team3s               Monday, May 7 2001               Volume 01 : Number 485




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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:48:19 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <KURT.ZOBEL@ca.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: CF Hood

Geoff,

Hey, you said CF hoods were bad, too much flex.  Sandbagger.
Are you getting one from GTPro? I was going to try for one to use at Willow but funds and time ran out before the Apr 28-29 event.

Kurt

- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:06 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Some new videos


http://speedracer.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/baer

most are in the RX7..there are some MR-Spyder ones however.

This was at the Baer Brake day at Buttonwillow a few weeks ago.

The RX-7 should show up on Popular Hot Rod TV soon..

Team3s Content:
VR4 is still down.
CF hood seems "close" to delivery

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com

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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:52:32 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Team3S: Water in Engine Bay

Hi all,

I'm planning on taking some time to clean my engine bay this weekend and
want to know what components I should cover / protect before cleaning
the engine bay.  I'm not going to use a pressure washer or anything like
that ... and don't have access to a steam cleaning facility, I'm just
planning on using some Simple Green and a low pressure small stream of
water.  Thanks in advance for any advice.

Greg



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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:28:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mihai Raicu <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Locking Lugnut Key Lock for VR4 needed

Everyone,

Does anyone have a locking lugnut key (6 point star shaped) from their VR4
that they do not need anymore?  Maybe some of you have replaced the
locking lugnuts on your 18" rims with regular ones.  I have a 95 VR4,
however, I do not think the year matters.  The part number is A990WL3C01.
I lost mine and I need to take the rims off.

http://mercury.cs.wayne.edu/~iraicu/personal/pictures/images/VR4tires/rims/new_rim.jpg
(picture of rim with locking lugnut for which I need key)

I hope I won't have a flat tire in the meantime.

Respond privately please.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4
Westland, MI


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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:07:57 -0600
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Team3S: Kumho 245/40ZR18 fixed my woes

Well, now I can't believe that I was driving around on these stupid
225/40R18 tires for as long as I did. I purchased a set of Kumho 245/40ZR18
from Tire Rack and had them installed yesterday. My car is finally driving
the way it should. The 225 tires on the stock chrome rims not only look
terrible, but they were very unsafe as the car would pull to either the
right or left depending on road variations. Also managed to bend 2 rims with
the 225 size installed. The only reason that I got them in the first place
was that I was enrooted back home and they were the only 18" tires I could
find in or around Colby, KS.


Tires are everything. I'd rather have proper tire fitment than additional
horsepower any day of the week.

Pretty quiet on the list today. Everybody must be enjoying the outdoors.

- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent


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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 11:35:24 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Team3S: Unequal tire sizes

Hello folks.

I have an opportunity to pick up two 245x40x17 Michelin Pilot Sport with zr
ratings for $10.00.

I need to know if they will work as front tires with my current Dunlap
245x45x17 zr rated rear tires.

I know that on a two wheel drive car there would be no problem. But, my 93
Stealth is AWD and I am not sure if it will be a problem or not. The only
difference I can see is the sidewall height and it is only 5 millimeters
difference. I don't even think it would make the headlights aim lower.

Your help and comments will be most appreciated.

Andy Woll
93 FSRed Stealth, TT, AWD.


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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 06:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 93 stealth sohc computer

Kristie,

What are your symptoms of an ECU "on the verge of going bad". Also,
what tests have you performed to confirm an ECU malfunction? Thanks.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <kristie1@thesimpsons.com>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:57 PM
Subject: Team3S: 93 stealth sohc computer

Does anybody have a 93 ecu for a sohc stealth for sale. Mine is on
the verge of going bad, and I want to replace it soon.

Also, could someone help me out, I got swapped to the digest version
on accident..;)
Thanks
Kristie


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:39:39 EDT
From: StevePKT77@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unequal tire sizes

It's not only a 5mm difference.  The 45 in the middle means 45% of the 245mm
is the sidewall height.  The 245 is both sidewall heights + the tread width. 
So your sidewall height on the 245/40zr17's is 98mm, and the sidewall height
on the 245/45zr17's is 110.25mm.  So you're talking a good 12+ mm of
difference (that's half an inch!).  I would say you shouldn't install that
type of setup on an awd car.  I would still buy the tires though, that's a
steal - you could easily re-sell them for more.
- -Steve
'92 Stealth R/T NA, Firestorm Red


In a message dated 5/6/01 2:13:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
awoll1@pacbell.net writes:

<< I have an opportunity to pick up two 245x40x17 Michelin Pilot Sport with zr
 ratings for $10.00.
 
 I need to know if they will work as front tires with my current Dunlap
 245x45x17 zr rated rear tires.
 
 I know that on a two wheel drive car there would be no problem. But, my 93
 Stealth is AWD and I am not sure if it will be a problem or not. The only
 difference I can see is the sidewall height and it is only 5 millimeters
 difference. I don't even think it would make the headlights aim lower. >>

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:39:10 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin: List, Website hiccups...

In case you all haven't figured it out already, the Team3S list and websites
have been experiencing "growing pains" since Geoff switched us to faster
servers.  Geoff & Nissa are racing all weekend, so he'll finish final
tweaking on Monday.  It also appears that we still have DNS problems that
are not necessarily within our control - we had to file some changes and the
Domain servers are taking their time in updating for some reason...  Geoff
will bring us all up to date when they return with all their trophys and
race reports.  :-)

As of this moment, the main website, www.Team3S.com appears to be working
again, but the older, mirror website, www.stealth-3000gt.st is pointing to
Geoff's speedtoys videos page.  That's a simple fix that will take place
tomorrow, too.

Thanks for your patience...

The Admins
www.Team3S.com




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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:33:11
From: "Greg Gonzales" <greggonzo1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Serpintine Belt replacement HELP!

Alright I am in a jam now. I have taken off that cover that takes forever to
take off and now I am looking at the serpentine belts and dont have a clue
as how to get them off.

I saw it on a website once but I dont remember..
HELP!!! please :-)

Greg G
92 RT TT

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:40:16 -0400
From: "Adam M. Kuhn" <amkuhn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

I have a question for the group.  I currently own a 95 3000GT Base and am
looking to upgrade to a Stealth R/T Twin Turbo, want to know what year I
should be looking at, looking for the best overall for options/horsepower.
And, what would be a good price for the year recommended.  I am currently in
the Philadelphia, PA area and looking to upgrade in the next 6 months.  I
recently moved to the area so don't know any good contacts in the area to
find the car.  Would you recommend buying from a dealer as opposed to a
private seller or does it matter, what should I look at (or have the
mechanic look at) specifically when looking at the vehicle.  For those of
you that have driven a NA and a Turbo, what will I notice as the biggest
difference.  One more thing, I currently have a K&N FIPK brand new in the
box, should I install it in my car or wait for the turbo.  Thanks for your
help!

You can email me privately with your help if you prefer!

Adam Kuhn
amkuhn@earthlink.net
1995 Caracas Red 3000GT Base


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:05:11 -0400
From: "Michael Bulaon" <profilevr4@3000gtvr4.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Serpintine Belt replacement HELP!

>>Alright I am in a jam now. I have taken off that cover that takes forever
to
>>take off and now I am looking at the serpentine belts and dont have a clue
>>as how to get them off.

>>I saw it on a website once but I dont remember..
>>HELP!!! please :-)

>>Greg G
>>92 RT TT


Well in short, you need to align the camshaft sprockets and the crankshaft
sprocket to their respective timing marks. Then you need to loosen the
tensioner pulley which will slack the belt allowing you to remove it.

Do you have the service manual? If not I suggest not going any further till
you get one.

Here's the page I think you were talking about.

http://www.team3s.com/60k.htm

However depending on your confidence in your own mechanical ability, I
wouldn't solely rely on that page.
It would be good for you to have the info from that page alongside a service
manual if this is your first time doing this.

BTW, I just finished replacing my timing belt and water pump (my first time
too) and can say that having the service manual helped me a lot.

Regards,
Michael Bulaon

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:04:41 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: Team3S: OT:  Mazda Miata Questions

Hi All.

I drove a Mazda Miata for the first time today.  The one I drove was a '95.  I am absolutely in love with the car.  Not for the same reasons I am in love with my 3000GT of course, its an entire different animal, and is very surprising.  I always thought of a Miata as an econo-box much like the lower end Civics. 

Regardless, I am ~possibly~ thinking of purchasing one to drive around town, and possibly in the future - autocross or race road course (SCCA?) with.  I'm not too familiar with either of the above, so I would probably want to drive in the showroom stock class - thats SCCA right?  Regardless - who out there owns one?  What years are good/bad.  I know the newer ones are pretty nice looking (almost rx-7ish), but I want one cheaper, so that if I do decide to get into racing and something happens to it, I'm not out too terribly much.  What is anyones experience out there with these cars? 

All I really know was about 6 hours worth of driving around in one.  I can tell they are light, pretty agile, and fairly powerful in the higher revs.  (for as light and small of a car). 

Any other info anyone would like to give me would be of great help.  As this doesn't pertain to 3/S cars themselves, I'll remind you to please respond privately to overclck@starband.net

- -Cody

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 03:27:15 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: Team3S: OT:  Mazda Miata Questions

Hi All.

I drove a Mazda Miata for the first time today.  The one I drove was a '95.  I am absolutely in love with the car.  Not for the same reasons I am in love with my 3000GT of course, its an entire different animal, and is very surprising.  I always thought of a Miata as an econo-box much like the lower end Civics. 

Regardless, I am ~possibly~ thinking of purchasing one to drive around town, and possibly in the future - autocross or race road course (SCCA?) with.  I'm not too familiar with either of the above, so I would probably want to drive in the showroom stock class - thats SCCA right?  Regardless - who out there owns one?  What years are good/bad.  I know the newer ones are pretty nice looking (almost rx-7ish), but I want one cheaper, so that if I do decide to get into racing and something happens to it, I'm not out too terribly much.  What is anyones experience out there with these cars? 

All I really know was about 6 hours worth of driving around in one.  I can tell they are light, pretty agile, and fairly powerful in the higher revs.  (for as light and small of a car). 

Any other info anyone would like to give me would be of great help.  As this doesn't pertain to 3/S cars themselves, I'll remind you to please respond privately to overclck@starband.net

- -Cody


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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:06:04 +1000
From: M.Korsinczky@mailbox.uq.edu.au
Subject: Team3S: intercooler water spray

Hey

I'm currently running about 0.9 bar and getting about 320kW out of my
VR4.

I've heard that water spray in the intercooler allows an extra 5-6 lb of
boost.

That equates to a lot of horsepower.

Does anyone have any experience with this.

Michael

Black VR4 GTO


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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:07:51 +1000
From: M.Korsinczky@mailbox.uq.edu.au
Subject: Team3S: gear box

Hey

My gearbox is very tight in first gear after the car is driven for a
while.

It happens a bit in other gears sometimes.

Sometimes almost impossible to shift.

I just had it deglazed and a heavy duty clutch put in.

Has anyone had a similar experience and did they solve it.

Thanks

Michael

Black VR4 GTO

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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:04:43 -0500
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: 92 base stealth - parts car for sale

Hello list/cult members,

Last week I was at a small dealership that had more than a few
wrecked or dejected vehicles in its back lot. One of these was
a 92 base stealth, red in color, for sale. The price, as I was led to
believe, was 300 dollars. This car is almost all complete with motor and
trans, interior (grey) and most body panels in decent shape. So, if
anyone is interested, call USA Cars, 1101 S Highway 78,  Wylie, TX
(972) 442-1111.

Regards,
john 93 es


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:16:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: CF Hood

I said what?

I said CHEAP hoods sucked once..but repeat where I made the blanket
statement that theyre all bad.

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Zobel, Kurt wrote:

> Geoff,
>
> Hey, you said CF hoods were bad, too much flex.  Sandbagger.
> Are you getting one from GTPro? I was going to try for one to use at Willow but funds and time ran out before the Apr 28-29 event.
>
> Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:06 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Some new videos
>
>
> http://speedracer.speedtoys.com/~gemohler/baer
>
> most are in the RX7..there are some MR-Spyder ones however.
>
> This was at the Baer Brake day at Buttonwillow a few weeks ago.
>
> The RX-7 should show up on Popular Hot Rod TV soon..
>
> Team3s Content:
> VR4 is still down.
> CF hood seems "close" to delivery
>
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: [Admin] Re: Team3S: OT: Recommendations for a clutch on an RX-7??

Sorry for the off topic response.

This is a Stealth/3000GT list.

Try an RX-7 list please.

On Fri, 4 May 2001, Michael D. Crose wrote:

> Sorry for the off topic post but I know some of you have RX-7's.  My buddy
> has a '94 and he needs to get a clutch.  He doesn't plan on doing too many
> mods to his car but does plan to increase power a little bit.  What clutches
> would you recommend?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael D. Crose

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:24:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unequal tire sizes

> I have an opportunity to pick up two 245x40x17 Michelin Pilot Sport with zr
> ratings for $10.00.
>
> I need to know if they will work as front tires with my current Dunlap
> 245x45x17 zr rated rear tires.
- ---
You already know the answer..dont do it. :^)

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:25:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unequal tire sizes

Also..the car will drive kinda odd..one type of tire will stick/act
differently than the other.

On Sun, 6 May 2001 StevePKT77@aol.com wrote:

> It's not only a 5mm difference.  The 45 in the middle means 45% of the 245mm
> is the sidewall height.  The 245 is both sidewall heights + the tread width. 
> So your sidewall height on the 245/40zr17's is 98mm, and the sidewall height
> on the 245/45zr17's is 110.25mm.  So you're talking a good 12+ mm of
> difference (that's half an inch!).  I would say you shouldn't install that
> type of setup on an awd car.  I would still buy the tires though, that's a
> steal - you could easily re-sell them for more.
> -Steve
> '92 Stealth R/T NA, Firestorm Red
>
>
> In a message dated 5/6/01 2:13:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> awoll1@pacbell.net writes:
>
> << I have an opportunity to pick up two 245x40x17 Michelin Pilot Sport with zr
>  ratings for $10.00.

>  I need to know if they will work as front tires with my current Dunlap
>  245x45x17 zr rated rear tires.

>  I know that on a two wheel drive car there would be no problem. But, my 93
>  Stealth is AWD and I am not sure if it will be a problem or not. The only
>  difference I can see is the sidewall height and it is only 5 millimeters
>  difference. I don't even think it would make the headlights aim lower. >>
>
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Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA
http://www.speedtoys.com


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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:04:10 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

Adam,

To answer a few of your questions .... In the Stealth R/T TT, the best year for
options and horse power is the 1994.  It is the last year with all the Bells and
Whistles and has the full 320 HP of all the 2nd Gen. Stealth TTs.  In 1995-1996
model years, quite a few of the option parts were dropped off the car because
Dodge knew it was going to be discontinued, but the 1995-1996 cars do have the
full 320 HP and AWS and AWD that make the car what it really is.  Prior to 1994,
the Stealth TTs were only 300 HP and had the pop-up headlights and a variety of
different options depending on the year.

For used cars I personally like to buy cars from private owners because you
generally negotiate a better price than you can through a dealer.  The private
owner definitely wants to sell the car, whereas the dealer wants to sell the
car, but only if they get their price .... the dealer is less likely to
negotiate than a private owner.  Plus, by buying from the owner you can ask a
series of questions designed to find out how the car was driven and how it was
taken care of ... which is valuable information for setting the price and
knowing what the car is really worth.  Most dealers will not be able to give you
that info. first hand or they may just tell you what you want to hear.

I have driven both a NA and Turbo Stealth, and while the NAs (particularly the
R/Ts) have a lot of get up and go, it is NOTHING like the push you back in the
seat power of the TT.  I've driven a lot of car in my day and without question
the Stealth R/T TT is the best handling, fastest and most agile car I've ever
owned.  I highly recommend it.

And finally ... wait for the TT to install your FIPK.  The FIPK will help the NA
car some, perhaps the Turbo would benefit a little more, BUT my real rationale
is that why invest the time and expensive of installing the FIPK just to give it
to someone else.   Plus, if you do end up selling or trading in your car to a
dealer, they may assume that you added the FIPK because you wanted to race your
Base and that may hurt your re-sale value, even though we all know that isn't
the case.

Good Luck.

Greg

P.S.  Look on the net to find some good sources for purchasing a Stealth TT,
too.  You can find some great cars for a decent price if you're willing to shop
around a little.  It may take you the 6 months you're thinking about waiting,
but what difference does it make if you get the car you want.  Oh, and BTW ...
the price can range from 10 - 20 K depending on the mileage, condition, and a
bunch of other factors ... we'd need more specific information to help you set
an expected price.



"Adam M. Kuhn" wrote:

> I have a question for the group.  I currently own a 95 3000GT Base and am
> looking to upgrade to a Stealth R/T Twin Turbo, want to know what year I
> should be looking at, looking for the best overall for options/horsepower.
> And, what would be a good price for the year recommended.  I am currently in
> the Philadelphia, PA area and looking to upgrade in the next 6 months.  I
> recently moved to the area so don't know any good contacts in the area to
> find the car.  Would you recommend buying from a dealer as opposed to a
> private seller or does it matter, what should I look at (or have the
> mechanic look at) specifically when looking at the vehicle.  For those of
> you that have driven a NA and a Turbo, what will I notice as the biggest
> difference.  One more thing, I currently have a K&N FIPK brand new in the
> box, should I install it in my car or wait for the turbo.  Thanks for your
> help!
>
> You can email me privately with your help if you prefer!
>
> Adam Kuhn

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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:12:40 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Team3S: Unequal tire sizes - thanks for the responses

Thanks for all the info folks. Steve - I took your advice. I bought the
tires (they have 7/32nds left on them when new has 10/32nds). I am going to
try to either sell them or use them on my BMW. I will not, however, use them
on my Stealth unless I buy two more for the back. Tire Rack has them at $250
each. That is pretty expensive for me but with two in hand for $10 maybe all
four at about $600.00 balanced and mounted is not that bad. I guess I don't
have to decide right now. My current front tires still have about 10,000
miles left and the rears are brand new.  Thanks to all of you who responded
especially Geogh, Steve and Cody.

Andy


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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:14:51 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Team3S: Unequal tire sizes - thanks (and sorry Geoff)

Sorry I mispelled your name Geoff. Won't happen again.

Andy


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Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:20:59 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

Just a sample of what is available on the net. I bought my Firestorm Red 93
Stealth TT-AWD (110,000 miles) on April 1 of this year for $7800. I live in
California and had to fly back to Missouri to get the car. Fortunately, the
seller was a very honest guy and had kept the car in very good shape.
Driving the 2000 miles back to California was  a blast. I went through the
Bonneville Salt Flats, but the race course part is only runnable in the
summer. Right now it is still under the winters rains. My point is that
there are good deals out there, but once out of my local area I realized I
was at the mercy of the seller. If the car had been a lemon I would have
really regretted it. Caveat Emptor on the WEB.

Andy


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Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:57:27 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

> To answer a few of your questions .... In the Stealth
> R/T TT, the best year for options and horse power is
> the 1994.  It is the last year with all the Bells and
> Whistles and has the full 320 HP of all the 2nd Gen.
> Stealth TTs.  In 1995-1996 model years, quite a few
> of the option parts were dropped off the car because
> Dodge knew it was going to be discontinued, but the
> 1995-1996 cars do have the full 320 HP and AWS and AWD
> that make the car what it really is.  Prior to 1994,
> the Stealth TTs were only 300 HP and had the pop-up
> headlights and a variety of different options
> depending on the year.

I'd disagree that the '94 is the best year car to get.  It has non
OBD-compliant diagnostic connectors (so there are no datalogging tools for
it) and the glass headlamp lenses that moisture problems.  The 320hp is not
a big deal.  The extra 20 HP of later models can be gotten for free by
simply removing the boost solenoid restrictor orifice in under a minute
(don't ask for details about this - look in the Archives).

Now, if you are looking for a car to just run stock or do mild modifications
to (just a boost controller and a K&N and exhaust work) then the datalogging
capability doesn't matter much and most any year will work - depending on
what style you like and whether or not you want a 6-speed or 5-speed tranny.
If you go beyond those mods, then you'll miss not having a datalogger that
works - in which case a '91-93 is actually the best bet with '96 OBD-II cars
being "acceptable".

So, first figure out what you want to do with the car and then pick the year
that matches your own personal criteria.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 01:59:27 -0700
From: "Jose Soriano" <Amahoser@linkline.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

There are many thins to consider as to which year is "best."

That depends on what you are looking for. Personally, as far as the
Stealth's go, 91-93, in my opinion, looks best. If you want a car to
upgrade, these are also the best years considering the relatively low prices
these cars go for. Also, as mentioned earlier, dataloging is possible with
these cars. Wanna track car? 95-96 would be a better option. These cars
weigh considerably less since many options and gee-whiz gadgets are missing
in these years. Most importantly, AWS is not there. I believe that Trevor
has put his '96 on the scales at somewhere around 3500 lbs! For a road-race
or drag car, this would be the ideal model to have. If you are going with a
91-93, the 93 would be the better year. It still has the 5speed manual
unfortunatley, but the output shaft on the tranny is beefier than previous
years. Also, the crankshaft is the machined steel crank instead of the cast
one. I'm not sure where the '94 models falls in this equation. I don't know
wether or not it has AWS but I'm pretty sure it has the six speed. BTW, the
AWS is only deleted in the Stealth series, not the 3000GT series. If you are
looking for a good street car, with a few mods, pick out the year that looks
best to you for your money.... Can afford to spend more? Get the newer ones
with the fancy non-popup headlights and the six-speed tranny. You won't miss
datalogging if you only do basic mods.

Hoser



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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:03:41 -0400
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Locking Lugnut Key Lock for VR4 needed

Jim and Liz,

Thanks for the info on the lock key.  I'll give them a call today to get a
key.  I do have the info on the key.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4


>
> I think there are multiple configurations --- McGard is the
> outfit that sells them,
> call 1-800-444-5847 or 1-716-662-9617. I bought one for my car a few years
> ago for $10 ea.


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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:22:45 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: race day tip

This is a Nascar trick.  I'd be real curious which brand comes off without
taking up the pain. This would be really nice for track use, notwithstanding
those who won't drive bra-less (Flash)!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:28 PM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Cc: Tim; kurt zobel; Jose Soriano; Jim Berry; George Kuo; damon Rachell;
> Bruce; Geoff Mohler
> Subject: Team3S: race day tip
>
> An equipment saving tip I picked up from the some Viper drivers
> while at Willow Springs ---- to protect the front of their cars while
> driving at high speeds at open track events they cover the portions
> of the car at risk with clear vinyl shelf covering. The sticky back shelf
> liner gets a little tattered over the course of the weekind but I was
> told it peels off eaisly and cleans up with soap and water. Worth a
> try if you want to protect the front of your car from rock damage.
> It's probably too late for my car --- the front bumper cover is pretty
> beat up, but, when I get it repainted I'll keep it in mind.
>
> I'd try it out on a small area, leave it on for a few days and then
> remove it. They said the stuff sold at almost any hardware store
> is all that's needed.

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Date: Mon, 7 May 01 09:19:58 -0500
From: potter <potter@interaccess.com>
Subject: Team3S: Idle problem after plug wire change

I don't think this is the typical ISC problem so I will give the details of
what is happening.

I changed the wires in my 91 VR4 (they were originals and it had a
miss/hesitation).  It now runs and pulls better but won't idle.  It tries to
idle so low it dies at stops.  It idled fine before the change.  Yes, I did
change the plenum gasket.  One of the reason I don't think it is the ISC is
that I can drive it with the AC on since the idle is bumped up enough to keep
it running.  I like AC, but with the price of gas, (Chicago area) I don't the
compressor running when it is 50F out.

I don't have much time to work on it this week, but am looking for some
suggestions.  I plan on doing a pressure test to look for any leaks and if
that checks out then I guess I just try to adjust the idle as per the manual. 
Any ideas why new plug wires would have such an effect?

- -Bill
91 VR4
3SI #49


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Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:20:54 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Looking to upgrade

Re-read what I said, Matt.  I said the '94 was the best combination of
options
and horsepower.  The original writer specifically said he was looking
for the
best combination of power and bells and whistles ... in the Stealth, the
94
Stealth is the car.  The first gens. didn't have all of the options that
ultimately got into the 94 and the 95-96s started having options dropped
out.  I
was not specifically saying which year was the "Best" car ... only what
was the
best year for what the writer was seeking.  Granted the 20 extra HP can
easily
be compensated for with a few simple mods. and the lack of datalogging
ability
may be an issue for those trying to really tune the car to high
performance
conditions, but it just depends on what you need/want.  Oh and I've
never had a
problem with fogging in my headlights and have heard of plenty of first
gen.
owners that have had that problem, so that's not really a valid
argument.  In
short, I agree with you completely ... figure out what you want to do
with the
car and buy one accordingly.

Greg


"Jannusch, Matt" wrote:

> I'd disagree that the '94 is the best year car to get.  It has non
> OBD-compliant diagnostic connectors (so there are no datalogging tools for
> it) and the glass headlamp lenses that moisture problems.  The 320hp is not
> a big deal.  The extra 20 HP of later models can be gotten for free by
> simply removing the boost solenoid restrictor orifice in under a minute
> (don't ask for details about this - look in the Archives).
>
> Now, if you are looking for a car to just run stock or do mild modifications
> to (just a boost controller and a K&N and exhaust work) then the datalogging
> capability doesn't matter much and most any year will work - depending on
> what style you like and whether or not you want a 6-speed or 5-speed tranny.
> If you go beyond those mods, then you'll miss not having a datalogger that
> works - in which case a '91-93 is actually the best bet with '96 OBD-II cars
> being "acceptable".
>
> So, first figure out what you want to do with the car and then pick the year
> that matches your own personal criteria.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:51:45 +0200
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Team3S: headlight "fogging"

The infamous headlight "fogging" common with the '94 model year has been
mentioned in a few recent posts, and I thought I would mention that it is
correctable.  Last weekend I followed the instructions on John Adams' Repair
Center web site (http://user.icx.net/~adams/repair_main.htm) and separated
the glass cover from each light module to clean up the film that had
accumulated.  It is not moisture, as some have suggested, rather it is a
tough layer of scale, presumably caused by outgassing in the sealed
enclosure.  At any rate, some scrubbing with Mopar Window Cleaner was all it
took, and other than the pitting on the outside (rock chips, etc.), they
look like new!  The entire process can be completed in 30-45 minutes (per
side) and is well worth it.

Thanks John for blazing the trail on this one.  I would add the following
notes to his tutorial:

1) A hair dryer is perfect - just hot enough to soften the seal, yet not hot
enough to distort the plastic.  Have an assistant aim the dryer while you
work on separation of the two halves.

2) John mentions cutting the seal with a utility knife.  To clarify, cutting
along the top of the seal makes little difference.  Concentrate on softening
the seal with heat and use several large screwdrivers to pry the case open.
Do not push too hard, or the glass will splinter and/or the plastic will get
gouged up (neither is visible once the enclosure is resealed and
reinstalled).  The glass section slides into the plastic lower section, and
the seal is sticky throughout the contact patch.  Once you've pried the two
halves apart enough to see the bottom edge of the glass section, THEN use
the utility knife to sever the seal.  Be careful not to cut into the
plastic, as this will expose the white under the paint.  Even though such
cuts will end up down low where it appears unlikely to be seen, it WILL be
slightly visible due to refraction through the glass; use a permanent
colored marker or touch-up paint before reassembly.

3) Do not use caulk or other sealant when pressing the halves back together.
Enough of the original seal will remain, and additional sealant will likely
splooge and end up unsightly.

That's about it.  Yes, I scratched some of my plastic, and yes, I used
caulk, and yes, I'll have to take both enclosures apart again to paint the
scratches and remove the caulk.  :-|  I hope the above saves someone the
trouble!

Good luck, and enjoy.

- - --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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