Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Monday, September 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 613

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:48:49 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

No one has indicated if this thread is with just NA cars, or has someone
tried the application with TT's??

Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:02:58 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

This is ONLY capable on the NA cars since they have a big gaping hole in the
engine bay down to the ground. On the TT cars there is some extra IC piping
here and a bunch of other crap. Just try to picture an additional 3" pipe
going from the filter down the left front of the engine bay to the front --
it just won't fit.

I have seen it about three or four times and all were on an NA car. Maybe
because on the TT car the same $300 can be spent on a boost controller to
give you the same added performance.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darc
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:49 AM

No one has indicated if this thread is with just NA cars, or has someone
tried the application with TT's??

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:14:26 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

> This is ONLY capable on the NA cars since they have a big gaping hole in
the
> engine bay down to the ground. On the TT cars there is some extra IC
piping
> here and a bunch of other crap. ...snip

The "bunch of other crap is an understatement" ;-)) However, I was
wondering about the unused tunnel-like area where the snout of the stock
TT airbox stuck out towards the front (once removed for a K&N) and if
anyone had played with that hidden small piece of engine bay real estate in
the TT?

Darc

92TT

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:32:04 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

Not sure Darc. There just ain't any room. You have the fuse box which is
right on top of the inner fender well then you have the back of the
headlight. The you have the intercooler piping to run into and the
intercooler itself.

In the first pic you see my engine ant the IC pipes diving down next to the
fuse box in the front left of the picture. In the second picture you see
all the empty space where these IC pipes usually reside. This is where the
eRam pipes dive down to the ground usually.

http://www.geocities.com/ecg2k1hooters/imagepages/image37.html
http://www.geocities.com/ecg2k1hooters/imagepages/image67.html

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darc [mailto:wce@telus.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:14 PM
To: Team3S; dschilberg@pobox.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

The "bunch of other crap is an understatement" ;-)) However, I was
wondering about the unused tunnel-like area where the snout of the stock
TT airbox stuck out towards the front (once removed for a K&N) and if
anyone had played with that hidden small piece of engine bay real estate in
the TT?

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:45:26 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

This link http://www.chrismore.com/graphics/cold_air_3000gt.jpg is to a
picture that shows that with some creativity anyone can find plenty of room
in the TT underhood. And it is possible to find plenty of space for an eRAM
there too. Just moving the battery to the trunk frees up enough room for
two more Garrett turbos! Check this one out
http://www.team3s.com/FAQ-1KhpVR4.htm

My only hesitation is that the eRAM website says that on 5.0L+ engines eRAM
is not very effective. They advise to install two of them in parallel not
to choke the big engine. Our 3.0L TT cars consume just as much air as 5.0L
NA's. Does it means that if you want Super-eRAM than you need to have four
motors there. Then you might need to install another battery too just to
power those four bastards!

Philip
'95 Red R/T TT

At 11:32 AM 09/16/01, Darren Schilberg wrote:
>Not sure Darc. There just ain't any room. You have the fuse box which is
>right on top of the inner fender well then you have the back of the
>headlight. The you have the intercooler piping to run into and the
>intercooler itself.
>
>In the first pic you see my engine ant the IC pipes diving down next to the
>fuse box in the front left of the picture. In the second picture you see
>all the empty space where these IC pipes usually reside. This is where the
>eRam pipes dive down to the ground usually.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/ecg2k1hooters/imagepages/image37.html
>http://www.geocities.com/ecg2k1hooters/imagepages/image67.html
>
>--Flash!
>1995 VR-4

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:49:42 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

> Not sure Darc. There just ain't any room.

More importantly than the lack of room, in the TT cars there is no need for
a device like this because you have something better - a pair of turbos...

Oskar

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:56:03 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

Agreed. But if these are stock turbos then they are not big enough to feed
all the air needed at 5000+ rpm.

Philip

At 11:49 AM 09/16/01, Oskar wrote:
> > Not sure Darc. There just ain't any room.
>
>More importantly than the lack of room, in the TT cars there is no need for
>a device like this because you have something better - a pair of turbos...
>
>Oskar

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:08:20 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

The Eram provides 1 pound or less of boost, the turbos provide 15 pounds,
which would you rather have. The Eram provides 300 cfm of air at it's rated
½ pound or so of boost --- the 3 liter engine requires around 700 cfm at 15
pounds of boost and 7000 rpm ---- the Eram would only act as a restriction
to air flow.

Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Darc <wce@telus.net>
To: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

> No one has indicated if this thread is with just NA cars, or has someone
> tried the application with TT's??
>
> Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

No way in hades any "fan" is gonna move more air than the turbo.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Darc wrote:

> No one has indicated if this thread is with just NA cars, or has someone
> tried the application with TT's??
>
> Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:02:09 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

Hrmmm...certainly this musing not meant to replace the psi of turbos, but I
was thinking out loud about providing more air flow via the airbox snorkel
tunnel to the a MAS. Given all feedback, not a worthwhile venture IMHO.

Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:57:30 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

I've considered using it to cool my rotors --- I talked to the manufacturer
about buying a device with a lower airflow and a higher duty cycle. They
said no problem, they could provide a modified version which could be
run for a minute at a time if necessary. A little pricey for brake cooling
but they do put out a good volume of air ---- we'll see, maybe to go with
my carbon/carbon brake setup.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Darc <wce@telus.net>
To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

> Hrmmm...certainly this musing not meant to replace the psi of turbos, but I
> was thinking out loud about providing more air flow via the airbox snorkel
> tunnel to the a MAS. Given all feedback, not a worthwhile venture IMHO.
>
> Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:21:53 -0000
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

Many months ago we finally came to the conclusion that an eram or other
thing becomes a restriciton in upper region for cars that need high airflow
(on high boost).

Of course, no facts but I dod not see that the hassle is worth for such a
mod.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Cc: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

> No way in hades any "fan" is gonna move more air than the turbo.
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Darc wrote:
>
> > No one has indicated if this thread is with just NA cars, or has
someone
> > tried the application with TT's??
> >
> > Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:24:44 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <apedenko@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: xenon drop-ins

Hi all,

    I recently bought StreetGlow Xenon drop-ins for my low beams and fog
lights. The stock wattage is 55W for both. The StreetGlows are 85 for the
low beams and 100 for the fog lights. The question is am I slowly frying my
electrical system. I've had them for about a month now and I noticed a
buzzing coming from the fuse box. I was wondering if that was something
overheating, or getting ready to toast my car a little. I'd appreciate any
suggestions.

BTW, I was told that PIA(?) has dropins that use the same wattage, but are
brighter than the 85W street glows. Any truth to this?

    Thanks,
        Alex.

'95 VR4

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

Jim..funny that..but..like I said, most likely you'll do doing anything
you can you keep em hot, not cool them down.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Jim Berry wrote:

> I've considered using it to cool my rotors --- I talked to the manufacturer
> about buying a device with a lower airflow and a higher duty cycle. They
> said no problem, they could provide a modified version which could be
> run for a minute at a time if necessary. A little pricey for brake cooling
> but they do put out a good volume of air ---- we'll see, maybe to go with
> my carbon/carbon brake setup.
>
>         Jim Berry
> ====================================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darc <wce@telus.net>
> To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience
>
> > Hrmmm...certainly this musing not meant to replace the psi of turbos, but I
> > was thinking out loud about providing more air flow via the airbox snorkel
> > tunnel to the a MAS. Given all feedback, not a worthwhile venture IMHO.
> >
> > Darc

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:05:41 EDT
From: DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: xenon drop-ins

>     I recently bought StreetGlow Xenon drop-ins for my low beams and fog
> lights. The stock wattage is 55W for both. The StreetGlows are 85 for the
> low beams and 100 for the fog lights. The question is am I slowly frying my
> electrical system. I've had them for about a month now and I noticed a
> buzzing coming from the fuse box. I was wondering if that was something
> overheating, or getting ready to toast my car a little. I'd appreciate any
> suggestions.
Ever put a 100 Watt bulb in a 60 Watt bulb fixture? Not good. The fog
lights should use no more than 55 Watts and the stock headlights are less
than 85 I'm sure.

> BTW, I was told that PIA(?) has dropins that use the same wattage, but are
> brighter than the 85W street glows. Any truth to this?
PIAA. They are brighter, but its because of the lense. To get a PIAA lense
kit, it's very expensive.
Good luck,

- -Paul - 3Si1127
1992 Green RT/TT
    K&N FIPK & Re-gapped plugs(0.034")
    Porterfield Cryo-Treated Rotors, R-4S Pads, & SS lines
    Greddy Profec Boost Controller @ .9 Bar
    Custom 3" Exhaust
www.DiabloCarAudio.com, www.DiabloEnterprises.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: xenon drop-ins

That buzzing coule very well be your wiring being very unhappy with the
higher current.

NEVER add higher wattage bulbs to OEM wiring.

FYI: An enterprising owner of a 2001 Jeep Gr. Cherokee like mine came up
with the 'bright' idea of developing a plug-in wiring upgrade for the
headlights..and sells the hell out of it. As proof, he even shows 10-15%
MORE current at the bulbs because of it. OEM wiring sucks on most
vehicles.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 DiABLoCarAudio@aol.com wrote:

> >     I recently bought StreetGlow Xenon drop-ins for my low beams and fog
> > lights. The stock wattage is 55W for both. The StreetGlows are 85 for the
> > low beams and 100 for the fog lights. The question is am I slowly frying my
> > electrical system. I've had them for about a month now and I noticed a
> > buzzing coming from the fuse box. I was wondering if that was something
> > overheating, or getting ready to toast my car a little. I'd appreciate any
> > suggestions.
> Ever put a 100 Watt bulb in a 60 Watt bulb fixture? Not good. The fog
> lights should use no more than 55 Watts and the stock headlights are less
> than 85 I'm sure.
>
> > BTW, I was told that PIA(?) has dropins that use the same wattage, but are
> > brighter than the 85W street glows. Any truth to this?
> PIAA. They are brighter, but its because of the lense. To get a PIAA lense
> kit, it's very expensive.
> Good luck,
>
> -Paul - 3Si1127
> 1992 Green RT/TT
>     K&N FIPK & Re-gapped plugs(0.034")
>     Porterfield Cryo-Treated Rotors, R-4S Pads, & SS lines
>     Greddy Profec Boost Controller @ .9 Bar
>     Custom 3" Exhaust
> www.DiabloCarAudio.com, www.DiabloEnterprises.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

If we have caliper issues, air wont fix it. A recirculating brake fluid
system -will-.

Not difficult to engineer or install if you're handy with a line bender.

Need a handful of 1-way pressure valves, and some brakeline.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Jim Berry wrote:

> Geoff
>
> I sure hope that's the case ---- but I'll bet you a nickle that we have caliper
> cooling problems with the carbon/carbon setup, espically with the more
> aggressive drivers [ Geoff, Merritt, Flash ].Us smooth as glass types [ read
> as old and slow ] will only have to worry about tires overheating.
>
> I guess if you're going to come up with the carbon/carbon fronts I'll have to
> figure a way to put my stock fronts on the rear and make the back stop as
> well as the front.
>
>         Jim Berry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>
>
> > Jim..funny that..but..like I said, most likely you'll do doing anything
> > you can you keep em hot, not cool them down.
> >
> > On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Jim Berry wrote:
> >
> > > I've considered using it to cool my rotors --- I talked to the manufacturer
> > > about buying a device with a lower airflow and a higher duty cycle. They
> > > said no problem, they could provide a modified version which could be
> > > run for a minute at a time if necessary. A little pricey for brake cooling
> > > but they do put out a good volume of air ---- we'll see, maybe to go with
> > > my carbon/carbon brake setup.
> > >
> > >         Jim Berry

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:56:20 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: car cover

Anybody with info on a top quality car cover --- I've done some
looking and find Sunbrella and Weatherguard seem to be on the top
of the heap. My main requirement is protection from the California
sun.

I looked in the archives and found little info, somebody must use
them.

Comments anyone.

        Jim Berry

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:53:38 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: eRAM or Super-eRAM Experience

Geoff

I sure hope that's the case ---- but I'll bet you a nickle that we have caliper
cooling problems with the carbon/carbon setup, espically with the more
aggressive drivers [ Geoff, Merritt, Flash ].Us smooth as glass types [ read
as old and slow ] will only have to worry about tires overheating.

I guess if you're going to come up with the carbon/carbon fronts I'll have to
figure a way to put my stock fronts on the rear and make the back stop as
well as the front.

        Jim Berry

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>

> Jim..funny that..but..like I said, most likely you'll do doing anything
> you can you keep em hot, not cool them down.
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Jim Berry wrote:
>
> > I've considered using it to cool my rotors --- I talked to the manufacturer
> > about buying a device with a lower airflow and a higher duty cycle. They
> > said no problem, they could provide a modified version which could be
> > run for a minute at a time if necessary. A little pricey for brake cooling
> > but they do put out a good volume of air ---- we'll see, maybe to go with
> > my carbon/carbon brake setup.
> >
> >         Jim Berry

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:28:50 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Putnam Park Track Report

This was my first track day with the big reds. Needless to say, I was not
dissapointed. In one mod, I can drive the track with max braking corner
after corner with little or no fade. The big red promise is true. I
decided to dial up the 13G's to 18psi as my EGT's were running all day just
below 900C. My hand was somewhat forced by another driver in C class with a
Shelby GT 500 who I was hounding thru the turns but wanted to drag race down
the front straight. After turning up the boost, I wasn't able to really
pull him until we hit 100+. I had the pleasure (or lack thereof), of seeing
a 993 twin turbo spin into the barrier coming off the last turn onto the
front straight in A class. It's not everyday you get to see someone taking
a crow bar to there 100K+ Porsche to peel away there rear fender from the
wheel. Otherwise the car performed beautifully. Thanks a million to Oskar
for supplying the 15mm front spacers. Oh ya, my 8yr old timing belt is
still hanging in there.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT/OTB (original timing belt)

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:48:44 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Run Groups

I'm hoping to get some feed back from some of the more experienced open
trackers. I believe our cars have the ability to make less experienced
drivers like myself appear to be much faster than we would be in most other
cars. As a result, my last two sessions in C class have had me trying
everything, including re-pitting and slowing down to let the cars in front
of me get some distance, in order to get some hot laps in. I don't claim to
be that capable, there are usually two or three others in C group with the
same problem, (although I've yet to get the chance to dice it out with
someone). I've only got 5 track days under my belt so I'm reluctant to
request moving into B class. I find it hard to progress when I'm stuck
behind traffic most of the time. I'm not sure whether to be patient or to
start requesting B class.
BTW, this weekends instructor told me a student is most likely to spin at
the time between 3 and 5 schools. Ahhh ya, that would be me.

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:11:43 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Putnam Park Track Report

Congrats, Dave. Welcome to the Big Leagues. You will get better and better
at it and thanks for the report. What club? One or two days? Did you
bleed the brakes? Fluid? SS lines? Pads? Do tell.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4, Big Reds, Pagid Orange, Motul 600, SS lines.

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:37:40 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Run Groups

Dave,

   Yes our cars are VERY forgiving. I was once at Mid-Ohio at the section
called "Madness." It is the section after the back straight where it goes
up and to the left and then dives back down hill again. The trick is that
the car gets light going up and over this hill and you need to make a
directional change to the left. Lots of fun for those RWD cars (not).
   Anyway, I lifted the first time through and the instructor said that in
any normal car I should have done about two or three spins. He mentioned
how the AWD kept us glued to the road if I lifted, got back on the throttle,
made abrupt steering input, etc. It seemed that no matter what I did I was
staying held onto the track. But there are things to learn but it all takes
seat time and is harder to teach but easier to "feel" and experience.
   Yes we have all been the speedbump and the rabbit in the run group. When
I am with slower cars then I let them actually pull away on the straights so
I can practice braking and corners and then catch up to them. Then repeat
the steps. Sometimes I pass them also. The course workers just don't like
to see you on a bumper for half the track so just hang back when you aren't
in a passing zone and don't get the course workers mad or you won't be back
with that group since they will think you are racing and not driving.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: bdtrent
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:49 PM

I'm hoping to get some feed back from some of the more experienced open
trackers. I believe our cars have the ability to make less experienced
drivers like myself appear to be much faster than we would be in most other
cars. As a result, my last two sessions in C class have had me trying
everything, including re-pitting and slowing down to let the cars in front
of me get some distance, in order to get some hot laps in. I don't claim to
be that capable, there are usually two or three others in C group with the
same problem, (although I've yet to get the chance to dice it out with
someone). I've only got 5 track days under my belt so I'm reluctant to
request moving into B class. I find it hard to progress when I'm stuck
behind traffic most of the time. I'm not sure whether to be patient or to
start requesting B class.
BTW, this weekends instructor told me a student is most likely to spin at
the time between 3 and 5 schools. Ahhh ya, that would be me.

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Run Groups

Regardless of how forgiving the cars might be, remember that a relatively
experienced driver -did- wad his car up here in California at an event.

NEVER look at an open track event as racing, never consider yourself as
"being too fast" for the group you are in and comfortable with.

Learn how to drive a track..not just the car. 'Slow down till it hurts'
is a great way to really learn how to drive a track.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Darren Schilberg wrote:

> Dave,
>
>    Yes our cars are VERY forgiving. I was once at Mid-Ohio at the section
> called "Madness." It is the section after the back straight where it goes
> up and to the left and then dives back down hill again. The trick is that
> the car gets light going up and over this hill and you need to make a
> directional change to the left. Lots of fun for those RWD cars (not).
>    Anyway, I lifted the first time through and the instructor said that in
> any normal car I should have done about two or three spins. He mentioned
> how the AWD kept us glued to the road if I lifted, got back on the throttle,
> made abrupt steering input, etc. It seemed that no matter what I did I was
> staying held onto the track. But there are things to learn but it all takes
> seat time and is harder to teach but easier to "feel" and experience.
>    Yes we have all been the speedbump and the rabbit in the run group. When
> I am with slower cars then I let them actually pull away on the straights so
> I can practice braking and corners and then catch up to them. Then repeat
> the steps. Sometimes I pass them also. The course workers just don't like
> to see you on a bumper for half the track so just hang back when you aren't
> in a passing zone and don't get the course workers mad or you won't be back
> with that group since they will think you are racing and not driving.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bdtrent
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:49 PM
>
> I'm hoping to get some feed back from some of the more experienced open
> trackers. I believe our cars have the ability to make less experienced
> drivers like myself appear to be much faster than we would be in most other
> cars. As a result, my last two sessions in C class have had me trying
> everything, including re-pitting and slowing down to let the cars in front
> of me get some distance, in order to get some hot laps in. I don't claim to
> be that capable, there are usually two or three others in C group with the
> same problem, (although I've yet to get the chance to dice it out with
> someone). I've only got 5 track days under my belt so I'm reluctant to
> request moving into B class. I find it hard to progress when I'm stuck
> behind traffic most of the time. I'm not sure whether to be patient or to
> start requesting B class.
> BTW, this weekends instructor told me a student is most likely to spin at
> the time between 3 and 5 schools. Ahhh ya, that would be me.

* Porterfield Brake Wholesaler..just ask! *

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Run Groups

Hi Dave,

Congrats on the seat time.

Regardless of the run group, you'll find caravans of
cars. Some people like to run that way. Not me.

If I come up on a pack, I'll pit or if its near the
end of the session, I'll just hang back on a straight
and practice going fast in the corners.

If a pack catches me, I just let them by.

That way you can practice your own line and not pick
up bad habits from others.

Putnam is a fun track..just wish it wasn't soooo far
from Pittsburgh. I can see how the 993 got tail happy
just before the front straight. The TT loves that set
of corners--you can do a 4 wheel drift there.

BTW you are eventually going to have an off track
experience, just try to pick a grassy spot not Armco
or concrete. (-:)

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- bdtrent <bdtrent@netzero.net> wrote:
> I'm hoping to get some feed back from some of the
> more experienced open
> trackers. I believe our cars have the ability to
> make less experienced
> drivers like myself appear to be much faster than we
> would be in most other
> cars. As a result, my last two sessions in C class
> have had me trying
> everything, including re-pitting and slowing down to
> let the cars in front
> of me get some distance, in order to get some hot
> laps in. I don't claim to
> be that capable, there are usually two or three
> others in C group with the
> same problem, (although I've yet to get the chance
> to dice it out with
> someone). I've only got 5 track days under my belt
> so I'm reluctant to
> request moving into B class. I find it hard to
> progress when I'm stuck
> behind traffic most of the time. I'm not sure
> whether to be patient or to
> start requesting B class.
> BTW, this weekends instructor told me a student is
> most likely to spin at
> the time between 3 and 5 schools. Ahhh ya, that
> would be me.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH 5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 01:44:14 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Run Groups

Line up first on the grid.
That will put you ahead of the pack until you catch the backmarkers.

Rich

A>. I find it hard to progress when I'm stuck
>behind traffic most of the time. I'm not sure whether to be patient or to
>start requesting B class.

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:14:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: geordon@voyager.net
Subject: Team3S: Only drained 2 qts engine oil during change!

I finally became educated about synthetic oil, and did my first oil
change on my '92 Stealth R/T TT. I drained a quart, added a quart of
Gunk engine flush, idled for 7 or 8 minutes, then removed the drain
plug and oil filter. All I got out was 2 more quarts (including oil
from the filter)! The oil level on the stick looked fine before I
started. I lowered my jack in the front and raised the rear corner to
see if that would help. Still no big rush of oil. I turned the motor
over a couple of times, but no luck. I even let the car just sit on
all four on my nearly-level garage pad for a while.

So I filled a new filter with Mobil 1 10W30, replaced the plug, and
poured in 3 quarts of new oil. It now looks like my oil level is high
on the stick. My oil pressure is now usually between half and 2/3 on
the gauge. I am nervous about running too long in this condition, as I
probably have 3 quarts of Mobil 1, 2 quarts of Valvoline dino, and an
unknown amount of Gunk running through my engine.

Can anyone offer any advise on what I should do now?

Thanks,

Geordon

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