Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Tuesday, September 4 2001  Volume 01 : Number 599




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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:01:35 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Hub Removal

> Well, it's not complicated, but you need the right tools,
> and some time.  Will probably need a long lever arm of
> some kind to lock the front axle from turning when you
> unscrew the main axle nut.

You can just jam a screwdriver in the cooling vanes of the brake rotors and
turn the rotor until the screwdriver is jammed up against the brake caliper.
Works fine, and I've done it on several 3/S and DSM cars with no ill
effects.  Almost all have required use of a 24" or longer breaker bar to get
the nut off, however.

The "proper" way is to take the nuts off is to remove the center caps from
your two front wheels and put the wheels back on and lower the car to the
ground and then crank on the nuts through the center cap holes.  That's
pretty much a waste of time compared to the screwdriver method.

I've encountered a couple cars where the splines on the hub are so rusted to
the splines on the halfshafts that they simply can't be removed without
risking damaging something.  That really sucks....  (Or I just need a bigger
hammer?)

An interesting thing I found out this weekend while replacing a couple
tranny seals on a '98 3000GT SL was that you can actually get the axles out
of the tranny without removing the axles from either wheel hub.  His were so
rusted to the hubs that I got desperate enough to try finishing the job
without removing the axles completely from the car.  Its tight, but you can
get them out by only disconnecting the struts and the tie rod end balljoint.
Don't know if that would work on an AWD vehicle, but the dimensions of the
axles and tranny seemed very similar to the Getrag setup.

Now if only there was a better way to get the darn driver's side halfshaft
carrier bearing support unbolted/bolted....  Whoever designed these cars has
way smaller and more agile hands than I do!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:31:51 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trivia 2

Here in Europe Mitsu speaks of 5 years although they check the belts on
every inspection for cracks or bad signs. If then the belt fails it is
their warranty that has to cover the damage if the client was not informed
by the mechanic (written on the bill). They also say that the timing belt
is always under stress even the engine is not running and the rubber looses
it's flexibility and becomes harder so it will tend to create cracks.

Interestinlgy they do not speak of the tensioner pulley but more of the
tensioner itselfs as it seems a more critical part in this area. IMHO,
doing a limited 60k service, only the belt tensioner and pulley is what I'd
change.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


>I asked my dealer the same question a year ago.  He didn't have an
>answer, so he contacted the belt manufacturer.  They recommended a
>belt change of 5-7 years - 5 years if weather extremes are
>encountered, with an absolute maximum of 7 years for milder
>environments.  My '94 Stealth is definitely due, even at 25,000 miles
>(40k Km).  Although countless members have encountered no problems
>even at 10 years on the original belt, you know how pricey it can be
>if it suddenly fails.  Both our cars are on borrowed time, IMO...
>Let's do the 60k now, Darc.  I was just looking at Rich's 60k page
>this weekend.  :-)  www.Team3S.com/60k.htm
>
>Best,
>
>Forrest

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:30:46 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hesitation...again

how did you test your TPS?  Basically, you have to connect it to an analog
ohmmeter in order to see the problem that causes hesitation.  The resistance
doesn't increase smoothly as you rotate it.  Instead it has discontinuities.
You are unlikely to see this with a digital ohmmeter, and you are also
likely to attribute the discontinuities to a "bad connection" with your
ohmmeter leads.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D. Crose [SMTP:ncsu4me@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Hesitation...again
>
> My car is still experiencing hesitation between 2-3,000 rpm.  I have
> looked
> through quite a few of the archived posts and most of the hesitation
> problems were diagnosed as TPS sensor failure.  I finally got around to
> checking my TPS sensor and it was in spec.
>
> The hesitation is most evident when the motor is still warming up, so I
> think that rules out fuel problems (doesn't it run full rich during warm
> up?).  It only happens when I am lightly accelerating, so it probably
> isn't
> clutch related.  I just replaced my plugs and wires 6,000 miles ago, most
> likely not the problem.  The problem started about four weeks ago and I
> had
> not done anything to the car around that time.
>
> What else can I check, O2 sensors?  I am running an FIPK and test pipe,
> the
> boost has never been raised and these are the only modifications that the
> car has ever had.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael D. Crose

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:42:45 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

actually, I posted our experience with four VR4's some time back.  3 ea
'93's and one '94.  They each hit 60K miles at different ages from 6 to 7
years and we replaced the timing belts then.  I can testify that a timing
belt can last 6 or 7 years without replacement, based on an "N" of 4.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darc [SMTP:wce@telus.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:13 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Trivia 2
>
> yo Team;
>
> Low traffic lately...not much in terms of  posted  information over a
> great
> North American (that's a whole continent) holiday weekend. Hope all of
> your
> activity was superb!
>
> Sooo...here's trivia question #2 (after the late great center of
> horizontal
> balance question). This should be much easier...but will it be ;-)) Seems
> easier anyway........
>
> If, the timing belt ( and hopefully water pump and tensor pulley) is a
> replacement requirement every 60,000 miles (that's every 100,000 kms
> outside
> the USA) ...then what is the replacement increment in time (years)  as
> opposed to distance (miles/kilometers) ???????? My 92 Steed has low kms
> and
> no one (that's nada) has supplied the answer.
>
> Best
>
> Darc

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:47:08 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Hub Removal

are you sure you can't remove and install the studs one at a time without
removing the hub, just by rotating it where the back of the stud is clear
(forward edge where the caliper sits)?

the difficult part of removing the hub is getting the darned bolts loose,
not pulling the hub off the axle.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bdtrent [SMTP:bdtrent@netzero.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:45 PM
> To: Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Front Hub Removal
>
> All,
>
> I need to pull my front hub to install longer wheel studs.  Does anyone
> know
> if I can simply use a wheel puller to pull the hub from the steering
> nuckle?
> Assuming this is the case, it sounds like a fairly easy job.  Otherwise, I
> might have to take my car to a professional who can hack up my car and get
> paid, as opposed to me hacking up my car all by myself.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

And if you take a poll of owners who never change thie timing belts..you
can probly come up with "I can testify that a timing belt can last 80-90k
miles".

Not saying your math is bad, but 6-7yrs isnt prudent if you just use the
average miles-per-year method the industry uses to calculate all sorts
of warranties and lease issues..to reach 60K

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:

> actually, I posted our experience with four VR4's some time back.  3 ea
> '93's and one '94.  They each hit 60K miles at different ages from 6 to 7
> years and we replaced the timing belts then.  I can testify that a timing
> belt can last 6 or 7 years without replacement, based on an "N" of 4.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darc [SMTP:wce@telus.net]
> > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:13 PM
> > To: Team3S
> > Subject: Team3S: Trivia 2
> >
> > yo Team;
> >
> > Low traffic lately...not much in terms of  posted  information over a
> > great
> > North American (that's a whole continent) holiday weekend. Hope all of
> > your
> > activity was superb!
> >
> > Sooo...here's trivia question #2 (after the late great center of
> > horizontal
> > balance question). This should be much easier...but will it be ;-)) Seems
> > easier anyway........
> >
> > If, the timing belt ( and hopefully water pump and tensor pulley) is a
> > replacement requirement every 60,000 miles (that's every 100,000 kms
> > outside
> > the USA) ...then what is the replacement increment in time (years)  as
> > opposed to distance (miles/kilometers) ???????? My 92 Steed has low kms
> > and
> > no one (that's nada) has supplied the answer.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Darc
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:03:05 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Hub Removal

What I did was remove the hub cap from the wheels, mount the wheels lower
the car and use the weight of the car to hold the wheel while loosening (not
removeing) the main axle nut.  Process is same for tightening.  Just makes
for a lot of raising and lowering. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Peterson [SMTP:ryanp@crcwnet.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 11:48 PM
> To: bdtrent; Team 3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Hub Removal
>
> Well, it's not complicated, but you need the right tools, and some time.
> Will probably need a long lever arm of some kind to lock the front axle
> from
> turning when you unscrew the main axle nut.  The manual says you can have
> someone step on the brakes for this, but I had no luck that way. I took a
> long piece of angle iron and drilled holes for the lugs. Then braced that
> against the ground while I cranked on the nut.  Same thing in reverse for
> reinstall (will need well over 100 ft-lbs of torque). Need a ball joint
> separator for the lower ball and steering tie rod.  Unbolt the strut,
> brakes, and steering.   Pull the hub out, then take it to a machine shop
> so
> they can press out the hub. Likely you will need a new bearing too, as
> this
> will probably tear it apart.
>
> Ryan Peterson
> www.crcwnet.com/~ryanp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
> Of bdtrent
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:45 PM
> To: Team 3S
> Subject: Team3S: Front Hub Removal
>
>
> All,
>
> I need to pull my front hub to install longer wheel studs.  Does anyone
> know
> if I can simply use a wheel puller to pull the hub from the steering
> nuckle?
> Assuming this is the case, it sounds like a fairly easy job.  Otherwise, I
> might have to take my car to a professional who can hack up my car and get
> paid, as opposed to me hacking up my car all by myself.
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:16:55 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

It's funny how I get slammed when I say I change my oil and filter after
every track event, but then I get slammed when I report that four cars went
6 to seven years on the factory timing belt before hitting 60K miles without
consequence.

The timing belt change is a chunk of money and also big problems if it
breaks.  Maybe you should inspect it to see if it is cracking at 5 years and
quarterly after that.

If you've got time and money to do it early, great, but don't get everybody
scared about the years on their belt.  The primary source of deterioration
of belts is engine HOURS, that's time at temperature, which you can equate
to MILES.  Belt AGING is a secondary mechanism of deterioration and depends
on ambient temperatures, temperature extremes, and probably more on how much
air pollution where the car is garaged.  While I agree that running on an
aged belt is bad, I don't believe 7 years is extreme, but I might think 8
years is getting there.

Wonder what Gates (no note Bill) thinks?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:03 AM
> To: Willis, Charles E.
> Cc: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2
>
> And if you take a poll of owners who never change thie timing belts..you
> can probly come up with "I can testify that a timing belt can last 80-90k
> miles".
>
> Not saying your math is bad, but 6-7yrs isnt prudent if you just use the
> average miles-per-year method the industry uses to calculate all sorts
> of warranties and lease issues..to reach 60K

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:10:14 +0200
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: All season tires TT/VR-4?

I have been happy with my Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 tires.  Dry traction is
similar to the Pirelli P7000SS they replaced (though these are noisier when
stressed) and wet traction is better.  Durability is also better; they have
been on for 40k miles now and have at least another 20k left in them.

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

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A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 07:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

I didnt slam anyone.  I said changing oil every few dozen miles of "track"
time is probly a waste of $.

Changing a timing belt at the PROBABLE time limit of 60k isnt a waste of
$.

Bad oil still work, bad belts dont...if you go that route of thinking.

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:

> It's funny how I get slammed when I say I change my oil and filter after
> every track event, but then I get slammed when I report that four cars went
> 6 to seven years on the factory timing belt before hitting 60K miles without
> consequence.
>
> The timing belt change is a chunk of money and also big problems if it
> breaks.  Maybe you should inspect it to see if it is cracking at 5 years and
> quarterly after that.
>
> If you've got time and money to do it early, great, but don't get everybody
> scared about the years on their belt.  The primary source of deterioration
> of belts is engine HOURS, that's time at temperature, which you can equate
> to MILES.  Belt AGING is a secondary mechanism of deterioration and depends
> on ambient temperatures, temperature extremes, and probably more on how much
> air pollution where the car is garaged.  While I agree that running on an
> aged belt is bad, I don't believe 7 years is extreme, but I might think 8
> years is getting there.
>
> Wonder what Gates (no note Bill) thinks?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:03 AM
> > To: Willis, Charles E.
> > Cc: Team3S
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2
> >
> > And if you take a poll of owners who never change thie timing belts..you
> > can probly come up with "I can testify that a timing belt can last 80-90k
> > miles".
> >
> > Not saying your math is bad, but 6-7yrs isnt prudent if you just use the
> > average miles-per-year method the industry uses to calculate all sorts
> > of warranties and lease issues..to reach 60K
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:02:24 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

> I didnt slam anyone.  I said changing oil every few dozen miles of "track"
> time is probly a waste of $.
[Willis, Charles E.] 
200 miles on the track is probably equivalent to 2000 miles on the
road.  Add the mileage to and from the track to that.
>  Changing a timing belt at the PROBABLE time limit of 60k isnt a waste of
> $.
>
> Bad oil still work, bad belts dont...if you go that route of thinking.
[Willis, Charles E.]  Bad oil still only works marginally well at
what it's supposed to do, lubricate engine parts rather than contaminate
engine parts with debris and accelerate wear by reduced pH.
[Willis, Charles E.]  If you equate "old" belts with "bad" belts,
then they still work as long as they turn the cams without slipping a notch.

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:27:10 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: Team3S: Wear on Panther Plus pads

Finally got the pads off the car yesterday.  Car's been sitting since
Heartland Park. Here are the results.

These are stock calipers with Stillen crossdrilled Sport rotors on a '94
VR4.

Front pads were Panther Plus compound.
Rear pads were Panther compound custom made for 2nd gen VR4 with one track
event already.

Total sessions = Saturday 4 and Sunday 6 (Jim drove the car also, took Rich
in different run group) = 10 sessions (plus round trip Houston to Topeka)

Both front and rear pads had same remaining thickness.

Brand new Panther Plus thickness = 1/2" + 3/32" - 3/16" backer = 0.40625"
(standard thickness of Mitsu pads is 10 mm (0.39") = 3/8")

(limit = 2 mm (0.08") = 5/64")
Pad after Heartland = 1/2"-3/16" backer = 0.3135"

Pad wear = 0.083" for ten sessions.

At this rate,  I would use 0.32625" of pad material in 3.93 events of ten
sessions.  Usual events are 8 sessions, and the limit for replacement is
equivalent to the wear for one event so I figure I can get 4 events from
these pads without geting down to the backer.

These results are consistent with the measurements I made with the Panther
pads on my '93 VR4 only better.  Then I was seeing about 0.01" wear per
session. Again, I expected to get four events per set of pads versus two
events on the Stillen Metal Matrix pads, or one event for the Carbon Kevlar
pads.

Chuck Willis

PS next event is this weekend with another in three weeks and another in
October.  I'll let y'all know how the pads (and my numbers) hold up.

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:37:01 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wear on Panther Plus pads

by the way, I forgot to mention that these brake a heck of a lot better than
the silly Metal Matrix things - no gassing, no fade, minimal dusting, and I
use them on the street and the track.  Haven't put them back on the car yet.
Also there is some uneven wear on the rear pads, the material is higher on
one edge of the pad than the other but only by about 1/32" or so. Don't have
the rotors back fomr the shop, but they don't look like the pads destroyed
them either.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E.
> [SMTP:cewillis@tch-relay-1.texaschildrenshospital.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:27 AM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: Team3S: Wear on Panther Plus pads
>
> Finally got the pads off the car yesterday.  Car's been sitting since
> Heartland Park. Here are the results.
>
> These are stock calipers with Stillen crossdrilled Sport rotors on a '94
> VR4.
>
> Front pads were Panther Plus compound.
> Rear pads were Panther compound custom made for 2nd gen VR4 with one track
> event already.
>
> Total sessions = Saturday 4 and Sunday 6 (Jim drove the car also, took
> Rich
> in different run group) = 10 sessions (plus round trip Houston to Topeka)
>
> Both front and rear pads had same remaining thickness.
>
> Brand new Panther Plus thickness = 1/2" + 3/32" - 3/16" backer = 0.40625"
> (standard thickness of Mitsu pads is 10 mm (0.39") = 3/8")
>
> (limit = 2 mm (0.08") = 5/64")
> Pad after Heartland = 1/2"-3/16" backer = 0.3135"
>
> Pad wear = 0.083" for ten sessions.
>
> At this rate,  I would use 0.32625" of pad material in 3.93 events of ten
> sessions.  Usual events are 8 sessions, and the limit for replacement is
> equivalent to the wear for one event so I figure I can get 4 events from
> these pads without geting down to the backer.
>
> These results are consistent with the measurements I made with the Panther
> pads on my '93 VR4 only better.  Then I was seeing about 0.01" wear per
> session. Again, I expected to get four events per set of pads versus two
> events on the Stillen Metal Matrix pads, or one event for the Carbon
> Kevlar
> pads.
>
> Chuck Willis
>
> PS next event is this weekend with another in three weeks and another in
> October.  I'll let y'all know how the pads (and my numbers) hold up.

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:15:32 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wear on Panther Plus pads

Try turning those pads over to mad man Merritt and see how long
they hold up !!!

        Jim Berry
===============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> Finally got the pads off the car yesterday.  Car's been sitting since
> Heartland Park. Here are the results.
> At this rate,  I would use 0.32625" of pad material in 3.93 events of ten
> sessions.  Usual events are 8 sessions, and the limit for replacement is
> equivalent to the wear for one event so I figure I can get 4 events from
> these pads without geting down to the backer.
>
> These results are consistent with the measurements I made with the Panther
> pads on my '93 VR4 only better.  Then I was seeing about 0.01" wear per
> session. Again, I expected to get four events per set of pads versus two
> events on the Stillen Metal Matrix pads, or one event for the Carbon Kevlar
> pads.
>
> Chuck Willis

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:38:58 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

> 200 miles on the track is probably equivalent to 2000
> miles on the road.  Add the mileage to and from the
> track to that.

I doubt it is that hard on today's synthetic oils.

> Bad oil still only works marginally well at what it's
> supposed to do, lubricate engine parts rather than
> contaminate engine parts with debris and accelerate
> wear by reduced pH.

Oil that's been run hard an hour or two on the track is still going to
lubricate just as well as when you put it in.  Synthetics don't suffer
thermal breakdown nearly as much as dinosaur oil.  If your oil filter is
working properly (and you aren't using some crappy filter like Fram), there
shouldn't be any "debris" in your oil either.

Sure, change the oil after the track if you want to.  It might be
unneccessary, but if it makes you feel better then go for it.  Much better
choice than the opposite end of the spectrum where someone goes 12,000 miles
on the same oil.

> If you equate "old" belts with "bad" belts, then they
> still work as long as they turn the cams without
> slipping a notch.

...but the probability of failure gets higher with age and number of heat
cycles.  If you go a little long on an oil change it isn't going to destroy
your motor.  If you go a little long on the timing belt and it fails kiss a
minimum of $3000 goodbye.

Comparing oil and timing belts isn't even comparing fruit to nuts, much less
apples to apples.

Would you race on 7-year-old racing tires?

Why take the chance?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:36:31 -0500
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: removing axle nut (was hub removal)

Doesn't anyone have air in their garages?

I just throw a 32mm impact socket on my impact wrench(IR2131) and the nuts
zip right off(has worked every time).  None of this up and down monkey
business.

When I install them I have my shop assistant(wife) just hold the brakes and
I can torque to 150ft/lbs.

Mark
'91RT/TT


>From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>To: Team 3S <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Hub Removal
>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:03:05 -0500
>
>What I did was remove the hub cap from the wheels, mount the wheels lower
>the car and use the weight of the car to hold the wheel while loosening
>(not
>removing) the main axle nut.  Process is same for tightening.  Just makes
>for a lot of raising and lowering.

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:55:51 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: for sale - cover plates available

Not to beat this thing to death but I have many for sale. Go to www.ek2mfg.com to see them.
45.00 shipped to the 48 with bolts
Enjoy the day

Bob K.

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:19:46 -0400
From: "Michael D. Crose" <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hesitation...again

Charles,

I have a fast responding digital multi-meter, it isn't as smooth as an
analog meter would be, but it gave a decent reading.

The hesitation is now gone.  I ran out of Redline SL-1 fuel system
cleaner/treatment about the same time the hesitation started and this
weekend I bought some more.  After a day of driving with the SL-1 in the gas
the hesitation is totally gone.  Could I have just gotten two tanks of bad
gas or is there some other problem that the SL-1 maybe coving up?

Michael D. Crose


>From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: Hesitation...again
>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:30:46 -0500
>
>how did you test your TPS?  Basically, you have to connect it to an analog
>ohmmeter in order to see the problem that causes hesitation.  The
>resistance
>doesn't increase smoothly as you rotate it.  Instead it has
>discontinuities.
>You are unlikely to see this with a digital ohmmeter, and you are also
>likely to attribute the discontinuities to a "bad connection" with your
>ohmmeter leads.

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:05:02 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hesitation...again

yes, bad gas can do that, about once a year I run injector cleaner through a
tank of gas and that sems to help get rid of condensate in the fuel tank.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D. Crose [SMTP:ncsu4me@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:20 AM
> To: cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Hesitation...again
>
> Charles,
>
> I have a fast responding digital multi-meter, it isn't as smooth as an
> analog meter would be, but it gave a decent reading.
>
> The hesitation is now gone.  I ran out of Redline SL-1 fuel system
> cleaner/treatment about the same time the hesitation started and this
> weekend I bought some more.  After a day of driving with the SL-1 in the
> gas
> the hesitation is totally gone.  Could I have just gotten two tanks of bad
>
> gas or is there some other problem that the SL-1 maybe coving up?

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:28:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

> I doubt it is that hard on today's synthetic oils.
- ---

Agreed, whats hard on racing is ugly high temps (synths dont even sweat
this, so its a non-issue) and ugly high boost pressures cause a lot of
fuel dilution in the oil..but is anyone here curcuit racing at 20+psi?
Rotary engines are notorious for fuel dilution..so on the RX7-TT I do have
to swap out oil every other race event or I start seeing 10-15% fuel in my
oil.

 > > Bad oil still only works marginally well at what it's
> > supposed to do, lubricate engine parts rather than
> > contaminate engine parts with debris and accelerate
> > wear by reduced pH.
>
> Oil that's been run hard an hour or two on the track is still going to
> lubricate just as well as when you put it in.  Synthetics don't suffer
> thermal breakdown nearly as much as dinosaur oil.  If your oil filter is
> working properly (and you aren't using some crappy filter like Fram), there
> shouldn't be any "debris" in your oil either.
>
> Sure, change the oil after the track if you want to.  It might be
> unneccessary, but if it makes you feel better then go for it.  Much better
> choice than the opposite end of the spectrum where someone goes 12,000 miles
> on the same oil.
>
> > If you equate "old" belts with "bad" belts, then they
> > still work as long as they turn the cams without
> > slipping a notch.
>
> ...but the probability of failure gets higher with age and number of heat
> cycles.  If you go a little long on an oil change it isn't going to destroy
> your motor.  If you go a little long on the timing belt and it fails kiss a
> minimum of $3000 goodbye.
>
> Comparing oil and timing belts isn't even comparing fruit to nuts, much less
> apples to apples.
>
> Would you race on 7-year-old racing tires?
>
> Why take the chance?
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:21:15 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: FS: Complete Infinity Premium stereo from my '95 R/T TT on E-bay

Hello,

I am selling the complete stereo system from my '95 R/T TT on E-bay.  Check
it out - less than 24 hrs to go.  Contains pretty much everything (see
auction for detailed list).  I'm even including the CD DIN cable - good if
installing in a car that is not pre-wired for this CD changer.  Costs for
this alone is over $100 at the stealership.  Check it out at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594862734

E-mail any questions to osk@mediaone.net

Thanks,
Oskar

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:34:58 -0400
From: "Payne, Scott" <SPayne@hunton.com>
Subject: Team3S: Blitz Question

Anybody tried this one yet?

S.B.C.-i Boost controller

Heres the write up on it -

Ordinary turbo charged vehicles have preset boost pressures which are lower
then the boost pressure the turbocharger is capable of. This means that you
cannot obtain any further boost pressure then the level it is already set
for. The Blitz SBC-i controls the maximum ratio of the boost pressure,
making it possible to utilize the full capacity of the turbocharger. SBC-i
accomodates both wastegate types.

Features include:

* 4 boost settings, scramble boost, warning and limiter, peak hold and
digital boost display

* SBC i-D can work in conjunction with Power Meter i-D via infrared
connection

* able to choose boost measurements (PSI, BAR, Kg/cm2, and KPA)

* sequential dual solenoid design for better boost response and boost
display.

$589.00 is best price I found so far....

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:48:56 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L  CIV" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question

I have it. It's a very good unit. I still learning all the features. I'm
going to buy the power meter to complete the set.

The installation process is the same one as the Blitz DSBC.

Victor
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Scott [mailto:SPayne@hunton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:35 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Blitz Question


Anybody tried this one yet?

S.B.C.-i Boost controller

Heres the write up on it -

Ordinary turbo charged vehicles have preset boost pressures which are lower
then the boost pressure the turbocharger is capable of. This means that you
cannot obtain any further boost pressure then the level it is already set
for. The Blitz SBC-i controls the maximum ratio of the boost pressure,
making it possible to utilize the full capacity of the turbocharger. SBC-i
accomodates both wastegate types.

Features include:

* 4 boost settings, scramble boost, warning and limiter, peak hold and
digital boost display

* SBC i-D can work in conjunction with Power Meter i-D via infrared
connection

* able to choose boost measurements (PSI, BAR, Kg/cm2, and KPA)

* sequential dual solenoid design for better boost response and boost
display.

$589.00 is best price I found so far....

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:56:45 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: HKS CAMP Display Unit

Does anyone have any experience with this. I ran across it and it looks
like it has a boost gauge, fuel flow, and a lot of other graphs and
things that could help you dial your car in. Has anyone used one or have
some experience with them as to what they can do. If this will work as a
gauge like it looks like it will I may get this instead of pillar
mounted gauges. Any info is appreciated.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:55:25 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS CAMP Display Unit

> Does anyone have any experience with this. I ran across it
> and it looks like it has a boost gauge, fuel flow, and a lot
> of other graphs and things that could help you dial your car
> in. Has anyone used one or have some experience with them as
> to what they can do. If this will work as a gauge like it
> looks like it will I may get this instead of pillar mounted
> gauges. Any info is appreciated.

The boost gauge and other truly useful things require you to have one of
HKS' electronic peak-hold gauges and a junction box which HKS has
discontinued.  Otherwise it'll measure RPM, a few temps, an O2 sensor or two
and that's about it.

Each of the compatible HKS gauges (Boost, EGT, etc.) are around $300 each.

Then of course you need to find somewhere to mount a display, since that
isn't included either.  Most LCD panel displays are pretty much unusable in
daylight also.

I looked at it too, but I decided on more conventional gauges because of
these reasons.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:58:22 -0400
From: "Payne, Scott" <SPayne@hunton.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question

Cool, do you have any pictures of how and where you mounted the unit?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Berrios, Victor L CIV [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:49 PM
To: 'TEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question


I have it. It's a very good unit. I still learning all the features. I'm
going to buy the power meter to complete the set.

The installation process is the same one as the Blitz DSBC.

Victor
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Scott [mailto:SPayne@hunton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:35 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Blitz Question


Anybody tried this one yet?

S.B.C.-i Boost controller

Heres the write up on it -

Ordinary turbo charged vehicles have preset boost pressures which are lower
then the boost pressure the turbocharger is capable of. This means that you
cannot obtain any further boost pressure then the level it is already set
for. The Blitz SBC-i controls the maximum ratio of the boost pressure,
making it possible to utilize the full capacity of the turbocharger. SBC-i
accomodates both wastegate types.

Features include:

* 4 boost settings, scramble boost, warning and limiter, peak hold and
digital boost display

* SBC i-D can work in conjunction with Power Meter i-D via infrared
connection

* able to choose boost measurements (PSI, BAR, Kg/cm2, and KPA)

* sequential dual solenoid design for better boost response and boost
display.

$589.00 is best price I found so far....

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:06:14 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:28 PM
> To: Jannusch, Matt
> Cc: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Trivia 2
>
[Willis, Charles E.]  20 minutes per session x 8 sessions = 160
minutes at speed.  Let's say a few hours instead of a couple.

would I race on 7 year old tires?  assuming they had plenty of tread
and were stored properly (in a plastic bag, clean, with some sort of silicon
dressing), yeah, I might try it, especially if I had inspected the tires and
found them free from visible evidence of deterioration. And especially if
they were free!

apples and oranges?  possibly.  [Willis, Charles E.]  I just think
it's funny (strange) that we all have such divergent philosphies on what
cheap little things we can do to bias toward success vs. the expensive
things we think are mandatory to avoid catastrophic failures.

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:03:08 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L  CIV" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question

Hi Scott:
Here is a threat in the 3si.org with pictures on the Blitz SBC-i-D.
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=93deae04352055142a8e2734fe24562f&thr
eadid=40895&highlight=Blitz+SBCID

I mount my one between the A/C vent and the Water temp gauge.

Bought my one from MVB motors

http://www.mvpmotorsports.com/default.asp

They have it now at $558.40

Victor
'96 VR-4 Pearl White


- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Scott [mailto:SPayne@hunton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:03 PM
To: 'Berrios, Victor L CIV'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question


Hate to bug ya, but got one more question. Where did you get your S.B.C.-i
Boost controller??

- -----Original Message-----
From: Berrios, Victor L CIV [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:49 PM
To: 'TEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question


I have it. It's a very good unit. I still learning all the features. I'm
going to buy the power meter to complete the set.

The installation process is the same one as the Blitz DSBC.

Victor
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Scott [mailto:SPayne@hunton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:35 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Blitz Question


Anybody tried this one yet?

S.B.C.-i Boost controller

Heres the write up on it -

Ordinary turbo charged vehicles have preset boost pressures which are lower
then the boost pressure the turbocharger is capable of. This means that you
cannot obtain any further boost pressure then the level it is already set
for. The Blitz SBC-i controls the maximum ratio of the boost pressure,
making it possible to utilize the full capacity of the turbocharger. SBC-i
accomodates both wastegate types.

Features include:

* 4 boost settings, scramble boost, warning and limiter, peak hold and
digital boost display

* SBC i-D can work in conjunction with Power Meter i-D via infrared
connection

* able to choose boost measurements (PSI, BAR, Kg/cm2, and KPA)

* sequential dual solenoid design for better boost response and boost
display.

$589.00 is best price I found so far....

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:07:07 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L  CIV" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question

Check also this threat. You may be able to get a better price.

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=93deae04352055142a8e2734fe24562f&thr
eadid=34269&highlight=Blitz+SBCID

- -----Original Message-----
From: Berrios, Victor L CIV [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:03 PM
To: 'team3s@stealth-3000gt.st'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question


Hi Scott:
Here is a threat in the 3si.org with pictures on the Blitz SBC-i-D.
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=93deae04352055142a8e2734fe24562f&thr
eadid=40895&highlight=Blitz+SBCID

I mount my one between the A/C vent and the Water temp gauge.

Bought my one from MVB motors

http://www.mvpmotorsports.com/default.asp

They have it now at $558.40

Victor
'96 VR-4 Pearl White


- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Scott [mailto:SPayne@hunton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:03 PM
To: 'Berrios, Victor L CIV'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question


Hate to bug ya, but got one more question. Where did you get your S.B.C.-i
Boost controller??

- -----Original Message-----
From: Berrios, Victor L CIV [mailto:VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:49 PM
To: 'TEAM3S@STEALTH-3000GT.ST'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Blitz Question


I have it. It's a very good unit. I still learning all the features. I'm
going to buy the power meter to complete the set.

The installation process is the same one as the Blitz DSBC.

Victor
'96 VR-4 Pearl White

- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Scott [mailto:SPayne@hunton.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:35 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Blitz Question


Anybody tried this one yet?

S.B.C.-i Boost controller

Heres the write up on it -

Ordinary turbo charged vehicles have preset boost pressures which are lower
then the boost pressure the turbocharger is capable of. This means that you
cannot obtain any further boost pressure then the level it is already set
for. The Blitz SBC-i controls the maximum ratio of the boost pressure,
making it possible to utilize the full capacity of the turbocharger. SBC-i
accomodates both wastegate types.

Features include:

* 4 boost settings, scramble boost, warning and limiter, peak hold and
digital boost display

* SBC i-D can work in conjunction with Power Meter i-D via infrared
connection

* able to choose boost measurements (PSI, BAR, Kg/cm2, and KPA)

* sequential dual solenoid design for better boost response and boost
display.

$589.00 is best price I found so far....

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:04:15 -0700
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: mis-fire and smog problem

Hi All,

i have a stock 92 vr4 with a misfire above about 4000rpm.  It also has a
smog/emmission problem (California requirement). I have done the following
which has improved the emissions slightly but nor resolved fully either
problem:
changed plugs and plug leads
changed coil
changed PCV
changed air filter

the guy i had look at it swapped the injectors and plugs from front to back
as he found the miss is in two of cylinders in the rear bank (he said 2 and
3 i think). the miss remained in the rear bank.

So, any suggestions? the guy suggested a problem lies with the "brain" or
the wiring to the "brain". couldhe be correct?

thanks
Ian
stock 92 vr4 red

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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:47:37 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: mis-fire and smog problem

It could be the capacitor failure that's been mentioned before on the list.
Go to the Search Page to pull up past discussions on the subject.
www.Team3S.com/Search.htm  Then again, I'm not sure that would show up in
only two rear cylinders.  You might want to search "missing" or "misfire",
too.

As to emissions...  Of course, it *could* be an ECU problem, but for
starters (and assuming the misfire affected the emissions only slightly) did
you make sure the cats were good and hot *before* you had the emissions
test?  Cats get *much* more efficient when they're hot compared to when
they're cold.  It could mean the difference between a pass or fail in the
CARB requirement.  Always go for a run on the highway before an emissions
test...

Best,

Forrest

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
> Hi All,
> i have a stock 92 vr4 with a misfire above about 4000rpm.  It also has a
smog/emmission problem (California requirement). I have done the following
which has improved the emissions slightly but nor resolved fully either
problem:
> changed plugs and plug leads
> changed coil
> changed PCV
> changed air filter
> the guy i had look at it swapped the injectors and plugs from front to
back as he found the miss is in two of cylinders in the rear bank (he said 2
and 3 i think). the miss remained in the rear bank.
> So, any suggestions? the guy suggested a problem lies with the "brain" or
the wiring to the "brain". couldhe be correct?
> thanks
> Ian
> stock 92 vr4 red

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