Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, December 29 2001  Volume 01 : Number 711




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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:25:17 EST
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry

I have a 1991 Dodge Stealth RT Turbo with factory alarm.  Some previous owner installed a DEI keyless entry/alarm, but the two systems are not really compatible. Sometimes, the DEI system will arm the factory alarm, making re-entry into the car embarassing and difficult, if not downright impossible.  I want to retain the functionality of keyless entry, but also have the utility of the factory alarm (igition disable, etc).  I have looked into Ultrastarters.com and Directed Electronics (makers of my existing keyless entry), but have come up empty on a complete system which is compatible with the factory alarm.

My concern is this - I believe that the factory alarm is part of the ECU (which, by the way, I recently repaired with Jeff Lucius' advice on Capacitors - thanks Jeff), so I don't want to monkey with that if I don't have to. 

I can't imagine that I am the first to have come across this problem, so any advice on a compatible alarm/keyless entry system is appreciated.

- -thor

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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:59 EST
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Valve lifter tick/oil pressure.

before I get beat on for asking a question about this somewhat routine problem (i read through the archives), I've done Marty's MMO method as well as removed my valve lifters and cleaned them, but still, they tick. Rather than paying $15 a whack for 24 lifters, is there a service anyone knows of where I could send all of the lifters to be checked for operability?  I've done them all myself before, but the ticking returns.

Also, I have a question regarding oil pressure. I replaced the factory gauges (because mine broke) with autometer analog Water Temp, oil pressure, manifold pressure and fuel pressure gauges, and the oil pressure (taken at the stock factory oil pressure guage location = next to the low oil pressure sensor) reads about 35 psi at 2500 rpm when the engine is warm.  Usually, I figured cars run at 50 psi when warm, but since mitsu used a proprietary guage with no scale, perhaps the oil pressure is fine. Any thoughts on this? What is "normal" oil pressure for a 1st gen DOHC Turbo engine at operating temperature with 10-30 Mobil 1?

Thanks for any advice.


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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:39:21 -0800
From: "Robert Koch" <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: FOR SALE TT HEADS from a 92 stealth TT/RT

I have a pair of TT heads that are in good working order, I would like to
get 350.00 for them and the cam gears are going to be mine (stock...for a
later project) but everything else is there as it was unbolted from the
engine. I guess shipping to be in the 50.00 range for them but either way it
will be the buyers responsibility. I live in WA state so any locals are
welcome to pick them up or might even consider driving half way for an hour
or so.

bob k.


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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:33:39 -0600
From: overclck@ies.net (Cody Graham)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry

I have a somewhat limited knowledge on the factory alarm, but it is not
integrated into the ECU.  The factory alarm cuts power to the ignition
switch when armed via a relay somewhere. 

What you want is to disable the factory alarm entirely, and replace it
with an alarm that features an ignition kill circuit.  Many new alarms
have this, but I would go with a better brand than DEI.  Clifford and
Ungo are some of the best alarms out there.  I picked up an Ungo for
$135 off Ebay that has starter kill, remote start, window features,
extended range antenna, trunk release, all built in.  Of course, all
alarms may require external relays and actuators, but the features are
built into this unit.

- -Cody 

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of ThorHolth@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:25 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry

I have a 1991 Dodge Stealth RT Turbo with factory alarm.  Some previous
owner installed a DEI keyless entry/alarm, but the two systems are not
really compatible. Sometimes, the DEI system will arm the factory alarm,
making re-entry into the car embarassing and difficult, if not downright
impossible.  I want to retain the functionality of keyless entry, but
also have the utility of the factory alarm (igition disable, etc).  I
have looked into Ultrastarters.com and Directed Electronics (makers of
my existing keyless entry), but have come up empty on a complete system
which is compatible with the factory alarm.

My concern is this - I believe that the factory alarm is part of the ECU
(which, by the way, I recently repaired with Jeff Lucius' advice on
Capacitors - thanks Jeff), so I don't want to monkey with that if I
don't have to. 

I can't imagine that I am the first to have come across this problem, so
any advice on a compatible alarm/keyless entry system is appreciated.

- -thor

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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:59:25 -0600
From: "Black, Dave (ICT)" <dblai@allstate.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry

Hi Thor,

I have a Clifford Intelliguard 800 and it has a lot of great features and
seems to work fine with the factory system as long as you never lock or
unlock the doors with the key - use the remote for the Clifford.  It has
ignition disable, internal and external motion sensors, glass breakage
detector (an extra), remote window up/down (an extra good for those hot
days), remote keyless entry, panic, programmable remote, and lots more.  I
bought the alarm in 5/98 for about $400.  I'm sure they have a newer version
with more bells and whistles for the same if not less $$$.

HTH

Dave 95VR4
http://www.daveblack.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ThorHolth@aol.com [SMTP:ThorHolth@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry
>
> I have a 1991 Dodge Stealth RT Turbo with factory alarm.  Some previous
> owner installed a DEI keyless entry/alarm, but the two systems are not
> really compatible. Sometimes, the DEI system will arm the factory alarm,
> making re-entry into the car embarassing and difficult, if not downright
> impossible.  I want to retain the functionality of keyless entry, but also
> have the utility of the factory alarm (igition disable, etc).  I have
> looked into Ultrastarters.com and Directed Electronics (makers of my
> existing keyless entry), but have come up empty on a complete system which
> is compatible with the factory alarm.
>
> My concern is this - I believe that the factory alarm is part of the ECU
> (which, by the way, I recently repaired with Jeff Lucius' advice on
> Capacitors - thanks Jeff), so I don't want to monkey with that if I don't
> have to. 
>
> I can't imagine that I am the first to have come across this problem, so
> any advice on a compatible alarm/keyless entry system is appreciated.
>
> -thor
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:29:13 -0800
From: "Jamie Marzonie" <jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: question for SCCA memebers - disertation

A 1st gen DSM FWD turbo can make up the difference in the straights.. A 1st
gen DSM AWD turbo... "I have brakes????"   It's like taking a 3/S and losing
a few thousand pounds.  A guy I know have the worlds fastest DSM spyder in
San Jose.  AWD convertable nightmare of speed!!!

Oh and BTW... A neon with my same specs was walking on a C5 in the 2
straight sections... NICE!  Too bad a turbo won't be good with a 11.5:1 comp
ratio... unless I add a alcohol injection system.. hmmmm  yummy.  I still
want to get a junked neon and throw a Scooby 2.5 in =).

I really have to get a car that has cheeper parts.. 3/S = $$$$$ Neon = make
it yourself no aftermarket support.


>From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>To: "Jamie Marzonie" <jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>,team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: question for SCCA memebers - disertation
>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:59:12 -0600
>
> >SCCA has done alot for autosport... but I have a few gripes about how
>they
>conduct business at times.
>
>I saw them ruin pro rallying, so pray they don't discover open tracking.
>
> >On the "shitbox" theory... ever see a neon pass an NXS... I have =).  The
> >Stealth is fun to race and hit the twisties with... but in all honesty..
>the
> >3/S are made as touring cars.  I'll run my neon around the Stealth at
> >Thunderhill all day... Neon = Go Cart.. just add slicks (a race engine
>helps
> >too!)
>
>I ran up against a race-prepped Neon at Blackhawk Farms. We were even
>through the twisty bits, but the VR4 engine just flat ran him down on the
>straights. Without a suitable straightaway, it would be tough to catch a
>well-driven Neon. Same with race-prepped 914 Porsches and Mini Coopers,
>which seem to have no need to brake before corners. Lots of folks in little
>shitbox cars go very, very fast out there, even though they may be 30 mph
>slower on long straights.
>
>I have great hopes for my shitbox Talon. It may yet replace the VR4 as my
>track car if things work out.
>
>Rich/slow old poop
>
>
>  >


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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:47:56 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Neons

>Oh and BTW... A neon with my same specs was walking on a C5 in the 2
>straight sections... NICE! 

When cars are evenly matched --i.e.,  fast car (C5) with slow driver and
fast driver in slower car (Neon)-- the better driver can exit the turn onto
the straight at a much higher speed and make up for lack of higher top end
by catching and passing the faster car before it can build up speed. For
example, I was keeping ahead of a relatively new driver in a Cobra R at
Road America, even though he was hitting 170 on the straights and I was
only at 125 or so. It looked like a rocket ship bearing down on me, but he
never did get close enuf to pass. I could walk away in the twisty bits, and
he'd close up on the straights. That same guy is now an instructor, and no
doubt will blow my doors off next time we meet. If you see a black VR4 with
no doors, you'll know I met the R again.

Rich/slow old poop

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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:00:41 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: question for SCCA memebers - disertation

I didn't get the original message shown below so I'm not sure who sent it
but I've run Thunder hill in my Stealth TT and after the first day I was passed
only by race prepped cars ---- I passed M3's, Porches and a Viper [ I don't
think it was well driven ].

What kind of times did you turn at Thunderhill in your Neon --- since I didn't
see the origional message I don't know if the Neon you're talking about is
race prepped or not.

        Jim Berry
=================================================


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: Jamie Marzonie <jsmarzonie@hotmail.com>; <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>

> >On the "shitbox" theory... ever see a neon pass an NXS... I have =).  The
> >Stealth is fun to race and hit the twisties with... but in all honesty.. the
> >3/S are made as touring cars.  I'll run my neon around the Stealth at
> >Thunderhill all day... Neon = Go Cart.. just add slicks (a race engine helps
> >too!)



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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:09:52 -0700
From: "Will Fortenberry" <BigWill_VR4@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry

Thor,

I just left the factory alarm system and bought the factory keyless entry
remote. Supposedly, all TT's came with keyless entry from the factory. Check
daveblack.net for info on your year/model's options or check for a box the
says "OMRON" inside the left rear panel (next to the 6x9). That is what
controls the keyless entry.
I ordered mine from Bill Siedle's Mitsu for $40 shipped. Contact info,
pictures, and programming info (took 15 minutes) can be found at
http://www.team3s.com/FAQkeyless.htm

Will
94 VR-4




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Date: 28 Dec 2001 20:34:04 -0800
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: Thanks for advice, I bought a Hemet.

Thanks for all of the advice, I Bought a helmet yesterday, It is a closed face but I will probably unbolt the visor and save it for if I ever go carting.

http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/helmets/helmetset.html

It was a Simpson Voyager $370 after taxes. I could have got it cheaper over the internet but I spent over an hour at Lane automotive trying different helmets. W/O talking to them I NEVER would have bought the right size.

I didn't buy the Bell M2 that I was looking at because My head dropped in between 2 sizes.  The Simpson had several more sizes.

I put a helmet on that felt right (7 5/8) and the salesman took one look at me and said "WAY to small". I kept going down a size at a time; 4 sizes later he says "yep a 7 1/4 looks right".

I'm thinking I will have migrain in 2 minutes wearing this thing he's got to be crazy! But the next size up moves around too much.

He convinces me it the right size so I buy it. 5 miles from home I put it on and wear it for the rest of the drive. It felt a little better but I am thinking I've still screwed up.

The Salesman claimed that the liner gives so it should feel too tight, but sweat in it once good and it will fit perfect. I am starting to think about the shoe salesman lie "Oh don't worry you just have to break them in" but decide to give it a try.

So after the wife goes to bed I put it on and go to work in the garage moving crap to make room for winter storage of the VR-4. 1/2 hour later my head is sweating and the helmet feels tight but not painful.

I think I actually bought the right size

John Monnin
1991 VR-4
4-bolt main coversion



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Date: 28 Dec 2001 21:03:32 -0800
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: Solo I Vs Solo II and 2002 National gathering

I think that autocross definately has SOME advantages over large road courses.  I would love to drive a large road course but the nearest one is Gingerman in Michican and they want between $300 and $400 for a partial day with and instructor.  W/O the instructor I am not allowed on the track.  Autocrossing only costs me $17.

I like to think of autocrossing as being similar to golf.  I am trying to beat myself.  I probably never going to be the best player on the course but I will be happy to make improvements.  It also relates to real world drive driving in some ways.  I can now handle a 4 wheel drift much better and I now know exactly how hard I can brake and turn w/o lossing control. 

A serious negative about autocrossing is that it is dominated by little cars so the course designers tend to make the courses very tight.  Seeing some stock probe lift a wheel in the corners and beat your best time is like having a pro golfer that gets to golf from the RED tees in your 4-some, just depressing.

When there is a power course with longer straight aways and bigger turns it is fun to shock people with what top speeds you can hit, but these are rare.

P.S.  please pre-register(no commitment necessary) for the 2002 Stealth 3000GT national gathering in August.  The track day at the Gingerman is going to be the most difficult event to organize because of high costs and current low interest. The autocross and Dragrace will be cool but I would really like to try the road course. I am challenging the road racers to E-mail the 2002 gathering administrator and let him know that you are interested in a day at the Gingerman.

Email him at 3sng@audio-production.com

See national Gathering website for more details

http://www.3snationalgathering.com/

John Monnin
1991 V-4
4-bolt main conversion


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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:26:05 -0600
From: "Todd D.Shelton" <tds@brightok.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Minimum Mods needed to safely run over 15lbs. boost?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jannusch, Matt <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To: Team3s (E-mail) <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Minimum Mods needed to safely run over 15lbs. boost?


>> Is that all I will need to run past 1.0 bar safely?
>
>You can run over 1.0 bar safely if you use racing fuel, or 100 octane
>unleaded.  Either that or you need something else to perform
>knock/detonation control like water/alcohol injection or a fuel controller
>and larger injectors to be able to use fuel to cool the cylinders.  Moving
a
>step colder on the spark plugs will help some too.
>
>Since you have a '95 you might want to consider something like an MSD Knock
>Alert so that you have a better idea how much knock you are getting.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------------------

As mentioned - a way to monitor knock is critical.  Fortunately, I am
able to use the TMO datalogger.  After the last year of numerous logging
sessions, I have come to the conclusion that knock counts at various
boost levels change from day to day.  What works on one day may
be different a few days later.  This seems to be even more important
at 1+ bar since the consequences of "getting it wrong" can be so
much more severe.  It appears that outside/ambient air changes
can cause differences.  It also appears that changes in pump fuel
makes a difference.  (fuel content is changed depending on the
season, area of the country etc by the refineries)  Add to this
various settings that may be available (fuel/injector settings,
manual timing changes, alcohol or water injector setup and
volume, load, gear used, temp of motor and recent activity
etc)  and specific setup (turbo type, intercoolers etc
and there is just no way of knowing exactly what you will see
on any particular day (or night) without checking. (logging)
The ol' Mitsu ECU may also be playing a role
in all of this?

I seem to have an even more difficult challenge running
as much boost as I would like whenever I like with
91 max octane.

A few items that seem to help keep knock supressed
the most include: fuel octane, alc inj,  intercooler
efficiency/heat soaking, cooler ambient air and
cooler overall motor temp. (not making hard runs
close together - allowcool down periods)

I've found ambient temp to be somewhat of a mixed bag
in that cooler temps help prevent knock since inlet
temps are reduced and intercooler efficiency is
enhanced but at the same time cooler air is more
dense and higher boost levels may present more
problems than hotter ambient temps at same
boost.  (that was a long sentence)

The good thing seems to be that it doesn't
require as high of a boost setting with cold
ambient temps/denser air to make the same
HP as higher boost settings with high ambient
 temps.

There also seems to be a point where ambient
temp becomes high enough where knock will
occur before boost can be increased enough
to match power output of cooler ambient temps.

It's been several years since I've played
with racing fuel but 15 psi shouldn't be any
problem with 100 octane.  Of course there
is none of that to be found here ...


- - tds


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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 02:49:46 -0500
From: "Bill vP" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry

Is this true of all tt 3/S ?  Or just 2nd gen VR4s?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Will Fortenberry <BigWill_VR4@hotmail.com>
To: <ThorHolth@aol.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need new alarm/keyless entry


> Thor,
>
> I just left the factory alarm system and bought the factory keyless entry
> remote. Supposedly, all TT's came with keyless entry from the factory.
Check
> daveblack.net for info on your year/model's options or check for a box the
> says "OMRON" inside the left rear panel (next to the 6x9). That is what
> controls the keyless entry.
> I ordered mine from Bill Siedle's Mitsu for $40 shipped. Contact info,
> pictures, and programming info (took 15 minutes) can be found at
> http://www.team3s.com/FAQkeyless.htm
>
> Will
> 94 VR-4
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:18:45 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: question for SCCA memebers

Notice--the guys that got their feelings hurt by Merritt own these little
underpowered shitboxes JK!

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: 'Dave Monarchi' <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>; Merritt
<merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: question for SCCA memebers


>As a former owner of a Mitsu GSX, I can say that Rich, a CURRENT owner of a
>GSX, is well-qualified to use the term "littel go-kart-like turbo
>shitboxes"!
>
>Come on Dave, lighten up!
>
>The technical content is that there are different kinds of AutoX events,
and
>that the setup for the course makes a big difference in which cars are most
>successful in negotiating the course.  I think I would rather compete in a
>3000GT on the course set up for Corvettes than for little cars, if I was
>into competition and such.
>
>BTW some of the most interesting road course events I've been to have been
>Dealer events - John Eagle Honda, where you had everything from a Civic to
>an S2000 running on the course.  Funny thing is that there are road course
>configurations that are biased to little cars, too.  The short course at
TWS
>is made for a Miata, except of course the front straight.
>
>Chuck
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Monarchi [SMTP:monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:32 PM
>> To: Merritt
>> Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>> Subject: Re: Team3S: question for SCCA memebers
>>
>>
>> --------
>>
>> +> You don't want to go play with the SCCA and their kiddycars. They set
>> their
>> +> autocourses up for mostly first gear running on postage-stamp parking
>> lots,
>> +> so little go-kart-like turbo shitboxes (Omni GLH turbos, etc) rule the
>> roost
>> <snip>
>>
>> hmm..  I think I take offense to this..  I generally enjoy your road
>> racing
>> posts, but negative crap like this just turns me off..  I've always
wanted
>> to get into road course stuff, but if that's the general attitude of your
>> group, I'm not even remotely interested.
>>
>> why must so many people beat their chest and talk shit about what
>> interests
>> others.  god forbid if I owned a "hon-DUH".  oh, wait I have.  many.
>> actually about 40 cars so far in my comparatively short driving time.
>> loved them all.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> 95 Black 3000GT VR4
>> 87 Mica Red GTI G60 (go-kart-like supercharged shitbox kiddycar)
>>
>> http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~monarchd/cars.html
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:59:19 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Solo I Vs Solo II and 2002 National gathering

I took a look at the Gingerman schedule and see that the Alpha club, Porsche club and
Mustang club all have events scheduled ---- almost all clubs allow you to sign up and
run at their event. The local Alpha club  [ southern California ] has two day events with
3 or 4 levels of experience for about $200 for two days --- probably $125 for 1 day.
Almost all clubs have instructors available and many have beginners classes with
classroom and track time.

I haven't run AutoX and have no desire to do so in my overweight, overpowered
touring car [ big old luxury shitbox ]----- a big roadcourse on the other hand is a ball.
In addition you get more track time which is what I'm there for. All I lack is large
sums of money and time to spend on my car and for more track time. The closest
track to me is about 2½ hours and I've driven 10 hours for a weekend of track time.

Look harder, I'm sure you can find something.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>

> I think that autocross definately has SOME advantages over large road courses.  I would love to drive a large road course but the
nearest one is Gingerman in Michican and they want between $300 and $400 for a partial day with and instructor.  W/O the instructor
I am not allowed on the track.  Autocrossing only costs me $17.



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