
point about wheel clearance, but from what Chuck says it sounds like certain
1st gen wheels may [barely] accommodate the 2nd gen calipers.  Again, I find
MitsuPartsDirect.Com reasonably priced and responsive to my APO, but I
wouldn't buy stock calipers new; if you're willing to spend that kind of
money, check with Philip at Supercar-Engineering.Com to explore custom
upgrade options (better calipers, floating rotors, etc.).  The SOFA exempts
you from the full TÜV inspection, so the changes you're considering
shouldn't be an issue.  Good luck!
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
       *** Team3S, 3SI #0030, GTOUK #155 ***
      http://www.the-matthews.com/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R Mk1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer, Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
PF cryoed rotors, R4S pads, SS lines w/SBs, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:36:15 -0000
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Borla resonance (was: Hi-flow cats)
 
This from a post to the GTOUK exhaust forum:
 
%%%%%
I recently bought a Borla.
 
550$ U.S. dollars from Summit Racing.
 
I have the ATR Downpipe also, it elimnates the cat.
 
I have heard people having problems with "resonance".
 
Borla used to give away a "resonator" if you called them up and complained.
It is a round 3 inch ring of steel that caves in(your weld this in the front
of the large pipe), but I believe Borla changed their design as of late(last
year) to adjust this problem.
My Borla has a "slight" indent where the downpip meets the dp(you could not
install the resonater if you wanted since you couldnt fit it in.
%%%%%
 
Interesting.  Did Borla actually make a recent design change?  And does it
REALLY work?
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:11:23 -0800 (PST)
From: vr4glenn@newsguy.com
Subject: Team3S: Front Active Aero Dam
 
I can't find the MD for the active aero dam for my 1st gen ('93) vr-4.  Does
anyone have the number and/or remember the price?
 
Thanks much,
 
Glenn
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:25:44 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Active Aero Dam
 
Section 42-610 (Body - Loose Panel) of CAPS.
 
PNC:            66015B
P/N:            MB867826
MSRP:           $375.12
Rockville:      $300.10
 
- --Erik
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:21:08 -0800
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S: Coolant temp
 
Hi All.
 
I am trying to troubleshoot an issue that I have with my car. As stated
earlier, the car starts just fine when cold, starts just fine when hot but
has real hard time starting when warm. The mixture is WAY too rich and until
the O2 sensors start oscillating (warm up). I had issues with the O2 sensors
anyway so I got them replaced. My rich condition seems to be mostly
corrected now, but the warm-start problem is still there.
 
I have confirmed that the IAC/ISC is working properly and that the O2
sensors are both working to spec. The idea that has been brought up before
was the coolant sensor. I have been looking at mine with the dataloger and
it seems to be working, but I do not know if the readouts I am getting from
it are normal. I am in Western Washington, Seattle area and it has been
around 40-45 degreed here past week, lots of rain per usual... What kind of
coolant temp numbers should I be seeing and when? When kicking the crap out
of the crar racing, I was able to push it past 200 degrees while playing
around dodging some cones in a parking lot. When sitting at idle the fan
keeps it right around 184 and under normal driving it rarely breaks 190. Are
those the numbers I should be seeing or are they off whack?
 
The car BTW is a 92 VR4 with a JDM motor in it.
 
Thanks,
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:36:42 -0800
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S: IAC
 
I read over the Jeff's site on how to clean and test the IAC. I think I am
going to verify that mine is working... However, I would also like to test
the harness and looking through the manual, I do not see any test procedures
on how to test if the IAC harness is OK. Anyone have any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:48:02 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: IAC
 
Method 1:
Look more closely at the manual. Specifically look at the "MFI" section in the 3000GT manual or the "MPI" section in the Stealth manual. The harness can be "checked" for sensors that connect to the ECU/ECM (why can't Mitsu and Chrysler agree on the same name for the same components on the "same" car?) by measuring the voltage at the ECU/ECM connector. This connector has "flaps" on it at the outer edges that swing open (snap shut) to allow the easy insertion of probes while the connector is attached to the ECU. The manual identifies the ECU terminals and the voltages expected during different engine operating conditions. An analog or digital voltmeter can be used; see the manual for which to use for which terminals. For the IAC/ISC servo terminal, a voltmeter will not report the steps but will report a fluctuating value. I have verified this on my car ('92 TT).
 
Method 1a:
Use a digital storage oscilloscope (DSO) to monitor the steps at the IAC/ISC or at the ECU/ECM.
 
Method 1b:
A simple continuity test (multimeter set to "ohms") on the wire at the device (IAC/ISC) and at the ECU connector.
 
Method 2:
Use a datalogger to monitor the steps. If the steps look correct then the harness is fine, except possibly for an intermittent problem (heating of IAC motor, intermittent electrical connection of wires, etc.). So use the datalogger with cold and hot engine and while "wiggling" the wires.
 
Did you check the other possiblities mentioned in previous posts?
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:29:37 +0100
From: Engelmann Peter A Maj AFELM PEP <peter.engelmann@ramstein.af.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Upgrade for Autobahn Driving?
 
Hmm, this puts a different light on the decision of 1st gen vs. 2nd gen.  I
wasn't anticipating having to get new wheels, and I anticipate getting used
ones will be difficult in Hamburg.
 
Pete
 
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:33:18 -0300
From: Cesar Diniz Maciel <cmaciel_3000gt@terra.com.br>
Subject: Team3S: Air conditioning problems
 
Hello,
  My air conditioning  was working fine, but the display was blank.
Reading some web pages, I decided to take it out and check for bad
contacts or capacitor leaks. I may have done something wrong, because I
pulled it out and the air conditioning was still working. I opened it
(found nothing that would suggest a failure), and when I reconnected the
control panel, the air conditioning did not work anymore. I checked the
connections to make sure the contacts were good, but could not make it
work anymore. I checked the fuses in the engine bay today and they are
both good.
   1) I read on the service manual that there is a diagnostic connector
under the steering, but I could not find it. Is it the one near the fuse
box?
   2) Any suggestions on what could have happened, and if I can do
anything to diagnose/fix it?
 
  Thanks,
  Cesar
 
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:06:25 +0100
From: Engelmann Peter A Maj AFELM PEP <peter.engelmann@ramstein.af.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake Upgrade for Autobahn Driving?
 
Jim,
 
Thanks for the document links--I'd already found the second one, but the
first one was new to me, and as you say, lots of good information there. I
should find out later today what the status of my stock equipment is--I'll
check with you and a couple of other folks who've responded to my question
off-line as I narrow down what I'm going to do.  I don't want to tie up the
forum too much.
 
Thanks for the help!!
 
Pete
 
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:55:34 -0600
From: "Jesse Rink" <jrink@w3si.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Coolant temp
 
Tyson,
I don't see anything wrong with your coolant temps.   Quite normal if you
ask me, and right on par with my car according to my datalogger.  When you
beat on it,  you can reach slightly above 200 degrees, but normal driving is
usually around 185-190 or so - exactly what mine does.  I can't comment on
the other problems you're having since I haven't been following your
previous posts, sorry.
 
Jesse Rink
Eagle, WI
 
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:10:38 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Coolant temp
 
Tyson,
        I agree with what Jesse said - I've got a "real" temp gauge in my car, and coolant temp is digitally displayed all the time.  The coolant thermostat operates at 80C (176F), so I never see it get below 78C (172F) once it's warmed up.  Depending on ambient temp, it will typically be between 80C(176F) and 92C(198F) during normal driving.  If I come to a stop right after driving hard and idle the car, it sometimes creeps up as high as 98C(208F).  On the dyno, probably without adequate airflow, I saw 108C(226F) before I had the operator shut her down. 
 
        Also, since you are having warm start issues, I'll toss this in.  If I drive the car enough to get things nice and hot and then park the car (after appropriate idling, of course), coolant temps can read pretty high when I restart the car.  This generally happens if it's hot outside (ambient temp.) and I start the car back up after it sits for 10-20 minutes.  I've seen as high as 102-104C (215F-219F) for a second or two until the coolant starts circulating and then it drops right back down to the mid-90s.
 
- --Erik
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 
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