Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Monday, March 1 
2004     Volume 02 : Number 
383
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Date: 
Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:06:59 -0500
From: "Spawn" <
spawn@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: 
Team3S: "Audio for 
sale"
>                                    
** Rockford Fosgate Power
> 1000a2 **
>
>  This amp 
retailed for $1,389.  I bought it for $1,200.  I'm selling 
it
for
> $700.  Here's the Specs:
>
>  
·        All measurements @ 14 volts unless 
otherwise specified
>
>  
·        Frequency Response (4-ohm IHF Load, 
20 Hz to 20 kHz, 1 kHz
Ref.):
> +0 dB, –.23 dB
>
>  
·        Phase Response (4-ohm IHF Load, 20 
Hz to 20 kHz, 1 kHz Ref.) —
> Phase Warp Out: +19 degrees, –10.25 
degrees
>
>  ·        
Signal-to-Noise Ratio (Below Rated Output, “A” weighted): 119 dB
>
> 
·       Distortion at Rated Output (@ 1 kHz): 
0.041% @ 275 watts x 2
>
>  
·       Output Power (resistive) minimum output 20 
Hz to 20 kHz @ 1%
THD+N,
> all channels driven into 4 ohms: 383.9 watts 
x 2 @ 14 V; 317.4 watts x 2 @
>  12.8 V; 215.7 watts x 2 @ 10.5 
V
>
>  ·       Output Power 
(resistive) minimum output 20 Hz to 20 kHz @ 1%
THD+N,
> all channels 
driven into 2 ohms: 487.1 watts x 2 @ 14 V; 466 watts x 2 @
>  12.8 
V; 340 watts x 2 @ 10.5V
>
>  
·       Output Power (4-ohm IHF Reactive Load @ 1% 
THD+N @ 60 Hz
bridged):
> 973.6 watts x 1
>
>  
·       Crosstalk @ rated output, 20 Hz to 20 kHz: 
–72.3 dB
>
>  ·       Damping 
Factor @ 100 Hz: 1737
>
>  
·       Voltage for Rated Output: 300mV to 
6.1V
>
>  ·       Idle Current 
Draw: 1.4 amps
>
>  ·       
Current Draw @ 1/3 Maximum Power: 79 Amps @ 389 watts
>
>  
·       Efficiency @ 1/3 Maximum Power: 
35%
>
>  ·       Power-Up Noise: 
14 dB SPL
>
> ·       Power-Down 
Noise: 14.8 dB SPL
>
>
>  The Power 1100a2 is a 
two-channel power amp featuring gold plated
> connections, switchable 
high- or low-pass crossovers with variable cutoff
>  frequency, a 
275-watt x 2 power rating into 4 ohms, and the classic
> Rockford 
cheese-grater from hell 
heatsink.
>
>                                                         
* Performance *
>  Pansy, wimp, or wuss are not adjectives that 
you’re likely to come across
> in descriptions of the 1100a2. However, 
powerhouse or current hog fit the
> bill
>  quite well. Driving 
a 4-ohm reactive load, this beast produced nearly a
> kilowatt on our test 
bench and nearly 1400 watts driving a 4-ohm resistive
>  load with a 
14.6 V supply. (Rockford Fosgate recommends the use of large
> power 
capacitors to bolster the amplifier if you experience any problems
>  
with your stock electrical system.) This isn’t to say that you’ll be
> 
disappointed with its real-world performance, but we had to parallel 
two
>  power supplies just to feed this thing. Our normal test DC 
supply has a
> current limit of about 120 amps, and it fell short by a 
considerable
margin.
>  Noise floor, crosstalk, and turn on/off 
numbers are really 
low.
>
>                                                     
* Connections &
> Adjustments*
>  Connections to the 1100a2 
include RCA inputs and outputs, a spade-type
> remote turn on connector, 
and captive-style receptacles for speaker and
>  power connections. 
Adjustments include input sensitivity for each
channel,
> crossover 
mode select, crossover cutoff frequency, bass boost, and Phase
>  
Warp adjustment. The Phase Warp appears to be an all-pass delay. 
This
might
> prove useful in a multi-speaker SPL setup. It would allow 
for close phase
>  matching of multiple woofers. This, in theory, 
could allow for a higher
SPL
> at the frequency for which they were 
adjusted. The limitation of this
> circuit is that it would only work at 
one frequency, and it would have to
be
> fairly low — perhaps below 500 
Hz in a 
car.
>
>
>                                           
** Clarion ProAudio Am/Fm/CD
> Receiver DRX9375R**
>
>  I 
paid $640 for this.  I'm selling it for $300.  This is one sweet 
tuner.
> It has lots of cool options, I'll list a few.  This unit has 
RCA hookups
for
> a TV & Dvd player.  You can hook a changer 
up to this.  Has a visual EQ.
And
> a bunch of different screen 
savers to play with and look at. Not to
mention
> a detachable face for 
extra security.  And for us lazy people...a remote
> control.  
This amp is a ProAudio tuner THEREFORE has NO INTERNAL POWER
> 
SOURCE.  If you're not familiar with audio ESPECIALLY ProAudio 
equipment
> then I'll break this down for you.  Basically there's no 
internal
amplifier
> in this unit so you HAVE to have a amp to make 
this unit work.  If you try
> and run it without one...they'll be NO 
SOUND.  I wasn't aware if this when
I
> bought it and I didn't 
have any amps at the time...so I learned VERY
> 
quickly.
>
>
>                                           
**   (2) 1st Gen SoloBaric
Kicker
> SL710 Subwoofers  
**
>
>  I paid $335 each for these.  But I'm selling these 
for way less.  $220
each
> or both for $400.  These are Dual 
4 OHM Voicecoil Subs.  These were the
> turning stone design for 
subs.  These are the high end square shaped
> subwoofers.  They 
take up less cubic space(When making a box) than a round
> sub would and 
hit WAY harder than any other 10" subwoofer.  These subs are
> rated 
between 500-600 Watts each.  So you can push these babies hard.  
And
> the special design for these subs make them able to flex alot more 
than
any
> other normal round subwoofer. Also I have the awesome 
looking grills for
> these subs too.  I'm selling these for $15 each 
or if you buy both
> subwoofers and want both grills I'll give it all to 
you for $420.
>
>  With this sound system I've 
won:
>
>  1st Place Sound System @ Ocean City Maryland 2002 
(ECG2002)
>  Best of Show @ Ocean City Maryland 2002 
(ECG2002)
>  1st Place Sound & Entertainment @ Rochester NY (NEG 
II) 2002
>  Best install @ Signature Audio's Soundoff (Batavia NY) 
2002
>  1st Place Sound System @ Rochester NY (NEG III) 
2003
>  Best of Show @ Rochester NY (NEG III) 
2003
>
>  Also at Custom Radio's Soundoff (Buffalo NY) I hit 
148.6 Decibels with
this
> setup.  Now the box I have these subs 
in is designed more for show so it's
> about 3/4 the size it's supposed to 
be.  If this box was made for the
right
> specs for these speakers 
then I would have hit more.  This is just a vague
> idea of what this 
stuff can do.
>
> I have pictures if anyone's interested in any of 
this stuff.  Email
> inquiries to:  
spawn@rochester.rr.com>
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 7:59:42 
+0000
From: <
swoosh4435@fuse.net>
Subject: 
Team3S: FOR SALE
1994 Dodge Stealth R/T 
A list of mods are on my page 
at 
www.cardomain.com/id/94steathrt 
Asking 7,000 o.b.o 
Really fast car with alot of potential to be 
faster 
120k miles on it.. did 60k tune up at 105k miles (belts,water 
pump,timing belt, new alternator, clutch master cylinder, slave cylinder, and a 
new stage 2 clutch with 500miles on it) also have a compustar alarm with remote 
start and keyless entry.
I live in the Cincinnati area, but would be willing 
to meet half way or somehthing
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:46:59 
+0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: 
Team3S: Qs on water injection - Answers from ERL
Long time ago that this 
thread was active. I now have contact to ERL again
who wll answer soem Q's. 
Especially as Dan had a misunderstanding of the
flow rates. Here's the first 
answer from Richard at ERL :
- 
----------------------------------------------
Roger,
There were a 
few in-accuracy on the post regarding pressure (re: Dan
Labonte's post) . The 
standard aquamist pump can maintain 90psi at
300cc/min. It was originally 
designed for the WRC engines at 300BHP. The
flow rate of the aquamist pump 
can be doubled for $20 quick easily.
Snow performance's water pump is 
made by Shurflo? -I think. We also supply
Shurflo pumps for high flow 
applications, should anyone be requesting a high
flow system from us. There 
are many water injection suppliers who also use
the same pump, Carroll 
Supercharging Inc, plus a handful of DIY based
system. They are all priced 
between 250-500dollars.
Anyone can buy a Shurflo pump from 
www.Notherntool.com, price 
ranging
between $69.99-$110 dollars. Add a few connectors, a hobb switch and 
a water
jet from any oil heater suppliers - you end up with a water injection 
system
perform far better than the aquamist system - IN FLOW RATE 
TERMS.  The best
place for getting information on a low budget system is 
by visiting
www.h20injection.com.
There is no 
point for us to supply a simple Shurflo based system where most
people can 
almost make a DIY  WI system under 120 dollars.  The 
important
question one should really ask is:  Is a high flow WI system a 
better
system?
If that is the case, then one should just couple up a 
mechanical pump to the
engine and you can almost get unlimited amount of 
water delivery for less
than 20 dollars - remember you can buy a simple water 
delivery attachment
that is driven by an electric drill?  Attach it to 
you crank belt, the
delivery will be linear to your engine speed, no need to 
have any electronic
control at all.  Load related delivery can be 
controlled directly by engine
vacuum via a raising rate pressure regulator. 
It will cost you another 25
dollars.
The point I am trying to make 
here is, since we made considerable effort and
attempt to manufacture a well 
engineered system for the more demanding users
over the last ten years and 
have brought some creditability back to the
water injection concept.  
Just as the market has begun to turn slowly
in-favour of water injection as 
opposed to the nick name of " band-aid to
poor tuning".  Everyone seemed 
to be jumping on the band wagon.  We have no
objections on that what so 
ever. I see it as a positive trend.
The most unfair part, in my opinion 
is,  people on the chat rooms has often
overlooked  the very 
essence that makes a water injection work to it full
potential.  Every 
aspect of the delivery machine must be considered to be
equally important - 
not just delivery rate.  Diagnostics capabilities and
flow monitoring is 
vital to a healthy engine. No one can make a perfect
system that never breaks 
down - but if the system has an early faulty
detection system incorporated - 
the engine will live much longer.  At
present, some people would only be 
interested on how much more their system
can flow compared to the aquamist 
system  and how much cheaper it is.  Would
you risk your engine on 
a system that cannot provide an add-on attachment to
save your engine in the 
event of a WI break down?
The Aquamist system is no way near perfect, not 
even close.  We are slowly
and steadily making our system better and 
more durable and also at the same
time investing some of the incomes from the 
sales on the diagnostics
capabilities. When we supply a Shurflo pump based 
system to our customers,
it will be fully integrated system with all the 
necessary part to ensure the
system will work reliability and effectively. It 
will not be sold at
$299.99.
Regards
Richard from 
Aquamist
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Labonte" 
<
danlabonte@cox.net>
To: <
team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Monday, 
January 12, 2004 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Qs on water 
injection
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
"Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
> To: 
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> 
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Qs on water 
injection
> Roger I will have to disagree with you on a few 
points.  The ERL system
pump
> is not designed for high HP 
applications.  With a 350hp car you will be
> running about 
375-450ml/minute assuming a 50/50 mix of water methonal.
The
> ERL pump 
drops off at 300ml/minute to 40psi injection pressure.  With a
> 
boost pressure of 18-20psi your WM effective injection pressure is only
> 
20psi.  The goal of WM is to get the most cooling with the least 
quanity
> injected as the water displaces the oxygen of the air 
charge.  Thus you
want
> high pressure to atomise the WM as much 
as possible.  The injection nozzel
> is also an important factor in 
the system.  Both the ERL and
SnowPerformance
> (SP) kits use a 
two chamber nozzel, but the SP nozzel has a venturie type
> orafise were 
as the ERL is not.  You will get better atomization with the
SP
> 
nozzel.
>
> The SP pump is designed to maintain 140psi at a flow 
rate of 1.5
> gallons/minute.  There is also a larger pump that can 
do 220psi at
> 2.2gal/min, but this usually used on large turbo deisel 
engines.  Don't
get
> me wrong, the ERL is a good system, but it 
is designed for smaller engine
> (4cyl) applications.
>
> The 
50/50 mix is a better choice then just straight water injection.  
The
> methonal helps work as anti-detonation and adds to HP.  You can 
get about
> 40HP with the SP system running water and about 80HP running 
WM, this has
> been dyno tested.  So no reason to leave that extra 
40HP on the table.
>
> > What you must think about is that 
pre-pressurized tanks are not a great
> > option as they go out too 
quickly and are for sure not the size you want
> to
> > find a 
spot for in your engine bay.
>
> I agree not to use a 
pre-pressurized tank, only leads to problems.  Tank
> options for our 
cars could include the following:
>
> 1) 1gallon Euro style washer 
fluid tank that mounts under front clip.  (I
> think Roger can sell 
these)
>
> 2) 2qt radiator overflow tank from 99 model monunts under 
clip ($35 is
what
> I paid for mine from one of the good guy 
dealers)
>
> 3) Convert the stock washer fluid tank for WM injection 
(but then no
window
> washing) Note: rear washer tank is to small for 
any practical road racing
> use.
>
> 4) The SP kit comes with 
a square 2qt tank with level sensor that could be
> monted in place of the 
battery (would require you to relocate battery to
> use)
>
> 
> The ERL System 1 comes with a boost sensor that electrically 
switches
the
> > pump on at a specific boost level.
> So does 
the SP stage one kit for about $120 less.
>
> > I do have the ERL 
System 2 installed that comes with additional
controller
> > and 
water valve that aloows to control the amount of water sprayed in
> > 
relation to boost and rpm (3D mapping). Thsi is like a fuel or ignition
> 
map
> > that is related to two other dimensions.
> The ERL system 
is not true 3D mapping.  It uses the injector dutycycle to
> control 
pump speed (which is not a bad thing) and a boost switch to
controll
> 
on/off.  Yes it works with two different variables or inputs but is not 
a
> true 3D map.
> The SP controller measures boost pressure and has 
two user adjustable
> settings, Start and Full On.  Start is the 
boost pressure required to
> activate the system and Full On is the boost 
pressre for max injection
qty.
> Start is adjustable from .5 to 8 psi 
and Full On goes from 2 to 25psi.
The
> controller has its own PWM 
contol for the pump and will vary the ramp rate
> of the injection qty 
linearlly between the two settings.  Also not a
lookup
> table or 
3D mapping.
>
> > Adding alcohol may increase the octane rating 
but you'll never know how
> much
> > octane you are really 
running at the moment. ERL has now also a flow
meter
> > available 
where you can see how much water is injected. With this the
> 
exact
> > amount of water to fuel can be determined.
>
> No 
big science here as the qty required is based on the HP of the car and
> 
then correctly sizeing the nozzel for the application.  See
> 
http://www.snowperformance.net/installation.htm 
for more details on this.
>
> The ERL 2s system sells for $750 at 
3SX, SP stage 2 kit is only $399.  The
> ERL is a good system, but is 
it really worth $350 more?
>
> Dan Labonte
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:06:59 
-0800
From: Gizmo <
kdmorg@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: 
Re: power door switch
Erik is probably pointing you in the right 
direction. The window 
regulator has some plastic type parts/pulleys that 
crack because of age 
and the cable slips into these cracks and fouls things 
up so your window 
doesn't operate properly.
If you get another 
regulator, don't buy one from a wrecking yard. Those 
are just as old as 
yours is and may well be ready to crack or break 
also.  A new one from 
NORCO cost me $10 more that the wrecking yard 
wanted for a used dirty 
POS.
After replacing my driver side window regulator it worked 
fine.
Regards,
Keith/Gizmo
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:13:46 
-0500 (EST)
From: Michael Baldwin <
mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
Subject: 
Team3S: Speedbleeders
A couple of questions for those of you with 
speedbleeders:
1) Are they prone to leaking? I have heard they are, but 
is this just a
matter of making sure they are tight enough?
2) Anyone 
know quality differences between speedbleeder speedbleeders vs.
Russel 
Speedbleeders?
3) Stainless steel - worth it (approximately $15 vs. 
$7/bleeder) or not?
4) Necessary to bleed all 4 brakes at once? I have 
directions on how to do
the front two, but I have heard the correct way is to 
bleed rear
passenger, front driver, rear driver, front 
passenger.
Thanks
Mike 97 vr4
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:55:31 
-0600
From: "William J. Crabtree" <
wjcrabtree@earthlink.net>
Subject: 
RE: Team3S: Speedbleeders
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
owner-team3s@team3s.com > 
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf Of Michael Baldwin
> Sent: 
Sunday, February 29, 2004 7:14 PM
> To: 
Team3S@team3s.com> Subject: Team3S: 
Speedbleeders
> 
> 
> A couple of questions for those of you 
with speedbleeders:
> 
> 1) Are they prone to leaking? I have heard 
they are, but is 
> this just a matter of making sure they are tight 
enough?
I've had mine in for a while now(1 year plus on both my jeep 
and
stealth)....haven't seen any leaks yet
> 
> 3) Stainless 
steel - worth it (approximately $15 vs. 
> $7/bleeder) or 
not?
Can't see the stainless ones being worth the extra cost.  It's 
not like
they're gonna rust.
> 
> 4) Necessary to bleed all 4 
brakes at once? I have directions 
> on how to do the front two, but I 
have heard the correct way 
> is to bleed rear passenger, front driver, 
rear driver, front 
> passenger.
If you have ABS, you must bleed 
all four lines to get all of the air and
old fluid out of the 
system.
- -Jeff Crabtree
'91 Stealth R/T TT (3SI #0499)
2K Jeep TJ 
Sport
St. Louis, MO
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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:31:23 
-0700
From: "Suzanne and da boys" <
mrjjsmkr@charter.net>
Subject: 
Team3S: Suspension and Tranny Question.
    First off we 
own a 92 Dodge Stealth R/T NA with 90,000+ miles. With a
manual 5 Speed. When 
we hit a hill with the cruise on or step on the gas in
5th it pops out of 
gear.
    Second we are going to replace the front struts and 
rear shocks it has
the ECS does anybody know what would be the best ones for 
keeping the car
flat on corners? KYB GR-2's, Stock..... And lowering it is 
not an option.
    Matt
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:19:34 
-0700
From: "Bobby Vaughn" <
bobvaughn@bresnan.net>
Subject: 
Team3S: Speedbleeders
I just had to do mine.  I have speedbleeder 
speedbleeders and they don't
leak fluid, but I do have to bleed the system 
about once a year.  It's not
bad though.  It just gets a bit of air 
into the lines.  To me, they are
worth the hassle though.  It's 
rare that I could ever get someone over to my
house to help me bleed my 
brakes, so I'll deal with an air issue just to be
able to bleed them 
myself!  I only know of one other person (personally)
that has them on 
their car as well and they are beginning to notice the same
thing with 
theirs.  They've had theirs in for a little over a year now.
Hope this 
helps.
Bobby
92 White VR4
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