Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Wednesday, January 15 2003  Volume 02 : Number 053
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:05:33 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: PST CFDS... new issue
 
This is exactly the same symptom my son's VR4 had - it was a bent rim that appeared to be in  balance off the car, but when we replaced the rim using the same tire - presto!- no more vibration  at 70 mph.  This vibration was transmitted to the steering wheel.
 
Chuck Willis
 

I drove my car around on the highway today, and wow, it vibrates now! Especially at 70mph it gets  really bad. Under 70 and above 70 it's not quite so bad.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:56:06 -0800
From: Donald Weberg <Dweberg@Stillen.com>
Subject: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Hello everyone!
 
My name is Don Weberg, and I'm the marketing coordinator for STILLEN in
Costa Mesa, California.  With the help of Mr. Forrest, I am trying to
establish a Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth applications.
 
One of STILLEN's divisions, Brake-Pros, is the Exclusive North American
Distributor for AP Racing Brakes, and as such, we can offer some tremendous
deals on these superior brakes.
 
The AP system for 3000GT/Stealth cars is comprised of rigid 6-Piston
aluminum-alloy calipers, massive 13.5-inch cross-drilled and slotted
rotors, Goodridge stainless steel lines, high performance pads, and
aircraft aluminum mounting hardware.  The system is a track-derived design
and offers the best quality components which in turn offers superior fade
resistance, positive pedal feel, late-braking confidence, and a great look
all in one.
 
The Group Buy we're trying to work out is like this:  The above AP Racing
Brake system lists for $2,899.  We're interested in gather between one and
three people for a special price of $2,699 and we're going to include
STILLEN's own Rear Sport Rotors, which are an excellent alternative to
stock rotors, as they are cross-drilled offering further fade resistance to
match the AP kit out front.
 
If this sounds at all interesting to you guys, please let me know.  If you
have questions, I'm more than happy to answer them and if I can't I'll put
you in touch with someone here who can.  Thanks for your time, and I'll
hope to hear from you!!
 
Ciao For Now,
Don Weberg
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:10:07 -0500
From: "vijay" <vijay@buydeal.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need help with Plug wires
 
Hi,
 
First of all, I'm glad to be the member of the list.
 
I'm a starter for mods, I've replaced 17" wheels and tires couple of days
ego, those are performance tyres, it vibrates after 70mph(as hell) so I'm
planning to change my wheels and tyres to 18" or higher.
last Saturday I changed spark plugs by myself for the first time with the
help of Eric Gross's practical experience, I appreciate eric for sharing
with others. As I installed laser platinum plugs for $12 each, and even
replaced plug wires which is of 7mm(brand-Belden), after successful
installation I found "MSD 8.5mm Spark Plug Wires" which says high
performance plugs, so please guide me, should I change my plug wires or
keep 7mm. I couldn't decide.
 
(1995 3000GT NT RED)
 
Thanks
Vijay
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:24:03 -0800
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Don,
You might want to post this on 3si.org as well.  I'd post it under the
parts for sale section not the group buy section.  Gets much more
visibility that way.
 
Thanks for setting this up.  Seems like a good deal.
Damon
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:19:15 -0800
From: "Dean Benz" <dbenz@vchillclimb.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Don, if this is the kit I think it is, it requires 18" wheels with good spoke clearance.
 
I'm sure everyone would appreciate accurate fitment and wheel compatibility information.
 
In addition, as this is a technical list, detailed specs on the calipers, hats, and rotors would be  appreciated as well.
 
If I am right, about size, then for the racers out there, this means 18" race rubber which is only  available in limited fitments at rather high costs.
 
Perhaps with your internal contacts, you could convince them to offer a 17" solution, as well as a  choice of rotors besides the drilled & slotted. Some of us prefer the less crack prone flat, or  slotted rotors, even though they don't look as pretty.
 
Thanks
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:37:09 -0800
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Don,
I've questioned Stillen about rotor size before and was not provided
with many options besides the 13.5" kit.  Dean brings up an excellent
point.  Even with 18s (stock), it is a very tight fit (less than 2mm of
clearance between stock wheels).  In fact, with RPO1s, there's less than
1mm of clearance.  TE37s fit a bit better (several mms of clearance).
 
I might be able to do some homework for you since I have access to
several cars that currently have the kit on them.  this weekend, I might
be able to get Terry to come by GTPRO and help me swap some wheels to
see exactly what does and does not fit.
 
Damon
 
Dean Benz wrote:
 
> Don, if this is the kit I think it is, it requires 18" wheels with
> good spoke clearance.
>
> I'm sure everyone would appreciate accurate fitment and wheel
> compatibility information.
>
> In addition, as this is a technical list, detailed specs on the
> calipers, hats, and rotors would be appreciated as well.
>
> If I am right, about size, then for the racers out there, this means
> 18" race rubber which is only available in limited fitments at rather
> high costs.
>
> Perhaps with your internal contacts, you could convince them to offer
> a 17" solution, as well as a choice of rotors besides the drilled &
> slotted. Some of us prefer the less crack prone flat, or slotted
> rotors, even though they don't look as pretty.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:36:28 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
If any of the listers could forward my email onto the racers list I would be appreciative.
 
There are quite few "big brake" kits that fit under 17" wheels this kit does not fit under the  stock 2G 17's only because those wheels need about 3MM more offset.  Darren (Flash) was kind enough  to post a link last year that showed how much the calipers rubbed against the inner rim lip.
 
The big trick is to get a set of wheels with a 40MM or better yet a 38mm offset and you will be  fine.  A prime candidate would be the enkei RT6's
 
I also have quite bit of experience after looking a Brian Bocheneck's monster up close last summer.   Now his car is how to build our ladies to hunt at a Road course  :)
 
Russ F
CT
 
93 VR-4 (Uhhh Russ is it supposed to belch smoke and fire like that?  I don't know but it looks  damn mean)
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:04:53 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Make it the 14" AP kit that is available everyplace else in the world reduce the price, and I'd  consider it more... Before anyone tries telling you there is no such thing, here is the link:  http://www.apracing.com/roadcar/brakekit/p12106.pdf
and you can select our cars looking for the kit info (356mm rotors) here:  http://www.apracing.com/roadcar/brakekit/dataselect.asp
 
Now, if somebody comes back and gives some reason it is impossible or unrealistic to get the AP  Racing 14" kit (they told ME that last year), those interested can write me and I can give you some  info on how to (hopefully still, this was 10 months ago I researched this) get the14" AP kit for  $2245.75...as long as Stillen or somebody didn't/doesn't somehow put the hammer down on good old  Freedom USA Free Market Competition.  Of course prices may have gone up over the last year etc. I  had enquired as to the cost of replacement rotors, and they were $339.40 each + $50 each  crossdrilling if desired.  The supplier said he could likely get the discs made here in USA for  $200-225.
 
I needed them fast/in stock for last year's F-Body Road America meet, so I got the Brembo 14" kit  which is great, but costs more.  http://hp.brembo.com/brandlist.asp?ECSShopperID=LNHDLXX78P6V8GG6Q8SWSGX3LBQ2
6XGD&LngCode=ENG&sCurrency=USD&PrCatID=3&CatID=24&CatMemID=&PCode=&PageNumbe
r=5
 
Jack T.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:02:35 -0800
From: Donald Weberg <Dweberg@Stillen.com>
Subject: Team3S: AP Racing sizes
 
Hey guys
 
To answer some sizing Q's, here is what R&D offered up....
 
17-inch wheels required with minimum pad height clearance of
1.940"=dimension A and an inner diameter clearance of 15.50"
 
This doesn't include the stock wheel because of lack of pad height
clearance.  (Caliper will conflict with wheel spokes and inner diameter is
not enough)
 
For more technically inclined questions and answers, give Terry Henderson
an email at terryh@brake-pros.com, or call him at 714.540.5566 ext. 132.
 
Coolio!
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:09:40 -0500
From: Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
Subject: Team3S: re: driveline play - still there
 
I recently went through the same thing with my '92 VR4, as the clunk seemed to get worse and very  noticeable over the past year. My car is a daily driver with 153K miles on it, and also races at  the dragstrip several times a year.
 
First, I replaced the driveshaft with a Dynotech 2-piece metal-matrix shaft. This shaft required  using one of the old carrier bearings, which I replaced with a new one. This shaft also included  all new U-joints. The clunk seemed a little better after the install, but also seemed to be coming  more from the rear now. At this point, I decided not to race my car anymore at the dragstrip until  I could find out why the drivetrain was clunking.
 
Second, I replaced the rear differential with a newer used unit. The newer unit had not been  rebuilt, but did seem to have less play in the pinion gear than the one I removed from my car.  After the installation, the clunk was better, but still there, and seemed to be coming more from  the center and front areas of the car.Even though there was still significant clunk, I decided to  start dragracing again and had no problems.
 
Third, I removed the transfer case (while doing a clutch replacement), and examined the tranny  output shaft carefully. It was well worn, but not unusable yet. But I believe that's probably a  source of some of the drivetrain clunk.
 
Fourth, I replaced the rear motor mount, the one that's closest to the firewall. I did this because  my datalogger has been recording unusually high, and sometimes erratic, knock sums, presumably false  knock. The old mount was shot, and since the installation, I immediately noticed a huge reduction  in drivetrain clunk. It's almost gone. I haven't datalogged my car again yet, but I'd be willing to  bet my knock problem is gone too.
 
Last, I took my car in today for the transfer case re-call service. They inspected my transfer  case, replace the seals, put new fluid in it, and re-installed it. Driving from the dealership, I  noticed seemingly more clunk than when I took the car in. I'm sure they replaced my Redline fluid  with stock-type fluid, but I don't know why that would make a difference in the clunk factor. So  I'm going to drive the car a little more before I take it back to the dealer and complain.
 
Jeff W.
'92 VR4
Belleville, MI
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:32:15 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
I see your email reference, Russell, and that AP Kit was attached to a friend's first gen VR-4 up  in your neck of the woods (near Danbury, CT) with Spyder VR4 17" wheels.  I can dig up that video  again of the view from where the inside chrome of the wheels rubs slightly on the outside of the AP  6-piston caliper.  One revolution and the thickness of chrome wore away so no more rubbing.  There  was no spacer on the hub either. That's as far as my knowledge takes me but I forget what size the  rotor was.  That kit was purchased about a year and a half ago to a year ago.
 
- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Furman, Russell
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 13:36
 
If any of the listers could forward my email onto the racers list I would be appreciative.
 
There are quite few "big brake" kits that fit under 17" wheels this kit does not fit under the  stock 2G 17's only because those wheels need about 3MM more offset.  Darren (Flash) was kind enough  to post a link last year that showed how much the calipers rubbed against the inner rim lip.
 
The big trick is to get a set of wheels with a 40MM or better yet a 38mm offset and you will be  fine.  A prime candidate would be the enkei RT6's
 
I also have quite bit of experience after looking a Brian Bocheneck's monster up close last summer.   Now his car is how to build our ladies to hunt at a Road course  :)
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:03:42 -0800
From: Donald Weberg <Dweberg@Stillen.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
In response to this, Terry H. informs us all that:
 
plus the UK kit is in pounds, there is air freight to be paid, broker fees to be paid, customs fees  to be paid, etc, etc. that equals a lot more than our price. Terry Henderson terryh@stillen.com  Brake Pros 3176 Airway Ave. Costa Mesa  CA  92626 800-576-2131Ext. 132 714-540-9154 Ext. 169
 
HE ALSO SAYS:
 
the kit is 343mm not 355mm rotor.
Terry Henderson terryh@stillen.com
Brake Pros
3176 Airway Ave.
Costa Mesa  CA  92626
800-576-2131Ext. 132
714-540-9154 Ext. 169
714-540-1826 Fax
 
Don Weberg
Stillen marketing coordinator
 
Make it the 14" AP kit that is available everyplace else in the world reduce the price, and I'd  consider it more... Before anyone tries telling you there is no such thing, here is the link:  http://www.apracing.com/roadcar/brakekit/p12106.pdf
and you can select our cars looking for the kit info (356mm rotors) here:  http://www.apracing.com/roadcar/brakekit/dataselect.asp
 
Now, if somebody comes back and gives some reason it is impossible or unrealistic to get the AP  Racing 14" kit (they told ME that last year), those interested can write me and I can give you some  info on how to (hopefully still, this was 10 months ago I researched this) get the14" AP kit for  $2245.75...as long as Stillen or somebody didn't/doesn't somehow put the hammer down on good old  Freedom USA Free Market Competition.  Of course prices may have gone up over the last year etc. I  had enquired as to the cost of replacement rotors, and they were $339.40 each + $50 each  crossdrilling if desired.  The supplier said he could likely get the discs made here in USA for  $200-225.
 
I needed them fast/in stock for last year's F-Body Road America meet, so I got the Brembo 14" kit  which is great, but costs more.  http://hp.brembo.com/brandlist.asp?ECSShopperID=LNHDLXX78P6V8GG6Q8SWSGX3LBQ2
6XGD&LngCode=ENG&sCurrency=USD&PrCatID=3&CatID=24&CatMemID=&PCode=&PageNumbe
r=5
 
Jack T.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:00:52 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Thanks, but I already have my Big Reds up front.
If you guys come up with an improvement for the rear brakes, I'd be interested. Got a big caliper  that works back there?
 
Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 w/Porsche Big Red calipers, BFG SS lines, Motul, Carbotech pads
 
>The Group Buy we're trying to work out is like this:  The above AP
>Racing Brake system lists for $2,899.  We're interested in gather
>between one and three people for a special price of $2,699 and
>we're going to include STILLEN's own Rear Sport Rotors, which are
>an excellent alternative to stock rotors, as they are
>cross-drilled offering further fade resistance to match the
>AP kit out front.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:17:10 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need help with Plug wires
 
Perhaps the wheels are not centered? There is no reason for vibration if they are balanced.
 
If you can take the 7mm wires back fine, otherwise wait for a year or two before replacing them.  With the NT you really are not going to stress the wires much, more aging effect and looks  determine what you need.
 
I changed to Magnecor 8.5 at 30K when I changed plugs. I was planning for NOS, but then got into  road courses and lost interest in drags. Magnecors are holding up great after several years. 
 
Kurt 96 NT
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: vijay [mailto:vijay@buydeal.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:10 AM
 
Hi,
 
First of all, I'm glad to be the member of the list.
 
I'm a starter for mods, I've replaced 17" wheels and tires couple of days
ego, those are performance tyres, it vibrates after 70mph(as hell) so I'm
planning to change my wheels and tyres to 18" or higher.
last Saturday I changed spark plugs by myself for the first time with the
help of Eric Gross's practical experience, I appreciate eric for sharing
 
with others. As I installed laser platinum plugs for $12 each, and even
replaced plug wires which is of 7mm(brand-Belden), after successful
installation I found "MSD 8.5mm Spark Plug Wires" which says high
performance plugs, so please guide me, should I change my plug wires or
keep 7mm. I couldn't decide.
 
(1995 3000GT NT RED)
 
Thanks
Vijay
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:21:29 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
5mm and 7mm spacers should work too, if only the offset is a concern.
 
Kurt
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:21:09 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
I made a very good experience with the Bremsa rotors in the rear (crossdrilled slotted) together  with Pagid Orange and of course the second gen brakes. Breaking became much more neutral what  resulted in a later braking point before the turn. I can't compare with other makes as I was pretty  happy with them.
 
Roger
93' & 96'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:35:10 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
At 09:21 PM 1/14/03 +0100, Roger Gerl wrote:
>I made a very good experience with the Bremsa rotors in the rear
>(crossdrilled slotted) together with Pagid Orange and of course the
>second gen brakes.
 
I've tried all sorts of pads in the rear, from Porterfield R4 to R4S to stockers, and have seen  absolutely no difference in performance. Quite a bit in longevity, of course, because the stock  pads don't last very long at all. The race pads squeak, creak, and dust a lot, but there's no  appreciable difference in performance. I've not changed rotors because I have yet to wear one down,  after four years of running.
 
It just seems to me that not much happens in the back, so without a larger caliper and pad, we'll  never improve braking back there. Now, if we could just move the big 2nd gen front calipers to the  rear...
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:06:38 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Hey everyone - here is the installation I did on a friends first gen VR-4 in August 2001.  I took  video of the process and extracted these pictures from that video.  Here is shown the 13.5" AP  rotor, 6-piston AP caliper, and 17" Spyder VR4 wheels.  I also have pictures comparing the stock  first gen to AP calipers, brake pads, and rotors on this page too (with a tape measure giving some  ideas of the sizes).
 
The video actually has the rubbing sound of the chrome on the inside of the wheel contacting the  caliper but after one pass this was worn off and presto - no more rubbing.  The clearance would be  quite small (both the clearance from the outside of the caliper to the inside of the wheel as well  as the face of the caliper to the inside of the spokes) but as far as I could tell - the spacing  toward the spokes was similar to stock or the Big Reds offer.  The clearance between the caliper  and the inside diameter of the wheel though is less since the rotor is obviously a larger diameter.
 
http://www.speedtoys.com/~dschilberg/whubbell/AP_brakes/
 
Let me know what other questions I can help clarify.
 
P.S. IMHO - I've ridden in the car at Watkins Glen and it will absolutely stomp all over a similar  car with "just" Big Reds.  There is no question in my mind.  After 1.5 hard days of stomping on the  brakes I don't believe we even had to bleed the brake fluid.  These things are MASSIVE.  End of  story.
 
- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dean Benz
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 13:19
 
Don, if this is the kit I think it is, it requires 18" wheels with good spoke clearance.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:16:07 -0800
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
Maybe it's the brake bias.  I converted my 1st gen to 2nd gen rears and
man, did I feel a difference.  Originally, the F-40s up front were doing
ALL of the work, not it feels like it's a little too much biased to the
rear.
 
anyone know if there's a difference in part #s?  Caps anyone? Damon
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:32:44 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Group Buy for AP Racing Brakes for 3000GT/Stealth
 
To anyone interested MOVIT does offer a  rear brake upgrade I currently do not know the  specifications (rotor diameter, thickness, etc...).  Go to ultimategarage.com and then to MOVIT  brakes, they list applications and specs.
 
For some reason they are on the buy list for my baby if the funds are available.......
 
Russ F
CT
 
93 VR-4
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:49:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Email problem..
 
Due to a munched record at the NIC for my host record of www.speedtoys.com, there are occasional  Email burps that I cant control.
 
Make sure ANY order inquiries are sent to orders@speedtoys.com, or if you need me, use  gemohler@speedtoys.com *drop the www*
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:47:37 -0500 (EST)
From: kimbyrd@webtv.net (Kimberly Byrd)
Subject: Team3S: rotten egg smell?! Help!
 
I have a 1994 3000GT NA. This car has the SL motor, even though it is not an SL. I have 125,000  miles on the car. I noticed a horribly strong rotten egg smell for the first time while driving the  car on Sunday. I stopped at a stop sign and I smelled it and it only lasted for about a minute. I  didn't notice any smell at all yesterday. This morning, I started the car to let it warm up for  about 10 minutes before I left for my 40 minute commute. I smelled the rotten egg smell when I got  within 10 feet of the car. What is this? If I don't fix it immediately (whatever it is?), will it  get worse?
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:48:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rotten egg smell?! Help!
 
The cat. convertor..its purging sulphur..sometimes different fuels have high(er) sulphur  content than others.
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:50:48 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rotten egg smell?! Help!
 
Sounds like the catalytic converter went south.
Time for a replacement, Kim. Or a test pipe to get rid of it.
 
Rich
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:22:31 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: rotten egg smell?! Help!
 
I have a 96 NA complete exhaust with 25K miles.
$50 if you happen to be near Moreno Valley, CA.
 
Kurt
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:27:31 EST
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: rotten egg smell?! Help!
 
I to have gotten that rotten smell, and while it is possible that it is the
cat, it can also be the type of gas you use.
 
I always used Amoco gas until all the stations near me turned to exxon. 
While using that gas this winter the smell started to come. I switched back
to amoco and the smell was gone. Perhaps it is the "winterizing" chemicals
put into the gas that can cause this?
 
- -mike
97 SL
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:54:14 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Various Gauge Sending Unit Installation Pictures and Instructions
 
I finally got a chance to make a web page for my sensor installation pictures. 
 
Here are the direct links to the Oil Pressure & Temperature, Water Temperature, and Fuel Pressure  Sensor installation web pages:
 
http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/OilSend/page1.html
 
http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/WaterSend/page1.html
 
http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/FPSend/page1.html
 
Enjoy,
- --Erik
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:05:07 -0600
From: "Terry Schilling" <t.d.schilling@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Team3S: Need new clutch:  Mitsu or Dodge?
 
I'm looking to have the clutch in my '92 Stealth Twin Turbo replaced soon and have been calling the  Dodge and Mitsu dealers around St. Louis.  I've found that Mitsu can save me a lot on parts.  Labor  costs are about the same.  Can anyone provide feedback as to why I should or shouldn't have my  clutch replaced by the Mitsu dealer?  I'm not set on having a dealer's service dept. do the work by  I figure it's a complicated process and would rather have someone with experience do the work (bad  assumption?).  What other pitfalls should I watch for in having this operation done?  Does $1300 -  $1400 for parts and labor sound reasonable?
 
Thanks
Terry
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:58:23 -0500
From: "vze49hff" <vze49hff@verizon.net>
Subject: Team3S: Vacuum routing and misc.
 
Hello, my name is Brian. I'm new here and I have just recently bought a 1991 VR-4 Which we don't  know all that much about yet...We had to replace the rod bearings with Clevite 77's  that was no  problem, but neither my friend or myself have ever played with one...so we're not familiar with any  of the exact specs as far as fuel pressure, vacuum, boost, etc.
 
We have found a mystery hose hanging down about a few inches left and a few inches below the intake  on the plenum and everything appears to be fine, but I'd like to find out what it is for...does  anyone have a vacuum routing diagram or at least an idea as to what this hose goes to? It's about  1/2 inch thick with about a 1/4 inch hole if that helps...Today was the first time in 2 weeks that  we've started the car(just began fixing it because the motor rapped real bad and it's leaking oil  like crazy from the crank seal) the motor sounds great now except for that damn ticking, and we're  doing the seal tomorrow. But according to the boost gauge when we first started it up today it was  at like 15-18 lbs. vacuum@ about 1700-1800RPM when it was idling cold, we couldn't run it long  enough to heat it up cuz of the leak...but is that vacuum normal-good-bad??
 
And we don't really know what the best performance parts for this car are...plugs-wires-intake-fuel  pump-down pipe-brakes and pads-which fluids to use in it--If anyone could help out with any that  stuff too, it would be GREAT!  -- P.S. my friend has been bugging me mostly about the plugs he  insists on Denso Iridium what do you guys think?
 
Thanks for any help you can offer!!
 
   Brian
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:26:04 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need new clutch:  Mitsu or Dodge?
 
That assumption in and of itself isn't a bad one. The problem is thinking that satan's service  department is someone with experience with these cars. If it were a neon or a galant, maybe. Not a  vr4/tt. You're likely to have one of those guys get the car up on a lift, scratch the empty space  between his ears and go "is that a rear differential I see back there?".
 
A stock clutch kit costs ~300. That's the friction disc, pressure plate and throwout bearing (me  thinks, at least...). I remember being quoted just under 1000 by the dealer (parts + labor).
 
Alex.
'95 VR4
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:38:27 -0800 (PST)
From: MARC <msa916@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: NEED A QUICK PART NUMBER?
 
Hi,
 
     I was hoping someone might be able to help me; I
am looking for a part number for the clear plastic
cover that covers the speedo, tachometer, and gas
gauge.  It’s for a 1994 3000gt SL VIN
ja3am64j3ry038883.  I have the caps program, but I
cannot find the cdr I copied it on.
Thanks for the help,
Marc
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:58:19 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NEED A QUICK PART NUMBER?
 
Looks like it's MB849371 --- glass combination meter
 
With a little luck they don't sell it separately !!!
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:41:25 -0700
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Need a 99 front bumper
 
Where can I get a cheap from the factory 99 front bumper?
I was thinking Rockville mitsu? (mitsupartsdirect.com)
Could anyone give me the PIN for it so I can get a price check? I'm on dialup, so it would take  days for me to download CAPS :( Donald Ashby '93 3000GT VR-4 "Don't drink and park, accidents cause  people!"
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:59:27 -0700
From: Stephanie & David Walker <scba@centurytel.net>
Subject: Team3S: Shipping a 3000GT
 
Can anyone recommend a specific trucking or shipping company to transport a 3000GT across country?  I'd prefer a closed shipping truck. The trip will be from Maryland to Montana. I checked the  archives but found no names. It would be nice to deal with a reputable shipper that another team3s  member has used.
 
Also, can anyone recommend a mitsu dealer or mechanic in Montana or Washington? Thanks. David W
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 04:38:05 -0600
From: "Steve" <denon11@insightbb.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need a 99 front bumper
 
HI, Donald
 
Well, I don't know about cheap but check out 3sx
Or you can do the entire conversion check it out. http://www.3sxperformance.com/body.asp
Below is a place I get my OEM parts and the bumper is cheaper then 3sx  http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=selectTree&CatalogID
=2&siteid=840
 
God luck in your search
 
Best wishes, Steve
 
Where can I get a cheap from the factory 99 front bumper?
I was thinking Rockville mitsu? (mitsupartsdirect.com)
Could anyone give me the PIN for it so I can get a price check? I'm on dialup, so it would take  days for me to download CAPS :( Donald Ashby '93 3000GT VR-4 "Don't drink and park, accidents cause  people!"
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 04:51:33 -0600
From: "Steve" <denon11@insightbb.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need a 99 front bumper
 
HI, Donald
 
Sorry the last link does not work.
Click the link below and it will take you
were you need to go.
 
http://www.partznet.com/mitsubishihomepage.html
 
Just click Parts catalog on the left
and inter your info and away you go.
There price on the front bumper is 395.67 + S/H
 
Have Fun
 
Steve 
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:05:14 -0600
From: "Steve" <denon11@insightbb.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: crank angle sensor
 
Thanks for all the info from those of you that
replied.
 
I have ordered the parts necessary to put the car back together. After a few tests I will know if I  have any bent parts. If I don't have any damage I will be one of the lucky few. I will keep the  group posted.
 
Steve......
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 7:20 PM
 
Hello Group
 
This is my dilemma. I have a 1995 3000GT SL.
The harmonic dampeners outer ring walked on me.
In doing this it broke the P/S Belt.
The P/S Belt got raped around the crank
and in doing so it wore a hole in the lower
timing cover. This is where it gets good.
Parts of the belt were moving around inside
the timing cover, and caused the motor to die.
After the removal of the timing covers & Crank pulley
I saw that the crank angle ring and the crank angle sensor
were damaged. One ear or the crank angle ring was bent over causing it to hit the crank angle  sensor. This is my question. In my examination to the timing, it appears that the value train
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:20:25 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need new clutch:  Mitsu or Dodge?
 
I'm not so sure that the Mitsu dealer, or a Dodge dealer for that matter, has any more experience  changing a clutch in a Stealth or 3000GT than you or I do.  But I suppose that, unless you have the  time to do it yourself, you're stuck.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Terry Schilling [mailto:t.d.schilling@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:05 PM
 
I'm looking to have the clutch in my '92 Stealth Twin Turbo replaced soon and have been calling the  Dodge and Mitsu dealers around St. Louis. I've found that Mitsu can save me a lot on parts.  Labor  costs are about the same.  Can anyone provide feedback as to why I should or shouldn't have my  clutch replaced by the Mitsu dealer?  I'm not set on having a dealer's service dept. do the work by  I figure it's a complicated process and would rather have someone with experience do the work (bad  assumption?).  What other pitfalls should I watch for in having this operation done?  Does $1300 -  $1400 for parts and labor sound reasonable?
 
Thanks
Terry
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:25:04 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: NEED A QUICK PART NUMBER?
 
Looks like it's just around $10 from partznet.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:58 AM
 
Looks like it's MB849371 --- glass combination meter
 
With a little luck they don't sell it separately !!!
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:31:01 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need a 99 front bumper
 
Part No. MR439752 (Front Bumper, Bumper & Components, 1999, Bumper Cover, Bumper Cover ) is around  $400 on partznet.com. 
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Donald Ashby [mailto:dashbyiii@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:41 AM
 
Where can I get a cheap from the factory 99 front bumper?
I was thinking Rockville mitsu? (mitsupartsdirect.com)
Could anyone give me the PIN for it so I can get a price check? I'm on dialup, so it would take  days for me to download CAPS :( Donald Ashby '93 3000GT VR-4 "Don't drink and park, accidents cause  people!"
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:52:04 -0700
From: Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject: Team3S: Recall notice came
 
> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does
> not understand this format, some or all of this message
> may not be legible.
 
Well my recall notice came from Chrysler today for my 92 Stealth.  The transfer case is not leaking  at all.  Are you folks bringing the car in if the case is dry?  Should I leave well enough alone  and keep an eye on it or bring it in? Chip 92 RT/tt
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:54:41 -0800 (PST)
From: BRANDY BLASOR <brandyblasor@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Recall notice came all models?
 
I have a 92 R/T, is the recall just for turbo models?
 
- --- Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net> wrote:
> Well my recall notice came from Chrysler today for
> my 92 Stealth.  The
> transfer case is not leaking at all.  Are you folks
> bringing the car in if
> the case is dry?  Should I leave well enough alone
> and keep an eye on it or
> bring it in?
> Chip
> 92 RT/tt
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:59:48 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Recall notice came all models?
 
Just the turbos, since the other models don't have a transfer case.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: BRANDY BLASOR [mailto:brandyblasor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:55 AM
 
I have a 92 R/T, is the recall just for turbo models?
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:17:13 -0800
From: Rick Pierce <piercera@pacbell.net>
Subject: Team3S: Help Cold=starts/runs great, Warm=intermittent starts/dies or starts+run to 2K and  returns to normal
 
Hi Everyone,
 
This one is real puzzling. Here is the detailed version:
92 Dodge TT
Old: always started and ran normally cold, warm, and hot
 
Now: When Cold it starts and runs like normal, but when warm (after some amount of time?) when I  shut it off and go to restart it, sometimes it fires and then dies. If the minute it fires, you  take the rpm up to like 2K for a couple of seconds, and let off, it idles fine and runs great (like  it never had the start problem). If you keep on trying to start it normally without using the  accelerator pedal trick, it seems to make it more difficult to get it going to the higher rpm, but  it still will run normally once it gets there and seems to "clear" itself (lame I know).
 
I have swapped ECUs (with my VR-4's) and there is no difference, (both ECUs have already had the  caps changed out), so it isn't that. There is no CE light, and the front three plugs look great.  I've searched Team3S and 3Si and found no similar problem description. I have the service manuals  and have been pouring through the MFI section - and on page 13A-25 there is a page titled "check  chart classified by problem symptoms" and the second column is titled "Fires up and Dies, Hard  Starting" - which sure sounds like my problem under warm/hot conditions, I am following that list,  but also am checking anything I can think of. I was never trained in fuel injection, so I'm book  learning - so this is a real tough one.
 
Here's what I've checked/tried:
 
Swapped ECUs - same
FPR Solenoid Operation and Electronically checks
Fuel Pump works fine (as it runs great once it gets going) - don't have a fuel pressure gauge setup  so I then did the: Fuel pump relay bypass (eliminates the resistor on idle so voltage increase to  pump at idle) - thanks Jeff Lucius for all the great info Changed out the Fuel Filter (to eliminate  this from being a potential pressure restriction) Cleaned the ISC (tested out fine electronically  BTW), Cleaned the BIS screw (pretty dirty) and reset idle.
 
I thought I was making progress, but it happened late yesterday again. God, I hate intermittent  problems - Starts fine goes to about 1300 to get going then drops to idle, it normally does this to  about 700-800 but it keeps going to about 500 and you can tell it's not happy there, so it drops to  zero - then it is easy to get idling using the accelerator, but it is tough to get it going (like  it's loaded up) once you do it's ok. The front plugs still show no sign of being flooded.  Even  after this it runs like it never had the problem.
 
Anyone have any ideas please e-mail me directly too at piercera@pacbell.net - the car drives great  and operates fine except for this intermittent warm start problem.  Thanks for all your help
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:25:04 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need a 99 front bumper
 
You might try Tallahassee Mitsu...  www.worldparts.com/tallmits
 
I think I paid about $350 for my '99 front bumper...
 
- -Cody
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:49:06 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Help on motor mounts
 
Looks like I need motor mounts.
 
Should I replace all four? I can see that the top front one is bad, but I can't tell with the rest.  Evidence indicates that the motor is moving around pretty good. I have 80,000 miles...do yez think  all four are bad?
 
Stock or 3SX? I run the car on open tracks.
Any good deals around these days?
What's the price for stockers?
 
All advice welcome.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:46:17 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help on motor mounts
 
Rich I would recommend the 3SX mounts, everything I have heard from anyone that has them is that  they are a good deal and a hella lot cheaper than stockers.......
 
Speaking of which I should call Steve and spend some more money this week ;)
 
Russ F
CT
 
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