Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Thursday, June 13 2002    Volume 01 : Number 868




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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:03:26 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Well, it looks like I lied.  The fuel pressure regulator WASN'T the source
of my lean problem, and I still don't know what is.  :(

Last night on a whim, I decided to perform the fuel pump relay bypass (the
one that switches low/high voltage).  After doing that, the fuel pressure
acted normally.  I got 37 PSI at idle, 44 PSI at idle with the vacuum line
unplugged, and the fuel pressure raised when I pumped pressure into the FPR
vacuum line with a hand pump.  So, my FPR is fine.  I was hoping that the
relay bypass would solve my leanness at WOT, but it didn't.  :(  Behavior is
still the same:  cruising enters closed loop mode normally, but at WOT I run
lean. 

So, I'm back to trying to track down the problem.  I figure the root problem
is one of two things:  either the fuel pressure is not high enough, or the
injectors are not being driven properly by the ECU for some reason.  Fuel
pressure is easier to check, so that's what I'm attacking first.  My fuel
pressure gauge line isn't long enough to reach out of the engine bay, so I
can't read the fuel pressure while driving.  I'm also thinking about
hotwiring the fuel pump (I have a Supra pump, though).  I'm running out of
other possible sources for low fuel pressure though.  If the problem is the
ECU not driving the injectors, I'm not sure what it could be, and I'm also
not sure quite how I'd go about figuring it out.  Urrgh.  This is getting
frustrating.

I'm REALLY open to any suggestions, both as to how to attack the problem and
what might be the source.

Thanks to everyone who's made suggestions so far!

- - Brian

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:12:09 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Hey Brian,
What about poor spray patterns from the injectors?  If you weren't
atomizing fuel entirely, then you'd get incomplete burn, leaving excess
air in the combustion chanber.  Try running Redline SI-1 through the
system with a low tank of gas (max concentration).  Maybe it's just that
your injectors need some good ol TLC.

PS- i'll be getting rid of my stocker's soon, so if you want to buy an
extra set, lemme know.
Damon


Geddes, Brian J wrote:

> Well, it looks like I lied.  The fuel pressure regulator WASN'T the source
> of my lean problem, and I still don't know what is.  :(
>
> Last night on a whim, I decided to perform the fuel pump relay bypass (the
> one that switches low/high voltage).  After doing that, the fuel pressure
> acted normally.  I got 37 PSI at idle, 44 PSI at idle with the vacuum line
> unplugged, and the fuel pressure raised when I pumped pressure into the FPR
> vacuum line with a hand pump.  So, my FPR is fine.  I was hoping that the
> relay bypass would solve my leanness at WOT, but it didn't.  :(  Behavior is
> still the same:  cruising enters closed loop mode normally, but at WOT I run
> lean. 
>
> So, I'm back to trying to track down the problem.  I figure the root problem
> is one of two things:  either the fuel pressure is not high enough, or the
> injectors are not being driven properly by the ECU for some reason.  Fuel
> pressure is easier to check, so that's what I'm attacking first.  My fuel
> pressure gauge line isn't long enough to reach out of the engine bay, so I
> can't read the fuel pressure while driving.  I'm also thinking about
> hotwiring the fuel pump (I have a Supra pump, though).  I'm running out of
> other possible sources for low fuel pressure though.  If the problem is the
> ECU not driving the injectors, I'm not sure what it could be, and I'm also
> not sure quite how I'd go about figuring it out.  Urrgh.  This is getting
> frustrating.
>
> I'm REALLY open to any suggestions, both as to how to attack the problem and
> what might be the source.
>
> Thanks to everyone who's made suggestions so far!
>
> - Brian

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:22 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

To me, it seems like you can do a few things at this point:

1)  Buy a fuel pressure gauge with an electronic sending
    unit so you can read it while driving
2)  Buy an IDC gauge
3)  Get your 450cc injectors checked out - they were
    bought used
4)  Spend the $50 or so to get the stealership to hook up
    the MUT-II tool and check your IDC readings under load
5)  Check your capacitors in your ECM
6)  Check all your wiring to your S-AFC and make sure nothing
    got knocked loose or is making a bad connection
7)  Disconnect your S-AFC and reinstall your 360cc injectors

@#$%#$% hybrid-OBD pieces of junk :-)  Oh, for a real datalogger...

Any other options at this point, short of replacing random things in hopes
of fixing the problem?

- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with @#$%@$#% hybrid OBD-II crap

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:22:13 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Hey guys - regarding injector spay patterns, I went to the net and got two
cans of that BG 44 stuff we were discussing a few weeks ago. My car's
performance has really improved. I assume some of that improvement may well
be the spray patterns. The stuff did not radically alter the way the car
runs, but I can definitely feel more power and the idle is definitely
smoother. IMHO it was worth the twenty bucks a can.

Andy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rachell" <damonr@mefas.com>
To: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Cc: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT


| Hey Brian,
| What about poor spray patterns from the injectors?  If you weren't
| atomizing fuel entirely, then you'd get incomplete burn, leaving excess
| air in the combustion chanber.  Try running Redline SI-1 through the
| system with a low tank of gas (max concentration).  Maybe it's just that
| your injectors need some good ol TLC.
|
| PS- i'll be getting rid of my stocker's soon, so if you want to buy an
| extra set, lemme know.
| Damon
|
|
| Geddes, Brian J wrote:
|
| > Well, it looks like I lied.  The fuel pressure regulator WASN'T the
source
| > of my lean problem, and I still don't know what is.  :(
| >
| > Last night on a whim, I decided to perform the fuel pump relay bypass
(the
| > one that switches low/high voltage).  After doing that, the fuel
pressure
| > acted normally.  I got 37 PSI at idle, 44 PSI at idle with the vacuum
line
| > unplugged, and the fuel pressure raised when I pumped pressure into the
FPR
| > vacuum line with a hand pump.  So, my FPR is fine.  I was hoping that
the
| > relay bypass would solve my leanness at WOT, but it didn't.  :(
Behavior is
| > still the same:  cruising enters closed loop mode normally, but at WOT I
run
| > lean.
| >
| > So, I'm back to trying to track down the problem.  I figure the root
problem
| > is one of two things:  either the fuel pressure is not high enough, or
the
| > injectors are not being driven properly by the ECU for some reason.
Fuel
| > pressure is easier to check, so that's what I'm attacking first.  My
fuel
| > pressure gauge line isn't long enough to reach out of the engine bay, so
I
| > can't read the fuel pressure while driving.  I'm also thinking about
| > hotwiring the fuel pump (I have a Supra pump, though).  I'm running out
of
| > other possible sources for low fuel pressure though.  If the problem is
the
| > ECU not driving the injectors, I'm not sure what it could be, and I'm
also
| > not sure quite how I'd go about figuring it out.  Urrgh.  This is
getting
| > frustrating.
| >
| > I'm REALLY open to any suggestions, both as to how to attack the problem
and
| > what might be the source.
| >
| > Thanks to everyone who's made suggestions so far!
| >
| > - Brian

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:33:30 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel Injector Cleaning

I recently bought a set of used DSM 450cc injectors from M&S.  I decided to
have them cleaned before I installed them in my car.  I went to the
Carburator Factory here in Sacramento to have them cleaned and I am very
glad that I did afterwards.  The injectors were flowing very poorly when the
technician flowed them.  He estimated that it was less than 300 cc on some
of the injectors.  He then sonically cleaned them and back flowed them to
wash all the now loose gunk out of the fuel filter.  Yes, there is a fuel
filter inside each injector.  He explained to me that the only way to clean
the fuel filter inside the injector was to reverse the flow.  I saw the
cleaning tank after he was done and was surprised at all the white gunk that
was inside my injectors.  The technician concluded the white gunk to be
water deposits.  These were 2nd generation DSM injectors.  Not that old.  He
then flowed them and replaced all the fitting on them.  They are now just
like brand new and all working at peak performance.

Some things I learned from this:
1.  The only way to guarantee that your injectors are going to be fully
cleaned and flow like new is to remove them from your car and have them
reverse flow cleaned.
2.  He recommended having injectors cleaned or replaced every 100k miles.
3.  Always have used injectors cleaned.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, K&N Filter, DN Downpipe, Custom 3" cat back, high flow
cat,Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors, 3SX SS braided
brake lines and gutted pre-cats.

Soon to come in next 2 weeks:
Apexi SAFC,Very Clean DSM 450 cc injectors, Direct Hits ignition system.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:44:55 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel Injector Cleaning

> What was the price for this cleaning and how long did it take?
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4

The price was $25 per injector.  $150 total.  They did the cleaning the next
day before 10 am.  They could have done it the same day but I arrived at
their shop late in the day.

Here is their web site if anyone is interested:
http://www.carburetorfactory.com

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, K&N Filter, DN Downpipe, Custom 3" cat back, high flow
cat,Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors, 3SX SS braided
brake lines and gutted pre-cats.

Soon to come in next 2 weeks:
Apexi SAFC,Very Clean DSM 450 cc injectors, Direct Hits ignition system.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:17:37 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
>I got 37 PSI at idle, 44 PSI at idle with the vacuum line
>unplugged, and the fuel pressure raised when I pumped pressure into the
FPR
>vacuum line with a hand pump. So, my FPR is fine.

Try to connect your boost gauge with a T to the pump to monitor the "boost"
pressure while you are pumping up your FPR. Your fuel pressure has to be 44
psi plus the boost. This way you will be 100% sure that you are getting the
right fuel pressure.

See if you have the S-AFC sees the throttle position signal. Check it on
the S-AFC display.

Bypass the S-AFC. See if the car runs witout it (at idle, at half-load, and
at WOT). If it does, sell it, you do not need it! ;-)

Borrow a MAS from someone. It only takes a couple of minutes to swap the
MAS with the filter (or the filter box) attached.

Read the STIM on the Team3S website. It says what other inputs the ECU is
looking at to determine the IDC.

Philip

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:37:30 -0600
From: "Kyle Call" <redcelicagt@cableone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Wiper Motor

Hey all,
I seem to have a bit of a problem. I have a 93 SL, and my wiper motor passed
away recently. I checked the fuse. I also checked the wire. I'm going to
replace it myself. In the spirit of home repair, I started removing things.
I assumed that the motor is underneath the the plate that holds up the
battery? (I'm not so sure about it)...Anyway, the bolts that hold the plate
are rusted to the plate itself. There seems to be no getting them off,
because I broke every socket I had on them. I used WD-40 -- no luck.
   I guess my question would be, IF the motor is under the battery plate,
how would i get it off? If it isn't under the plate, having rusted stuff
bugs me, so I want to get the rusted bolts off anyway. :-)

Thanks in advance,
Kyle Call

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:23:11 -0700
From: Jim Elferdink <macintosh@sunra.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 60k tools

The end-yoke holder is required, not so much for removing the harmonic
balancer bolt--you can do that easily with an impact--but for torquing it
with a torque wrench when you put it back on. If you don't have an impact,
then you'll certainly want it for removal as well.

Don't buy the tools from Mitsu, Youšre better off buying them from Miller
Special Tools (1-800-801-5420, www.spxmiller.com). There prices and
availability are much better than Mitsubishišs. The Tensioner, MD998767 is
$16.80 and the end yoke holder ‹ which really works ‹  (they call it a
spanner wrench), 6958 is $24.09. These prices are from about a year ago.

- -------------------------------------------
Jim Elferdink

95 VR4

> From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:53:35 -0500
> To: "'Team3S'" <team3s@team3s.com>
> Subject: Team3S: 60k tools
>
> Hey all,
>
> I'm getting ready to do the 60k on my vr4. When I was buying the
> special tools from mitsu, they told me that I don't really need the end
> yoke holder and that their techs don't use it. I didn't want to spend
> $50 on a tool that I won't need, but we all know how accurate and
> knowledgeable satan's cronies are... so could anyone confirm or deny
> that? Do I need to run out and get it, or am I fine w/o it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex.
>
> '95 VR4

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:54:42 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wiper Motor

Hate to break it to ya, but the wiper motor is in plain view when you
open the hood... 3 bolts hold it on...  Right in the passenger side rear
corner of the engine bay, behind the strut tower...

It's a black cylindrical looking thing bolted to the firewall...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Kyle Call
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:38 PM
To: Team3s
Subject: Team3S: Wiper Motor

Hey all,
I seem to have a bit of a problem. I have a 93 SL, and my wiper motor
passed
away recently. I checked the fuse. I also checked the wire. I'm going to
replace it myself. In the spirit of home repair, I started removing
things.
I assumed that the motor is underneath the the plate that holds up the
battery? (I'm not so sure about it)...Anyway, the bolts that hold the
plate
are rusted to the plate itself. There seems to be no getting them off,
because I broke every socket I had on them. I used WD-40 -- no luck.
   I guess my question would be, IF the motor is under the battery
plate,
how would i get it off? If it isn't under the plate, having rusted stuff
bugs me, so I want to get the rusted bolts off anyway. :-)

Thanks in advance,
Kyle Call

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:56:17 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Font Exhaust Manifold Removal

I doing some work on my car tonight when I noticed that my front exhaust
manifold was cracked.  I removed all the IC piping, the alternator and the
driver's side fan.  I managed to remove all the manifold bolts that bolt to
the engine and the front turbo.  The manifold is loose now but I can't get
it out.

Do I have to remove the font turbo to get it out or is there another way?


Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
Apexi AVC-R, K&N Filter, DN Downpipe, Custom 3" cat back, high flow
cat,Walboro 341 fuel pump, Stillen cross drilled rotors, 3SX SS braided
brake lines and gutted pre-cats.

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:15:19 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Not to be an ass Brad....  but if this is your first "major mod" you really
picked a fawker ;)
 
Ok now to be helpful, you want to T into the feed hose for the BOV and run
one end to the pressure sensor on the AVCR (looks like a 1/2 moon with a
metal nipple sticking off.
 
Do you want the ability to run stock boost by turning off the AVCR?  Reason
I ask there are 2 ways to install the bish and they are slightly different
from each other depending on what you are trying to accomplish.........
 
Oh yeah if you have not upgraded the fuel system and are not running WAI
(Water/Alkie Injection) DO NOT run over 13.5-14 psi or will break something.
 
Also worth noting if you plan on drag racing or racing the car period
replace your engine mounts, from my experiance they shit the bed after about
30-40 passes.  Especially if you are pullin 1.80 or lower 60ft times

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bradford J. Gay [mailto:bradfordjgay@charter.net]
Sent: Wed 6/12/2002 5:40 AM
To: 3SRacers; Team3S
Cc:
Subject: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

HELP!

My friend and I are haplessly trying to install the AVC-R and it really
isn't working.  We thought we had it figured out per the instructions,
but then it clicked that the car has two wastegates and two of just
about everything else the manual tells us to hook it up to.  Can anyone
please tell me how to install it step-by-step?  Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.

- -Brad
 97 VR-4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:39:56 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

One range colder coppers and I get hesitations. I may change back to
platiums one range colder soon.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

> Are you one range colder or two?  I've driven mine with one range colder
in
> 30 degree F temps with no problems (if the weather is colder than that, I
> drive my pickup truck).  I'm surprised that ambient temps would affect the
> plugs that much.  The colder it gets, the stronger the acceleration I get.
> :-)
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:13:28 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

> A side effect is that I have to change the plugs when the weather is
getting
> colder in autumn. Bad accelleration and not so great idle when the engine
is
> cold. It is ok after 10 minutes of driving, depending on the outside
> temperature.

Are you one range colder or two?  I've driven mine with one range colder in
30 degree F temps with no problems (if the weather is colder than that, I
drive my pickup truck).  I'm surprised that ambient temps would affect the
plugs that much.  The colder it gets, the stronger the acceleration I get.
:-)

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:53:42 +0000
From: "Marc Gauthier" <gogauthier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

I have no problem with mine, I'm up in Ottawa Canada and driving mine all
year!


>From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
>To: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>, <team3s@team3s.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder
>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:13:28 -0500
>
> > A side effect is that I have to change the plugs when the weather is
>getting
> > colder in autumn. Bad accelleration and not so great idle when the
>engine
>is
> > cold. It is ok after 10 minutes of driving, depending on the outside
> > temperature.
>
>Are you one range colder or two?  I've driven mine with one range colder in
>30 degree F temps with no problems (if the weather is colder than that, I
>drive my pickup truck).  I'm surprised that ambient temps would affect the
>plugs that much.  The colder it gets, the stronger the acceleration I get.
>:-)
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:19:15 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Weight question

In every review of our cars, whether it be turbo or N/A, they state that our
cars are heavy and overweight. I am curious where this weight comes from.
Under the car the other day i noticed the gas tank is metal. but where else
could the extra poundage be hiding?

thanx

- -mike
97 SL

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:07:03 +0000
From: "Marc Gauthier" <gogauthier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??

I’ll be rebuilding my engine pretty soon and I’m not rich! (so I’m not going
with forge pistons)
Let me know if I forget something!

Boring out the block
Polishing the crankshaft
Connecting Rod (I’ll most likely get them shot-peen)
Complete gasket kit with bearings (clevite 77), pistons (heat coated) and
rings (total seal)
New lifters
New oil pump
Port and polish the heads
Port and polish the exhaust manifold
3 angel job on the valves

The pre-cats are gutted as it’s!
Will inspect the 9b’s, but they were rebuild 2 years ago!

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:31 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

what physically changes to the plugs to make them "hotter" or "colder"?
  Also, what are the benefits of a hotter or colder plug?  Why not
always use a colder one if it's less prone to knock?
Damon


pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> I think BCPR7ES-11 are the "copper" ones.
>
> A guy at Sparkplugs.com told me that the colder platinum plugs (a cheaper
> platinum) are BKR7EZX-11.
>
> Philip
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
> colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
> (Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access right
> now)
>
> Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK makes
> more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?
>
> Philip

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:51:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3SX Introduces Adjustable (camber) Upper Rear Control Arms

Ohh..but cool product!  *forgot to say that*

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Steve Burrows wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> We have just introduced adjustable control arms for the twin turbos.  These
> are the upper rear ones and allow you to get your car's camber back into
> spec regardless of the suspension upgrades you have done (Eibach, Intrax,
> Ground Control, Tein, etc).  No longer do you have to settle for being a
> degree or even 2 out (negative camber), you can get the camber straight to
> prevent uneven, unnecessary (and thus expensive! ;-)  tire wear.  Another
> advantage gained from the adjustability is you can have "factory" 0 camber
> setting for around town, then make a quick twist to draw in the top of the
> wheel to set some negative camber when you head to the road course or
> autocross.  Just mark your settings for street and track.  We have pictures
> and they are available on our site at
> http://www.3SXPerformance.com/suspension.asp .
> Thanks,
> Steve and EricB
>
> BTW, We will be releasing these for the NA's very soon.
> BTW2, We recently released full/stock sized aluminum crank pulleys that
> weight 1.6 pounds, about 1/3 the weight of the stock crank pulley.  These
> are available now and are this month's special.  Check them out :-)
>
> 3SX Performance Automotive
> http://www.3SXPerformance.com
> Tel: 704-563-7249

- ---
Geoff Mohler
Lots of cars..and race them all.  Dont you?

Got Brakes?   I've got savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at http://www.speedtoys.com
- ---

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:45:43 +0000
From: "Marc Gauthier" <gogauthier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question

Have you notice, that our car a pretty quiet, that the insulation!
I’ll go with the 92TT, I have one:

AWD, that lost of extra stuff in the back (transfer case, drive shafts,
differentials, axels, CV joints, brackets, …)
AWS, even more stuff in the back (power steering pump in the back, hoses,
brackets, …)
ESC, heavier struts
Power antenna (electric motor)
Dual mode exhaust (electric motor), a valve in the muffler and in stainless
steel
2 turbo
2 intercoolers
electric seat (motors)
leather interior
power windows (motors)
power door lock
cruise control
ABS
Air bag
Sun roof for some of us
big wheels
a body that made to handle 300HP
big gas tank
pop up head light for the first gen
fog lights
body molding
and more

quality = extra weight

>From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
>To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Team3S: Weight question
>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:19:15 EDT
>
>In every review of our cars, whether it be turbo or N/A, they state that
>our
>cars are heavy and overweight. I am curious where this weight comes from.
>Under the car the other day i noticed the gas tank is metal. but where else
>could the extra poundage be hiding?
>
>thanx
>
>-mike
>97 SL

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:30:34 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??

If you are not rich then you cannot afford NOT to get forged pistons. The
Wiseco forged piston kit R18301557 cost ~$660 (pistons, pins, rings), about
what you would pay for factory stock pistons. Any efficiency improvements you
might see from the port and polish work, 3-angle valve grind, and piston heat
coating are trivial compared to the security you get running forged pistons
(in my opinion). If you have to make a choice, consider taking the $$$ you
save from not performing the above work and get the forged pistons.

Piston upgrade guide:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-pistonguide.htm

Head info (factory heads already flow superbly!):
http://www.stealth316.com/2-headinfo.htm

If you are re-using the rods, be sure to get them magnafluxed to check for
defects. ARP (basically the best!) makes rod bolts for our engines.

Total Seal rings are over-rated in my opinion.

Consider using the 0.25 or 0.50-mm over-sized valve guides that Mitsu sells
(see my head info web page).

Polishing the crank? Rather than re-use your 1st gen crank (have it
magnafluxed if you are), consider replacing it with the stronger 2nd gen crank
(maybe $500 at the discount dealers?).

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Gauthier" <gogauthier@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:07 AM
Subject: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??

I’ll be rebuilding my engine pretty soon and I’m not rich! (so I’m not going
with forge pistons)
Let me know if I forget something!

Boring out the block
Polishing the crankshaft
Connecting Rod (I’ll most likely get them shot-peen)
Complete gasket kit with bearings (clevite 77), pistons (heat coated) and
rings (total seal)
New lifters
New oil pump
Port and polish the heads
Port and polish the exhaust manifold
3 angel job on the valves

The pre-cats are gutted as it’s!
Will inspect the 9b’s, but they were rebuild 2 years ago!

Thanks

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:02:44 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: Multi angle valve cuts

I see three and even five angle cut valve jobs.
What are the advantages / disadvantages to these multi cut options ?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Marc Gauthier [mailto:gogauthier@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:07 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??


I'll be rebuilding my engine pretty soon and I'm not rich! (so I'm not going

with forge pistons)
Let me know if I forget something!

Boring out the block
Polishing the crankshaft
Connecting Rod (I'll most likely get them shot-peen)
Complete gasket kit with bearings (clevite 77), pistons (heat coated) and
rings (total seal)
New lifters
New oil pump
Port and polish the heads
Port and polish the exhaust manifold
3 angel job on the valves

The pre-cats are gutted as it's!
Will inspect the 9b's, but they were rebuild 2 years ago!

Thanks

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:06:22 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Weight question

Isn't there also some kind of built in roll bar type reinforcement
in the roof ?
That's gotta add weight.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Marc Gauthier [mailto:gogauthier@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:46 AM
To: M3000GTSL84@aol.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question


Have you notice, that our car a pretty quiet, that the insulation!
I'll go with the 92TT, I have one:

AWD, that lost of extra stuff in the back (transfer case, drive shafts,
differentials, axels, CV joints, brackets, ...)
AWS, even more stuff in the back (power steering pump in the back, hoses,
brackets, ...)
ESC, heavier struts
Power antenna (electric motor)
Dual mode exhaust (electric motor), a valve in the muffler and in stainless
steel
2 turbo
2 intercoolers
electric seat (motors)
leather interior
power windows (motors)
power door lock
cruise control
ABS
Air bag
Sun roof for some of us
big wheels
a body that made to handle 300HP
big gas tank
pop up head light for the first gen
fog lights
body molding
and more

quality = extra weight


>From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
>To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Team3S: Weight question
>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:19:15 EDT
>
>In every review of our cars, whether it be turbo or N/A, they state that
>our
>cars are heavy and overweight. I am curious where this weight comes from.
>Under the car the other day i noticed the gas tank is metal. but where else
>could the extra poundage be hiding?
>
>thanx
>
>-mike
>97 SL

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:11:05 +0000
From: "Marc Gauthier" <gogauthier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??

Thank-you Jeff,
This is y I sent this post, as I didn’t know that Wiseco prices was the same
price as stock piston!
The port and polish I’ll do my self!

Marc


>From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
>To: "" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:30:34 -0000
>
>If you are not rich then you cannot afford NOT to get forged pistons. The
>Wiseco forged piston kit R18301557 cost ~$660 (pistons, pins, rings), about
>what you would pay for factory stock pistons. Any efficiency improvements
>you
>might see from the port and polish work, 3-angle valve grind, and piston
>heat
>coating are trivial compared to the security you get running forged pistons
>(in my opinion). If you have to make a choice, consider taking the $$$ you
>save from not performing the above work and get the forged pistons.
>
>Piston upgrade guide:
>http://www.stealth316.com/2-pistonguide.htm
>
>Head info (factory heads already flow superbly!):
>http://www.stealth316.com/2-headinfo.htm
>
>If you are re-using the rods, be sure to get them magnafluxed to check for
>defects. ARP (basically the best!) makes rod bolts for our engines.
>
>Total Seal rings are over-rated in my opinion.
>
>Consider using the 0.25 or 0.50-mm over-sized valve guides that Mitsu sells
>(see my head info web page).
>
>Polishing the crank? Rather than re-use your 1st gen crank (have it
>magnafluxed if you are), consider replacing it with the stronger 2nd gen
>crank
>(maybe $500 at the discount dealers?).
>
>Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marc Gauthier" <gogauthier@hotmail.com>
>To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:07 AM
>Subject: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??
>
>I’ll be rebuilding my engine pretty soon and I’m not rich! (so I’m not
>going
>with forge pistons)
>Let me know if I forget something!
>
>Boring out the block
>Polishing the crankshaft
>Connecting Rod (I’ll most likely get them shot-peen)
>Complete gasket kit with bearings (clevite 77), pistons (heat coated) and
>rings (total seal)
>New lifters
>New oil pump
>Port and polish the heads
>Port and polish the exhaust manifold
>3 angel job on the valves
>
>The pre-cats are gutted as it’s!
>Will inspect the 9b’s, but they were rebuild 2 years ago!
>
>Thanks

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:19:03 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: Team3S: Repeats of messages from earlier + Brake Upgrade ?

Ok has anyone else gotten repeats of messages that were sent out earlier in
the week?  I had about 8-10 messages from like mon-tues that I rec'd again
yesterday afternoon/evening.........

If not just ignore my random babbling

Now tech question to anyone that has switched to 2G front brakes from a 1G
do the SS lines work from a 1G to a 2G? 


Russ F
CT

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:41:44 -0400
From: "Jerry B." <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question

I can answer alot of this question. first off the drivers seat, ( if you
ahve full mechanical seats) weights 70-80 pounds, cannot remember the exact.
if you own a all wheel drive you have 2 times the axels, transfer case, all
wheel steering,, if you have it adds a second so called rack in the rear.
talking to a few friends that work at dodge said that there are like 4
layers of sound proofing and padding and carpet on the floor, Do not know
what the exact weight is but he said approx.. 150 + of it so there are a few
things you can think about,, then go take a look at yoru car and really
think of all the small things that you wouldn't think of seeing.....

Jerry  93 Stealth RT/TT & 92 Stealth E/S
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
Cc: <    >
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question


> All the metal parts is my guess.
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 M3000GTSL84@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In every review of our cars, whether it be turbo or N/A, they state that
our
> > cars are heavy and overweight. I am curious where this weight comes
from.
> > Under the car the other day i noticed the gas tank is metal. but where
else
> > could the extra poundage be hiding?
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > -mike
> > 97 SL
> >
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> >
>
> ---
> Geoff Mohler
> Lots of cars..and race them all.  Dont you?
>
> Got Brakes?   I've got savings!
> Porterfield parts catalog online now at http://www.speedtoys.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:37:18 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@mvplabels.com>
Subject: Admin Note:   Re: Team3S: Repeats of messages...........

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
> Ok has anyone else gotten repeats of messages that were sent out earlier
in the week?  I had about 8-10 messages from like mon-tues that I rec'd
again yesterday afternoon/evening.........
- --------tech content snipped----------->


Yes, message repeats are one of the new "features" that Geoff has added to
the list!  :-)  Kidding aside, we're getting repeats, we have a number of
members who are not receiving posts at all, I'm drowning in bounced
messages, and Geoff is trying to find the time to fix the list, or sleep,
whichever comes first.  Stay tuned, be patient, and keep discussions about
list problems private to the Admins, please...

And thanks, Russ, for adding your "tech" content to keep your post "legal".
:-)

Forrest
for the Admins...

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:47:37 -0400
From: "Joshua G. Prince" <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Hey I just got my Apexi Avc-R to replace my HKS EVC IV and I wanted to
see if ANYONE has ENGLISH instructions?!!?!?!  My Japanese is slightly
out of date...like 3 past life times ago :-).  I was trying to
determined the hook up from the pictures since the unit is slightly
different then the HKS.  There are two separate pieces which are to
connect in the engine compartment.  I am not sure what exactly to call
them since the on unit has 2 valves and the other one looks to be a
single valve.  From the pictures, it looks like the one with only one
nipple fitting (The piece is round with the nipple in the center and a
flat mount on the bottom) is supposed to hook inline with the BOV.  Is
this correct?  Again, I am going only on pictures and they are less then
desirable.  The Other piece has 2 nipples coming out of it, and one hole
that is threaded for a nipple but no nipple in it, they are listed Com,
No, and Nc.  I am sorry to bother you guys but if anyone can tell me
which is supposed to be hooked in line with the wastegate, Y pipe..etc I
would really appreciate it and then the fun will come setting it up
without directions :-(.  Why can't these manufacturers put in English
directions?  I mean in Montreal Canada if the directions don't come in
French, they won't allow it to be sold!  Thanks for everyone's help.
 
Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:49:08 -0500
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Joshua,

Just go to apex-i.com and download the pdf instructions from there.  You can
also get the wiring instructions there.

Good luck,

Francis
'96 RT/TT

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joshua G. Prince [mailto:joshua@unconundrum.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 AM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Hey I just got my Apexi Avc-R to replace my HKS EVC IV and I wanted to
see if ANYONE has ENGLISH instructions?!!?!?!  My Japanese is slightly
out of date...like 3 past life times ago :-).  I was trying to
determined the hook up from the pictures since the unit is slightly
different then the HKS.  There are two separate pieces which are to
connect in the engine compartment.  I am not sure what exactly to call
them since the on unit has 2 valves and the other one looks to be a
single valve.  From the pictures, it looks like the one with only one
nipple fitting (The piece is round with the nipple in the center and a
flat mount on the bottom) is supposed to hook inline with the BOV.  Is
this correct?  Again, I am going only on pictures and they are less then
desirable.  The Other piece has 2 nipples coming out of it, and one hole
that is threaded for a nipple but no nipple in it, they are listed Com,
No, and Nc.  I am sorry to bother you guys but if anyone can tell me
which is supposed to be hooked in line with the wastegate, Y pipe..etc I
would really appreciate it and then the fun will come setting it up
without directions :-(.  Why can't these manufacturers put in English
directions?  I mean in Montreal Canada if the directions don't come in
French, they won't allow it to be sold!  Thanks for everyone's help.

Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:57:52 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Multi angle valve cuts

Advantages:
*Theoretically*, the multiangle valve-seat cuts improve (i.e., increase in
this case) intake charge flow when the valve just lifts off the seat.

Disadvantages:
I am not aware there are any if the process is performed correctly. It isn't
even that expensive.

Practicality:
The few bench flow tests reported for our heads show they already flow much
more air than can be used at 7000 RPM and 100% volumetric efficiency
(remember, only density changes with boost, the volume flowing through the
head does not). And that is at the factory gross valve lift of about 0.350"
(depends on model). Look on my web page below for results of two bench flow
tests and more details on the heads.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-headinfo.htm

Are our heads perfect? Of course not. But for all practical purposes for
nearly all *street* engines, nothing at all needs to be done to our heads
concerning flow - not flow work, not larger valves, not higher-lift or
different-grind cams, not even port matching.

*However*, bench flow tests do not reveal how heads flow under the dynamic of
valve operation. But there is a tool that does tell us this. It is the torque
curve generated by dyno measurements. Assuming the boost is held constant, the
torque curve mimics the volumetric efficiency of the engine, and the VE is
related to the flow through the heads (as well as the rest of the intake and
exhaust system). Our torque/VE falls off rapidly at higher RPM, usually above
5000 or 6000 RPM depending on the engine. Depending on your intended use for
the engine, this is the region where improvements can be made in the heads -
the flow work, the valve seat cut, cams, etc. Unfortunately, this is a trial
and error type of development, unless very expensive computer modeling is
employed. Also, it is unusual to have improvements across the entire range of
RPM. Often, increases in high-RPM torque are paid for by decreases in low-RPM
torque, and vice versa.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:02 AM
Subject: Team3S: Multi angle valve cuts

I see three and even five angle cut valve jobs.
What are the advantages / disadvantages to these multi cut options ?

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:22:21 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Fwd: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

>The correct address is : www.apexi-usa.com
>
>
>>Just go to apex-i.com and download the pdf instructions from there.  You can
>>also get the wiring instructions there.
>
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
>www.rtec.ch

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:22:45 -0400
From: "Joshua G. Prince" <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: ECu Splicing/AVCR WAS: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Just curious before I go splicing wires, is it really worth it to
connect to the rpm, injectors, speed...etc?  I know it has a auto learn
but so did the HKS and that was horrible.  I was just curious if anyone
has had the automatic setup work really well for them or if it is better
to input all the settings manually?  Thanks again
 
Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Morice, Francis [mailto:francis.morice@retek.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:49 AM
To: Joshua G. Prince; team3s@team3s.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R
 
Joshua,

Just go to apex-i.com and download the pdf instructions from there.  You
can
also get the wiring instructions there.

Good luck,

Francis
'96 RT/TT

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joshua G. Prince [ mailto:joshua@unconundrum.com
<mailto:joshua@unconundrum.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 AM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Hey I just got my Apexi Avc-R to replace my HKS EVC IV and I wanted to
see if ANYONE has ENGLISH instructions?!!?!?!  My Japanese is slightly
out of date...like 3 past life times ago :-).  I was trying to
determined the hook up from the pictures since the unit is slightly
different then the HKS.  There are two separate pieces which are to
connect in the engine compartment.  I am not sure what exactly to call
them since the on unit has 2 valves and the other one looks to be a
single valve.  From the pictures, it looks like the one with only one
nipple fitting (The piece is round with the nipple in the center and a
flat mount on the bottom) is supposed to hook inline with the BOV.  Is
this correct?  Again, I am going only on pictures and they are less then
desirable.  The Other piece has 2 nipples coming out of it, and one hole
that is threaded for a nipple but no nipple in it, they are listed Com,
No, and Nc.  I am sorry to bother you guys but if anyone can tell me
which is supposed to be hooked in line with the wastegate, Y pipe..etc I
would really appreciate it and then the fun will come setting it up
without directions :-(.  Why can't these manufacturers put in English
directions?  I mean in Montreal Canada if the directions don't come in
French, they won't allow it to be sold!  Thanks for everyone's help.

Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:20:50 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

I think BCPR7ES-11 are the "copper" ones.

A guy at Sparkplugs.com told me that the colder platinum plugs (a cheaper
platinum) are BKR7EZX-11.

Philip

- ------------------------------------------------------------

Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
(Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access right
now)

Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK makes
more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?

Philip

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:43:48 -0500
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

Yes, those are the copper ones; I just bought a set of 6 from them.  They
came pre-gapped at .034.

Francis
'96 RT/TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 2:21 PM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder


>>I think BCPR7ES-11 are the "copper" ones.

>>A guy at Sparkplugs.com told me that the colder platinum plugs (a cheaper
>>platinum) are BKR7EZX-11.

>>Philip

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:57:54 -0600
From: "Kyle Call" <redcelicagt@cableone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Wiper Motor

I'm sorry, I meant the motor for the wiper fluid pump. It was kind of late
when I wrote that message :)
Maybe that will clear things up a bit...
Kyle Call

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:09:34 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

I thought about this, but it seems very unlikely.  I installed used DSM 450s
2-3 months ago, and they ran flawlessly until my lean problems started a
week or two ago.  I'm seeing almost equal O2 levels on both banks.  That
could be caused by poor spray from the injectors, but the chances of an
equal number injectors clogging an equal amount on both banks at the same
time are astronomically low.  I'll probably run injector cleaner anyways
though, since I've been meaning to do that.

Thanks,
- - Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damon Rachell [mailto:damonr@mefas.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:12 PM
> To: Geddes, Brian J
> Cc: team3s@team3s.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT
>
>
> Hey Brian,
> What about poor spray patterns from the injectors?  If you weren't
> atomizing fuel entirely, then you'd get incomplete burn,
> leaving excess
> air in the combustion chanber.  Try running Redline SI-1 through the
> system with a low tank of gas (max concentration).  Maybe
> it's just that
> your injectors need some good ol TLC.
>
> PS- i'll be getting rid of my stocker's soon, so if you want
> to buy an
> extra set, lemme know.
> Damon
>
>
> Geddes, Brian J wrote:
>
> > Well, it looks like I lied.  The fuel pressure regulator
> WASN'T the source
> > of my lean problem, and I still don't know what is.  :(
> >
> > Last night on a whim, I decided to perform the fuel pump
> relay bypass (the
> > one that switches low/high voltage).  After doing that, the
> fuel pressure
> > acted normally.  I got 37 PSI at idle, 44 PSI at idle with
> the vacuum line
> > unplugged, and the fuel pressure raised when I pumped
> pressure into the FPR
> > vacuum line with a hand pump.  So, my FPR is fine.  I was
> hoping that the
> > relay bypass would solve my leanness at WOT, but it didn't.
>  :(  Behavior is
> > still the same:  cruising enters closed loop mode normally,
> but at WOT I run
> > lean. 
> >
> > So, I'm back to trying to track down the problem.  I figure
> the root problem
> > is one of two things:  either the fuel pressure is not high
> enough, or the
> > injectors are not being driven properly by the ECU for some
> reason.  Fuel
> > pressure is easier to check, so that's what I'm attacking
> first.  My fuel
> > pressure gauge line isn't long enough to reach out of the
> engine bay, so I
> > can't read the fuel pressure while driving.  I'm also thinking about
> > hotwiring the fuel pump (I have a Supra pump, though).  I'm
> running out of
> > other possible sources for low fuel pressure though.  If
> the problem is the
> > ECU not driving the injectors, I'm not sure what it could
> be, and I'm also
> > not sure quite how I'd go about figuring it out.  Urrgh. 
> This is getting
> > frustrating.
> >
> > I'm REALLY open to any suggestions, both as to how to
> attack the problem and
> > what might be the source.
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who's made suggestions so far!
> >
> > - Brian

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:11:18 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

>  the chances of an
> equal number injectors clogging an equal amount on both banks at the same
> time are astronomically low. 
[Willis, Charles E.]  Unless you got a hold of a bad tank of gas.
Sometimes water in gas gets past the fuel filter.

> I'll probably run injector cleaner anyways
> though, since I've been meaning to do that.
[Willis, Charles E.]  couldn't hurt!

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:16:33 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: rebuilding my TT engine??

> The port and polish I’ll do my self!

Good luck trying to do it right without a flow bench.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:21:01 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

Phillp -

Thanks for the suggestions.  See comments below:

> From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
> >I got 37 PSI at idle, 44 PSI at idle with the vacuum line
> >unplugged, and the fuel pressure raised when I pumped
> pressure into the
> FPR
> >vacuum line with a hand pump. So, my FPR is fine.
>
> Try to connect your boost gauge with a T to the pump to
> monitor the "boost"
> pressure while you are pumping up your FPR. Your fuel
> pressure has to be 44
> psi plus the boost. This way you will be 100% sure that you
> are getting the
> right fuel pressure.

This is exactly what I did.  It maintained the 1:1 ratio that it should.
What I really need to do is check my fuel pressure when I'm out driving,
rather than just when I'm sitting in my driveway.  I'm going to go to
Schucks today and pick up some fuel line and barbed fittings so that the
fuel pressure gauge can reach out of the engine compartment.

>
> See if you have the S-AFC sees the throttle position signal.
> Check it on
> the S-AFC display.

Throttle position sensor works fine. 

>
> Bypass the S-AFC. See if the car runs witout it (at idle, at
> half-load, and
> at WOT). If it does, sell it, you do not need it! ;-)

I think I'll give this a try, since it's pretty easy to remove the lines
that alter the airflow signal.

>
> Borrow a MAS from someone. It only takes a couple of minutes
> to swap the
> MAS with the filter (or the filter box) attached.

I know a certain someone who has a wrecked '95 Black VR-4 that hasn't been
sent to it's new owner yet...I think I'll sneak over and try swapping the
MAS tonight after he's asleep.  :)

>
> Read the STIM on the Team3S website. It says what other
> inputs the ECU is
> looking at to determine the IDC.

What does STIM stand for? 

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:34:56 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

> > Borrow a MAS from someone. It only takes a couple of
> > minutes to swap the MAS with the filter (or the filter
> > box) attached.
>
> I know a certain someone who has a wrecked '95 Black VR-4
> that hasn't been sent to it's new owner yet...I think I'll
> sneak over and try swapping the MAS tonight after he's
> asleep.  :)

Then I'd have to kick your...  No cannibalizing Steve's (oops, did I say
that?) car while I'm asleep.    ...but if you give it back by 7AM tomorrow,
you can try the MAS from my non-wrecked VR-4 :-)


> What does STIM stand for? 

Stealth Technical Information Manual, IIRC.

- --Erik
'95 White Non-wrecked VR-4
'95 Black Wrecked VR-4 [SOLD]

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:39:31 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

>What does STIM stand for?

Stealth Technical Information Manual. Look on www.team3s.com, it should be
somewhere in the FAQ section, I think.

Philip

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:01:41 -0600
From: "Floyd, Jim" <Jim_Floyd@maxtor.com>
Subject: Team3S: Propane

For all you propane fans there is an article on page 144 of Car and
Driver July 2002 on a V-10 propane police car Ford is doing.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:02:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn amy <glenn_amy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Wiper Motor

- --- Kyle Call <redcelicagt@cableone.net> wrote:
> I'm sorry, I meant the motor for the wiper fluid
> pump

The wiper fluid motor is attached to the bottom wiper
fluid reservoir, under the battery tray.

I found a generic replacement at local parts house for
about $25.

Due to it's location, battery leakage runs down the
reservoir and onto the top of the fluid motor, then
down into the motor windings.

Might as well do the fuel filter while you are there.

Glenn
'93 VR-4 w/ new front wiper fluid pump.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:06:09 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

>> > Read the STIM on the Team3S website. It says what other
>> > inputs the ECU is looking at to determine the IDC.
>> What does STIM stand for? 

STIM stands for about 200 hrs of work on a scanner and computer. :)
http://www.stealth316.com/2-stim.htm

The STIM does not have all the anwers though. It refers to the SOHC 6G72 and
the 4G63 TIM for fuel injection specifics. You can look at my web page below
for a summary.
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelinjection.htm

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
To: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suddenly running leaner at WOT

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:07:34 -0400
From: "Joshua G. Prince" <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Ok my dyslexia is getting the best of me.  I am following the directions
for connecting it when the vehicle has a wastegate.  It wants me to
connect from the bottom of the wastegate and then from the top.  The
bottom would be the H connection above the plenum and above the
wastegate would be the nipple on the y-pipe correct?  I was looking at
the diagram on the hood and that looks to be right, but I may be getting
myself completely confused, it isn't a hard job with dyslexia :-).
 
Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Morice, Francis [mailto:francis.morice@retek.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:49 AM
To: Joshua G. Prince; team3s@team3s.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R
 
Joshua,

Just go to apex-i.com and download the pdf instructions from there.  You
can
also get the wiring instructions there.

Good luck,

Francis
'96 RT/TT

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joshua G. Prince [ mailto:joshua@unconundrum.com
<mailto:joshua@unconundrum.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 AM
To: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Hey I just got my Apexi Avc-R to replace my HKS EVC IV and I wanted to
see if ANYONE has ENGLISH instructions?!!?!?!  My Japanese is slightly
out of date...like 3 past life times ago :-).  I was trying to
determined the hook up from the pictures since the unit is slightly
different then the HKS.  There are two separate pieces which are to
connect in the engine compartment.  I am not sure what exactly to call
them since the on unit has 2 valves and the other one looks to be a
single valve.  From the pictures, it looks like the one with only one
nipple fitting (The piece is round with the nipple in the center and a
flat mount on the bottom) is supposed to hook inline with the BOV.  Is
this correct?  Again, I am going only on pictures and they are less then
desirable.  The Other piece has 2 nipples coming out of it, and one hole
that is threaded for a nipple but no nipple in it, they are listed Com,
No, and Nc.  I am sorry to bother you guys but if anyone can tell me
which is supposed to be hooked in line with the wastegate, Y pipe..etc I
would really appreciate it and then the fun will come setting it up
without directions :-(.  Why can't these manufacturers put in English
directions?  I mean in Montreal Canada if the directions don't come in
French, they won't allow it to be sold!  Thanks for everyone's help.

Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:24:56 +0300
From: "Erin Karsan" <erinkarsan@ttnet.net.tr>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Top speed

> I purchased my lovely car a few months ago. Last day I had a chance to
drive
> may car early in the morning and I was trying its top speed. It acelerated
> to 152 beautifuly but than it stopped revving and stayed there. Is it
> something normal, is it a speed limitter or is there anything wrong my
car?
>
> I was reaching to 160 mph with my old impreza turbo easily.
>
> I am going to turn the boost to 15 psi peek and 14 psi continuous.
> Do I need a modified exhaust (my cats are removed - free flow)?  I am
really
> confused because everybody is saying something different.
> Which is the best intake for our cars stillen or K&N FIPK?
> Which BOV you suggest, closed loop or the other one?
> Which is the best electronic boost controller for our cars. Blitz, HKS or
> AVC-R.
>
> When I drive my car for 15 minutes (my home is close to my job) my car
> smells gasoline and my fuel consumption is high. My best drive was 220
mile
> with a full tank. Is there anything that I may check or is it something
> normal.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Erin Karsan
> 94-VR4, cat removed.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:12:50 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

>Ok my dyslexia is getting the best of me.  I am following the directions
>for connecting it when the vehicle has a wastegate.  It wants me to
>connect from the bottom of the wastegate and then from the top.  The
>bottom would be the H connection above the plenum and above the
>wastegate would be the nipple on the y-pipe correct?  I was looking at
>the diagram on the hood and that looks to be right, but I may be getting
>myself completely confused, it isn't a hard job with dyslexia :-).

I have no idea what you are talking about. Look at the Roger's website.
The installation of the AVC-R is exactly the same as the installation of
the DSBC.

The little tube that comes out of the Y-pipe goes to the stock solenoid.
Disconnect the stock solenoid completely. Install the AVC-R solenoid
instead of it. Then the same tube goes into the H-connector. The
H-connector has to be closed on one end and made into an h-connector.
Close the other tube that you disconnected from it. Keep asking questions
because I think I am forgetting something.

>(The piece is round with the nipple in the center and a
>flat mount on the bottom) is supposed to hook inline with the BOV.  Is
>this correct?

Aaaa-ahh! That thingie with a nipple in the middle is called a boost
pressure sensor. You need to hook it up after the throttle body. There is
a nipple on the intake manifold that you could Tee into.

Again, I am going only on pictures and they are less then
desirable.  The Other piece has 2 nipples coming out of it, and one hole
that is threaded for a nipple but no nipple in it, they are listed Com,
No, and Nc.

That thingie with two nipples and a hole is called a boost pressure
control solenoid. Find the Mitsubishi installation picture in the AVC-R
manual. It says which of the nipples connect where. One of them has to be
left not connected to anything.

Philip

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:30:37 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

> The little tube that comes out of the Y-pipe goes
> to the stock solenoid.  Disconnect the stock solenoid
> completely. Install the AVC-R solenoid instead of it.
> Then the same tube goes into the H-connector. The
> H-connector has to be closed on one end and made
> into an h-connector.  Close the other tube that you
> disconnected from it. Keep asking questions because
> I think I am forgetting something.

No, this isn't quite right.  Set up stock, the line
from the Y-pipe goes into the H-connector, then splits
off three ways to the two wastegate actuators and the
stock boost solenoid.

The SAVC-R box with one nipple on it is the pressure
sensor - you can Tee into the line that goes to the
BOV - that's manifold pressure, exactly what you want
to read.

Remove the hose from the Y-pipe and connect it to
the "output" of the SAVC-R solenoid box.  Take a new
piece of vacuum hose and connect the nipple on the Y-
pipe to the "input" of the SAVC-R solenoid box.  Take
the two hoses off the stock boost control solenoid and
plug them with something (bolts, screws, whatever fits).

That should get you where you need to be...

Preferably, the hose that goes between the H-connector
and the stock boost solenoid could be removed from the
H-Connector and the nipple on the H-connector capped
off.  The shorter your hoses in the boost control
system the better.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:40:39 -0400
From: "Joshua G. Prince" <joshua@unconundrum.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Matt, that is perfect, I understand that.  The problem I have is on the
AVC-R solenoid box, there are a possibility of 3 connections, Com, No,
and Nc.  It says when setting up with wastegate to use the Com and Nc
port but the other setup says to use the Com and No ports, which are the
ports (Com and No) that the solenoid came with nipples in.  So I just
need to know whether I need to move the one nipple to the Nc port.  In
my last email I said about connecting to the bottom and top of the
wastegate, which is what the manual says when doing the wastegate setup.
I was assuming since our cars had wastegates that I was to follow the
wastegate instructions.  Thanks again for everyone's assistance, sorry
to be a bother. 
 
Joshua Prince
97 1/2 Fly Yellow Hummer Convertible
3SI#0136
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
Joshua@Unconundrum.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: mjannusch@attbi.com [mailto:mjannusch@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:31 PM
To: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Cc: Joshua G. Prince; team3s@team3s.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R
 
> The little tube that comes out of the Y-pipe goes
> to the stock solenoid.  Disconnect the stock solenoid
> completely. Install the AVC-R solenoid instead of it.
> Then the same tube goes into the H-connector. The
> H-connector has to be closed on one end and made
> into an h-connector.  Close the other tube that you
> disconnected from it. Keep asking questions because
> I think I am forgetting something.

No, this isn't quite right.  Set up stock, the line
from the Y-pipe goes into the H-connector, then splits
off three ways to the two wastegate actuators and the
stock boost solenoid.

The SAVC-R box with one nipple on it is the pressure
sensor - you can Tee into the line that goes to the
BOV - that's manifold pressure, exactly what you want
to read.

Remove the hose from the Y-pipe and connect it to
the "output" of the SAVC-R solenoid box.  Take a new
piece of vacuum hose and connect the nipple on the Y-
pipe to the "input" of the SAVC-R solenoid box.  Take
the two hoses off the stock boost control solenoid and
plug them with something (bolts, screws, whatever fits).

That should get you where you need to be...

Preferably, the hose that goes between the H-connector
and the stock boost solenoid could be removed from the
H-Connector and the nipple on the H-connector capped
off.  The shorter your hoses in the boost control
system the better.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:55:21 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Apex'i AVC-R

Find the MITSUBISHI installation picture in the AVC-R English manual. It
says which of the nipples connects where. I did not have to move those
nipples.

Philip

- -------------------------------------------------

The problem I have is on the
AVC-R solenoid box, there are a possibility of 3 connections, Com, No,
and Nc.  It says when setting up with wastegate to use the Com and Nc
port but the other setup says to use the Com and No ports, which are the
ports (Com and No) that the solenoid came with nipples in.  So I just
need to know whether I need to move the one nipple to the Nc port.

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