Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, January 31 2004  Volume 02 : Number 359
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:47:42 -0500
 
From: "Zobel, Kurt D" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
Auto or Manual ?
 
What's slow mean?
 
 
 
Did car have problems before rebuild?
 
 
 
Kurt
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:03:45 -0800
 
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
> This engine has only one butterfly - the throttle body. You
 
> can pull your Y-pipe off and see it move.
 
 
 
Actually, the DOHC NA engines have a butterfly valve in each intake runner in the plenum.  They are all on the same shaft and are controlled by the VIC motor.  They are closed at low RPM to make the intake runners longer and they open at higher RPM to shorten the runners. 
 
 
 
- --Erik
 
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:59:00 -0600 (CST)
 
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
Gotta photo of that?  Sounds neat.
 
 
 
Others use the flaps to restrict volume of the intake which also makes the
 
intake air a higher velocity.
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:20:33 -0500
 
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
Anyone know why the turbo models don't have a similar setup?
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:19:56 -0800
 
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
> Gotta photo of that?  Sounds neat.
 
>
 
> Others use the flaps to restrict volume of the intake which
 
> also makes the intake air a higher velocity.
 
 
 
 
 
The closest thing I have is:
 
 
 
http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3S/Maint/All/Plugs/index.html
 
 
 
You can see the VIC motor in one of the pictures and then you can see the outer structure of the plenum.
 
 
 
When closed, the butterflies cause the intake air to enter the TB, move toward the REAR of the engine bay (counter-clockwise around the rear of the plenum), and then loop back up before going down in-between the banks.  When closed, the butterflies allow intake air to enter the TB, and then make an immediate right-hand turn into the intake runners.
 
 
 
Perhaps someone has a picture of a cut-away or something?  It is kinda neat to look at if you have a plenum handy
 
 
 
- --Erik
 
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:16:59 -0600 (CST)
 
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
because flow rates areny as important as youre shoving the air in..not
 
depending on velocity and efficiency.
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:43:40 -0500
 
From: "Dan" <dahur1@comcast.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: White Face for my gauges
 
 
 
Does anyone know where I can buy some white face gauge templates for  my '94
 
Stealth R/T? I found a site that I can print copies off and cut them out,
 
but prefer professionally made ones, if someone does them (Speedo,Tach,
 
and Fuel)
 
 
 
Dan
 
Flint, Mi
 
'94 red R/T.
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:32:58 -0500
 
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: White Face for my gauges
 
 
 
Dan, look on E-Bay.  I got mine off E-Bay and they're excellent.  The gauge faces that I bought have the EXACT same fonts, sizes, etc. as the stockers.  Plus, they are indiglo, and you can change the faces without having to take off the needles!  They're always for sale, and will run you around $40.  Watch when you buy, though, because there are two different kinds--ones that go to 160 MPH for the NA, and those that go to 180 for the turbos.
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:38:06 -0700
 
From: norman <normanross@shaw.ca>
 
Subject: Team3S: help
 
 
 
The car is a AUTO  N/T  I did the rebild because i spun abearing + i needed
 
faster car i was get my**** but kicked to mush i street race lots ineed it
 
fast off the line it well not take off good off the line a you could faster
 
me off the lineso for ever thing that was done i should be faster of the
 
line i am at 305 hp right now  Thanks Norman
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:41:32 -0600 (CST)
 
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: help
 
 
 
305Hp on an N/A 3L auto.
 
 
 
Care to share the dyno graph, that'd be interesting to see how it peaks
 
out.
 
 
 
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, norman wrote:
 
 
 
>
 
> The car is a AUTO  N/T  I did the rebild because i spun abearing + i needed
 
> faster car i was get my**** but kicked to mush i street race lots ineed it
 
> fast off the line it well not take off good off the line a you could faster
 
> me off the lineso for ever thing that was done i should be faster of the
 
> line i am at 305 hp right now  Thanks Norman
 
>
 
>
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:41:18 -0800
 
From: Gizmo <kdmorg@comcast.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: Re: Factory radio
 
 
 
Ted,
 
 
 
Get something a bit better than the factory setup. A good MP3 player
 
will do wonders to your want of sound. If someone could help you out
 
with the 1 din facia and the pocket to go underneath (Stock Mitsu parts)
 
then you could have a factory looking installation.
 
 
 
Question, how does your cruise control work without a factory radio?
 
 
 
Keith/Gizmo
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:56:03 -0500
 
From: "Zobel, Kurt D" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: help
 
 
 
Got some Gtech or qtr mile and 60 foot times?
 
(what does slow mean?)
 
I would think you could get under 2.0 secs for 60 foot with 305 hp on
 
NT.
 
I think I recall 2.2-2.3 on mine with maybe 240 hp.
 
 
 
Are you spinning tires too much, or just don't seem to have the 305 hp
 
you think you have?
 
 
 
Kurt
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:08:51 -0600
 
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: Pulling turbos
 
 
 
We'll be dismounting the stock turbos tomorrow morning. It's only supposed
 
to be 10 below, but we have a propane heater in the garage to keep the
 
Stealth Boys warm.
 
 
 
The engine is out, and I've been spraying every nut and bolt around the
 
turbos with PB Blaster (boy, does that stink up the garage!), and somebody
 
is bringing a torch just in case.
 
 
 
Any guidelines on removing turbos?  I already wrung one bolt off removing
 
the turbo shields, so I can envision lots of problems.
 
 
 
Wow, do people REALLY change turbos with the engine in the car? I can't
 
imagine how they do it, especially the rear one. John C suggested that when
 
we put the shield back on the rear turbo, we leave off a mounting bolt --
 
the one that's the hardest to remove with the engine in the car. Which one
 
is that? I'll be sure to leave it off.
 
 
 
Rich/slow old poop/engineless and soon to be turboless
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:48:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
 
From: Jim Floyd <jim_floyd7@earthlink.net>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: White Face for my gauges
 
 
 
There is a guy here in Colorado that has a used set for $55.00
 
Interested ?
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:49:14 -0700
 
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Factory radio
 
 
 
CC doesn't get touched at all when doing a stereo swap.  Only the vertical
 
trim piece around the radio comes off.
 
 
 
- -Erik
 
'94 R/T
 
 
 
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From: "Gizmo" <kdmorg@comcast.net>
 
> Question, how does your cruise control work without a factory radio?
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:20:21 -0500
 
From: "Dan" <dahur1@comcast.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: white face gauges
 
 
 
I just won an auctin on E-Bay for White Face Gauges that reverse light up
 
either blue or green. Does anyone
 
know if this is hard to wire up, and how much trouble did you have getting
 
the miliage reset stem out?
 
 
 
Dan
 
Flint, Mi
 
'94 red R/T
 
 
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:19:20 -0600
 
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
Actually, the non-turbo motors have a secondary set of butterflies
 
inside the intake plenum...
 
 
 
- -Cody
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:56:20 -0500
 
From: Darren Schilberg <dschilberg@spamcop.net>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine / transmission fluids
 
 
 
Mike - Good idea to get the fluids correct and keep up with routine maintenance on the
 
replacement engine.  I forget where you live but it is winter for most of the US and
 
even the warm places down South and out West are dipping into the 40s or perhaps a tad
 
colder on cold nights.  Remember that water freezes at 32 F (O C) so if you have ANY
 
bit of cold weather in your area then don't run just straight water + water wetter in
 
your car but keep some coolant in there.  I run coolant in the winter (in Pittsburgh)
 
and water + water wetter in the summer.  I didn't want someone up in the U.P. putting
 
water and some additive in their car and having it freeze solid, that's all.
 
 
 
I contacted Amsoil on what fluids to be used in the gearboxes and, as I recall, two of
 
them were the same fluid and something different in the third (like GL-4 in two and
 
GL-5 in one or something).  I can dig that up but many fluid places (Mobil's site,
 
Pennzoil maybe, etc.) will be able to indicate what fluid goes in what gearbox.  The
 
RedLine is what I used first and when it was changed out they indicated it still had
 
color.  I don't know if that is indicative of a GL-4 material or something but some
 
fluids are colored which makes it easier to determine its quality when checking
 
(instead of having fluid that starts light brown and turns brown/black and easier to
 
see if it goes from red to dark brown).
 
 
 
Coolant type depends on your style.  I've even seen a car with purple coolant initially
 
that changed to a milky color - neat.  Anyway, ethylene glycol (the sweet-tasting
 
stuff) is common but propylene glycol is supposedly "not as good tasting so kids and
 
pets won't consume it as easily."  Whatever.  Read about the specs on the specific
 
coolant you choose.
 
 
 
Just keep tabs on stuff. Typical severe service recommendations are oil changes every
 
3,000 miles regardless of the type (synthetic or not) and coolant flushes every 2 years
 
(non-DexCool stuff), and tire rotations every 5k-8k.  YMMV.
 
 
 
- --Flash!
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:30:29 -0600 (CST)
 
From: <jawieman@iastate.edu>
 
Subject: Team3S:
 
 
 
I see a bunch of stealths/3000GT's (5 total!!!) have signed up for the Speedseeker
 
(www.speedseekers.com) event this spring... I'm going but am a little broke.   Anyone want
 
 
 
to go "halfies" with me?  I will run either day, but prefer Sunday.
 
 
 
 
 
J.A. Wieman
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:05:22 -0500
 
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: White Face for my gauges
 
 
 
You can get brandy new ones on E-bay right now for around $20.
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:09:58 -0500
 
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: white face gauges
 
 
 
They are actually pretty easy to wire up.  I hooked mine up to the dash light rheostat, and they work perfectly.  You just need to be careful when running the "flat" wires through the gauge housing that you don't pinch them the wrong way, or they'll break.  You should remove the mileage reset stem before disassembling the gauge housing.  Otherwise, when you pull it out, you'll pull your speedo apart and the needle will go flying off.  Just tug on it sharply, it should come right out.
 
 
 
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:52:47 EST
 
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
 
Subject: Team3S: N/A auto/MVIC Q answered
 
 
 
Hey guys-
 
 
 
    I have a cutaway of the DOHC motor with induction paths. Email me if
 
interested ill send it to any of you. It comes from the FTO in Japan, and is
 
supposed to improve torque across the RPM range.
 
 
 
    As far as slow starts. . .is your 305 HP at the wheels or crank? Tuning
 
an N/A motor is a bit tricky. Perhaps your 305 HP is joined by only 240 ft lb
 
or torque. In a 3400 lb car,  you need more torque then top end power to get it
 
off the line quick. Peak torque could occur to high. Stock N/A motors have it
 
at 4,000 RPM, waaay past what you need for a good launch. 
 
 
 
    Larger tires will increase your rollout time. . .get 16 inch tires if all
 
you want is fast in a straight line. A stiffer suspension will decrease
 
squat, which may also help.
 
 
 
    The tranny is geared for 222 HP, not 305, so perhaps adjusting the gear
 
ratios will improve your situation. FWD is also a problem. Mashing the pedal
 
gives you torque steer, and that WILL make it very hard for you to launch
 
quickly. Brake torquing will also help you launch, although its not the best for the
 
drivetrain.
 
 
 
    Finally, having a N/A automatic myself, I can tell you from experiance
 
that quickness off the line is not its specialty. The gearing is much to tall
 
and the car much to heavy. If you must race the car, try to race starting at 40
 
MPH or so. Mashing the auto at that speed will cause it to kick down and put
 
the engine in its powerband, wich is what you will need.
 
 
 
Or just get a stick. . .or maybe a TT. . . : )
 
 
 
Good Luck
 
Mike
 
97 SL
 
 
 
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:05:52 -0600
 
From: "William J. Crabtree" <wjcrabtree@earthlink.net>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: Pulling turbos
 
 
 
Rich, et al.
 
 
 
On the topic of using propane in the garage for heat, just be careful.
 
Propane creates CO just like natural gas.  Give yourself plenty of
 
"fresh air" time.  Especially if you start to feel light headed or
 
nauseous.
 
 
 
OK....removing the turbos:
 
 
 
(and oh, BTW...why would ANYONE wanna do it with the motor in the car is
 
BEYOND ME)
 
 
 
If you twist off anymore heat sheild bolts< they're easy enough to drill
 
out and re-tap if necessary once you have the precatsoff.  Just put them
 
in a vise to do so.  You'll find the task much easier with the sheilds
 
off.
 
 
 
If you have trouble with the turbo nuts/bolts, try using an impact
 
wrench...always worked for me.
 
 
 
Best of luck...and stay warm.
 
 
 
- -Jeff
 
 
 
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:41:23 -0600
 
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: N/A auto/MVIC Q answered
 
 
 
A higher than standard stall converter will also help to get you into
 
the correct powerband.
 
 
 
- -Cody
 
 
 
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:17:16 -0500
 
From: "Dan Labonte" <danlabonte@cox.net>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: need help
 
 
 
Erik,
 
 
 
I was able to change plugs and wires without the removale of the TB.  It is
 
a little tight but doable, and saves some time and 1 gasket. (just mt 2
 
cents)
 
 
 
Dan Labonte
 
 
 
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:25:07 -0600
 
From: "Daniel Hyde" <danielhyde@comcast.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: TEC Strut Bar - Plenum Contact! - Motor Mounts?
 
 
 
About 3 weeks ago the Check Engine light came on.  Found that the Sensor for
 
manifold pressure differential was broken and hanging by it's wires.  I
 
thought it strange but dismissed it as a probable self inflicted accident
 
while putting my TEC strut bar back after doing some maintenance.  I figured
 
I had bumped it and cracked it some time prior and it finally gave way.  I
 
ended up mending it with superglue and sealing the external fracture area
 
with high temp silicone.   Worked just fine (no check engine light) after I
 
reset the ECU.
 
 
 
Well, the thing gave way again yesterday morning and I decided that it was
 
time to go buy one figuring the glue fix couldn't withstand the temps.  And
 
by the way MD305600 is a cool $158 list price!
 
 
 
While talking with my mechanic buddy out there at the Mitsu dealer, he
 
mentioned maybe engine movement caused the component contact with the TEC
 
Bar.  I didn't think it so due to the clearance that exists there but sure
 
nuff - I see now that is indeed what is going on.
 
 
 
I presume now that I have tired motor mounts that need replaced?  About a
 
month ago before all this happened, I had an RPS Carbon-Carbon clutch
 
installed (which by the way is absolutely excellent) and I guess I'm getting
 
more engine movement now as a result.
 
 
 
* Has anyone else experienced plenum contact with the TEC strut Bar?
 
* Is it indeed time for Motor mounts and which would be suspect?
 
 (I have brand new stock MM's installed - upper left (visible) and lower
 
right - did that when the clutch went in)
 
* Should I do Stock MM's or aftermarket units to lock this issue down so it
 
does not recur?
 
* If aftermarket - which have had good result?
 
 
 
The TEC BAR absolutely stays - I'm not parting company with that gem.
 
 
 
I'm sitting here gluing my old sensor back together and will put it back in
 
there for now.  There is no way am I installing the new sensor until I get
 
this issue resolved. In the mean time, I'll take it easy on the launches.
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Dan
 
97 VR4 ~94K miles
 
 
 
 
 
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