Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Sunday, January 25 2004   Volume 02 : Number 353
 
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:19:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
 
Pads are a huge tradeoff.
 
brake better, brake longer..-usually- its pick 1.  Id say always, but
there might be some pad out there that'll brake better than stock and last
longer than 50-60-70k miles.
 
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:27:17 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
 
> In addition to increased performance, would you say the
> aftermarket pads last longer than stock?
 
I can't comment on longevity since I've only had the R4S on there since last year.  However, many performance pads will generate more dust, which sticks to your wheels and the sides of your car.  The dust from the R4S pads comes off very easily, but it's a bit annoying.  I've heard that other pads are significantly worse, some with corrosive dust.
 
> The three that stood out to me were (may have been their advertising):
> ATE Super Blue Brake Fluid (DOT 4) - well suited for street
>    - can go without flush for 3 years (better for street)
>    - color blue makes it easy to bleed
<snip>
> Thoughts? I am leaning towards the ATE Super Blue brake
> fluid. Where can I
> get it? Do I want Original ATE Brake Fluid Super DOT4 or
> another version?
 
That's what I use for the street and the track at the moment.  I have had no problems.  Like someone else mentioned, they make it in a gold color as well, so you can easily bleed the whole system and know you did it thoroughly.
 
I bought my last batch in July, 2002, for $7.95 a liter.  That company now only sells OEM parts, not fluids and such.  Try searching on Google for a place to get it cheap - some places want $16-$20 a liter, and you can easily find it for half of that.
 
Here's one place I found:
http://www.raceshopper.com/ate_brake_fluid.shtml
 
There are other places that probably have it cheaper.  Perhaps Geoff or Phil or one of our other business members can chime in with suggestions?
 
- --Erik
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:13:12 -0800
From: Gizmo <kdmorg@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Wrong information...Sorry experts.
 
Hi Folks,
 
I asked for advice because I did not have the manual yet and looking
under the hood(actually under the hood) was not somewhere I generally
look. On the firewall or on a fender or the cross piece where the
radiator is located. I never thought to look up on/under the hood itself.
 
I am a bit of a rookie at this and chose to ask for advice. I can tear
down a 280Z in a day but the Stealth is something a bit new to me. (I
drove the Z for 15 years)
 
The manual says to check with an a/c expert but did outline both the
R134a and the R-12. I specifically asked NORCO for a receiver that was
compatible with R-134a. As far as I can see this would not be an issue
if I use R-134a (since R-12 is illegal now). I was just commenting that
the '93 Stealth did not always come equiped to use R-134a. I figure I
can do a retro fit on the rest of the system. I'm replacing the
expansion valve also and requested it be compatible with R-134a.
 
Regards,
 
Keith/Gizmo
 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:27:17 -0500
From: "Christopher Gerard" <c.w.gerard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 93 3000GT Tranmission Problem
 
> I have a 1993, 3000GT non-turbo automatic that all of a sudden lost all
> gears but 3rd and reverse.  I guess it is in fail safe mode.  I did a
check
> of the engine codes and came up with 62 which is the induction control
valve
> position sensor.  Code means that there is a VIC servo malfunction.  Is
this
> part of the transmission and is it accessible from the outside?
> Transmission was replaced 3 years ago with a rebuilt one.  Can anyone help
> me with this problem?  Thank you very much.
 

I experienced the same event several months ago. The transmission (F4A33)
went in to fail safe due to the 'Transmission Control Module'
malfunctioning. I believe this device also may be referred to as the
'Transaxle Control Unit.'  It has to be replaced--$335 for a remanufactured
unit via the DEALER (arg). I guess you could avoid the dealer and get it
cheaper. I don't even want to know what a brand new unit would cost.
 
 
 
Chris
91 Stealth ES
 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:59:54 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <philip@supercar-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
 
There is also a Performance Friction Z-rated brake fluid out there with a
minimum dry boiling point of 570 F.
http://www.performancefriction.com/pages/access.htm
Performance Friction is a premier US racing brake company, so the fluid
must be good. Most of their other products are very popular among racers
even though they are priced several times higher than the competition, so
the fluid must be good too, else they would not be offering it. I have not
used it myself yet, but I may give it a try after my AP fluid runs out. The
Performance Friction fluid is $7.60/quart through me (it's not listed on
the website yet).
 
Brake pads is an interesting story. Once you find pads that work just the
way you like them to, then you start driving more aggressively and use them
more often, so it is it is hard to compare the pad wear before and after.
For me, pad wear becomes an issue only at the track if a set of pads wears
down in less than 2-3 days, then I am upset. Other than that, most of the
good pads will keep you happy for many years and tens of thousands of miles
on the street, so it becomes less of an issue if you buy street pads that
cost $10 more or less.
 
A more important issue to consider would be the rotor wear. Rotors cost 4x
times more than the pads, so you do not want to run pads that are not
rotor-friendly.
 
I have a line of brake pads that I stand by because I use them on the
street and at the track. All street pads would be an excellent upgrade to
the dealer pads.
http://supercar-engineering.com/prod80-brakepads.htm
 
Philip
http://supercar-engineering.com
 

At 04:27 PM 1/23/2004, Gross, Erik wrote:
>Perhaps Geoff or Phil or one of our other business members can chime in
>with suggestions?
 
 
 
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:53:28 -0500
From: "The Furmans" <L.Furman1@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: Group Buy on TEIN & JIC Suspensions
 
Ok so worked out a GB with a local shop that a couple buddies of mine
own, let me preface this by saying I get NO financial benefit other
than the fact that if we can meet the requirements for the GB I can
save a bunch of money on my suspension.
 
Now onto the details,
 
The shop handling the GB is Victor Research ( www.victorresearch.com )
and they are a real performance shop located in CT not just a online
deal.
 
Buyer pays shipping from East Hartford, CT if you are local you are
more than welcome to come pick up to save on shipping.
 
The GB opens on 02/02/04 and closes 02/20/04, payment is due no later
than 7 P.M. EST on 02/20/04
 
Payment options are as follows Credit Card, Money Order, Paypal, and
if you are local to East Hartford CT cash payment in person is also an
option.
 
Now onto pricing for this whole thing
 
Tein Flex is $1370 (EDFC is available as an option for $340 more)
 
JIC FLT A2 is $1460
 
To date the cheapest I have seen the Tein's go for is at Options auto
salon for 1482 and the cheapest I have seen the JIC's go for is 1620
at GT Pro.
 
Now I am simply running as middle man if you will on this whole deal,
I will not be handling payments or anything like that but simply
putting the list with contact information ONLY together and just
keeping tabs on who paid and then once the deal closes keep folks
updated on status.
 
very important to note they do not have any of our set ups in stock so
there will be a 7 business day lead time before they get the
suspensions into them and the shipping lead time from East Hartford to
wherever you are at. So at most you should be waiting about 2 weeks
from the date of the close of the GB.
 
ANY QUESTIONS JUST EMAIL ME ALSO PLEASE KEEP RESPONSE OFF LIST AS NOT
TO CLUTTER IT UNNECESSARILY
 

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:02:40 +0100
From: "canaty" <canaty@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Wrong information...Sorry experts.
 
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From: "Gizmo" <kdmorg@comcast.net>
To: "T3S mailing list" <Team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: Team3S: Re: Wrong information...Sorry experts
 
HELLO To ALL. I AM An EXPERT FRIGORISTA And CAN GIVE To SOME COUNCIL FOR ALL
YOU THAT YOU HAVE The PROBLEM TO CHANGE GAS F12(O R12): USING GAS R134A IT
DOES NOT HAVE TO CHANGE The EXPANSION VALVE BUT IT MUST WASH ALL The CIRCUIT
WELL And PUT SYNTHETIC OIL IN PLACE OF MINERAL QURLLO. The CIRCUIT MUST BE
WASHED WITH APPROPRIATE The DETERGENT PERCHE GAS 134A And INCOMPATIBLE
PRODUCT CHEMICALLY WITH The MINERAL OIL VERY WELL. And ADVISABLE TO MAKE TO
MAKE THIS JOB FROM ONE SPECIALIST. An OTHER SOLUTION PUO TO BE TO USE GAS FX
56:CON NOT There THIS GAS And NEED TO MAKE The RETRO-FIT (WASHING), BUT I DO
NOT KNOW IF YOU And POSSIBLE TO FIND THIS GAS To THEM. I On MY STHEALTH Of
The 91 STILL PUT R12 PERCHE OF It I HAVE STILL A LOT And EVEN IF HERE IN
ILLEGAL ITALY And HE IS TO USE IT THAT TO POSSESS IT. IF YOU WERE IN EUROPE
YOU I COULD HAVE HELPED BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE TOO MUCH FAR.
I WANT TO USE THIS OCCASION IN ORDER TO ASK IF SOMEONE Of the LIST POSSESSES
A USED "ECU" BUT WORKING MD159966 FOR MY STEALTH RT PERCHE MINE ARE ROUTES
the CONDENSERS And the ACID HAS RUINED MANY TRACKS Of the CARD. I HAVE TRIED
TO REPAIR THEM ALL BUT WHEN I HAVE TRIED IT NOT IT SENDS ME MARKS THEM ALLE
COILS OF HIGH TENSION QUI IN ITALY THE ECU COSTS 1,000 $$>(1,000 €) IF
SOMEONE COULD SELL IT TO A GOOD PRICE WHAT WOULD BE ONE MUCH BIG.GRAZIE To
ALL HELLO FROM BEEN BORN THEM
CIAO
NATALE
CANU NATALE
ITALY
SARDEGNA
 
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:18:16 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wrong information...Sorry experts.
 
>> ... since R-12 is illegal now ...
 
Nonsense. "R-12" (CFC-12 or Freon) is not illegal. It is widely available - legally. What is illegal is the *production* of CFC-12 (at least offically in the USA). Read more about this at the link below.
 
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/609/index.html
 
I have heard that Freon is the second most smuggled substance into our country, right after drugs. God bless the free market and capitalism.
 
Note: every single 1991-1993 3S model with AC used CFC-12 from the factory.
 
2nd Note: Mitsubishi no longers manufacturers, stocks, or sells *new* AC compressors (model FX105VS) for 1991-1993 models. Read more about this and an excellent source for rebuilt compressors (Hancock Industries) at my web page below.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-ac-compressor.htm
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Subject: Team3S: Re: Wrong information...Sorry experts.
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:13:12 -0800
From: Gizmo <kdmorg@comcast.net>
To: T3S mailing list <Team3S@team3s.com>
 
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:37:22 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
 
>> Thoughts? I am leaning towards the ATE Super Blue brake fluid.
>> Where can I get it? Do I want Original ATE Brake Fluid Super
>> DOT4 or another version?
 
For more info on brake fluids and specs for over a dozen high-performance brake fluids, and where to get ATE (not the best brake fluid but an excellent product at a good price) see my web page below.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-brakefluid.htm
 
I would stay away from the Ford HD and Performance Friction "Z-Rated". Both of these fluids have reasonable dry boiling points. They are described as "DOT 3" because their wet boiling point does not meet or exceed DOT 4 specs, meaning it is less than 311F (155C). These would be fine (especially Ford HD because of its very low price) for track use where fluid is changed often. However, for most "street-only" drivers, brake fluid only gets changed annually at best, or more often every 2 or 3 years or more. Choose a brake fluid that also has a high wet boiling point (above DOT 5.1 specs) to avoid absorption of water.
 
Also, DOT 5.1 is sometimes spec'd by a manufacturer for ABS systems. That is what should always be used in that case. For our cars and our ABS, Mitsu specs DOT 3 or DOT 4. Any of the high-performance fluids listed on my web page above (DOT 4 or DOT 5.1) will work fine in our cars. Every single fluid I list (with the exception of Ford HD) exceeds DOT 5.1 specs. I don't think there is any real advantage of the lower viscosity DOT 5.1 is there? Though chemically different, DOT 5.1 and DOT 3 and DOT 4 can be mixed without problems.
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Subject: RE: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:01:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Baldwin <mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
To: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
 

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:19:33 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Team3S: Brake fluid shelf life?
 
While cleaning out my garage I came accross a case of QuakerState DOT 3
brake fluid, dated 1993.
 
All of the bottles are still sealed, are they still good?
 
- -Erik
'94 R/T
 

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:22:08 -0800 (PST)
From: chfmn@webtv.net (Walter Womack)
Subject: Team3S: Oil cap leak
 
Thanks for the info guys; Tried buying some oil cap gaskets but they
were unavailable locally and I didn't want to wait so I bought a new
cap.Then I called the local Mitsu dealer for a PCV valve.BIG
mistake.They wanted $29.95 for one,so I went to an import auto parts
store and got one for $4.50. No more oil leak!
 
92 RTTT Pearl White
 

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:30:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
 
A thinner fluid makes the brake system react faster both on and off.
 
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Jeff Lucius wrote:
 
> >> Thoughts? I am leaning towards the ATE Super Blue brake fluid.
> >> Where can I get it? Do I want Original ATE Brake Fluid Super
> >> DOT4 or another version?
>
> For more info on brake fluids and specs for over a dozen high-performance brake fluids, and where to get ATE (not the best brake fluid but an excellent product at a good price) see my web page below.
>
> http://www.stealth316.com/2-brakefluid.htm
>
> I would stay away from the Ford HD and Performance Friction "Z-Rated". Both of these fluids have reasonable dry boiling points. They are described as "DOT 3" because their wet boiling point does not meet or exceed DOT 4 specs, meaning it is less than 311F (155C). These would be fine (especially Ford HD because of its very low price) for track use where fluid is changed often. However, for most "street-only" drivers, brake fluid only gets changed annually at best, or more often every 2 or 3 years or more. Choose a brake fluid that also has a high wet boiling point (above DOT 5.1 specs) to avoid absorption of water.
>
> Also, DOT 5.1 is sometimes spec'd by a manufacturer for ABS systems. That is what should always be used in that case. For our cars and our ABS, Mitsu specs DOT 3 or DOT 4. Any of the high-performance fluids listed on my web page above (DOT 4 or DOT 5.1) will work fine in our cars. Every single fluid I list (with the exception of Ford HD) exceeds DOT 5.1 specs. I don't think there is any real advantage of the lower viscosity DOT 5.1 is there? Though chemically different, DOT 5.1 and DOT 3 and DOT 4 can be mixed without problems.
>
> Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
>
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> Subject: RE: Team3S: Stock brake pads / Belts question
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:01:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: Michael Baldwin <mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
> To: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
>
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