Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Tuesday, June 11 2002    Volume 01 : Number 866




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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:33:13 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

*Complete* spark plug info including online sources for the turbo models:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugtech.htm

Spark plug cross-ref info for turbo models:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugxref.htm

Currently, there are no PFR7J-11 plugs.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
To: <team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:00 PM
Subject: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

Hi Team,

I am looking for one heat range colder NGK plugs. I am interested in both
platinum and copper. I have wasted so much time trying to find them on the
web it is getting ridiculous.

The stock plugs are PFR6J-11 but nobody lists PFR7J-11. I am not even sure
this part number exists. And what is the part number of the "copper plugs"?
Thank you.

Philip

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:37:37 -0500
From: <jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com>
Subject: Team3S: Drive train question

I can't find anything on the search page about this so here goes.

The car is a 92 3000GT SL with 138,000 miles.

The left outer CV joint boot is split.  I have only had the car 6 weeks so
I am not sure how long it has been that way.  I don't think too long
because there is a considerable amount of grease still in the boot.  My
shop (not Satan) tells me that I should replace the entire half shaft
because the labor is the same for replacing the boot and replacing the
halfshaft ($300+) and the halfshaft is only $125.  It is not making any
noises or vibrations, I found the problem when I removed the brake rotor to
have it turned.

Should I replace the entire shaft because of the mileage?  Is the labor for
an outer boot really the same as for the entire half shaft?

Thanks one & all.

Jim W
92 3000GT SL

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:15:50 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
(Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access right
now)

Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK makes
more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?

Philip

*Complete* spark plug info including online sources for the turbo models:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugtech.htm

Spark plug cross-ref info for turbo models:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugxref.htm

Currently, there are no PFR7J-11 plugs.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:20:50 -0400
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

I think BCPR7ES-11 are the "copper" ones.

A guy at Sparkplugs.com told me that the colder platinum plugs (a cheaper
platinum) are BKR7EZX-11.

Philip

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Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
(Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access right
now)

Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK makes
more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?

Philip

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:31 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

what physically changes to the plugs to make them "hotter" or "colder"?
  Also, what are the benefits of a hotter or colder plug?  Why not
always use a colder one if it's less prone to knock?
Damon

pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> I think BCPR7ES-11 are the "copper" ones.
>
> A guy at Sparkplugs.com told me that the colder platinum plugs (a cheaper
> platinum) are BKR7EZX-11.
>
> Philip
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
> colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
> (Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access right
> now)
>
> Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK makes
> more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?
>
> Philip

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:37:39 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

The reason for a colder plug is to prevent knock as you already stated,
unfortunately too cold of a plug and they will foul out b/c they are unable
able to get up to their self cleaning temp.

That is why most heavily modded turbo street cars use a 7 sometimes an 8
heat range plug if they are driving alot on the street and only a little
time at the track.  My MKIV when at BPU used a 7 on the street but again
this was @ 16psi on 93-94 octane and 18 psi on 104 unleaded race gas at the
track.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damon Rachell [SMTP:damonr@mefas.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
> Cc: team3s@team3s.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder
>
> what physically changes to the plugs to make them "hotter" or "colder"?
>   Also, what are the benefits of a hotter or colder plug?  Why not
> always use a colder one if it's less prone to knock?
> Damon
>
>
> pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> > I think BCPR7ES-11 are the "copper" ones.
> >
> > A guy at Sparkplugs.com told me that the colder platinum plugs (a
> cheaper
> > platinum) are BKR7EZX-11.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
> > colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
> > (Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access
> right
> > now)
> >
> > Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK
> makes
> > more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?
> >
> > Philip

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:38:31 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

> what physically changes to the plugs to make them "hotter" or "colder"?
> Also, what are the benefits of a hotter or colder plug?  Why not
> always use a colder one if it's less prone to knock?

Mostly insulator length/depth changes the heat rating of the plug.  You
don't want to go to too cold of a plug because they will foul easier at low
loads.  I think one range colder is no problem on these cars, especially for
anyone that's turned up the boost.  For someone who likes to really beat on
their car two ranges colder would probably work fine too.  I'm currently
using one range colder with no side-effects.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:41:20 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

>> Is the one range colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11

I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

Quotes from my web pages where I describe the part number key:
"Heat range (6 is medium, 5 is hotter, 7 is colder)".
Those numbers apply to the NGK plugs.

For the Denso plugs:
"Heat range (20 is medium, 16 is hotter, 22 is colder)"

For the Bosch plugs:
"Heat range (7 and 6 are medium, 8 is hotter, 5 is colder)"

The stock heat range for the 3S turbo models is the number listed above
as "medium". The numbers above indicate the "direction" the number goes for
colder heat ranges. Note that AC, Bosch, and Champion use the opposite
direction "sense" than the NGK or Denso.

NGK "V-Power" plugs. The footnotes in the Xref table identifies the V-Power
plugs in the table. The only ones there are Jack T's favorites: R5672A-8. This
plug is a non-resistor plug that is two heat ranges colder than stock. I
believe the "V-Power" name comes from a cute little notch made in the end of
the ground electrode (not quite as deep as that found in the "splitfire"
plugs).

Also, I do not "recommend" any of the plugs in the table (but I do "un-
recommend" the multi-electrode Bosch plugs). The information is there to use
as you wish. I list all of my sources for the crossreference table at the end
of the web page below for those that want to check my research or construct a
similar table for the non-turbo models. Warning: there is conflicting
information between the various sources and "replacement" plugs are not a two-
way street (for example, resistor models are often listed as direct
replacements for non-resistor models).

http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugxref.htm

One factor that limits the variety of replacement plugsb available to us is
the socket size of the hex shell. Our plugs use a 16-mm (5/8") socket. Many
other plugs (like the ones used in my Mitsu pickup) use a 20.6 mm (13/16")
socket (but same threads at the bottom). My standard 13/16" spark plug socket
will not fit into the well in the valve cover. Maybe if there is some sort of
thin-walled socket available, we could use these larger-hex size plugs, which
include NGK resistor plugs colder than range 7 (now you know why Jack went to
non-resistor plugs)! Denso is the same way: "22" (same as NGK "7") is as cold
as it gets for resistor-type plugs.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com>
To: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>; <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

Jeff, I read your page. It was not very clear to me. Is the one range
colder plug that you recommend BCPR7ES-11?
(Sorry if I got some of the letters wrong, I do not have web access right
now)

Still have the question about the "copper plugs". It seems that NGK makes
more than model of those. It that the V-power plug?

Philip

*Complete* spark plug info including online sources for the turbo models:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugtech.htm

Spark plug cross-ref info for turbo models:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugxref.htm

Currently, there are no PFR7J-11 plugs.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:03:02 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

> their car two ranges colder would probably work fine too.  I'm currently
> using one range colder with no side-effects.

A side effect is that I have to change the plugs when the weather is getting
colder in autumn. Bad accelleration and not so great idle when the engine is
cold. It is ok after 10 minutes of driving, depending on the outside
temperature.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:13:28 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

> A side effect is that I have to change the plugs when the weather is
getting
> colder in autumn. Bad accelleration and not so great idle when the engine
is
> cold. It is ok after 10 minutes of driving, depending on the outside
> temperature.

Are you one range colder or two?  I've driven mine with one range colder in
30 degree F temps with no problems (if the weather is colder than that, I
drive my pickup truck).  I'm surprised that ambient temps would affect the
plugs that much.  The colder it gets, the stronger the acceleration I get.
:-)

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:24:56 +0300
From: "Erin Karsan" <erinkarsan@ttnet.net.tr>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Top speed

> I purchased my lovely car a few months ago. Last day I had a chance to
drive
> may car early in the morning and I was trying its top speed. It acelerated
> to 152 beautifuly but than it stopped revving and stayed there. Is it
> something normal, is it a speed limitter or is there anything wrong my
car?
>
> I was reaching to 160 mph with my old impreza turbo easily.
>
> I am going to turn the boost to 15 psi peek and 14 psi continuous.
> Do I need a modified exhaust (my cats are removed - free flow)?  I am
really
> confused because everybody is saying something different.
> Which is the best intake for our cars stillen or K&N FIPK?
> Which BOV you suggest, closed loop or the other one?
> Which is the best electronic boost controller for our cars. Blitz, HKS or
> AVC-R.
>
> When I drive my car for 15 minutes (my home is close to my job) my car
> smells gasoline and my fuel consumption is high. My best drive was 220
mile
> with a full tank. Is there anything that I may check or is it something
> normal.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Erin Karsan
> 94-VR4, cat removed.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:30:31 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Top speed

Erin try the FAQ pages at www.Team3s.com this has most of the answers you
are looking for. 

Also worth asking are you in Europe or in the land down under?  Reason I ask
is I know with some UK cars that have a speed governor on them.....  But
based on the speeds you are seeing I believe your car just doesn't have
enough HP to overcome its own wind drag.

The above problem is easy to fix just do the exhaust system mods and an
intake.  If you get really power hungry put larger injectors in along with
some sort of piggy back fuel controller and then turn up the boost.  Again
if you have questions check the FAQ pages mentioned above then check with
the list.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erin Karsan [SMTP:erinkarsan@ttnet.net.tr]
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Re: Top speed
>
> > I purchased my lovely car a few months ago. Last day I had a chance to
> drive
> > may car early in the morning and I was trying its top speed. It
> acelerated
> > to 152 beautifuly but than it stopped revving and stayed there. Is it
> > something normal, is it a speed limitter or is there anything wrong my
> car?
> >
> > I was reaching to 160 mph with my old impreza turbo easily.
> >
> > I am going to turn the boost to 15 psi peek and 14 psi continuous.
> > Do I need a modified exhaust (my cats are removed - free flow)?  I am
> really
> > confused because everybody is saying something different.
> > Which is the best intake for our cars stillen or K&N FIPK?
> > Which BOV you suggest, closed loop or the other one?
> > Which is the best electronic boost controller for our cars. Blitz, HKS
> or
> > AVC-R.
> >
> > When I drive my car for 15 minutes (my home is close to my job) my car
> > smells gasoline and my fuel consumption is high. My best drive was 220
> mile
> > with a full tank. Is there anything that I may check or is it something
> > normal.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Erin Karsan
> > 94-VR4, cat removed.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:42:08 -0400
From: Steve Burrows <3SX@BellSouth.net>
Subject: Team3S: 3SX Introduces Adjustable (camber) Upper Rear Control Arms

Hey everyone,
We have just introduced adjustable control arms for the twin turbos.  These
are the upper rear ones and allow you to get your car's camber back into
spec regardless of the suspension upgrades you have done (Eibach, Intrax,
Ground Control, Tein, etc).  No longer do you have to settle for being a
degree or even 2 out (negative camber), you can get the camber straight to
prevent uneven, unnecessary (and thus expensive! ;-)  tire wear.  Another
advantage gained from the adjustability is you can have "factory" 0 camber
setting for around town, then make a quick twist to draw in the top of the
wheel to set some negative camber when you head to the road course or
autocross.  Just mark your settings for street and track.  We have pictures
and they are available on our site at
http://www.3SXPerformance.com/suspension.asp .
Thanks,
Steve and EricB

BTW, We will be releasing these for the NA's very soon.
BTW2, We recently released full/stock sized aluminum crank pulleys that
weight 1.6 pounds, about 1/3 the weight of the stock crank pulley.  These
are available now and are this month's special.  Check them out :-)

3SX Performance Automotive
http://www.3SXPerformance.com
Tel: 704-563-7249

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3SX Introduces Adjustable (camber) Upper Rear Control Arms

The only downside, is the toe will be off for one of the chosen settings.

Camber affects toe.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Steve Burrows wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> We have just introduced adjustable control arms for the twin turbos.  These
> are the upper rear ones and allow you to get your car's camber back into
> spec regardless of the suspension upgrades you have done (Eibach, Intrax,
> Ground Control, Tein, etc).  No longer do you have to settle for being a
> degree or even 2 out (negative camber), you can get the camber straight to
> prevent uneven, unnecessary (and thus expensive! ;-)  tire wear.  Another
> advantage gained from the adjustability is you can have "factory" 0 camber
> setting for around town, then make a quick twist to draw in the top of the
> wheel to set some negative camber when you head to the road course or
> autocross.  Just mark your settings for street and track.  We have pictures
> and they are available on our site at
> http://www.3SXPerformance.com/suspension.asp .
> Thanks,
> Steve and EricB
>
> BTW, We will be releasing these for the NA's very soon.
> BTW2, We recently released full/stock sized aluminum crank pulleys that
> weight 1.6 pounds, about 1/3 the weight of the stock crank pulley.  These
> are available now and are this month's special.  Check them out :-)
>
> 3SX Performance Automotive
> http://www.3SXPerformance.com
> Tel: 704-563-7249

- ---
Geoff Mohler
Lots of cars..and race them all.  Dont you?
Got Brakes?   I've got savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at http://www.speedtoys.com
- ---

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:51:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3SX Introduces Adjustable (camber) Upper Rear Control Arms

Ohh..but cool product!  *forgot to say that*

- ---
Geoff Mohler
Lots of cars..and race them all.  Dont you?
Got Brakes?   I've got savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at http://www.speedtoys.com
- ---

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:39:56 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK plugs - looking for one heat range colder

One range colder coppers and I get hesitations. I may change back to
platiums one range colder soon.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

> Are you one range colder or two?  I've driven mine with one range colder
in
> 30 degree F temps with no problems (if the weather is colder than that, I
> drive my pickup truck).  I'm surprised that ambient temps would affect the
> plugs that much.  The colder it gets, the stronger the acceleration I get.
> :-)
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:27:34 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3SX Introduces Adjustable (camber) Upper Rear Control Arms

> We have just introduced adjustable control arms for the twin turbos.
> http://www.3SXPerformance.com/suspension.asp .
> Thanks,
> Steve and EricB

Cool product, and a good solution to a common problem.  What sort of
strength do the replacements offer compared to the stock control arms?  I've
got a few friends who I've done lowering springs for that could use these!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:19:15 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Weight question

In every review of our cars, whether it be turbo or N/A, they state that our
cars are heavy and overweight. I am curious where this weight comes from.
Under the car the other day i noticed the gas tank is metal. but where else
could the extra poundage be hiding?

thanx

- -mike
97 SL

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:38:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question

All the metal parts is my guess.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 M3000GTSL84@aol.com wrote:

> In every review of our cars, whether it be turbo or N/A, they state that our
> cars are heavy and overweight. I am curious where this weight comes from.
> Under the car the other day i noticed the gas tank is metal. but where else
> could the extra poundage be hiding?
>
> thanx
>
> -mike
> 97 SL

- ---
Geoff Mohler
Lots of cars..and race them all.  Dont you?
Got Brakes?   I've got savings!
Porterfield parts catalog online now at http://www.speedtoys.com
- ---

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:41:44 -0400
From: "Jerry B." <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question

I can answer alot of this question. first off the drivers seat, ( if you
ahve full mechanical seats) weights 70-80 pounds, cannot remember the exact.
if you own a all wheel drive you have 2 times the axels, transfer case, all
wheel steering,, if you have it adds a second so called rack in the rear.
talking to a few friends that work at dodge said that there are like 4
layers of sound proofing and padding and carpet on the floor, Do not know
what the exact weight is but he said approx.. 150 + of it so there are a few
things you can think about,, then go take a look at yoru car and really
think of all the small things that you wouldn't think of seeing.....

Jerry  93 Stealth RT/TT & 92 Stealth E/S
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
Cc: <    >
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Weight question

> All the metal parts is my guess.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:42:24 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Oil Consumption in DOHC NA 6G72

Posted for a friend - I will relay all responses to him...

Problem Description:
- ---------------------------------------------
(INTERMITTENT!!!!) oil burning.  Slightly on startup until
warm but not consistently.  No significant oil burning
on the whole, maybe a quart every 4-5 tanks of gas or
so.  When the engine is hot and I am sitting in stop and
go traffic on the freeway, if I am idling for a long
time, when I finally get a break in traffic, I sometimes
get copious amounts of blue smoke.  This never happens
unless the engine is good and warm.  Someone suggested
it may be valve guides, but it doesn't blow blue smoke
on deceleration or coming down a long, steep incline
when manifold vacuum is high.  Rings would be indicated
by high oil consumption and consistent smoke.  Someone
else suggested PCV.  It's not that because replacing it
didn't fix anything.
- ----------------------------------------------

Any ideas or suggestions before he starts replacing valve-related stuff?

Thanks,
- --Erik

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:49:48 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: OT: Dell laptop (ideal for datalogging) for sale on eBay

My Laptop is up for grabs on eBay. No reserve, no minimum bid, it will
be sold, LOTS of accessories. Basic info is PII 266 MMX, 128 MB RAM,
6.02 GB HD, 13.3" TFT, 10/100 NIC+56K cell combo card, CDROM, floppy,
carry case, 5 port 10/100 switch, plus more.

This laptop would be perfect for datalogging, I bought it thinking I
might also be able to use it with a standalone, but I went the piggyback
route for now. Was originally purchased for my wife in college, but she
got her job and no longer needs it.

For all the info please check out the auction at

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2031131440

That needs to all be on one line. Picts are in the auction.
PLEASE SEND ALL REPLIES DIRECTLY TO ME OFF LIST. I am sure all the
others would appreciate it as well.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:37:40 -0600
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Team3S: Indiglo gauge faces

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1835214881&r=
0&t=0>

Anybody know anything about these Indiglo gauge faces?

- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:56:19 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: FS: 1st gen Cam Sensor motor - DOHC, Non-turbo, for sale - like new

Well, the title says it all... 

A pressure tested, 3 month, unlimited mile warranty engine, in
beautiful, like new condition.  Guaranteed less than 40K miles, but
prolly closer to 30K miles.  I purchased it for my '93, and going by my
production date, they shipped the right motor, or so we thought, but it
turns out my car has the later motor, I knew that, but they went solely
by the production date.  Now, to save a little shipping, I would love to
sell it to a needy list member for a touch less than I purchased it for
quite a bit actually, but it'll be quicker for me in the long run
hopefully....

Cost:  $1600 plus I'll pay half of shipping.  Shipping will be
approximately $100 - $150, so the most you would pay would be $1675.  I
can accept various methods of payment, including credit card.  Please
e-mail me privately for details, or with any questions. 

- -Cody

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:41:12 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Weight question

Power driver's seat is 60# and non-power passenger seat is 40#.

I think someone was making a list of all the parts and their weight
pulled out of a car sometime back in the archives.  I think Geoff and
Arty maybe on the "project" cars weighed things too.

Yes there is a lot of weight in the interior carpeting.  Remember, this
is a touring car (GTO) and not some flimsy lightweight.  I find the
weight to be a bonus on the Interstate at 80 mph when a 40 mph crosswind
hits.  All cars shudder and slow and swerve.  Not me.  I keep right on
straight ahead.

Instead of being penalized by the weight I look for the ways it is a
help to me.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry B.
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 19:42
 
I can answer alot of this question. first off the drivers seat, ( if you
ahve full mechanical seats) weights 70-80 pounds, cannot remember the
exact.
if you own a all wheel drive you have 2 times the axels, transfer case,
all
wheel steering,, if you have it adds a second so called rack in the
rear.
talking to a few friends that work at dodge said that there are like 4
layers of sound proofing and padding and carpet on the floor, Do not
know
what the exact weight is but he said approx.. 150 + of it so there are a
few
things you can think about,, then go take a look at yoru car and really
think of all the small things that you wouldn't think of seeing.....

Jerry  93 Stealth RT/TT & 92 Stealth E/S

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:06:50 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: OT: "Straight up trade. Brand new corbeaus for Stock seats"

First of all, I am not the one selling them, but the guy that is has
been around 3si.org for quite a while. If you're interested DO NOT REPLY
TO ME, I am just spreading the word for him since I backed out of the
deal (I'm 6'6", I BARELY fit in my car with my helmet touching the roof,
I cant afford to not have my seats if it doesn't work). Check it out!

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=10d6ab1271e2ef341b73333dd9d315eb
&threadid=83527

That all has to be on one line. Or just go to www.3si.org click on
classifieds, then parts for sale, and look for it there.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:30:38 -0700
From: "Bradford J. Gay" <bradfordjgay@charter.net>
Subject: Team3S: Hole in Firewall

I'm installing new gauges however I have a problem.  Just where is the
hole to get wires through the firewall?  If possible, please send pics.
Thanks.

- -Brad
 97 VR-4

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:34:06 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hole in Firewall

Courtesy of Jeff Lucius' site.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-dashpanelaccess.htm

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Bradford J. Gay
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 02:31
To: Team3S
Subject: Team3S: Hole in Firewall

I'm installing new gauges however I have a problem.  Just where is the
hole to get wires through the firewall?  If possible, please send pics.
Thanks.

- -Brad
 97 VR-4

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:04:07 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hole in Firewall

On the left of the steering shaft passing the firewall and the other behind
the battery where the harness passes the firewall.

Too easy for pics :)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

>I'm installing new gauges however I have a problem.  Just where is the
>hole to get wires through the firewall?  If possible, please send pics.
>Thanks.
>
>-Brad
>  97 VR-4

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:53:35 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: 60k tools

Hey all,

I'm getting ready to do the 60k on my vr4. When I was buying the
special tools from mitsu, they told me that I don't really need the end
yoke holder and that their techs don't use it. I didn't want to spend
$50 on a tool that I won't need, but we all know how accurate and
knowledgeable satan's cronies are... so could anyone confirm or deny
that? Do I need to run out and get it, or am I fine w/o it.

Thanks,

Alex.

'95 VR4

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:33:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Margrave <davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 60k tools

Rich will probably pipe in here. I watched him do a 60k service, and as I
recall, the special socket tool that has the two pins that engage in the
tensioner is MANDATORY.  The mitsu tool that tries to hold the crank
pulley so that you can loosen/tighten it (I think this is what you're
referring to as the yoke here), is a piece of garbage that only marginally
does it's job if accompanied by a lot of swearing, cursing, and bruised
knuckles. You might be able to find a more capable tool at the local parts
store, or even to fabricate one yourself.

Dave

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Alex Pedenko wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm getting ready to do the 60k on my vr4. When I was buying the
> special tools from mitsu, they told me that I don't really need the end
> yoke holder and that their techs don't use it. I didn't want to spend
> $50 on a tool that I won't need, but we all know how accurate and
> knowledgeable satan's cronies are... so could anyone confirm or deny
> that? Do I need to run out and get it, or am I fine w/o it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex.
>
> '95 VR4

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