Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Saturday, May 25 2002    Volume 01 : Number 850




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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:45:13 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

> I purchased a 93 Stealth R/T TT with 80,000 miles. I ran the VIN.#, had it
> checked out by 2 mechanics all said the car is in great condition. 6 days
> after I had the car the Transmission broke. Needless to say I'm not
> impressed. After the fact I've been talking to Stealth owners and all say
> the trans. are weak. Just last night a gent said he replaced 2 trans. and
> the new one is on the way out. I guess my question is if you guy's are
> running that much HP how are you not breaking the transmissions? My car is
> stock except for the K&N cone filter. 60000 maintenance was done. I'm now
> waiting on a trans. from Kormex. What is the list running? Any help to
> restore my faith in this car would be appreciated.

First off, sorry to hear about your transmission troubles.  Certainly no fun
there.

What is broken on it?  Won't shift, grinding shifts, stripped output shaft,
or stripped transfer case input sleeve?  Those are the most common problems
(as far as I know).  Here's a basic guide to what usually causes each
failure:

Won't shift:  Broken shift forks.  Typically caused by someone shifting
through the gears VERY aggressively and not properly using the clutch.  The
only preventative thing to do here is shift either more carefully or more
skillfully.

Grinding shifts:  Bad synchronizer rings.  You can get replacements from
Kormex (and supposedly now through Mitsubishi/Getrag somehow).  Caused by
missed shifts and/or poor lubrication or using the wrong weight lubricant.
It can sometimes be improved by switching to Redline fluids (50/50 mix of
MT90 and MTL fluids) or BG Synchroshift.  If different fluids don't help,
then the synchro should be replaced before gear tooth damage occurs.

Stripped output shaft and/or stripped transfer case input sleeve:  Usually
caused by water getting into the mating surfaces between the two parts and
corroding/rusting the splines thereby weakening them.  Eventually they strip
out.  The only preventative thing that I know is to lubricate the splines
and input sleeve with lithium grease each time the clutch is changed or any
other service is performed that requires removal of the transfer case.  The
newer style sleeves/shafts are more reliable than the older ones.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:17:32 -0400
From: "alan92rttt" <a92rttt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "alan92rttt" <a92rttt@hotmail.com>
To: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

> You can get parts thru CRS Inc.
>
> They sell oem parts I'll be getting  delivery for my trans later today.
> Their price is much less that Kormex for the syncro. Kormex wants 125 the
> the 1-2 syncro ring. They have it for $15.00 each. All three 1-2 rings for
> $70.
>
> Goto 3si.org  and you can find a thread with the contact phone number(I
dont
> have it at work).
>
> Alan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
> > Grinding shifts:  Bad synchronizer rings.  You can get replacements from
> > Kormex (and supposedly now through Mitsubishi/Getrag somehow).

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:19:59 -0400
From: "Anthony & Susan" <jetbike@worldlynx.net>
Subject: Team3S: FW: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

Mat,
I was driving home when I shifted from 1st to 2nd (not on it!!!!) heard a
clunk and it felt like I ran over a pot hole. At the next light when I went
to pull out the RPM'S went up but the car would not move. I didn't smell the
clutch at all. I did get it moving using higher gears (low torque no boost)
At idle it sounds like a scraping as the motor spins. I took it to my
mechanic. He said when he drained the trans. fluid a lot of metal came out.
That's where I'm at. Kormex said they would let me know what broke when they
get the trans. back. As far as shifting it was smooth through all gears and
that's what I don't understand. What do you think?

Thanx

Anthony
93 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Jannusch [mailto:mjannusch@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:45 AM
To: Anthony & Susan; Stealth Mailing List (E-mail)
Subject: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

> I purchased a 93 Stealth R/T TT with 80,000 miles. I ran the VIN.#, had it
> checked out by 2 mechanics all said the car is in great condition. 6 days
> after I had the car the Transmission broke. Needless to say I'm not
> impressed. After the fact I've been talking to Stealth owners and all say
> the trans. are weak. Just last night a gent said he replaced 2 trans. and
> the new one is on the way out. I guess my question is if you guy's are
> running that much HP how are you not breaking the transmissions? My car is
> stock except for the K&N cone filter. 60000 maintenance was done. I'm now
> waiting on a trans. from Kormex. What is the list running? Any help to
> restore my faith in this car would be appreciated.

First off, sorry to hear about your transmission troubles.  Certainly no fun
there.

What is broken on it?  Won't shift, grinding shifts, stripped output shaft,
or stripped transfer case input sleeve?  Those are the most common problems
(as far as I know).  Here's a basic guide to what usually causes each
failure:

Won't shift:  Broken shift forks.  Typically caused by someone shifting
through the gears VERY aggressively and not properly using the clutch.  The
only preventative thing to do here is shift either more carefully or more
skillfully.

Grinding shifts:  Bad synchronizer rings.  You can get replacements from
Kormex (and supposedly now through Mitsubishi/Getrag somehow).  Caused by
missed shifts and/or poor lubrication or using the wrong weight lubricant.
It can sometimes be improved by switching to Redline fluids (50/50 mix of
MT90 and MTL fluids) or BG Synchroshift.  If different fluids don't help,
then the synchro should be replaced before gear tooth damage occurs.

Stripped output shaft and/or stripped transfer case input sleeve:  Usually
caused by water getting into the mating surfaces between the two parts and
corroding/rusting the splines thereby weakening them.  Eventually they strip
out.  The only preventative thing that I know is to lubricate the splines
and input sleeve with lithium grease each time the clutch is changed or any
other service is performed that requires removal of the transfer case.  The
newer style sleeves/shafts are more reliable than the older ones.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:27:40 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

Matt:  Can a person of average mechanical skill (like me) get the trans out
and swap out the synchros? My 93 tt awd grinds when I upshift. I also have a
lot of slop in the propeller shaft from transfer case to rear diff. Sounds
like the spline problem you were describing.

Andy

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
To: "Anthony & Susan" <jetbike@worldlynx.net>; "Stealth Mailing List
(E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

| > I purchased a 93 Stealth R/T TT with 80,000 miles. I ran the VIN.#, had
it
| > checked out by 2 mechanics all said the car is in great condition. 6
days
| > after I had the car the Transmission broke. Needless to say I'm not
| > impressed. After the fact I've been talking to Stealth owners and all
say
| > the trans. are weak. Just last night a gent said he replaced 2 trans.
and
| > the new one is on the way out. I guess my question is if you guy's are
| > running that much HP how are you not breaking the transmissions? My car
is
| > stock except for the K&N cone filter. 60000 maintenance was done. I'm
now
| > waiting on a trans. from Kormex. What is the list running? Any help to
| > restore my faith in this car would be appreciated.
|
| First off, sorry to hear about your transmission troubles.  Certainly no
fun
| there.
|
| What is broken on it?  Won't shift, grinding shifts, stripped output
shaft,
| or stripped transfer case input sleeve?  Those are the most common
problems
| (as far as I know).  Here's a basic guide to what usually causes each
| failure:
|
| Won't shift:  Broken shift forks.  Typically caused by someone shifting
| through the gears VERY aggressively and not properly using the clutch.
The
| only preventative thing to do here is shift either more carefully or more
| skillfully.
|
| Grinding shifts:  Bad synchronizer rings.  You can get replacements from
| Kormex (and supposedly now through Mitsubishi/Getrag somehow).  Caused by
| missed shifts and/or poor lubrication or using the wrong weight lubricant.
| It can sometimes be improved by switching to Redline fluids (50/50 mix of
| MT90 and MTL fluids) or BG Synchroshift.  If different fluids don't help,
| then the synchro should be replaced before gear tooth damage occurs.
|
| Stripped output shaft and/or stripped transfer case input sleeve:  Usually
| caused by water getting into the mating surfaces between the two parts and
| corroding/rusting the splines thereby weakening them.  Eventually they
strip
| out.  The only preventative thing that I know is to lubricate the splines
| and input sleeve with lithium grease each time the clutch is changed or
any
| other service is performed that requires removal of the transfer case.
The
| newer style sleeves/shafts are more reliable than the older ones.
|
| -Matt
| '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:36:43 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

> Matt:  Can a person of average mechanical skill (like me) get the trans
out
> and swap out the synchros? My 93 tt awd grinds when I upshift. I also have
a
> lot of slop in the propeller shaft from transfer case to rear diff. Sounds
> like the spline problem you were describing.

You could probably get the tranny out following the clutch replacement
instructions, but I'm pretty sure you need a press to get 1st gear off and
get at the 1-2 synchro.  If you got the parts, a tranny shop could probably
do the actual internal work for you and then put it back in the car
yourself.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:54:24 -0700
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fishtailing in dry weather and almost normal road

How's the tread on your tires looking?

Riyan
1993 stealth rt/tt

my ride:
www.advantedgecomputing.com/stllow/stealth.htm

**************

Mike wrote:
Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:13 PM

A note to everyone about safety:

Today I was driving on the freeway ~70 mph in a zone where the
construction guys prepared the concrete road for repaving.  They did
this by carving longitudinal small ruts in the road.  It was a slight
turn, and I had to break.  I pressed on the breaks lightly, and my car
started fishtailing.  The car went to the right/left ~4 times.  I
<BIG CUT>

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:52:47 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

Thanks Matt:  I will look at the clutch page on Jeffs website. I have been
thinking about buying a press. Harbor freight sells a 20 ton one for 150.00.
Sounds like maybe its time to buy. Thanks.  Andy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
To: "Andrew Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>; "Stealth Mailing List (E-mail)"
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

| > Matt:  Can a person of average mechanical skill (like me) get the trans
| out
| > and swap out the synchros? My 93 tt awd grinds when I upshift. I also
have
| a
| > lot of slop in the propeller shaft from transfer case to rear diff.
Sounds
| > like the spline problem you were describing.
|
| You could probably get the tranny out following the clutch replacement
| instructions, but I'm pretty sure you need a press to get 1st gear off and
| get at the 1-2 synchro.  If you got the parts, a tranny shop could
probably
| do the actual internal work for you and then put it back in the car
| yourself.
|
| -Matt
| '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:52:01 -0700
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: "corrected" 1/4 mile timeslips??? was - DYNO #'s

Folks...

Having run the 1/4 mile for over 20 years (although not "professionally"
within NHRA brackets), I have to admit I'm either dense, stupid, or
uninformed (perhaps all three). How do you "correct" a 1/4 mile ET???
All I've ever gotten is a timeslip with reaction time, 60' time, 1/8
mile time, and 1/4 time with associated speed. What do you "correct"???
Perhaps I should use some number from the G-tech toy I have and
calculate hp and torque, then "determine" what my 1/4 mile ET "could"
be???

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest [mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:40 AM
To: Steve Cooper; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: DYNO #'s

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
> > Just something to keep in mind Jeff, Matt from Dynamic has run a
10.95 @
22 PSI (no happy gas @ 3600FT
> Wasn't that a "corrected " time and not a "real " time?
> Steve
- -------------------------------->

All the times posted on our Team3S "Fastest 3S" page are backed up with
timeslips, and we don't accept corrected times, only real times.  In
December, Matt ran a 10.96 without NOS, and a 10.89 with NOS, at 3600
ft.,
both uncorrected.
www.Team3S.com/FAQ-fastest.htm

Best,

Forrest

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:02:34 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: Team3S: Resetting memory...ECU, AVCR, SAFC, etc.

Along the same lines of resetting the ECU by battery terminal disconnection,
I have another question...

Does anyone happen to know how long the Apexi AVCR and SAFC will retain
their memory settings with a disconnected battery?  I know there are options
on them to actively reset to the defaults, but I'm wondering how long it
would take before my settings are lost from a disconnected battery if it
were left undone for several days, etc.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

> Unhooking the battery (or removing the correct fuse (I forget
> what it is
> labeled - interior lighting?)) will reset anything that the
> ECU has learned
> to this point back to the factory defaults, so the car will
> spend a little
> more time relearning from scratch instead of making smaller
> adjustments (if
> even that is necessary) to the prelearned data.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:07:06 -0500
From: "Morice, Francis" <francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Resetting memory...ECU, AVCR, SAFC, etc.

Dave,

I left mine without power over a winter and the settings where still there,
figure about 4-5 months.

Francis
'96 RT/TT

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:15:30 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

The 1st/2nd gear set comes off fairly easy but I had my 3rd/4th on a
press at a shop and it hadn't moved at 6 tons --- I chickened out at
that point for fear of breaking something. I thought the synchros were
OK [ spare tranny ] I just figured I'd check them while I had the tranny
apart. I probably requires heat to remove that gear set but I didn't go
that far. Frank at Kormex always seems to be willing to help if you get
to that point.

        Jim Berry
====================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>

> Thanks Matt:  I will look at the clutch page on Jeffs website. I have been
> thinking about buying a press. Harbor freight sells a 20 ton one for 150.00.
> Sounds like maybe its time to buy. Thanks.  Andy

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
>
>
> | > Matt:  Can a person of average mechanical skill (like me) get the trans
> | out
> | > and swap out the synchros? My 93 tt awd grinds when I upshift. I also
> have
> | a
> | > lot of slop in the propeller shaft from transfer case to rear diff.
> Sounds
> | > like the spline problem you were describing.
> |
> | You could probably get the tranny out following the clutch replacement
> | instructions, but I'm pretty sure you need a press to get 1st gear off and
> | get at the 1-2 synchro.  If you got the parts, a tranny shop could
> probably
> | do the actual internal work for you and then put it back in the car
> | yourself.
> |
> | -Matt
> | '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:23:12 -0500
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: "corrected" 1/4 mile timeslips??? was - DYNO #'s

Unless I fall into one of the 3 categories you list (which is almost
inevitable at this point- LOL), I believe they are referring to elevation
since air density varies at different elevations.  The only time I have
heard of 1/4 mi. "corrected times" was for elevation.  I believe the times
would be corrected to "elevation at sea level" times if your elevation was
different.

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

> within NHRA brackets), I have to admit I'm either dense, stupid, or
> uninformed (perhaps all three). How do you "correct" a 1/4 mile ET???
> All I've ever gotten is a timeslip with reaction time, 60' time, 1/8
> mile time, and 1/4 time with associated speed. What do you
> "correct"???

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:02:32 -0700
From: "Chris Winkley" <Chris_Winkley@adp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: DYNO #'s

Folks...

OK, here was a moment in history that I hope everyone noted. Roger, who I admire for his scientific approach to measuring the impact of mods has recognized that the only "real" indicator of hp and torque is what you do with it.    :-)     Soooo, as others have responded, I don't care if someone says they have a 5,000 hp engine, I'd still like to see a timeslip indicating that all those mods and all those dollars can be translated into a significant improvement on the track, whether lap times on the open track or a 1/4 mile ET on the dragstrip.

Personally, I'm still eagerly awaiting the results of Arty's monster. It may be a trailer queen, but it's the first car that I believe will make it into the single digits. Until then, Jack T holds the documented 3KGT/Stealth record that I'm aware of, and it's in the high 10s.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl [mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:00 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: DYNO #'s

<snip>

Well, I believe Chuck that he runned 1.4 bars of boost what is a lot for
sure. Therefore the hp numbers are wrong. I'd also say that only the track
proves the real hp number ... I'd never thought I'd say this ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

<snip>

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:08:10 -0700
From: "ek2mfg" <ek2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:

This is the stuff i love about this list..."corrected" times. So in
the Web world a guy in Colorado can say his exact same car will beat
his buddy with the exact same car because he lives in Death Valley. I
have been watching simulcast telivision shows ever since we got a
couch and I have yet to see a showdown of a car in Denver and a car
in California going for the championship at two different tracks for
the same tittle and the tree launches them both...This could be a big
idea actually....the nascar teams would no longer need to travel from
state to state and we could have two or three cars on every track
every sunday rather than 43 all at once. Then in the end of the race
thy could all get on the net and figure out who had the fastest lap
times and who was in first.

Sorry for the ranting....put me down for one of the three as well :)

As for the technical side of this post.......If anyone is interested
(Jeff L.) I can give you part numbers for the clips and stuff needed
for the side skirts...stealth316 is very helpfull but the part
numbers in conjunction with letters "c" would help out and save the
next person from ordering the wrong stuff.....i know what you'll need
as well as what you don't :)

bobk.
9399R/T
Grabber Green Pearl
Pics to be posted late Monday

- ---- Original Message ----
From: dblai@allstate.com
To: Chris_Winkley@adp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: "corrected" 1/4 mile timeslips??? was - DYNO #'s
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:23:12 -0500

>Unless I fall into one of the 3 categories you list (which is almost
>inevitable at this point- LOL), I believe they are referring to
>elevation
>since air density varies at different elevations.  The only time I
>have
>heard of 1/4 mi. "corrected times" was for elevation.  I believe the
>times
>would be corrected to "elevation at sea level" times if your
>elevation was
>different.
>
>Dave 95VR4
>http://www.daveblack.net
>
>
>> within NHRA brackets), I have to admit I'm either dense, stupid, or
>> uninformed (perhaps all three). How do you "correct" a 1/4 mile
>ET???
>> All I've ever gotten is a timeslip with reaction time, 60' time,
>1/8
>> mile time, and 1/4 time with associated speed. What do you
>> "correct"???

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:13:23 -0400
From: "alan92rttt" <a92rttt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

I know I'm not Matt. But, John Adams has the process documented on his
website www.vr4stealth.com. I have my transmission apart in my garage rught
now. I plan to putt the gear set apart this weekend and replace the 1-2
syncros.  www.mi3si.org/members/m0030/tranny

Alan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>

> Matt:  Can a person of average mechanical skill (like me) get the trans
out
> and swap out the synchros? My 93 tt awd grinds when I upshift. I also have
a
> lot of slop in the propeller shaft from transfer case to rear diff. Sounds
> like the spline problem you were describing.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:15:51 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: DYNO #'s

A personal friend here in San Antonio also has hopes of being the first
in the single digits with a 3/S car...  He is gonna be running twin 399R
turbos....  This car has been not in the build process for well over a
year...  Hopefully soon, I will be able to report how fast it truly is
first hand...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Winkley
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:03 PM
To: Roger Gerl; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: DYNO #'s

Folks...

OK, here was a moment in history that I hope everyone noted. Roger, who
I admire for his scientific approach to measuring the impact of mods has
recognized that the only "real" indicator of hp and torque is what you
do with it.    :-)     Soooo, as others have responded, I don't care if
someone says they have a 5,000 hp engine, I'd still like to see a
timeslip indicating that all those mods and all those dollars can be
translated into a significant improvement on the track, whether lap
times on the open track or a 1/4 mile ET on the dragstrip.

Personally, I'm still eagerly awaiting the results of Arty's monster. It
may be a trailer queen, but it's the first car that I believe will make
it into the single digits. Until then, Jack T holds the documented
3KGT/Stealth record that I'm aware of, and it's in the high 10s.

Looking forward...Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl [mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:00 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: DYNO #'s

<snip>

Well, I believe Chuck that he runned 1.4 bars of boost what is a lot for
sure. Therefore the hp numbers are wrong. I'd also say that only the
track
proves the real hp number ... I'd never thought I'd say this ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

<snip>

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:49:07 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: EGT Stopped Working

To the electrical engineering members.  Would anyone care to speculate on my
EGT gage.  After my last open track weekend, it stopped working.  I've
confirmed that the gage has power, so I suspect it's the pyrometer.  Is
there a way to confirm this?  The needle cycles with the ignition as it
always does, but it stays at zero from there on.  Any suggestions would be
much appreciated.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:54:50 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Open Track Rain Report

My open track season started last weekend.  The scenario was much the same
as past events.  It started something like this:  Glen the middle aged
instructor climbs in and hands me the headset and says "you must be Dave.
I've never been in a Stealth before.  -Theres a first time for everything
Glen- Is it front wheel drive? -No, it's all wheel drive-  Oh, OK.  Does it
have a turbo? -Ya-  OK Dave, lets pull out and remember to take it easy for
a lap or two."  Two laps later, said instructor is mumbling something about
pulling like a Porsche turbo with unbelievable predictability.  As much as I
would like to take credit, anyone whose open tracked these cars will tell
you, the credit goes to the car.  The only competition we found in B group
was one very quick M Coupe that I could only beat by turning up the boost
and out running on the straight.
All is not rosey however.  I got caught in a downpore on the second day, and
instead of dominating, I found myself letting people by as I skated around a
track that seemed to have turned to black ice (on BFG Gforce KD's no less).
The advantage coming off the turns is a no brainer, but turn-in and
especially mid turn perfomance in my car was in the rain was freightning.
At one point while following a slow M3 at a conservative pace, at mid turn
my tail proceeds to come around while holding steady throttle.  I steer in
every direction trying to get hooked up before running out of track.  She
finally hooked up in the marbles a few feet from the edge of the track.
Very unnerving.  Rain driving comments in our cars would be appreciated.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:53:11 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Resetting memory...ECU, AVCR, SAFC, etc.

The values are stored in the EEPROM section of the CPU and therefore is
never cleared.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

> >Does anyone happen to know how long the Apexi AVCR and SAFC will retain
> >their memory settings with a disconnected battery?  I know there are
> options
> >on them to actively reset to the defaults, but I'm wondering how long it
> >would take before my settings are lost from a disconnected battery if it
> >were left undone for several days, etc.

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:00:44 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT Stopped Working

The only thing you can do is to hook a multimeter onto the sensors wires and
see if the resistance is changing mroe than at idle or easy driving. If not
the sensor is shot.

Good luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


> To the electrical engineering members.  Would anyone care to speculate on
my
> EGT gage.  After my last open track weekend, it stopped working.  I've
> confirmed that the gage has power, so I suspect it's the pyrometer.  Is
> there a way to confirm this?  The needle cycles with the ignition as it
> always does, but it stays at zero from there on.  Any suggestions would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:10:18 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Open Track Rain Report

I was on the track at two rainy days and one with snow. My experience with
fishtailing is when I did something wrong. 99.9% I had understeer in rain.
When I did it right, I was able to go through the turns pretty fast compared
to the BMW and Ferraris. When I pushed the pedal too much aroudn the apex I
found myself sliding over all four wheels. No fishtailing just going the way
I lost traction. I experienced fishtailing when I felt to be too fast and
stepped onto the brake in the turn. It started with understeer and after I
let off the brakes and went onto the gas again the back became loose.
Definitely my fault that time.

One thing I can tell for sure is that the tires are responsible for changing
the driving style a lot. The Yokohamas where ok when hot but the worst thing
in rain. The SP8000 and SP9000 are loud and hard but fantastic. Never
experienced fishtailing with them. Next will be the new Goodyear F1-03 as my
M3 and Alfa Romeo buddies swear on them.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
To: "Team3s" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:54 PM
Subject: Team3S: Open Track Rain Report

> My open track season started last weekend.  The scenario was much the same
> as past events.  It started something like this:  Glen the middle aged
> instructor climbs in and hands me the headset and says "you must be Dave.
> I've never been in a Stealth before.  -Theres a first time for everything
> Glen- Is it front wheel drive? -No, it's all wheel drive-  Oh, OK.  Does
it
> have a turbo? -Ya-  OK Dave, lets pull out and remember to take it easy
for
> a lap or two."  Two laps later, said instructor is mumbling something
about
> pulling like a Porsche turbo with unbelievable predictability.  As much as
I
> would like to take credit, anyone whose open tracked these cars will tell
> you, the credit goes to the car.  The only competition we found in B group
> was one very quick M Coupe that I could only beat by turning up the boost
> and out running on the straight.
> All is not rosey however.  I got caught in a downpore on the second day,
and
> instead of dominating, I found myself letting people by as I skated around
a
> track that seemed to have turned to black ice (on BFG Gforce KD's no
less).
> The advantage coming off the turns is a no brainer, but turn-in and
> especially mid turn perfomance in my car was in the rain was freightning.
> At one point while following a slow M3 at a conservative pace, at mid turn
> my tail proceeds to come around while holding steady throttle.  I steer in
> every direction trying to get hooked up before running out of track.  She
> finally hooked up in the marbles a few feet from the edge of the track.
> Very unnerving.  Rain driving comments in our cars would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:14:34 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT Stopped Working

> The only thing you can do is to hook a multimeter onto the sensors wires
and
> see if the resistance is changing mroe than at idle or easy driving. If
not
> the sensor is shot.

Actually you need to measure voltage if you are measuring straight off the
probe's wires.  Set your voltmeter to the lowest scale possible and you
should see a few milivolts - more when the probe is hotter.  (about 10mv at
250C and about 35mv around 850C).

I'd just check through the wiring and make sure something didn't come loose.
EGT probes don't fail that often.

If your gauge has a converter box between the probe and the gauge, make sure
that is getting power too.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:51:30 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

Simple enough question.  The SAFC can change the air signal to the ECU by
+-50%.  Stock 360cc injectors plus 50% would be 540cc.  That would be 10cc
more than what the SAFC can theoretically control but supposedly the ECU can
handle injectors 10% higher than stock or 396cc injectors.  Add 50% and that
would equal 594cc.

Would there be any negative affects to trying this (Besides running 2%
rich)?

Has anyone tried this yet?

(Yes I know about the ARC2.  I would rather use the SAFC because of its
features.)

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:08:07 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

> Simple enough question.  The SAFC can change the air signal
> to the ECU by +-50%.  Stock 360cc injectors plus 50% would
> be 540cc.  That would be 10cc more than what the SAFC can
> theoretically control but  supposedly the ECU can
> handle injectors 10% higher than stock or 396cc injectors. 
> Add 50% and that would equal 594cc.

Actually, since the SAFC can modify the airflow signal by +/- 50%, then it
can theoretically handle up to 720cc injectors in our cars. 

Hopefully the brain hasn't turned off prematurely due to the imminent
weekend, so here's the algebra to go with it...

Is = Stock Injector Size (360cc/min)
In = New Injector Size (cc/min)
C = SAFC Correction (-0.50 < C < 0.50)

(1 + C) * In = Is

Solve for C:
C = Is/In - 1

Solve for In:
In = Is / (1 + C)

For our cars, "In" must be between 240cc and 720cc.

Who says you'l never use algebra after high school? :-)

Have a good weekend...
- --Erik

P.S.  I'd think you'd probably not want to use the SAFC with 720cc injectors
because it'd leave you no room to lean it out if you needed to.  But 450s or
550s should work just fine AFAIK.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:09:02 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

Absolutely it can work.  Here's a copy of a post I made on this subject a
little while ago:

I just put in bigger injectors and an S-AFC in my VR-4, and so sat down to
do some pre-install math. At first I tried the intuitive
New_Injector_Size/Old_Injector_Size equation, but as I played with it, it
just didn't seem right. I played around, and decided that when determing the
amount of correction the S-AFC should give to compensate for new injectors,
the equation looks like this:

c = Correction Percentage
i = New Injector Size

i + ci = 360

Plug in i for your new injectors, and then solve for c. This will the the
"mathematically perfect" setting for the S-AFC...in real life, of course,
it'll need tweaking. A few examples:


450s:
450 + (c)450 = 360
1 + c = 360/450
c = .8 - 1
c = -.2 = -20%

550s:
550 + (c)550 = 360
1 + c = 360/550
c = .66 - 1
c = -.33 = -33%

720s:
720 + (c)720 = 360
1 + c = 360/720
c = .5 - 1
c = -.5 = -50%

These calculations for 450s and 550s seem to mesh with the antecdotal
evidence I've seen. I'm running 450s in my car right now, and after some
tweaking and tuning I've got mine set at about -21% across the board. I've
also seen posts from a few people running 550s with the S-AFC, and they all
seem to have around -33% as their settings.

The addage of "you can't increase injector size more than 50%" seems to come
from doing the math the wrong way.  When you install bigger injectors, you
actually need the S-AFC to adjust the airflow DOWN, not up, because of the
higher flow rate of the new injectors.  So actually the rule should be "your
original injectors must be at least 50% the size of your new injectors".

The S-AFC is a great little box, and I hate to see it's capabilities sold
short. 

- - Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dakken [mailto:dougusmagnus@attbi.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 4:52 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
>
>
> Simple enough question.  The SAFC can change the air signal
> to the ECU by
> +-50%.  Stock 360cc injectors plus 50% would be 540cc.  That
> would be 10cc
> more than what the SAFC can theoretically control but
> supposedly the ECU can
> handle injectors 10% higher than stock or 396cc injectors. 
> Add 50% and that
> would equal 594cc.
>
> Would there be any negative affects to trying this (Besides running 2%
> rich)?
>
> Has anyone tried this yet?
>
> (Yes I know about the ARC2.  I would rather use the SAFC
> because of its
> features.)
>
>
> Doug
> 92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:07:02 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: EGT Stopped Working

It's a thermocouple probe so the sensor should show a short doing a
resistance check or put the meter on the millavolt range and see if it
varies with temp.

         Jim Berry
===============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>

> The only thing you can do is to hook a multimeter onto the sensors wires and
> see if the resistance is changing mroe than at idle or easy driving. If not
> the sensor is shot.
>
> Good luck
> Roger

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:13:05 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

> Absolutely it can work.  Here's a copy of a post I made on
> this subject a little while ago:

Thanks Brian, I knew you had posted that before, but I'd lost the message
:-)  Brian did all the math... I just copied it.   :-)    Oh well...

- --Erik

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:19:59 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Open Track Rain Report

I've only had the opportunity to drive in the rain for one session at Buttonwillow
is California. What I found to be particularly useful was about every 30 seconds
or so I'd say to myself --- "It's raining stupid"

BTW the KD is renowned for it's 'dry' handling properties.

        Jim Berry
==================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>

> > All is not rosey however.  I got caught in a downpore on the second day, and
> instead of dominating, I found myself letting people by as I skated around a
> track that seemed to have turned to black ice (on BFG Gforce KD's no less).
> The advantage coming off the turns is a no brainer, but turn-in and
> especially mid turn perfomance in my car was in the rain was freightning.
> At one point while following a slow M3 at a conservative pace, at mid turn
> my tail proceeds to come around while holding steady throttle.  I steer in
> every direction trying to get hooked up before running out of track.  She
> finally hooked up in the marbles a few feet from the edge of the track.
> Very unnerving.  Rain driving comments in our cars would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:30:57 -0500
From: "William Jeffrey Crabtree" <wjcrabtree@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)

I rebuilt my 91 5 Spd. on my own with one exception.  I had to have a
machine shop press the gears back onto the shafts.  I used a regular puller
ot get the gears pulled off.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
To: "Andrew Woll" <awoll1@pacbell.net>; "Stealth Mailing List (E-mail)"
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tranny Stuff (was DYNO #s)


> > Matt:  Can a person of average mechanical skill (like me) get the trans
> out
> > and swap out the synchros? My 93 tt awd grinds when I upshift. I also
have
> a
> > lot of slop in the propeller shaft from transfer case to rear diff.
Sounds
> > like the spline problem you were describing.
>
> You could probably get the tranny out following the clutch replacement
> instructions, but I'm pretty sure you need a press to get 1st gear off and
> get at the 1-2 synchro.  If you got the parts, a tranny shop could
probably
> do the actual internal work for you and then put it back in the car
> yourself.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:37:40 -0400
From: "Jerry B." <scorpman@optonline.net>
Subject: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

OK, Lets say you are doing 65 down the freeway. Not really on it jsut normal
drivinig. And your formost front CAM gear decides to come of, ( Explaination
: I had to replace a piston and ROD from a previous incident and removed the
CAM gear. I must not have tightened it to spec and it came loose.) The
timming belt came off, had been chewed to all god creation, pulled the crank
posistioning sensor clip apart and well ripped the timming covers apart. Now
my question is I know it is very likely that I bent the valves,, but how
likely is it. Is there anybody out there that had popped a belt or slipped a
belt while driving at 65 and had been ok with the valves? My vehicle is a 93
Stealth R/T T/T DOHC.

I all ready have the mind set that i am looking at head rebuild, But if it
is worth my time and a few people on the list have a good opinion I am
willing to slap a new gear and belt on and see if it is damaged. But if it
is a definite that I did damage then I am going to pull the motor and do a
total rebuild with all performance parts. ( i.e J.E Pistons and Ealge Rods.
things of that nature).

Any advice would be great,,

Thanks

Jerry 93 Stealth RT/TT  & 92 Stealth E/S

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

Extremely likely.

Id bet Bob's life on it.

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Jerry B. wrote:

> OK, Lets say you are doing 65 down the freeway. Not really on it jsut normal
> drivinig. And your formost front CAM gear decides to come of, ( Explaination
> : I had to replace a piston and ROD from a previous incident and removed the
> CAM gear. I must not have tightened it to spec and it came loose.) The
> timming belt came off, had been chewed to all god creation, pulled the crank
> posistioning sensor clip apart and well ripped the timming covers apart. Now
> my question is I know it is very likely that I bent the valves,, but how
> likely is it. Is there anybody out there that had popped a belt or slipped a
> belt while driving at 65 and had been ok with the valves? My vehicle is a 93
> Stealth R/T T/T DOHC.
>
> I all ready have the mind set that i am looking at head rebuild, But if it
> is worth my time and a few people on the list have a good opinion I am
> willing to slap a new gear and belt on and see if it is damaged. But if it
> is a definite that I did damage then I am going to pull the motor and do a
> total rebuild with all performance parts. ( i.e J.E Pistons and Ealge Rods.
> things of that nature).
>
> Any advice would be great,,
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerry 93 Stealth RT/TT  & 92 Stealth E/S

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:06:35 -0700
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

jerry/team:

I remember a thread about this before. Although you're probably SOL, if you
could do a compression check without causing futher damage, why not... to
see how your motor looks. Also I'd recommend the search page since there's
plenty of us that have had this happen.

1993 stealth rt/tt

my ride:
www.advantedgecomputing.com/stllow/stealth.htm

*****************

Jerry B. wrote:

<cut>
The
timming belt came off, had been chewed to all god creation, pulled the crank
posistioning sensor clip apart and well ripped the timming covers apart. Now
my question is I know it is very likely that I bent the valves,, but how
likely is it.
 <cut>

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 01:09:15 US/Central
From: tds@brightok.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

> OK, Lets say you are doing 65 down the freeway. Not really on it jsut normal
> drivinig. And your formost front CAM gear decides to come of, ( Explaination
> : I had to replace a piston and ROD from a previous incident and removed the
> CAM gear. I must not have tightened it to spec and it came loose.) The
> timming belt came off, had been chewed to all god creation, pulled the crank
> posistioning sensor clip apart and well ripped the timming covers apart. Now
> my question is I know it is very likely that I bent the valves,, but how
> likely is it. Is there anybody out there that had popped a belt or slipped a
> belt while driving at 65 and had been ok with the valves? My vehicle is a 93
> Stealth R/T T/T DOHC.
>
> I all ready have the mind set that i am looking at head rebuild, But if it
> is worth my time and a few people on the list have a good opinion I am
> willing to slap a new gear and belt on and see if it is damaged. But if it
> is a definite that I did damage then I am going to pull the motor and do a
> total rebuild with all performance parts. ( i.e J.E Pistons and Ealge Rods.
> things of that nature).
>
> Any advice would be great,,
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerry 93 Stealth RT/TT  & 92 Stealth E/S
- -------------------------------------------------------------

When I sheared off the bolt that secures the timing belt
adjuster, I bent some valves.  Though not nearly as costly
or time consuming as a full rebuild, I replaced pretty much
everything on top except the cams.

But since you had pretty good luck the last go around maybe you
are more lucky?

I could see the valve stems were bent by pulling the intake manifold.
I'm not sure you can always tell by this method but mine were really bent
and easily visible.

My pistons somehow survived that time .....


Look on the bright side - it doesn't get really bad until you start hating your
car!

- - tds
http://www.brightok.net/~tds
- ---------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:21:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

Compression checks only work..if valves seal.

Doubtful even with the BEST luck possible.

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Riyan Mynuddin wrote:

> jerry/team:
>
> I remember a thread about this before. Although you're probably SOL, if you
> could do a compression check without causing futher damage, why not... to
> see how your motor looks. Also I'd recommend the search page since there's
> plenty of us that have had this happen.
>
> 1993 stealth rt/tt
>
> my ride:
> www.advantedgecomputing.com/stllow/stealth.htm
>
> *****************
>
> Jerry B. wrote:
>
> <cut>
> The
> timming belt came off, had been chewed to all god creation, pulled the crank
> posistioning sensor clip apart and well ripped the timming covers apart. Now
> my question is I know it is very likely that I bent the valves,, but how
> likely is it.
>  <cut>

- ---
Geoff Mohler

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 02:37:35 EDT
From: MerisaPDX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

I haven't been so lucky.  I lost the timming belt on the freeway at about 70
with my 91 RT.  The net result is as follows: 24 bent valves, 3 bent rods,
thrashed timming belt cover, munched waterpump, and damage to the crank and
bearings.  With just the upper end work I am $2900 into the engine.  I am
looking at another $3000 for the remainder of the work, i.e. complete rebuild
of the short block with new oil pump.  (the car has 122K miles)  I ought to
just get rid of the thing, but it is in my blood, wouldn't know what to do
without it.

Merrisa

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 06:10:36 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Interferance Motor!

If we are talking a factory rebuild for the bottom end, just go for a
factory new shortblock. They only cost around $2200.00
 
- -Cody
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of MerisaPDX@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:38 AM
To: tds@brightok.net
Cc: team3s@team3s.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Interferance Motor!
 
I haven't been so lucky.  I lost the timming belt on the freeway at
about 70 with my 91 RT.  The net result is as follows: 24 bent valves, 3
bent rods, thrashed timming belt cover, munched waterpump, and damage to
the crank and bearings.  With just the upper end work I am $2900 into
the engine.  I am looking at another $3000 for the remainder of the
work, i.e. complete rebuild of the short block with new oil pump.  (the
car has 122K miles)  I ought to just get rid of the thing, but it is in
my blood, wouldn't know what to do without it.

Merrisa

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 07:23:23 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

Brian is absolutely right.  I've been running the old analog AFC for 3 years
with 550's.  I'm still amazed that people spend so much time and effort with
HKS.  It takes about 5min. to tune the AFC.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
To: "'dakken'" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>; "Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?

> Absolutely it can work.  Here's a copy of a post I made on this subject a
> little while ago:
>
> I just put in bigger injectors and an S-AFC in my VR-4, and so sat down to
> do some pre-install math. At first I tried the intuitive
> New_Injector_Size/Old_Injector_Size equation, but as I played with it, it
> just didn't seem right. I played around, and decided that when determing
the
> amount of correction the S-AFC should give to compensate for new
injectors,
> the equation looks like this:
>
> c = Correction Percentage
> i = New Injector Size
>
> i + ci = 360
>
> Plug in i for your new injectors, and then solve for c. This will the the
> "mathematically perfect" setting for the S-AFC...in real life, of course,
> it'll need tweaking. A few examples:
>
>
> 450s:
> 450 + (c)450 = 360
> 1 + c = 360/450
> c = .8 - 1
> c = -.2 = -20%
>
> 550s:
> 550 + (c)550 = 360
> 1 + c = 360/550
> c = .66 - 1
> c = -.33 = -33%
>
> 720s:
> 720 + (c)720 = 360
> 1 + c = 360/720
> c = .5 - 1
> c = -.5 = -50%
>
> These calculations for 450s and 550s seem to mesh with the antecdotal
> evidence I've seen. I'm running 450s in my car right now, and after some
> tweaking and tuning I've got mine set at about -21% across the board. I've
> also seen posts from a few people running 550s with the S-AFC, and they
all
> seem to have around -33% as their settings.
>
> The addage of "you can't increase injector size more than 50%" seems to
come
> from doing the math the wrong way.  When you install bigger injectors, you
> actually need the S-AFC to adjust the airflow DOWN, not up, because of the
> higher flow rate of the new injectors.  So actually the rule should be
"your
> original injectors must be at least 50% the size of your new injectors".
>
> The S-AFC is a great little box, and I hate to see it's capabilities sold
> short.
>
> - Brian
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dakken [mailto:dougusmagnus@attbi.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 4:52 PM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: Team3S: Can the Apexi SAFC run 550cc injectors?
> >
> > Simple enough question.  The SAFC can change the air signal
> > to the ECU by
> > +-50%.  Stock 360cc injectors plus 50% would be 540cc.  That
> > would be 10cc
> > more than what the SAFC can theoretically control but
> > supposedly the ECU can
> > handle injectors 10% higher than stock or 396cc injectors.
> > Add 50% and that
> > would equal 594cc.
> >
> > Would there be any negative affects to trying this (Besides running 2%
> > rich)?
> >
> > Has anyone tried this yet?
> >
> > (Yes I know about the ARC2.  I would rather use the SAFC
> > because of its
> > features.)
> >
> > Doug
> > 92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 08:30:16 -0600
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Team3S: Spare tire

Where might I find a replacement spare tire? The wheel is fine but the tire
is BALD!!! Looks like a worn motorcycle slick...

Dealerships have no idea about tires, or at least the one's I've talked
to...

I think I found the solution to lifter tick, BTW. Instead of messing with
oil weight, just install a subwoofer. You will never hear the tick again. Or
anything else for that matter...

- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

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