Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Wednesday, August 1 2001   Volume 01 : Number 564




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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:28:06 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Datalogging on a 2nd gen 3S

What parts do I need to swap to enable datalogging on my '95 R/T TT? Is it
cost prohibitive?

I know I can swap several body panels and make a 1st gen into a 2nd gen,
but since I have a 2nd gen car already and I like it very much I would
rather swap some parts than whole cars. Thanks.

Philip
'95 R/T TT


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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:08:33 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rewire Fuel Pump

The battery in my car has been moved to the rear.  The battery is
literally within a foot of the fuel pump now.  I have heard talk about
running heavier gauge wire to the fuel pump to provide better voltage
for increased flow/reliability.  Question:  The fuel pump appears to
have 4 wires coming from it.  What are the different wires, and what
would be the best way to wire this.  I was thinking some sort of fuel
cutoff switch externally mounted (as required by certain organizations
for rear mounted batteries), as well as a Cutoff switch inside the car
(for anti-theft purposes).  I am thinking some sort of high-amperage
relay in the rear above the fuel pump, but I want it controlled by the
car as to when its on/off mainly, just having the external and internal
cutoffs also.

What would be the best way???

- -Cody


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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:59:14 -0400
From: Steve Petry <sjpsys@rit.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: street racing....sorry I brought it up

Street racing, Crashes DO happen.

http://www.speedoptions.com/news_headline.asp?aID=1680&ref=default&v=4&pg=0



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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:49:49 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

Why not just add a cowl to the hood & split the duct to send a portion of the
air into the intake? At least that way there is no need to worry about the
hood flipping up.

=Thor

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:51:34 -0500
From: Sean Winker <sean.winker@chrobinson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

Has anyone looked into fabricating bolt on vents to replace the 'bumps' on
the hood?

- -----Original Message-----
From: ThorHolth@aol.com [mailto:ThorHolth@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 16:50
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue


Why not just add a cowl to the hood & split the duct to send a portion of
the
air into the intake? At least that way there is no need to worry about the
hood flipping up.

=Thor

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:11:38 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

If you guys come up with something everyone can agree with I will make the
molds......I know flash was working on something but if he got it off the
ground or not I don't know. I could make them out of an aluminum hogout but
that would cost a fortune for any buyers.....so lets look at molding them.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:52 PM, Sean Winker
[SMTP:sean.winker@chrobinson.com] wrote:
> Has anyone looked into fabricating bolt on vents to replace the 'bumps'
on
> the hood?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ThorHolth@aol.com [mailto:ThorHolth@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 16:50
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue
>
>
> Why not just add a cowl to the hood & split the duct to send a portion of
> the
> air into the intake? At least that way there is no need to worry about
the
> hood flipping up.
>
> =Thor

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:14:42 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

or at least I could CMM scan those little piggies If somebody wants to take that one over.....god knows I got enough going right now.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:12 PM, Robert Koch [SMTP:eK2mfg@foxinternet.com] wrote:
> If you guys come up with something everyone can agree with I will make the
> molds......I know flash was working on something but if he got it off the
> ground or not I don't know. I could make them out of an aluminum hogout but
> that would cost a fortune for any buyers.....so lets look at molding them.
>
> On Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:52 PM, Sean Winker
> [SMTP:sean.winker@chrobinson.com] wrote:
> > Has anyone looked into fabricating bolt on vents to replace the 'bumps'
> on
> > the hood?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ThorHolth@aol.com [mailto:ThorHolth@aol.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 16:50
> > To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> > Subject: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue
> >
> >
> > Why not just add a cowl to the hood & split the duct to send a portion of
> > the
> > air into the intake? At least that way there is no need to worry about
> the
> > hood flipping up.
> >
> > =Thor

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:32:24 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

How about a molded panel that dropped in on the right side of the hood and
replaced the shock-tower bulge, with forward facing louvers? I remember that
the old saab 900 series had such a design, but it was for cabin
ventilation.....

- -thor

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:35:05 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

> Has anyone looked into fabricating bolt on vents to
> replace the 'bumps' on the hood?

Bozz Speed in Japan makes some for the '91-93.5 cars.

http://www.bozz.co.jp/parts-english/aero/gto-bonnetscoop.html

$305 plus whatever it takes to get them to the States.  Ow.

A while back there was talk of someone making a hood with a rear cowl
induction setup to help get cool air into the engine compartment, but that
seems to have evaporated (or at least I never personally heard of progress
being made).

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:41:45 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

Oh my god people...if any one is willing to pay 305.00 for these I'll make
it my top priority.
I was thinking somewhere along the 125.00 range. Lets get serious about
this, with all of the under hood temp conversations I think this would be
something of worthyness. who molds plastic out there? would aluminum suck
if it was only 50% heavier?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:35 PM, Jannusch, Matt
[SMTP:mjannusch@marketwatch.com] wrote:
> > Has anyone looked into fabricating bolt on vents to
> > replace the 'bumps' on the hood?
>
> Bozz Speed in Japan makes some for the '91-93.5 cars.
>
> http://www.bozz.co.jp/parts-english/aero/gto-bonnetscoop.html
>
> $305 plus whatever it takes to get them to the States.  Ow.
>
> A while back there was talk of someone making a hood with a rear cowl
> induction setup to help get cool air into the engine compartment, but
that
> seems to have evaporated (or at least I never personally heard of
progress
> being made).
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:16:28 -0700
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Team3S: Team3s Admin - Illegal Street Racing

All:

Please save this topic for debate, argument or discussion
for PRIVATE e-mails.  This is a TECHNICAL FORUM, not the
proper venue for one-liners intended to goad, be cute or
have the last word.  Out of the 13 messages on this topic,
NOT ONE had any technical content.  Enough is enough. 
Everybody has an opinion on this, but this isn't the forum
for it.

Go back and read the rules you agreed to at the URL at the
bottom of this message if you forgot them.

Rich
For the Admins

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:05:39
From: "Greg Gonzales" <greggonzo1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Passenger side window motor going out

Has anyone replaced their passenger side window motor? Mine is barely able
to bring the window back up.

Didnt I read that someone rebuilt theirs? Or used a different brand?

Thanks
Greg Gonzales
92 RT TT

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:32:11 EDT
From: DKoenigs@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Venom Product

Anybody out there have experience with the Venom product line.  Specifically I'm interested in information about the VCN-2000 nitrous system and the Venom 400 control module.  Any real life experience and opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Bottom line....is either worth the money?

Thanks
Don

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:38:19 -0400
From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
Subject: Team3S: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?

I'm shopping for brake pads for my Stealth and I'd like some opinion on the
Porterfield R4S and anything else comparable.  My ES has turbo calipers on
it but only weighs about 3200 lbs empty.  So I really don't need the massive
clamping force that the AWD cars need (but it would be nice to have :) )
I'm also looking for something that will go well with my Porterfield cryo
rotors (not slotted or drilled)  I know most of you are road course racers
so I'm hoping for some good answers :)

Jeff V.
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com


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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:08:31 -0700
From: "Edgar Francisco" <francisco_edgar@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

The web page says "working air outlets". Any ideas about which would work
better for engine cooling to replace the bumps -- outlet or ram air inlet?


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue


> > Has anyone looked into fabricating bolt on vents to
> > replace the 'bumps' on the hood?
>
> Bozz Speed in Japan makes some for the '91-93.5 cars.
>
> http://www.bozz.co.jp/parts-english/aero/gto-bonnetscoop.html
>
> $305 plus whatever it takes to get them to the States.  Ow.
>
> A while back there was talk of someone making a hood with a rear cowl
> induction setup to help get cool air into the engine compartment, but that
> seems to have evaporated (or at least I never personally heard of progress
> being made).
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:09:17 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject: Team3S: New "Honking / Whistle" noise. HELP!!

Hello all, I just started to notice a new noise in my car. It is very
hard to describe, it's kind of like a medium to high pitch honk or
whistle. It only occurs at about 2800 to 3100 RPM under light to semi
light acceleration and only for about half a second.

My first thought was a leaky BOV because it only briefly happens when
the boost is built up pretty high, BUT I'm not on the throttle very
much. I guess another way of saying it would be that the turbo's are
spooled and creating boost, but the throttle plate is not open very far
(in relation to the amount of gas pedal I have left). So is this the BOV
leaking?? Or what would cause this. Thank you all for your help, and it
is a completely stock 94 RT TT with 99k miles.

Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
Computer Sales Consultant
Gateway Computers, Salem OR
Work Phone 503-587-7113
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:30:45 -0500
From: "bdtrent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Porterfield Prices

I'm back in the market for a set of cryo treated 2nd gen Porterfield rotors.
Anyone know were I can currently get the best price?

Regards,
DaveT/92TT

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:32:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield Prices

Bout $340 W/O shipping here for that pair.

I have almost no discount on rotors..so likewise I dont make scrap off em
either *heh*.

Im not a business, but I do have wholesale/distributor pricing, and
anything I make goes to support the Team3S projects.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, bdtrent wrote:

> I'm back in the market for a set of cryo treated 2nd gen Porterfield rotors.
> Anyone know were I can currently get the best price?
>
> Regards,
> DaveT/92TT

*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *


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Date: 31 Jul 2001 20:27:29 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: 4-bolt timing sprocket

To verify my theory on the timing mark change when doing a 2-bolt to 4-bolt main conversion I bought the 4-bolt main sprocket.

The timing mark was 1 tooth off like I expected but the sprocket looks like it is missing the back flange

Can anyone who has done the timing on a 4-bolt main TT block recently verify if the timing belt sprocket has a back flange?

I posted pictures on the 3SI bulletin board, unfortunatly the digital camera was stolen from work so I could not take a picture, I had to use a photo editor to try to show the part difference.

http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=3d6714c1c1cbbe5b714b38c153c2b921&threadid=37367


John Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com


Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
http://www.shopping.altavista.com

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:43:31 -0400
From: "Infernalist" <baali@wwnet.net>
Subject: Team3S: Hood Scoop for TT

Greets all,

I have a quick (probly dumb) question, while discussing my woes about
getting cool air to my K&N on my TT with a body man i know, he mentioned the
posibility of fabricating a Small scoop a few inches in front of where the
K&N sits. In theory this sounds like a good idea, and I know he is good and
the scoop will look good. We were discussing app 8 in. across rising perhaps
1.5 in off the hood surface, with a slight taper and large inlet cut in the
hood. my question is, is there any reason NOT to do this? I assume this has
been done before, and if so does anyone know if the results were an
improvement or not? Just trying to be creative a bit. Thanks in advance for
replys.

Ron Zilnsky

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:28:14 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

Weight is not an issue for 99% of the people on the list with these cars.

Yes the discussion evaporated months ago because I think the person took
their shock tower covers off and no extra airflow went in or came out of the
hood.  Maybe this person was not removing the seal at the firewall though.

I won't work on this because I have a second gen car and right now my
problems lie in trying to get my brakes, rotors, and pads to last longer at
track events than they do right now.

I have found lots of uses for the 1", 2", and 3" flexible ductwork though so
encourage people to try all sorts of things with those to pipe air into the
engine area.  Good luck.

I agree that $350 is a chunk but supply and demand on these cars is not very
much.  What did those carbon fiber hood people come up with as far as vents
in the hood like rally hoods with those big louvers/vents cut into them (not
great for a car wash but superb at exhausting heat).

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Robert Koch
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:42 PM
To: 'Jannusch, Matt'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: re: hood seal/airflow issue

Oh my god people...if any one is willing to pay 305.00 for these I'll make
it my top priority.
I was thinking somewhere along the 125.00 range. Lets get serious about
this, with all of the under hood temp conversations I think this would be
something of worthyness. who molds plastic out there? would aluminum suck
if it was only 50% heavier?

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:33:10 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?

I like ordering parts from Jeff Mohler because he knows what our cars need
and can give us a small discount.

It sounds like this would be the best setup for you:
- - Porterfield R4-S pads all around.
- - Porterfield rotors up front (all around if you have the money).
- - Stock rotors in back (if you want the basic setup).

The R4-S pads are great on the street and bite well for the occasional track
use.  Just be aware that they might work best when cold or hot so 10 laps
later you might not be able to brake at the same point as before, etc.

I am in discussion on another list about the cryo-treatment on Porterfield
rotors.  I currently have warped mine (previously thought impossible on
cryo-treated rotors) and heat cracked them clean through.  Heat cracks are
not really cracks but more of a fine fissure on the surface and when you
turn this down to expose a new surface - voila - you have more fissures on
the surface again.  So don't waste your $40 per rotor if you are only going
to occasionally visit the track.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 wishing to have the car at 3,200 #

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Jeff VanOrsdal
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:38 PM
To: Team3s Tech List
Subject: Team3S: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?


I'm shopping for brake pads for my Stealth and I'd like some opinion on the
Porterfield R4S and anything else comparable.  My ES has turbo calipers on
it but only weighs about 3200 lbs empty.  So I really don't need the massive
clamping force that the AWD cars need (but it would be nice to have :) )
I'm also looking for something that will go well with my Porterfield cryo
rotors (not slotted or drilled)  I know most of you are road course racers
so I'm hoping for some good answers :)

Jeff V.
1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
jeffv@1nce.com

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:36:26 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New "Honking / Whistle" noise. HELP!!

Matt,

   Not sure if you redid any hoses going to the BOV (or turbo bypass valve
technically) but here is a post from before.  Search the archives and see if
those help.  For your relief this is a normal sound that we all go through
after changing some hoses to the BOV or turbo or wastegate or Y-pipe, etc.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4 with honking goose mod

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 1:54 AM

The Archive Page is where you'll find links to all 900+ pages of past list
discussions.  They are listed by date, in calendar format.  But if you want
to narrow it down a bit, try our Search Page.  Enter "honk" or "honking
goose" and you'll probably get back a list of 30 or so pages.  If you want
to be really fancy, you can enter  +honk +K&N  and it will list only pages
where "honk" and "K&N" are both mentioned.  Since the K&N only lets you hear
the honk better - but it's a BOV problem - I suggest you enter  +honk -K&N,
to return only pages about honking where K&N is *not* mentioned;  or  +honk
+bov  might be even better...

Start at www.Team3S.com.  Happy Searching!  ;-)

Forrest

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:52:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?

> I am in discussion on another list about the cryo-treatment on Porterfield
> rotors.  I currently have warped mine (previously thought impossible on
> cryo-treated rotors) and heat cracked them clean through.  Heat cracks are
> not really cracks but more of a fine fissure on the surface and when you
> turn this down to expose a new surface - voila - you have more fissures on
> the surface again.  So don't waste your $40 per rotor if you are only going
> to occasionally visit the track.

Its NOT impossible to warp them, just much harder.  An uneven installation
(not flat/even at the hub or hub-ring) or improper cool-down procedures in
extreme conditions...could cause warping.  Rotors are not spring steel..it
can always happen.

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:44:11 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Warped rotors (was: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?)

Well I am living proof that they can warp.  I am not asking for money back
since I will no longer let them cool down improperly and have learned my
lesson but if they are not perfectly flat at the hub then that is a much
larger issue since every rotor I put on there will warp.

This was discussed by another member on another list but I don't know how
many of us would know how to look for that or have the time to have a
qualified person check this out.

I think the key to look for is the flatness of the hub and the flatness of
the mating part of the rotor.  If any of these are out of round then the
rotor will not be true.

What is the easiest way to check this?  White-out on the hub, torque down
the rotor, remove the rotor, see what areas are not smeared with white-out?
Or take it to a brake shop and ask them to check the flatness of this with a
straight edge or something?

I don't like throwing away money if it is a problem I can fix before the
next set of rotors go on.  However, I put on the freshly-turned rotors and
in the first stop I felt the wub-wub-wub of a warped rotor.  They did not
have time to heat and cool improperly.  I'm trying to find out how to fix
it.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:53 AM

Its NOT impossible to warp them, just much harder.  An uneven installation
(not flat/even at the hub or hub-ring) or improper cool-down procedures in
extreme conditions...could cause warping.  Rotors are not spring steel..it
can always happen.


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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Warped rotors (was: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?)

> This was discussed by another member on another list but I don't know how
> many of us would know how to look for that or have the time to have a
> qualified person check this out.
- ---
Paint the back of the rotor (inside the hat) with shoe polish, and bolt it
down to the hub slowly/evenly/tightly.

Look for areas that are NOT white..those are low points with possible high
points around/near them.  The high points cause cracking and perhaps
warping.
 
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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:00:36 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Warped rotors

Or in looking on the technical CD I guess anyone with a dial caliper (sure
we all have those) can mount the thing to measure the flatness of the hub or
the rotor hat.  I know I have anti-seize on mine so perhaps too much in one
section was making an uneven mounting surface also.  I'll try some of these
tricks and see what works.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:03 AM

Paint the back of the rotor (inside the hat) with shoe polish, and bolt it
down to the hub slowly/evenly/tightly.

Look for areas that are NOT white..those are low points with possible high
points around/near them.  The high points cause cracking and perhaps
warping.

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:23:10 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Street racing

Robert,

Don't get discouraged about a few bad posts.  It does not mean that everyone
is a jerk, just because a few wrote bad messages.  If the threats do not
stop, the admins can do something about it.  I already saw a few admins
supporting you.

As for the fines the cops are racking up.....that's ridiculous, but then
it's the law, and we all know the consequences for everything from speeding
to reckless driving to racing.

It's amazing how much cops get away with ....
Just 2 days ago I saw something on TLC (the learning channel) about
speeding, detectors/jammers, and a few towns in the country that devote a
considerable amount of time and effort to catching speeders.  They are
administering tickets far above the average town.  They are generating money
for their town.  And they are doing it "legally."  A shame.  It's just that
two branches of the government (executive and judicial) shook hands and the
system of checks and balances doesn't work in that town any more.  Let me
rephrase that-->three branches, because the legislative branch is the one
feeding them many of these ridiculous laws (gees...get a ticket for an
exhaust that is 50 states legal and passes emissions...THAT IS WRONG).  Boy,
I wish there was a system out there that would put red dots on my GPS screen
when they were nearby.  Until then, I'll have to make due with a radar/laser
jammer and my eyes.  The combination works wonderful.  Still...wishful
thinking on my part.

- -MIHAI-
95 Red VR4

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:59:08 -0700
From: Robert Koch <eK2mfg@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Street racing

I appologize to this board but this must stop..........

how much trash I'm getting from yesterdays post. I this continues
throughout the day I will "De-list" myself and continue business elsewhere.

this is getting very old very fast.....................please drop it.

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:51:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Street racing

> As for the fines the cops are racking up.....that's ridiculous, but then
> it's the law, and we all know the consequences for everything from speeding
> to reckless driving to racing.
- ---
Sometimes the only thing people respond to..is financial pain.
 
> It's amazing how much cops get away with ....
- ---
It's amazing how much people fall flat..and allow them to get away with..

> Just 2 days ago I saw something on TLC (the learning channel) about
> speeding, detectors/jammers, and a few towns in the country that devote a
> considerable amount of time and effort to catching speeders.  They are
> administering tickets far above the average town.  They are generating money
> for their town.  And they are doing it "legally."  A shame.  It's just that
> two branches of the government (executive and judicial) shook hands and the
> system of checks and balances doesn't work in that town any more.
- ---
Texas I belive, passed a law that only allowed a certain percentage of a
city's budget derive from traffic court collections to combat this.

> feeding them many of these ridiculous laws (gees...get a ticket for an
> exhaust that is 50 states legal and passes emissions...THAT IS WRONG).
- ---
No, its wrong that the person who got the ticket didnt fight it.  Its not
the cops job to interpret the law..he felt it was bad.  I got stopped for
that here in San Jose in the RX7.  I very -very- politely asked the
officer to show me the code I was being written for, and he actually did.
We discussed the merits of having to sit in court for a day (for both of
us) for him to defend a ticket he couldnt reasonably prove was worth a
stop.  It just "looked" illegal to him.  He let me off..was kinda cool.
Its amazing how much being polite can change a cop.  Dont hate them, they
deal with the scum of the earth day in and day out..ive seen good people
go to crap after becoming cops because of that.

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:44:31 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: BG Synchroshift fluid?

Everyone,

My brother wants to put BG Synchroshift fluid in his Transmission (94 TT).
Is there one universal weight or can he specify GL-4, SAE 75W-90 or 75W-85W?
He needs this for Michigan driving all year round (snow and hot 100+ deg F
summers).

TRANSMISSION FLUIDS
2.5 qts. = Manual transaxle <94 AWD> -- BG Synchroshift from
http://www.machv.com/bgsynchroshift.html for $36 for 3 quarts.

I found a source at MACH V for $12/qt.  Is this a good deal?  Anyone have
any coupons?  Can this stuff be bought locally at Autozone,Murrays,
Pepboys...?

- -MIKE-

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BG Synchroshift fluid?

Use redline, IMHO.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Mihai Raicu wrote:

> Everyone,
>
> My brother wants to put BG Synchroshift fluid in his Transmission (94 TT).
> Is there one universal weight or can he specify GL-4, SAE 75W-90 or 75W-85W?
> He needs this for Michigan driving all year round (snow and hot 100+ deg F
> summers).
>
> TRANSMISSION FLUIDS
> 2.5 qts. = Manual transaxle <94 AWD> -- BG Synchroshift from
> http://www.machv.com/bgsynchroshift.html for $36 for 3 quarts.
>
> I found a source at MACH V for $12/qt.  Is this a good deal?  Anyone have
> any coupons?  Can this stuff be bought locally at Autozone,Murrays,
> Pepboys...?
>
> -MIKE-

*New & Improved: http://www.speedtoys.com *


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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:51:05 -0400
From: "Michael Bulaon" <profilevr4@3000gtvr4.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Hesitation Problem WAS: MAS question.

Looks like you were right.  I went through my piping, although I couldn't
really find anything that popped off I went and re-fitted the pipes anyway
even using new clamps.


Well hesistation problem hasn't comeback since I did this about 4 days ago.

Thanks guys for all your input.

- -----Original Message-----
From: WALTER D. BEST [mailto:WDBO39@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:46 PM
To: Michael Bulaon
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Hesitation Problem WAS: MAS question.

If you did hit, what 1.2 bars or better, you more than likely blew off an
intercooler hose some where.  Go back through the hoses and tighten them up,
you'll more than likely find one that is not totally sealed.  Any time you
generate boost you are have the problem and when rubber on the hoses heats
up the problem become more apparent, since they become more flexible with
heat.  It's more than likely a minor leak and the car is drivable until you
start generating boost.

Do that before fooling around with your BOV, since you didn't change any on
it that isn't your problem.

Hope this helps,

Dave Best
http://davebest.dsmpower.com/

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 04:53:30 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?

> I'm shopping for brake pads for my Stealth and I'd like some opinion on
the Porterfield R4S and anything else comparable.  My ES has turbo calipers
on it but only weighs about 3200 lbs empty.  So I really don't need the
massive clamping force that the AWD cars need (but it would be nice to have
:) )  I'm also looking for something that will go well with my Porterfield
cryo rotors (not slotted or drilled)  I know most of you are road course
racers so I'm hoping for some good answers :)
> Jeff V., 1991 Stealth ESX Twin Turbo
- --------------------------------

My Stealth NT now has the R4-S pads, and I couldn't be happier with their
performance, both on the track and on the street.  Much more positive
stopping power, and only the slightest fade after repeated high-speed
braking at the track (4 consecutive 20-30 minute runs in 120 degree heat).
I disagree, BTW, that we don't need as much stopping power as the heavier
turbos...  I want the best brakes I can possibly have, since my interest in
safety is way bigger than my "need for speed".

We're all waiting to hear of Chuck Willis' experiences with the
newly-designed (to fit our cars) pads from Carbotech, too.  MOF, their new
VP, Andie Lin, just joined our list so he can answer any of our questions
and deal with problem issues.  Perhaps he will have some input if he sees
these posts.  I'd be curious about comparisons of their Panther pads (and
their high-temp pads) with Porterfield's offerings.  The Carbotech pad
compounds sound outstanding.

FYI, only "a few" of us on the list are road racers, but it may seem like
more, since we're so vocal.  But the whole idea of Team3S is sharing what we
learn about our cars with the other owners.  Those of us who race, learn *a
lot*.  What we bring to the list benefits many other owners who only "lurk",
and rarely post messages.  If even one owner learns how to stop their car
1/10th of a second faster in a panic stop from 80mph on the freeway, THAT
ability just saved them a car-length, and possibly avoided an accident.  It
may sound boring, but the reason I bought my Stealth in 1994 was for the
side-impact protection, dual airbags, and a little blurb I read in Consumer
reports:  "The Stealth has the shortest stopping distance we have ever
recorded".  I went right to the showroom.  :-)

Best,

Forrest

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Team3S: Engine removal

Hi all,

Does someone have Bob Fontana's URL?

Bob has a picture of his whole engine coming out.

Be of good cheer,
John


- --- Robert Booker <nsubooker@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Reply-to: "Robert Booker" <nsubooker@earthlink.net>
> From: "Robert Booker" <nsubooker@earthlink.net>
> To: "John T. Christian" <JCZooM@iname.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine removal
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:29:26 -0400
>
> I just checked, and my link is also dead. Maybe he
> is still on the list or
> somebody knows where the site is.

         team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Matt
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion.  The bookmark I have
> for Fontana comes back
> > obsolete.
> > Do you know his current site URL?
> >
> > Be of good cheer,
> > John

Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Pistons

Hi all,

Several people have suggested that I replace my
pistons with new forged pistons.

Question:  What brand and where do I purchase them?

Do forged pistons come with rods and wrist pins? Or do
I use my old stock ones?

Be of good cheer,
John

Please respond to jczoom@iname.com
'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine removal

http://www.pictperf.org/mitsvr4/

That link and 260 other owner links are on the HUGE Links page at my
web site. There are also some engine-removed pics on my Gallery web
page.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Christian" <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:06 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Team3S: Engine removal

Hi all,

Does someone have Bob Fontana's URL?

Bob has a picture of his whole engine coming out.

Be of good cheer,
John

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Pistons

My piston upgrade web page may answer some of your questions.

http://www.geocities.com/lutransys/jlucius2/j2-2-pistonguide.htm

Pistons do not come with rods. They should come with pins. Rings are
usually "extra".

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Christian" <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
To: "3sTeam3S" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:16 AM
Subject: Team3S: Pistons


Hi all,

Several people have suggested that I replace my
pistons with new forged pistons.

Question:  What brand and where do I purchase them?

Do forged pistons come with rods and wrist pins? Or do
I use my old stock ones?

Be of good cheer,
John

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:27:38 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: Team3S: Brakes (was: Good street/occasional track use brake pad?)

I am in the midst of helping a friend and his future delivery of the Alcon
6-piston brakes.  This will give more input and round out the story.  I'm
sure anyone who is going to get these is already aware of what changes are
necessary to their car.

I don't know what pads or type of rotor will be used with these so we'll
find out more later.

As for Chuck testing his pads -- that is the thrill of FIVE of us running at
Topeka in two weeks so we can compare pads, rotors, brake ducts, suspension,
etc.

- --Flash!
1995 VR-4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:53 AM
---------------------snip-------------
We're all waiting to hear of Chuck Willis' experiences with the
newly-designed (to fit our cars) pads from Carbotech, too.  MOF, their new
VP, Andie Lin, just joined our list so he can answer any of our questions
and deal with problem issues.  Perhaps he will have some input if he sees
these posts.  I'd be curious about comparisons of their Panther pads (and
their high-temp pads) with Porterfield's offerings.  The Carbotech pad
compounds sound outstanding.
------------------snip---------------------

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:51:35 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Passenger side window motor going out

Both door window motors are a documented problem in our cars (along with the
electric antenna and rear spoiler limit switches).  The first things the
dealer jumped in to fix on one of our cars that had extended warranty were
the door window motors and the wrinkled side glass decals!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Gonzales [SMTP:greggonzo1@hotmail.com]
>
> Has anyone replaced their passenger side window motor? Mine is barely able
to bring the window back up.
> Didnt I read that someone rebuilt theirs? Or used a different brand?
> Thanks
> Greg Gonzales
> 92 RT TT

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:08:33 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New "Honking / Whistle" noise. HELP!!

Completely stock?  Or do you have a K&N filtercharger? This sounds
suspiciously like the "honking goose" or "hoot owl"!

If you have the bandwidth, I will send you  the wavefile version.  Now that
it occurs to me, maybe I will post it to my speedtoys account ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlackLight [SMTP:BlackLight@Planetice.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:09 PM
> To: Nws3; Stealth@Stls. Verio. Net; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: New "Honking / Whistle" noise. HELP!!
>
> Hello all, I just started to notice a new noise in my car. It is very
> hard to describe, it's kind of like a medium to high pitch honk or
> whistle. It only occurs at about 2800 to 3100 RPM under light to semi
> light acceleration and only for about half a second.
>
> My first thought was a leaky BOV because it only briefly happens when
> the boost is built up pretty high, BUT I'm not on the throttle very
> much. I guess another way of saying it would be that the turbo's are
> spooled and creating boost, but the throttle plate is not open very far
> (in relation to the amount of gas pedal I have left). So is this the BOV
> leaking?? Or what would cause this. Thank you all for your help, and it
> is a completely stock 94 RT TT with 99k miles.
>
> Matt Nelson
> 1994 RT TT
> Computer Sales Consultant
> Gateway Computers, Salem OR
> Work Phone 503-587-7113
> BlackLight@Planetice.Net
> www.BlackLight.5u.com

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