team3s
Wednesday, December 6
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
342
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Date:
Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:37:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Getrag + Redline
I personally use heavy shockproof, but we
roadrace, no drag/street use.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Mikael Kenson
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Supra guys also have Getrag
transmissions and some of them reports
> problems with syncros in
combination with Redline oil. Redline even admits
> there is a problem
with the Getrag/Redline combo. Below is the response from
> Redline. Maybe
this is something that we should take into consideration as
>
well...
> -------------------------------
> Regarding the use of
D4ATF in Supra Turbo Getrag transmissions, '93-'98.
>
> At this
time we do not recommend the use of any Red Line product in these
>
particular transmissions. The recommendation of D4ATF in these
transmissions
> was determined based on the original type fluid used. The
D4ATF uses the
> same additive chemistry as the OEM V160 fluid.
>
> At this time we don't fully understand why the fluid requirements are
so
> critical and why the design of the transmission is so sensitive as
to
> require the exact specific fluid. Where the replacement of a Dexron
III
> fluid, the V160 with the D4ATF also a Dexron III fluid would cause
any
> degradation of performance. We are further evaluating the
transmission and
> the effects of fluid on it's operation.
>
> >From this point on, we recommend only the OEM V160 fluid be
used.
>
> Regards, Dave
> Red Line Oil
>
>
>
> *** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
>
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:39:25
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
Merritt:
Since its
not a production tranny (like in the millions like the other
Dana products)
you can probly expect the same focused attention Getrag
gave us. They
simply build bodies to replace a handful per month..and in
that instance its
a 0 profit item in thier books.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Merritt
wrote:
> I sent the message below over the weekend. Except for a
couple of comments,
> this post has been ignored by both lists. I can only
assume that acquiring
> parts for our transmissions is not a burning issue
to anyone on the list
> except for those few people who have a broken
transmission at this very
> moment.
>
> OK, I can take a
hint. I'll write a letter to Joe on my own behalf.
>
> Is there
anyone out there who can sum up the status of replacement parts
> for the
six-speed transmission? What's the official Getrag position? When I
> ask
Joe for help, I'd like to be accurate.
>
> To keep from boring
everyone on the list with a subject that apparently is
> not very
interesting, please send any info to me off-list at
>
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
> Thanks.
> Rich/old poop
>
_______________________________
> Here's the post I sent over the
weekend:
>
> This may be a break for us.
> Dana Corp has
purchased Getrag. See the press release below.
> We may have much more
luck pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
> available than we do
dealing with a faraway stuck-up German company.
>
> We can start
calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and bugging the
> beegeezus out of
him right away, or we can launch a carefully orchestrated
> campaign.
>
> I suggest we start by asking somebody like Jack T or anyone
else who has
> delved deeply into the synchro parts problem to lay out the
facts for us,
> and then -- and only then -- we should bombard Joe with
phone calls,
> e-mails and letters, pleading for him to make our parts
available. Any spin
> wizards out there have any other suggestions on how
to do this? Let's not
> go off the deep end until we get our weapons lined
up, and then let's hit
> them with an avalanche. This issue affects
EVERYONE on these 3S lists, so
> we should do it right.
>
>
The floor is now open for discussion on how to proceed.
>
>
Rich/old poop
>
> Dana Completes Agreement to Acquire Interest in
European Manufacturer
> Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 -- Dana Corporation
(NYSE: DCN) today announced
> that it has completed the purchase of an
interest in GETRAG Getriebe- und
> Zahnradfabrik Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH
& Cie, a manufacturer of
> transmissions, transaxles, axles, and other
automotive components.
> Headquartered in Ludwigsburg, Germany, the
company had sales of $750
> million in 1999. Financial terms of the
agreement were not disclosed.
>
> "This relationship will support
our global growth strategy for the
> passenger car market, and enhance our
focus on advanced automotive
> technologies," said Dana Chairman and CEO
Joe Magliochetti. "GETRAG has a
> highly skilled workforce and a solid
reputation for precision engineering,
> quality, and innovation. We have
great respect for this fine organization
> and we are excited about
expanding Dana's relationship with GETRAG."
>
> Dana acquired a
30-percent stake in GETRAG Cie, the parent company of the
> GETRAG group
of companies, and a 49-percent stake in GETRAG's North
> American
operations. Bill Carroll, president of Dana's Automotive Systems
> Group,
will be on the Advisory Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
>
> "This
strategic partnership strengthens Dana's automotive offerings
> globally,
and particularly enhances our opportunities in the European
> passenger
car market," Mr. Carroll said.
>
> "Strategically, this
transaction is very similar to our recent
> collaboration with GKN to
produce advanced driveline technologies. GETRAG's
> transaxle and gear
manufacturing technologies are highly complementary to
> our expertise and
will enable us to further develop our under-the-vehicle
> technology,
products, and systems," he added.
>
> Dana and GETRAG will
establish a joint technology council to explore ways
> to further advance
automotive applications for design and technology. The
> two companies
also will create a joint marketing council to bring the
> resulting new
products and innovations to market rapidly.
>
> In addition to
strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN, Dana also recently
> announced an
alliance with Motorola, Inc., aimed at enhancing product
> performance and
reliability. Electronics leader Motorola will provide Dana
> with access
to advanced electronics technology. In return, Dana will
> incorporate
this technology within its advanced chassis, drivetrain, and
> engine
systems and will leverage its expertise in infrastructure to take
> these
new products to market.
>
> GETRAG is a major supplier to the
European automotive industry and has an
> excellent reputation for the
quality of its products and technologies. The
> company employs some 5,000
people in 11 manufacturing facilities worldwide.
> Its major customers
include Audi, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
> Jaguar, Porsche, and
Volkswagen.
>
> Dana Corporation is one of the world's largest
independent suppliers to
> vehicle manufacturers and their related
aftermarkets. Founded in 1904 and
> based in Toledo, Ohio, the company
operates some 320 major facilities in 32
> countries and employs more than
80,000 people. The company reported sales
> of $13.2 billion in 1999.
Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com .
>
>
>
> Large media outlets:
>
> Gary
Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
> (419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com>
>
Jeff Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
> (419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com>
> Small
to midsize media outlets:
>
> Denise LaFleur, Communications
Specialist
>
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com> (419)
535-4500
>
>
>
>
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:40:34
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
The procedures in the Svc.
Manual werent clear on pedal adjustment?
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ken Wheeler
wrote:
> I feel your pain. I asked a similar question regarding
pedal adjustment and
> how it should feel. Not a single
response. Well, I've burned up one brand
> new clutch due to a
mis-adjusted pedal and I hope not to burn up another
> one.
>
> Ken
> '92 RT/TT
> '67 Mustang.
>
> BTW, I
don't have an answer to your tranny question. :)
>
>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
To: <
stealth@starnet.net>; <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
> <
xwing@execpc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday,
December 06, 2000 8:46 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by
Dana
>
>
> > I sent the message below over the weekend.
Except for a couple of
> comments,
> > this post has been ignored
by both lists. I can only assume that acquiring
> > parts for our
transmissions is not a burning issue to anyone on the list
> > except
for those few people who have a broken transmission at this very
> >
moment.
> >
> > OK, I can take a hint. I'll write a letter to
Joe on my own behalf.
> >
> > Is there anyone out there who
can sum up the status of replacement parts
> > for the six-speed
transmission? What's the official Getrag position? When
> I
> >
ask Joe for help, I'd like to be accurate.
> >
> > To keep
from boring everyone on the list with a subject that apparently is
> >
not very interesting, please send any info to me off-list at
> >
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
>
> > Thanks.
> > Rich/old poop
> >
_______________________________
> > Here's the post I sent over the
weekend:
> >
> > This may be a break for us.
> > Dana
Corp has purchased Getrag. See the press release below.
> > We may have
much more luck pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
> > available
than we do dealing with a faraway stuck-up German company.
> >
>
> We can start calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and bugging the
>
> beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a carefully
orchestrated
> > campaign.
> >
> > I suggest we start
by asking somebody like Jack T or anyone else who has
> > delved deeply
into the synchro parts problem to lay out the facts for us,
> > and
then -- and only then -- we should bombard Joe with phone calls,
> >
e-mails and letters, pleading for him to make our parts available. Any
>
spin
> > wizards out there have any other suggestions on how to do
this? Let's not
> > go off the deep end until we get our weapons lined
up, and then let's hit
> > them with an avalanche. This issue affects
EVERYONE on these 3S lists, so
> > we should do it right.
>
>
> > The floor is now open for discussion on how to
proceed.
> >
> > Rich/old poop
> >
> > Dana
Completes Agreement to Acquire Interest in European Manufacturer
> >
Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 -- Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN) today
announced
> > that it has completed the purchase of an interest in
GETRAG Getriebe- und
> > Zahnradfabrik Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH &
Cie, a manufacturer of
> > transmissions, transaxles, axles, and other
automotive components.
> > Headquartered in Ludwigsburg, Germany, the
company had sales of $750
> > million in 1999. Financial terms of the
agreement were not disclosed.
> >
> > "This relationship will
support our global growth strategy for the
> > passenger car market,
and enhance our focus on advanced automotive
> > technologies," said
Dana Chairman and CEO Joe Magliochetti. "GETRAG has a
> > highly
skilled workforce and a solid reputation for precision engineering,
> >
quality, and innovation. We have great respect for this fine
organization
> > and we are excited about expanding Dana's relationship
with GETRAG."
> >
> > Dana acquired a 30-percent stake in
GETRAG Cie, the parent company of the
> > GETRAG group of companies,
and a 49-percent stake in GETRAG's North
> > American operations. Bill
Carroll, president of Dana's Automotive Systems
> > Group, will be on
the Advisory Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
> >
> > "This
strategic partnership strengthens Dana's automotive offerings
> >
globally, and particularly enhances our opportunities in the European
>
> passenger car market," Mr. Carroll said.
> >
> >
"Strategically, this transaction is very similar to our recent
> >
collaboration with GKN to produce advanced driveline technologies.
>
GETRAG's
> > transaxle and gear manufacturing technologies are highly
complementary to
> > our expertise and will enable us to further
develop our under-the-vehicle
> > technology, products, and systems,"
he added.
> >
> > Dana and GETRAG will establish a joint
technology council to explore ways
> > to further advance automotive
applications for design and technology. The
> > two companies also will
create a joint marketing council to bring the
> > resulting new
products and innovations to market rapidly.
> >
> > In
addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN, Dana also recently
>
> announced an alliance with Motorola, Inc., aimed at enhancing
product
> > performance and reliability. Electronics leader Motorola
will provide Dana
> > with access to advanced electronics technology.
In return, Dana will
> > incorporate this technology within its
advanced chassis, drivetrain, and
> > engine systems and will leverage
its expertise in infrastructure to take
> > these new products to
market.
> >
> > GETRAG is a major supplier to the European
automotive industry and has an
> > excellent reputation for the quality
of its products and technologies. The
> > company employs some 5,000
people in 11 manufacturing facilities
> worldwide.
> > Its major
customers include Audi, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
> >
Jaguar, Porsche, and Volkswagen.
> >
> > Dana Corporation is
one of the world's largest independent suppliers to
> > vehicle
manufacturers and their related aftermarkets. Founded in 1904 and
> >
based in Toledo, Ohio, the company operates some 320 major facilities in
>
32
> > countries and employs more than 80,000 people. The company
reported sales
> > of $13.2 billion in 1999. Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com .
> >
>
>
> >
> > Large media outlets:
> >
> >
Gary Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
> > (419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com>
>
> > Jeff Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
> >
(419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com> >
>
> Small to midsize media outlets:
> >
> > Denise LaFleur,
Communications Specialist
> >
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com> >
(419) 535-4500
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
>
>
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:43:34
-0700
From: "Ken Wheeler" <
kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
Thanks for the reply, and
as for Shane, he probably needs a little more
beauty rest as do some of us
others (including me). :)
I'm clear on how to adjust, but to what
specs. Can you adjust too far?
Before, the clutch wasn't engaging until
the top of the pedal throw, now
it's about 2 inches off of the floor after a
new clutch and pedal
adjustment. I suppose that after replacing a
clutch with the help of Jeff
Lucius..... TWICE..... you get a little paranoid
and want to make sure it's
right.
Ken
'92 RT/TT
'67
Mustang
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
<
stealth@starnet.net>
Cc:
<
stealth@stls.verio.net>;
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
<
xwing@execpc.com>;
"Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Sent:
Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag
bought by Dana
>
> The procedures in the Svc. Manual werent
clear on pedal adjustment?
>
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ken Wheeler
wrote:
>
> > I feel your pain. I asked a similar question
regarding pedal adjustment
and
> > how it should feel. Not a
single response. Well, I've burned up one
brand
> > new clutch
due to a mis-adjusted pedal and I hope not to burn up another
> >
one.
> >
> > Ken
> > '92 RT/TT
> > '67
Mustang.
> >
> > BTW, I don't have an answer to your tranny
question. :)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message
-----
> > From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
> To: <
stealth@starnet.net>;
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
> > <
xwing@execpc.com>
> > Sent:
Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:46 AM
> > Subject: Team3S: Once again:
Getrag bought by Dana
> >
> >
> > > I sent the
message below over the weekend. Except for a couple of
> >
comments,
> > > this post has been ignored by both lists. I can only
assume that
acquiring
> > > parts for our transmissions is not a
burning issue to anyone on the
list
> > > except for those few
people who have a broken transmission at this
very
> > >
moment.
> > >
> > > OK, I can take a hint. I'll write a
letter to Joe on my own behalf.
> > >
> > > Is there
anyone out there who can sum up the status of replacement
parts
> >
> for the six-speed transmission? What's the official Getrag
position?
When
> > I
> > > ask Joe for help, I'd like to
be accurate.
> > >
> > > To keep from boring everyone on
the list with a subject that
apparently is
> > > not very
interesting, please send any info to me off-list at
> > >
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
> >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Rich/old poop
> >
> _______________________________
> > > Here's the post I sent
over the weekend:
> > >
> > > This may be a break for
us.
> > > Dana Corp has purchased Getrag. See the press release
below.
> > > We may have much more luck pressuring Dana to make
transmission parts
> > > available than we do dealing with a faraway
stuck-up German company.
> > >
> > > We can start
calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and bugging the
> > >
beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a
carefully
orchestrated
> > > campaign.
> > >
>
> > I suggest we start by asking somebody like Jack T or anyone else
who
has
> > > delved deeply into the synchro parts problem to lay
out the facts for
us,
> > > and then -- and only then -- we
should bombard Joe with phone calls,
> > > e-mails and letters,
pleading for him to make our parts available. Any
> > spin
> >
> wizards out there have any other suggestions on how to do this?
Let's
not
> > > go off the deep end until we get our weapons
lined up, and then let's
hit
> > > them with an avalanche. This
issue affects EVERYONE on these 3S lists,
so
> > > we should do
it right.
> > >
> > > The floor is now open for
discussion on how to proceed.
> > >
> > > Rich/old
poop
> > >
> > > Dana Completes Agreement to Acquire
Interest in European Manufacturer
> > > Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000
-- Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN) today
announced
> > > that it has
completed the purchase of an interest in GETRAG Getriebe-
und
> >
> Zahnradfabrik Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie, a manufacturer of
>
> > transmissions, transaxles, axles, and other automotive
components.
> > > Headquartered in Ludwigsburg, Germany, the company
had sales of $750
> > > million in 1999. Financial terms of the
agreement were not disclosed.
> > >
> > > "This
relationship will support our global growth strategy for the
> > >
passenger car market, and enhance our focus on advanced automotive
> >
> technologies," said Dana Chairman and CEO Joe Magliochetti. "GETRAG
has
a
> > > highly skilled workforce and a solid reputation for
precision
engineering,
> > > quality, and innovation. We have
great respect for this fine
organization
> > > and we are excited
about expanding Dana's relationship with GETRAG."
> > >
> >
> Dana acquired a 30-percent stake in GETRAG Cie, the parent company
of
the
> > > GETRAG group of companies, and a 49-percent stake in
GETRAG's North
> > > American operations. Bill Carroll, president of
Dana's Automotive
Systems
> > > Group, will be on the Advisory
Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
> > >
> > > "This
strategic partnership strengthens Dana's automotive offerings
> > >
globally, and particularly enhances our opportunities in the European
>
> > passenger car market," Mr. Carroll said.
> > >
>
> > "Strategically, this transaction is very similar to our recent
>
> > collaboration with GKN to produce advanced driveline
technologies.
> > GETRAG's
> > > transaxle and gear
manufacturing technologies are highly complementary
to
> > > our
expertise and will enable us to further develop our
under-the-vehicle
>
> > technology, products, and systems," he added.
> >
>
> > > Dana and GETRAG will establish a joint technology council
to explore
ways
> > > to further advance automotive applications
for design and technology.
The
> > > two companies also will
create a joint marketing council to bring the
> > > resulting new
products and innovations to market rapidly.
> > >
> > >
In addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN, Dana
also
recently
> > > announced an alliance with Motorola, Inc.,
aimed at enhancing product
> > > performance and reliability.
Electronics leader Motorola will provide
Dana
> > > with access
to advanced electronics technology. In return, Dana will
> > >
incorporate this technology within its advanced chassis,
drivetrain,
and
> > > engine systems and will leverage its
expertise in infrastructure to
take
> > > these new products to
market.
> > >
> > > GETRAG is a major supplier to the
European automotive industry and has
an
> > > excellent
reputation for the quality of its products and technologies.
The
> >
> company employs some 5,000 people in 11 manufacturing facilities
>
> worldwide.
> > > Its major customers include Audi, BMW,
DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
> > > Jaguar, Porsche, and
Volkswagen.
> > >
> > > Dana Corporation is one of the
world's largest independent suppliers
to
> > > vehicle
manufacturers and their related aftermarkets. Founded in 1904
and
>
> > based in Toledo, Ohio, the company operates some 320 major
facilities
in
> > 32
> > > countries and employs more
than 80,000 people. The company reported
sales
> > > of $13.2
billion in 1999. Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com .
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Large media outlets:
> >
>
> > > Gary Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
>
> > (419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com> >
>
> > > Jeff Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
> >
> (419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com> >
>
> > > Small to midsize media outlets:
> > >
>
> > Denise LaFleur, Communications Specialist
> > >
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com> >
> (419) 535-4500
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > > *** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
> >
> >
>
>
> *** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
*** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:50:37
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
I would safely assume that
if you cant adjust the pedal to the heights
spec'd in the manual, you have a
problem with a part internalle (booster,
flywheel/disc/plate).
On Wed,
6 Dec 2000, Ken Wheeler wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, and as for
Shane, he probably needs a little more
> beauty rest as do some of us
others (including me). :)
>
> I'm clear on how to adjust, but to
what specs. Can you adjust too far?
> Before, the clutch wasn't
engaging until the top of the pedal throw, now
> it's about 2 inches off
of the floor after a new clutch and pedal
> adjustment. I suppose
that after replacing a clutch with the help of Jeff
> Lucius.....
TWICE..... you get a little paranoid and want to make sure it's
>
right.
>
> Ken
> '92 RT/TT
> '67 Mustang
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
To: <
stealth@starnet.net>
>
Cc: <
stealth@stls.verio.net>;
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
> <
xwing@execpc.com>;
"Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Once
again: Getrag bought by Dana
>
>
> >
> > The
procedures in the Svc. Manual werent clear on pedal adjustment?
>
>
> > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Ken Wheeler wrote:
> >
>
> > I feel your pain. I asked a similar question regarding pedal
adjustment
> and
> > > how it should feel. Not a single
response. Well, I've burned up one
> brand
> > > new
clutch due to a mis-adjusted pedal and I hope not to burn up another
>
> > one.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > '92
RT/TT
> > > '67 Mustang.
> > >
> > > BTW, I
don't have an answer to your tranny question. :)
> > >
> >
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
"Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
> > To: <
stealth@starnet.net>; <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
> > > <
xwing@execpc.com>
> > > Sent:
Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:46 AM
> > > Subject: Team3S: Once
again: Getrag bought by Dana
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I sent the message below over the weekend. Except for a couple
of
> > > comments,
> > > > this post has been ignored
by both lists. I can only assume that
> acquiring
> > > >
parts for our transmissions is not a burning issue to anyone on the
>
list
> > > > except for those few people who have a broken
transmission at this
> very
> > > > moment.
> >
> >
> > > > OK, I can take a hint. I'll write a letter to
Joe on my own behalf.
> > > >
> > > > Is there
anyone out there who can sum up the status of replacement
> parts
>
> > > for the six-speed transmission? What's the official Getrag
position?
> When
> > > I
> > > > ask Joe for
help, I'd like to be accurate.
> > > >
> > > > To
keep from boring everyone on the list with a subject that
> apparently
is
> > > > not very interesting, please send any info to me
off-list at
> > > >
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Rich/old
poop
> > > > _______________________________
> > >
> Here's the post I sent over the weekend:
> > > >
>
> > > This may be a break for us.
> > > > Dana Corp has
purchased Getrag. See the press release below.
> > > > We may
have much more luck pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
> > >
> available than we do dealing with a faraway stuck-up German
company.
> > > >
> > > > We can start
calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and bugging the
> > > >
beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a carefully
>
orchestrated
> > > > campaign.
> > > >
>
> > > I suggest we start by asking somebody like Jack T or anyone else
who
> has
> > > > delved deeply into the synchro parts
problem to lay out the facts for
> us,
> > > > and then --
and only then -- we should bombard Joe with phone calls,
> > > >
e-mails and letters, pleading for him to make our parts available. Any
>
> > spin
> > > > wizards out there have any other
suggestions on how to do this? Let's
> not
> > > > go off
the deep end until we get our weapons lined up, and then let's
>
hit
> > > > them with an avalanche. This issue affects EVERYONE
on these 3S lists,
> so
> > > > we should do it
right.
> > > >
> > > > The floor is now open for
discussion on how to proceed.
> > > >
> > > >
Rich/old poop
> > > >
> > > > Dana Completes
Agreement to Acquire Interest in European Manufacturer
> > > >
Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 -- Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN) today
>
announced
> > > > that it has completed the purchase of an
interest in GETRAG Getriebe-
> und
> > > > Zahnradfabrik
Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie, a manufacturer of
> > > >
transmissions, transaxles, axles, and other automotive components.
> >
> > Headquartered in Ludwigsburg, Germany, the company had sales of
$750
> > > > million in 1999. Financial terms of the agreement
were not disclosed.
> > > >
> > > > "This
relationship will support our global growth strategy for the
> > >
> passenger car market, and enhance our focus on advanced automotive
>
> > > technologies," said Dana Chairman and CEO Joe Magliochetti.
"GETRAG
> has a
> > > > highly skilled workforce and a
solid reputation for precision
> engineering,
> > > >
quality, and innovation. We have great respect for this fine
>
organization
> > > > and we are excited about expanding Dana's
relationship with GETRAG."
> > > >
> > > > Dana
acquired a 30-percent stake in GETRAG Cie, the parent company of
>
the
> > > > GETRAG group of companies, and a 49-percent stake in
GETRAG's North
> > > > American operations. Bill Carroll,
president of Dana's Automotive
> Systems
> > > > Group,
will be on the Advisory Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
> > >
>
> > > > "This strategic partnership strengthens Dana's
automotive offerings
> > > > globally, and particularly enhances
our opportunities in the European
> > > > passenger car market,"
Mr. Carroll said.
> > > >
> > > > "Strategically,
this transaction is very similar to our recent
> > > >
collaboration with GKN to produce advanced driveline technologies.
> >
> GETRAG's
> > > > transaxle and gear manufacturing
technologies are highly complementary
> to
> > > > our
expertise and will enable us to further develop our
>
under-the-vehicle
> > > > technology, products, and systems," he
added.
> > > >
> > > > Dana and GETRAG will
establish a joint technology council to explore
> ways
> > >
> to further advance automotive applications for design and
technology.
> The
> > > > two companies also will create a
joint marketing council to bring the
> > > > resulting new
products and innovations to market rapidly.
> > > >
> >
> > In addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN, Dana
also
> recently
> > > > announced an alliance with
Motorola, Inc., aimed at enhancing product
> > > > performance
and reliability. Electronics leader Motorola will provide
> Dana
>
> > > with access to advanced electronics technology. In return, Dana
will
> > > > incorporate this technology within its advanced
chassis, drivetrain,
> and
> > > > engine systems and will
leverage its expertise in infrastructure to
> take
> > > >
these new products to market.
> > > >
> > > >
GETRAG is a major supplier to the European automotive industry and has
>
an
> > > > excellent reputation for the quality of its products
and technologies.
> The
> > > > company employs some 5,000
people in 11 manufacturing facilities
> > > worldwide.
> >
> > Its major customers include Audi, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Ford,
GM/Opel,
> > > > Jaguar, Porsche, and Volkswagen.
> >
> >
> > > > Dana Corporation is one of the world's largest
independent suppliers
> to
> > > > vehicle manufacturers
and their related aftermarkets. Founded in 1904
> and
> > >
> based in Toledo, Ohio, the company operates some 320 major
facilities
> in
> > > 32
> > > > countries and
employs more than 80,000 people. The company reported
> sales
> >
> > of $13.2 billion in 1999. Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com .
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Large media
outlets:
> > > >
> > > > Gary Corrigan, V.P. -
Corporate Communications
> > > > (419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com> >
> >
> > > > Jeff Cole, Manager, Marketing
Communications
> > > > (419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com> > >
>
> > > > Small to midsize media outlets:
> > >
>
> > > > Denise LaFleur, Communications Specialist
>
> > >
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com> >
> > (419) 535-4500
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ***
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:46:41
-0500
From: Rick Diogo <
rick@ceo-consulting.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Cc:
CGOLEMA@hobbico.com,
curt_gendron@hotmail.comCraig
Golema wrote:
The car feels, handles, performs and even smells showroom
new. BUT, when
the boost meter hits ~7 psi, there is a medium frequency
hum/buzz coming
from under the hood. I first noticed it when entering the
highway and
aggressively accelerating. I initially thought it may have been
a boost
leak from somewhere under the hood.
Curt Gendron
wrote:
Your best solution is to replace the BOV with a 1g DSM BOV or a
quality
aftermarket one. The honking sound doesn't cause any damage
though.
===================================================
I
agree with Curt here. My 94 TT exhibited the same honking noise and it
ended up being the BOV. Apparently it had been lifting off its
seat. I
bought a brand new BOV from Mitsu (for a 92 Eclipse) and
bought a flange
from Buschur. Only problem was the angle was not
correct. Being that the
car was a 6 speed it had a 90degree turn on
the factory BOV. So I had to
fabricate an adapter to make it work on
my Stealth. All in all, it took me
about 4 hours to do. I had
asked around and remember everyone telling me
it was a bolt-in. So I
just wanted to make sure you know that it is
*not*. However, it *is*
worth the work. In the end, I had no more honking
and the boost stayed
*rock steady* at just about any level I turned the
Profec B to. Mine
had the 13G turbos, AMS intercoolers, hard pipe kit,
Greddy Profec B boost
controller, HKS cat back exhaust, ATR downpipes,
hollowed out precats, Main
cat gone, G-Force ECU, 550cc denso injectors,
(great injectors by the way),
Magnecore wires, K&N FIPK, and Apexi Super AFC.
About the only thing
I did not have was the Cosmo fuel pump (3 rotor RX-7
pump) or as some people
use, the Supra pump. I had just the stock fuel
pump, but surprisingly
the car did not detonate or miss at 17-18psi boost
on 93 Amoco pump
fuel. The car ran very well, but just did not have the
"umph" it
should have. I know if I had lived a little closer to some of
the guys
on this list we could have tuned it just right. Guess I should
have
just moved to Switzerland! LOL.
Good Luck with your 94. Great
car.
Rick Diogo
00' Viper GTS
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:15:11
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 1G DSM bov
> Only problem was the angle was not
correct. Being that the
> car was a 6 speed it had a 90degree turn
on the factory BOV.
> So I had to fabricate an adapter to make it
work on my
> Stealth. All in all, it took me about 4 hours to
do. I
> had asked around and remember everyone telling me it was
a
> bolt-in. So I just wanted to make sure you know that it is
> *not*.
It was bolt-in on my car. Yes, the angles aren't
the same as on the stock
valve, however you can* get the valve in there, but
it has to be inserted
with the return pipe out as far as possible from the
hose to the MAF boot
and still be able to get the clamp on. Rotate the
new BOV assembly enough
so that the wacky weights on the shifter linkages
don't hit the valve and
you are all set.
I got the Extreme Motorsports
BOV kit for a 2G DSM, but that should be the
same as the Buschur
kit.
http://www.extrememotorsports.com/g2cat/bov1-l.jpg-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:03:15
-0600
From: "Vineet Singh \(3S\)" <
stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Capacitors, and flame and post editing.
Noble asked, - "The
ECU capacitors I've got for our cars is
1)47uf 50V
2)22uf
50V
3)100uf 16V
The matching panasonic general use capacitors are
kinda small compared
to
the origonal Rubycons.
I've heard of someone
recommending uping the voltages, but keeping the
uf's
the same, thereby
jumping up to larger capacitors that may have longer
life.
Can anyone
confirm this? Will increasing voltage ratings adversely
affect
the
filtering properties for this application?
Thanks in
advance,
Noble"
The thing to "up" would be the rated temperature. Most
home use caps
are rated at 75-85 degrees C, it should say right on
the
shrink-plastic jacket, along with the electrical specs, a
temperature
rating. If you went to 95 or over 100 degree ratings, you would
end up
with a superior replacement. I haven't done this on our cars yet.
I
assume you can also replace them with mil-spec parts, usually 2-4
times
more money, but when they are 1-2$, we aren't talking about a
major
investment here :). Upping the voltage capacity might also help,
just make
sure it's rated over 18volts (I think).
Regarding Ken Wheelers post, it's
kinda true... sometime people post,
and no one says a thing, even though I'm
sure there are people
qualified out there to do so. I am not, as I have an
A/T talon, and
never had to adjust the pedal on my M/T stealth yet. I think
the
response to his post was uncalled for, if you can take the time
to
create a "flame post", the same time can be spent helping others on
the
list :). In fact, Merrit, could even take offense to your post,
because he
basically said/did the same thing... I thought at first you
were asking HIM
to leave the list... lol!
ONE MORE THING... can some of you make sure to
remove or cut down the
"reply to" content of your posts? I get the digest
version of the
TEAM3S list, and today was the longest one I had ever seen.
Sometimes
I have lots of work to do, and to be able to read the digest
quickly
and efficiently is of utmost importance. I'm talking about the 2nd
and
3rd+ iteration of "> old post here" parts... I must have seen
the
dana-getrag post in it's entirety over 8 times in the last digest!
:)
Thanks for your consideration.
Vineet 'Vinny' Singh
http://at.dsm.org - "Never Lift To Shift!"
http://chi.dsm.org - "ChicagoDSM - Go Fast With
Class!"
http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM
& 3/S Service manuals on CDROM
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:07:46
-0600
From: "Curt Gendron" <
curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 1G DSM bov
Matt is right... The 2G DSM BOV adapter that
the DSM shops sell, fit fine.
I developed my own trick to make sure
the BOV doesn't interfere with the
shift linkage. I zip tied the BOV
tube to that metal rod that runs
underneath the MAS. This effectivly
moves the BOV about an inch towards the
passenger side. This way the
shift linkage is a good inch away from the
BOV.
later,
Curt
CarParts at:
http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html>From:
"Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
>To:
team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>Subject:
RE: Team3S: 1G DSM bov
>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:15:11
-0600
>
> > Only problem was the angle was not correct.
Being that the
> > car was a 6 speed it had a 90degree turn on the
factory BOV.
> > So I had to fabricate an adapter to make it work on
my
> > Stealth. All in all, it took me about 4 hours to do.
I
> > had asked around and remember everyone telling me it was
a
> > bolt-in. So I just wanted to make sure you know that it
is
> > *not*.
>
>It was bolt-in on my car. Yes, the
angles aren't the same as on the stock
>valve, however you can* get the
valve in there, but it has to be inserted
>with the return pipe out as far
as possible from the hose to the MAF boot
>and still be able to get the
clamp on. Rotate the new BOV assembly enough
>so that the wacky
weights on the shifter linkages don't hit the valve and
>you are all
set.
>
>I got the Extreme Motorsports BOV kit for a 2G DSM, but that
should be the
>same as the Buschur kit.
>
>
http://www.extrememotorsports.com/g2cat/bov1-l.jpg>
>-Matt
>'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:19:21
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From: "Curt Gendron" <
curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
Rich and others,
The
idea of not having parts available for our Getrags, is slowly becoming a
thing of the past. Kormax now sells 1-2 and 3-4 syncros. A good
friend of
mine has also spoken to another Getrag rebuild shop, (that shal
remain
nameless for now) that was willing to sell any gears or syncros from
our
trannies. This situation may have been slightly under the table,
but I
think the days of us not getting parts, is coming to an
end.
Its my understanding that there are several shops out there that
rebuild
Getrag trannies for our cars. Jack T. has mentioned several of
them before,
and I know there are a couple others, that he hasn't listed
before. Someone
should do the grunt work and call all of these shops,
and see if they are
now willing to sell the internal parts. I'm
betting some of them will say
"yes."
Since the 3/S is no longer
produced, and its now on its way to being a
"collector" car, it seems silly
to only sell whole trannies. I guess this
is the one good thing about
Mitsu deciding to stop making the 3000GT.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org>From:
Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>To:
stealth@starnet.net,
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st, xwing
<
xwing@execpc.com>
>Subject:
Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:46:07
-0600
>
>I sent the message below over the weekend. Except for a
couple of comments,
>this post has been ignored by both lists. I can only
assume that acquiring
>parts for our transmissions is not a burning issue
to anyone on the list
>except for those few people who have a broken
transmission at this very
>moment.
>
>OK, I can take a hint.
I'll write a letter to Joe on my own behalf.
>
>Is there anyone out
there who can sum up the status of replacement parts
>for the six-speed
transmission? What's the official Getrag position? When I
>ask Joe for
help, I'd like to be accurate.
>
>To keep from boring everyone on
the list with a subject that apparently is
>not very interesting, please
send any info to me off-list at
>
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
>Thanks.
>Rich/old
poop
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:40:39
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From: Merritt <
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Subject:
Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
I will be much happier when
I see something like this in print or on a
website, with prices and part
numbers..
I don't have any problems at the moment, but I have only 50,000
more miles
to go before the 2nd gear syncro fails again.
Rich
>
>The idea of not having parts available for our
Getrags, is slowly becoming a
>thing of the past. Kormax now sells
1-2 and 3-4 syncros. A good friend of
>mine has also spoken to
another Getrag rebuild shop, (that shal remain
>nameless for now) that
was willing to sell any gears or syncros from our
>trannies. This
situation may have been slightly under the table, but I
>think the days
of us not getting parts, is coming to an end.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:49:59
-0500
From: "Laura Roehrig" <
lroehrig@zbzoom.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Getrag
I just wanted to let everyone know that the reason I
wasn't replying to
requests for the contact I had for Synchro parts at
Getrag, was that I was
trying to set-up an agreement between them and us
before they were bombarded
with requests for parts. I had help from a
senior member of TEAM 3S.
Unfortunately, at this point, the person who
sold me the 3/4 synchro has
expressed that the sale to me was an "exception"
and that further help will
not be extended to other buyers who are looking
for synchros from Getrag.
What I was hoping to accomplish was getting them to
release the parts they
have sitting around in warehouses, but they are not
inclined to extend
themselves any more.
I was given a list of at least
six rebuild dealers by 3S members.....just to
name a
few:
Kormex
Southern Gear
GTR Motorsports...
MD Auto in
California.
Transmission Mart in Florida
Drivetrain Specialists of Las
Vegas
Only Drivetrain Specialists claimed to have the 3/4 synchro I
needed NEW and
wanted nearly 3X what I paid for the part shipped to my door
from Germany.
Southern Gear had used.....and the rest couldn't help
me.
I apologize to those anxious to get the contact at Getrag that I
received my
synchro from, that I'm not able to have him help the rest of you
as well.
Sorry to let you down guys, but I tried.
Laura
Roehrig
lroehrig@zbzoom.net91
Stealth RT/TT
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:56:53
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Getrag
Thanks, Laura.
The truth about gear availability is
slowly coming out.
Rich
At 02:49 PM 12/6/00 -0500, Laura Roehrig
wrote:
>Unfortunately, at this point, the person who sold me the 3/4
synchro has
>expressed that the sale to me was an "exception" and that
further help will
>not be extended to other buyers who are looking for
synchros from Getrag.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:29:41
-0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Admin: Getrag Dead End...
Hey, all,
After Laura's success in
procuring a 3/4 synchro for her '91 3kGT,
shipped to her in the USA by
Getrag, I tried reaching the contact person
who had worked with her. It
appeared that there might actually be a
chance there, so I put on my most
humble face and gave it my best shot.
I emailed him a 'formal' request, from
all of us, on Team3S letterhead,
and all. In short, his reply echoed
what we already knew, and what has
already been said by the more
knowledgeable Team3S members - that no
parts are (or will be) available from
Getrag DE, Getrag JP, or Getrag
USA. (He shut the door on help with the
2 latter Getrags by copying the
folks in a parallel role to his in Japan and
the USA with my request and
his response). I won't chew up bandwidth
quoting our interim notes, but
kudos go out to Laura for her exemplary
efforts in laying the groundwork
for a line of communication with them.
I will be following up with a
note to CRS (Component Remanufacturing
Specialists) in Mahwah, NJ, and
will post my results. Here (letterhead
graphic snipped) :-) , is his
reply, and below it, my note to
him.
Best,
Forrest
for the Admin
-
---------------------------------------------
Dear Mr.
Forrest
First of all I would like to thank you for your e-mail and
the
introduction
of the Team 3S.
Unfortunately I have to point out
that Ms. Roehrig case was truely "the"
exception of the normal
handling
and thus, regretfully, I have to inform you about the fact that we
can
not
supply parts to yourselves.
There are a number of facts which
need to be taken into consideration on
your side :
- -
GETRAG has only an extremely limited number of parts still on
hands
/
available
(this was also the fact for
the part that was supplied to Ms.
Roehrig
!) which is running against 0
(zero) !
- - GETRAG could not remanufacture "your"
transmissions (no facilities,
no
parts).
- - GETRAG
will also not source parts for transmissions
especially if they are respectievely could or will be used
for
racing
purposes.
- - All transmissions (no matter
if 5- or 6-speed) which are available
on
the worldwide
market
are to be remanufactured at CRS (Component
Remanufacturing
Specialists)
in Mahwah / USA.
With the hope that
you will understand our situation and the refusal
we remain with
best
regards
Gunnar Herre
G E T R A G
Gertriebe- und
Zahnradfabrik
Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie.
Telephone
:
Germany (++49) - 7141 - 994455
Facsimile
:
Germany (++49) - 7141 - 994452
e-mail
:
Gunnar.Herre@GETRAG.deGETRAG´s
website : http//www.getrag.de
-
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- -----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Forrest [
mailto:bf@bobforrest.com]
Gesendet am:
Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2000 11:57
An:
Gunnar.Herre@GETRAG.deCc: Laura
Roehrig
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International HQ: 273 Fifth Avenue - New York, NY 10016 -
212 684-4844
www.Team3S.comMr.
Gunnar Herre
G E T R A G
Gertriebe- und Zahnradfabrik
Hermann
Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie.
Dear Mr. Herre,
I am very pleased to
"meet" you! One of our members, Ms. Laura Roehrig,
purchased some
Getrag parts from you recently, and mentioned me and our
Team3S group in her
correspondence with you. Please permit me to give
you a
brief
introduction...
"Team3S" is an association of owners of the Dodge Stealth
and the
Mitsubishi
3000GT. We maintain a free internet mailing list
of almost seven
hundred
owners from 27 countries around the world; many of
our members are also
part
of another owner's group of similar size, called
"3Si" (3000GT & Stealth
International). Team3S evolved because our
members have the common
interest
of maintaining and modifying our
vehicles, and most of us have already
done
so to varying degrees.
Many of us are involved in "club racing",
(autocross, Porsche Club, Road
America, BMWCCA, SCCA, dragstrips...).
Team3S is also highly visible on the
web, with our sites attracting up
to
17,000 visits per month from
non-members who make use of the information
we
provide.
One of the
biggest problems we have had to face as owners of these
vehicles
has been
the search for an affordable source for Getrag replacement
parts.
Even the
finest components of high-performance sports cars wear out in
normal use; but
all the more so when the vehicles are modified for even
greater power and
they endure the stresses of racing. And up until now,
finding Getrag
parts through Dodge and Mitsubishi dealers has been
frustrating and
prohibitively expensive. After the helpful
and
professional
treatment Ms. Roehrig received from you and your staff,
we hope to be
able
to share with other members that we have finally found
a "friendly"
source.
Indeed, we look forward to providing this information
to anyone who
visits
our website looking for resources, as
well.
With your permission, Mr. Herre, (and your help, if possible), I
would
like
to publish a web page with instructions for Stealth and 3000GT
owners,
on
how to properly contact you for ordering parts. Ms.
Roehrig has pointed
out
that it would be wise for us to learn your
preferred method for owners
to
contact you, so you are not inundated with
letters, phone calls and
email.
If you like, we will print a section in
your own words, or provide a
request
form for our members to fill out and
email to you or one of your staff.
We
seek your guidance in preparing our
"Getrag Page", and await your
suggestions. We would be most grateful
for any and all additional
information you can provide.
Many thanks in
advance for your continued assistance. This information
is
going to
be a wonderful holiday "present" for many of our members. My
personal
best wishes to you for a happy, healthy, Merry Christmas.
Bob
Forrest
Admin, Team3S
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:43:03
-0600
From: xwing <
xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
Dragstrip rules for cars
I didn't have a roll bar or cage, at that
time. I got my
first pass at 10.9, got warned to "slow it
down",
then made second at 10.81 and got "kicked off the
track" which is
always a happy thing :) has happened
many times.
too fast for
the track. Cool.
rollbar=bars behind driver's head, braced fore
and
rearward down toward floor.
rollcage adds bars going forward of
driver's head to
and around the top of windshield area and down
toward
driver's feet.
Jack T.
"Schilberg, Darren"
wrote:
> Curiously I don't know if Jack T's car has a roll cage and he
has been in
> the 10s with nitrous or 11s without. Does he have a
rollcage or is this
> rule governed by each track or race (like does the
DSM Shootout have a
> general rule that anything under a time have a
rollcage)?
> And is there a distinction between roll bar, partial roll
cage, and a full
> roll cage? I'm new to much of the drag rules so
it is a general rule to
> inform the list.
>
dschilberg@freemarkets.com***
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:44:40
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Admin: Getrag Dead End...
As Emperor Claudius said,
"let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch
out."
Now we are getting
to the truth.
Thanks, Bob.
Rich/old poop
>After Laura's
success in procuring a 3/4 synchro for her '91 3kGT,
>shipped to her in
the USA by Getrag, I tried reaching the contact person
>who had worked
with her. It appeared that there might actually be a
>chance there,
so I put on my most humble face and gave it my best shot.
>I emailed him a
'formal' request, from all of us, on Team3S letterhead,
>and all. In
short, his reply echoed what we already knew, and what has
>already been
said by the more knowledgeable Team3S members - that no
>parts are (or
will be) available from Getrag DE, Getrag JP, or Getrag
>USA.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:54:54
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE:
95 Headlights and Rims for Stealths
James,
Try Conicelly
Mitsubishi from PA (610-272-8504). I just got a brand new 18"
Chrome
rim for $526 after discount (mention 3SI). The part # is MR 197761
and
the size is 18" X 8.5".
It's my understanding that they answer e-mails
faster than phonecals, but I
miscplaced their e-mail. Maybe someone
else on the list can give you their
e-mail adress. You have to try a
few times on the phone before getting
someone.
Best of luck,
-
-MIKE-
aa2345@wayne.edu95 Red VR4
Apexi AVC-R
Electronic Boost Controller
K&N FIPK, Boost Gauge, EGT
Meter
Detroit Metro Area, Michigan
-
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:23:19
EST
From:
Zeoswolf@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: 95 Headlights and Rims for Stealths
Hello all!
Does anyone have the headlights from a 95 stealth?? I have a 94 but
do
not like the glass lenses as they crack and look bad. The 95s, as we
all
know, also look slightly different in that they are black and have two
very
distintive holes in the paint where the lights are. The 94s
however do not
look like this and are made of glass where the 95s are made of
a certain
plastic. I'm also looking for the 95-96 18 inch chrome
wheels. If anyone
has either of these or know where I can get them for
a DECENT price and not
dealer prices... PLEASE let me
know.
james
94R/T
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:22:50
-0600
From: "Greg S." <
wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Admin: Getrag Dead End...
Pretty crappy if you ask me. Sounds
to me like the guy has got something
against people that enjoy track driving,
racing, and modifying the cars and
decided to take it out on all of us.
So much for the idea of customer
service in the world
today.
Greg
Merritt wrote:
> As Emperor Claudius
said, "let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch
> out."
> Now
we are getting to the truth.
> Thanks, Bob.
>
> Rich/old
poop
>
> >After Laura's success in procuring a 3/4 synchro for
her '91 3kGT,
> >shipped to her in the USA by Getrag, I tried reaching
the contact person
> >who had worked with her. It appeared that
there might actually be a
> >chance there, so I put on my most humble
face and gave it my best shot.
> >I emailed him a 'formal' request,
from all of us, on Team3S letterhead,
> >and all. In short, his
reply echoed what we already knew, and what has
> >already been said by
the more knowledgeable Team3S members - that no
> >parts are (or will
be) available from Getrag DE, Getrag JP, or Getrag
>
>USA.
>
> *** Info:
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:45:55
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Getrag bought by Dana
Kormex sells 1,2,3 synchros and output
shafts for the AWD getrag as well as
entire assemblies that are rebuilt using
parts he has made for him.
Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
stealth@starnet.net <
stealth@starnet.net>;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:13 AM
Subject: Team3S: Getrag bought by
Dana
>This may be a break for us.
>Dana Corp has purchased
Getrag. See the press release below.
>We may have much more luck
pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
>available than we do dealing
with a faraway stuck-up German company.
>
>We can start
calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and bugging the
>beegeezus out of
him right away, or we can launch a carefully
orchestrated
>campaign.
>
>I suggest we start by asking
somebody like Jack T or anyone else who has
>delved deeply into the
synchro parts problem to lay out the facts for us,
>and then -- and only
then -- we should bombard Joe with phone calls,
>e-mails and letters,
pleading for him to make our parts available. Any spin
>wizards out there
have any other suggestions on how to do this? Let's not
>go off the deep
end until we get our weapons lined up, and then let's hit
>them with an
avalanche. This issue affects EVERYONE on these 3S lists, so
>we should do
it right.
>
>The floor is now open for discussion on how to
proceed.
>
>Rich/old poop
>
>Dana Completes Agreement to
Acquire Interest in European Manufacturer
>Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 --
Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN) today announced
>that it has completed the
purchase of an interest in GETRAG Getriebe- und
>Zahnradfabrik Hermann
Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie, a manufacturer of
>transmissions, transaxles,
axles, and other automotive components.
>Headquartered in Ludwigsburg,
Germany, the company had sales of $750
>million in 1999. Financial terms
of the agreement were not disclosed.
>
>"This relationship will
support our global growth strategy for the
>passenger car market, and
enhance our focus on advanced automotive
>technologies," said Dana
Chairman and CEO Joe Magliochetti. "GETRAG has a
>highly skilled workforce
and a solid reputation for precision engineering,
>quality, and
innovation. We have great respect for this fine organization
>and we are
excited about expanding Dana's relationship with GETRAG."
>
>Dana
acquired a 30-percent stake in GETRAG Cie, the parent company of
the
>GETRAG group of companies, and a 49-percent stake in GETRAG's
North
>American operations. Bill Carroll, president of Dana's Automotive
Systems
>Group, will be on the Advisory Board of GETRAG GmbH &
Cie.
>
>"This strategic partnership strengthens Dana's automotive
offerings
>globally, and particularly enhances our opportunities in the
European
>passenger car market," Mr. Carroll
said.
>
>"Strategically, this transaction is very similar to our
recent
>collaboration with GKN to produce advanced driveline technologies.
GETRAG's
>transaxle and gear manufacturing technologies are highly
complementary to
>our expertise and will enable us to further develop our
under-the-vehicle
>technology, products, and systems," he
added.
>
>Dana and GETRAG will establish a joint technology council
to explore ways
>to further advance automotive applications for design and
technology. The
>two companies also will create a joint marketing council
to bring the
>resulting new products and innovations to market
rapidly.
>
>In addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN,
Dana also recently
>announced an alliance with Motorola, Inc., aimed at
enhancing product
>performance and reliability. Electronics leader
Motorola will provide Dana
>with access to advanced electronics
technology. In return, Dana will
>incorporate this technology within its
advanced chassis, drivetrain, and
>engine systems and will leverage its
expertise in infrastructure to take
>these new products to
market.
>
>GETRAG is a major supplier to the European automotive
industry and has an
>excellent reputation for the quality of its products
and technologies. The
>company employs some 5,000 people in 11
manufacturing facilities worldwide.
>Its major customers include Audi,
BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
>Jaguar, Porsche, and
Volkswagen.
>
>Dana Corporation is one of the world's largest
independent suppliers to
>vehicle manufacturers and their related
aftermarkets. Founded in 1904 and
>based in Toledo, Ohio, the company
operates some 320 major facilities in 32
>countries and employs more than
80,000 people. The company reported sales
>of $13.2 billion in 1999.
Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com
.
>
>
>
>Large media outlets:
>
>Gary
Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
>(419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com>
>Jeff
Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
>(419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com>
>Small to
midsize media outlets:
>
>Denise LaFleur, Communications
Specialist
>
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com>(419)
535-4500
>
>
>
>
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