Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, January 7 2004
Volume 02 : Number
339
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Date:
Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:38:45 -0800 (PST)
From:
dark@non-corporeal.netSubject: Re:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004,
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
wrote:
> I bet the timing belt is off a tooth. When they replaced the
water pump,
> they should have done the timing belt, too. Dealers are
notorious for
> screwing up a perfectly good car. They also take your car
for a joy ride,
> and blow pistons and things. You don't ever want to go
to a dealer for
> anything except warranty work.
>
> Do you
have a sign on your forehead that says "screw me"? Man, you are
> getting
some awfully bad diagnostic work.
Apparently, trying to find someone
honest or compotent... I am convinced
that "society" is useless. Funny thing
is, I asked on this newsgroup who
to go to in my area - and Willie at Wynn's
was recommended. Its such a
pain, I work almost all day to buy 1 hour of
time from these people.
>
> Vacaville Dodge messed up your car
would be my guess. You need to find a
> good TT mechanic, not a dealer.
Ship it to my tuner in Des Moines, Iowa.
> He'll fix it.
Sorry, I
think thats I bit out of my range. But yes, Vacaville Dodge
started this
snowball.
>
> Rich/slow old poop
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:59:37
-0800
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
Clogged cats are a
possibility, but they don't clog unless there is
something very, very wrong
with the combustion in the first place. Get
behind your car after you get
back from driving it and smell. Without
sticking your nose in the tailpipe,
you should not smell much exhaust at all
if any. There should also be no
noticeable smoke coming from the pipes. If
you have ether, there is a
combustion problem.
Unfortunately, there are tons of issues that can
cause that. Assuming that
you dont have a physical problem like a burned out
cylinder or a slipped
timing belt, the pocket logger may be of
help.
Log the following:
RPM
TPS
O2
Injector P/W (Duty
Cycle)
Air flow (or air volume, I don't remember which our cars use, but it
should
be obvious once you look at it)
IAC
O2 Enrichment
Accel
Enrichment
Drive the car around a while, do various things. Idle, rev,
floor it in 3rd,
redline in 2nd or 3rd (make sure to do it in a safe place).
Save the data
file to your Palm and name it "carlog".
Then sync your
palm with your computer and look for a file named CARLOG.PDB
Send that file
to someone that knows how to look at it on this board. I will
look at it if
you want, but I'm not an expert by any means. Matter of fact,
I am
troubleshooting similar issues on my VR4, but unfortunately with a
much
smaller budget than you.
Don't give up, and stop taking your car
to dealers. Learn to work on it
yourself! Get together with a local 3/S
chapter in your area (there are tons
of em in Cali) and go to "tech days" or
talk with group about your issues.
One expert looking at your car for 30
seconds can be better than 30 experts
on this board whom are unable to see
and feel your pain.
One other thing that never hurts to do is a
compression test. It will test
mechanical workings of the block and reveal
bent valves, burned pistons or
broken rings. A tester should not cost more
than $30-40 and if you can
unscrew a spark plug, you can do the test
youself.
Tyson Varosyan
Technical Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions
LLC.
tyson@up-times.comwww.up-times.com206-715-TECH
(8324)
UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime
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From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of
dark@non-corporeal.netSent:
Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:11 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
I have a 91 TT and when I
bought it at 75k on odo (I am its second owner)
it made 21 mpg. I took it to
Vacaville Dodge to get the water pump replaced
(was leaking). Suddenly milage
went down to 19 or so. At this point they
replaced my front because of
a leak. They still did not fix or explain
the fuel issue or the powerloss
that came with it. I was ready to do some
damage but family decided jail
should not be in my future.
So I took my lumps and took it all the way to
Wynn's in SF. Currently at
17 mpg. He said my turbo's were dead. Ok,
fine, Rebuild them. And at my
request (and some parts I brought in), the 60k
was done just in case,
fuel filter and all o2 sensors replaced. New MAS used
CAS. Still at 17,
he checked again and said the thermostat sensor was loose.
No joy. Just
today at 15.5 mpg. Willie said he would look into it and I'll
call him
late this week.
There is no mods to the car (have yet to fix
it first). All this has
happend over a period of 7 months (3 spent in a
shop). My pocketlogger
doesn't show anything I would recognize as bad (which
is admittedly
little, little to no knock, no abnormal pressure issues). What
am I/ are
we missing? At this point I feel I have done my best effort. I love
the
car but even I have limits. I have spent over 5k on this. If I cannot
fix
it I have to trash it - it'll never pass smog in CA. Can anyone guess
the
problem? Or make an offer on my money pit?
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:55:19
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
let's start with the
simple, cheap, and obvious things without high technology logging and
diagnosis.
1) did they change the spark plugs when they did the 60K
service? This is not always done.
2) did they change the spark plug
wires when they did the 60K service?
3) have you ever run a can of injector
cleaner through the car?
You described a sudden decrease in gas
mileage. Any other symptoms, like cutting out at high speed WOT? Why
did they say the turbos were bad? Do you have a real boost gauge on the
car?
How does the car idle? smoothly and at the correct
rpm?
Have you checked for leaks in the intake side? How does the
vacuum tubing look?
The timing belt being off a tooth seems like a good
possibility too.
Chuck Willis
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:19:15
-0500
From: "Greg Wurst" <
GWurst@miamisburg.k12.oh.us>
Subject:
Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
I earlier asked a question about
installing larger injectors without a
fuel computer, and as I suspected that
wasn't really an option. My
other question is can I install a set of
13G turbos on my '95 VR4 and
use them without the larger injectors, fuel
computer, high-flow fuel
pump, etc. My turbos are pretty much shot at
98,000 miles. The car
doesn't do much during boost, and I get a lovely
shot of black smoke out
the exhaust if I really try to get on it.
Considering my wife's Stealth
still goes like a bat out of hell, and my car
runs fine otherwise and
still gets decent gas mileage,I think I've got some
dead turbos. I was
hoping to install the 13G turbos first and then
worry about the
injectors, fuel computer, etc. later. Is this a viable
option? Any
advice?
Thanks,
Greg
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:27:02
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
In 99% of the cases one
or both O2 sensors are shot.
After some time the precats indeed can get
klogged. In the case of one of
my customers the grid of the cat was really
looking like it grew together.
My estimation was that it probably only hat
1/3 of the flow than before.
Also the outlet and wastegate area of the turbo
was totally white
indicating very high temps that could not go away from
there.
Fuel consumption was about 18 liters/100km (please recalc yourself
to mpg)
what is 50% more than usual on mixed driving (12l / 100km mixed is
normal).
A jumped timing belt may not cause such a low mpg, but as
Charles stated,
an erratic idle may point into this direction.
Roger
G.
93 & 96 3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 08:55 07.01.2004 -0600,
Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>let's start with the simple, cheap, and obvious
things without high
>technology logging and diagnosis.
>
>1)
did they change the spark plugs when they did the 60K service? This is
>not always done.
>2) did they change the spark plug wires when
they did the 60K service?
>3) have you ever run a can of injector cleaner
through the car?
>
>You described a sudden decrease in gas
mileage. Any other symptoms, like
>cutting out at high speed
WOT? Why did they say the turbos were bad? Do
>you have a
real boost gauge on the car?
>
>How does the car idle?
smoothly and at the correct rpm?
>
>Have you checked for leaks in
the intake side? How does the vacuum tubing
>look?
>
>The timing belt being off a tooth seems like a good
possibility too.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:36:32
-0000
From: Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LTET <
Michael.Kopsick@robins.af.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Is 3SX the only company offering
replacement struts for the 3000 other than
the dealer? I have the ECS
suspension option and is it worth keeping that
or should i just use 3SX's
replacements and do away with it....Not wanting
to spend $2000 on suspension,
just want to repair what i have
failing...thanks for the
help...
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:36:49
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
Yes, it is. But go with something
larger that are worth the money, GT357
Magnum at least ;-)
Roger
G.
93 & 96 3000GT TT
www.rtec.chstill gets decent gas mileage,I
think I've got some dead turbos. I was
>hoping to install the 13G
turbos first and then worry about the
>injectors, fuel computer, etc.
later. Is this a viable option?
Any
>advice?
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:45:27
-0600
From: "Mohammad Farooqi" <
MFarooqi@Insight.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Try
www.rockauto.comThey have replacement
struts and other parts (new) at very low prices. Parts come with
warrenties
also!!
Mohammad
1995 3000GT base
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Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Kopsick Michael J Contr
WRALC/LTET
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:37 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Is 3SX the only company
offering replacement struts for the 3000 other than
the dealer? I have
the ECS suspension option and is it worth keeping that
or should i just use
3SX's replacements and do away with it....Not wanting
to spend $2000 on
suspension, just want to repair what i have
failing...thanks for the
help...
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:13:46
-0000
From: Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LTET <
Michael.Kopsick@robins.af.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts... Does the VR car and the SL have th e
same suspension?? HELP!
The dealer asked me is it an R or U
car...The R is the turbo car but does
the SL with ECS have the same thing as
the VR cars when it comes to struts?
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Mohammad Farooqi [mailto:MFarooqi@Insight.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:45 AM
To: Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LTET;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Try
www.rockauto.comThey have replacement
struts and other parts (new) at very low prices. Parts
come
with
warrenties also!!
Mohammad
1995 3000GT base
-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Kopsick Michael J Contr
WRALC/LTET
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:37 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Is 3SX the only company
offering replacement struts for the 3000 other than
the dealer? I have
the ECS suspension option and is it worth keeping that
or should i just use
3SX's replacements and do away with it....Not wanting
to spend $2000 on
suspension, just want to repair what i have
failing...thanks for the
help...
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:19:21
-0500
From: "Greg Wurst" <
GWurst@miamisburg.k12.oh.us>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
They're a little larger than what I'm
looking for :-). To properly use
those I'd probably need to replace the
precats and possibly get a
different MAS setup and intercooler
pipes. I've already got a 3" DNP
exhaust including the
downpipe, so I think with the 550 CC injectors and
the Supra fuel pump
running about 16 psi with the 13G's will do the
trick. The GT-347 is
also an option, but I'm not sure which is better.
Any thoughts? I use
this car as my everyday driver and just want to
make sure no late model
Camaro SS can take me. My father-in-law's can
just keep up with me, and
that's just unacceptable! :-P
Greg
>>> Roger Gerl
<
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
1/7/2004 10:36:49 AM >>>
Yes, it is. But go with something larger
that are worth the money,
GT357
Magnum at least
;-)
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:29:13
-0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts... Does the VR car and the SL have th e
same suspension?? HELP!
I believe the fronts are the same, however
the rears are definitely
different.
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Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Kopsick Michael J Contr
WRALC/LTET
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:14 AM
To: 'Mohammad
Farooqi'; Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LTET;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts... Does the VR car and the SL
have th e
same suspension?? HELP!
The dealer asked me is it an R or U car...The R
is the turbo car but
does
the SL with ECS have the same thing as the VR
cars when it comes to
struts?
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Mohammad Farooqi [mailto:MFarooqi@Insight.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07,
2004 10:45 AM
To: Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LTET;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
RE: Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Try
www.rockauto.comThey have replacement
struts and other parts (new) at very low prices.
Parts
come
with
warrenties also!!
Mohammad
1995 3000GT base
-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Kopsick Michael J Contr
WRALC/LTET
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:37 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Is 3SX the only company
offering replacement struts for the 3000 other
than
the dealer? I
have the ECS suspension option and is it worth keeping
that
or should i
just use 3SX's replacements and do away with it....Not
wanting
to spend
$2000 on suspension, just want to repair what i have
failing...thanks for the
help...
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:34:03
-0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
That's a tricky question. I've got a
friend with a Heads/Cam Camaro SS
Auto with a stall running 11.10's at 121+
in the 1/4... So, are you
wanting to beat heavily modded ones, stock ones, or
mildly modded ones
(another friends LS1 car: headers / borla / intake, runs
12.8's at 111)
???
- -Cody
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Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Wurst
Sent: Wednesday,
January 07, 2004 10:19 AM
To:
TEAM3S@team3s.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
Turbo upgrade question
They're a little larger than what I'm looking for
:-). To properly use
those I'd probably need to replace the precats and
possibly get a
different MAS setup and intercooler pipes.
I've already got a 3" DNP
exhaust including the downpipe, so I think with the
550 CC injectors and
the Supra fuel pump running about 16 psi with the 13G's
will do the
trick. The GT-347 is also an option, but I'm not sure which
is better.
Any thoughts? I use this car as my everyday driver and just
want to
make sure no late model Camaro SS can take me. My
father-in-law's can
just keep up with me, and that's just unacceptable!
:-P
Greg
>>> Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch> 1/7/2004
10:36:49 AM >>>
Yes, it is. But go with something larger that are
worth the money,
GT357
Magnum at least ;-)
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:33:45
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
Our european 3000GT have the 13G stock
... not worth the money.
No, for 357 or Magnums you don't need anything
else but with a 13G.
Why do you go with 550cc when you don't have the
turbos that provide enough
air without running out of the efficiency field ?
Discharge temp goes too
high with increased boost, the stock intercoolers
cannot provide enough
cooling and too hot air will enter the combustion
chamber. the result is
knock what retards the timing and causes power loss
at least.
Any SS will eat you if the path is not gone
properly.
Roger G.
93 & 96 3000GT TT
www.rtec.chAt 11:19 07.01.2004 -0500, Greg
Wurst wrote:
>They're a little larger than what I'm looking for :-).
To properly use
>those I'd probably need to replace the precats and
possibly get a
>different MAS setup and intercooler
pipes. I've already got a 3" DNP
>exhaust including the
downpipe, so I think with the 550 CC injectors and
>the Supra fuel pump
running about 16 psi with the 13G's will do the
>trick. The GT-347
is also an option, but I'm not sure which is better.
>Any thoughts?
I use this car as my everyday driver and just want to
>make sure no late
model Camaro SS can take me. My father-in-law's can
>just keep up
with me, and that's just unacceptable!
:-P
>
>Greg
>
>
> >>> Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch> 1/7/2004
10:36:49 AM >>>
>Yes, it is. But go with something larger that
are worth the money,
>GT357
>Magnum at least ;-)
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:55:50
-0500
From: "Greg Wurst" <
GWurst@miamisburg.k12.oh.us>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
Any heavily modified SS is out of the
range of what I'm looking to
spend. Being able to beat a stock or
slightly modified SS will be
enough to me. That should also take care
of most Corvettes with the
possible exception of a Z06 or maybe an old
ZR1. Of course, modified
Corvettes can easily take me unless I'm
willing to drop about $10,000
for a complete engine job (which I'm
not).
Greg
>>> cody <
overclck@satx.rr.com> 1/7/2004
11:34:03 AM >>>
That's a tricky question. I've got a friend
with a Heads/Cam Camaro
SS
Auto with a stall running 11.10's at 121+ in
the 1/4... So, are you
wanting to beat heavily modded ones, stock ones, or
mildly modded ones
(another friends LS1 car: headers / borla / intake, runs
12.8's at
111)
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:04:57
-0500
From: "Greg Wurst" <
GWurst@miamisburg.k12.oh.us>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
I got a really good deal on the 550's,
and I just couldn't bring myself
to buy 450's knowing that they'd only be
good for 13g's at best. I may
one day go with 15g's, so at least I
could keep the injectors.
My main goal is to run the best setup I can
maintaining the stock
intercoolers and piping and limiting boost to at most
16psi so I don't
need better pistons and such. I also wanted to keep
the stock TD04
housing so as to keep from buying new headers and the
like. The GT357
is a viable option, but I'm not sure if I can get the
maximum use out of
it without larger intercoolers or a front mount
intercooler. If I want
to go that route, I'll go with 15g turbos.
While not perfectly matched,
I think I can get a successful setup with the
550 injectors and a 13g
class turbo. Of course, I have little
experience with forced induction
and am always open to suggestions.
:-)
Greg
>>> Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch> 1/7/2004
11:33:45 AM >>>
Why do you go with 550cc when you don't have the
turbos that provide
enough
air without running out of the efficiency
field ? Discharge temp goes
too
high with increased boost, the stock
intercoolers cannot provide enough
cooling and too hot air will enter the
combustion chamber. the result
is
knock what retards the timing and
causes power loss at least.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:06:15
-0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt D" <
Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
Pressure leaks after the
turbo's seem the only likely cause I can think
of.
If the MAS is seeing
huge ammounts of air in, but some is not making it
to cylinders, too much
fuel is dumped in.
Can't imagine the valves or rings are bad at 75k
miles.
Spark plugs and wires were checked? at some point?
Kurt
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From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of
dark@non-corporeal.netSent:
Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:11 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
I have a 91 TT and when I
bought it at 75k on odo (I am its second
owner)
it made 21 mpg. I took it
to Vacaville Dodge to get the water pump
replaced (was leaking). Suddenly
milage went down to 19 or so. At this
point they
replaced my front
because of a leak. They still did not fix or explain
the fuel issue or the
powerloss that came with it. I was ready to do
some
damage but family
decided jail should not be in my future.
So I took my lumps and took it
all the way to Wynn's in SF. Currently at
17 mpg. He said my
turbo's were dead. Ok, fine, Rebuild them. And at my
request (and some
parts I brought in), the 60k was done just in case,
fuel filter and all o2
sensors replaced. New MAS used CAS. Still at 17,
he checked again and said
the thermostat sensor was loose. No joy. Just
today at 15.5 mpg. Willie said
he would look into it and I'll call him
late this week.
There is no
mods to the car (have yet to fix it first). All this has
happend over a
period of 7 months (3 spent in a shop). My pocketlogger
doesn't show
anything I would recognize as bad (which is admittedly
little, little to no
knock, no abnormal pressure issues). What am I/ are
we missing? At this point
I feel I have done my best effort. I love the
car but even I have limits. I
have spent over 5k on this. If I cannot
fix
it I have to trash it - it'll
never pass smog in CA. Can anyone guess
the
problem? Or make an offer on
my money pit?
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:44:46
-0800
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Turbo upgrade question
You can put any size turbo on your car and
not worry about upgrading the
rest of the stuff. As long as you keep the
car's stock boost controller, it
will keep the pressure in the system at the
levels where the stock ECU,
Injectors and fuel pump can keep up. To gain more
power you need to raise
the boost (new boost controller) at which point the
car will suck more air
and need more fuel with injectors, pump and later
rails and ECU upgrades.
Tyson Varosyan
Technical Manager, Uptime
Technical Solutions LLC.
tyson@up-times.comwww.up-times.com206-715-TECH
(8324)
UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime
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From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Greg Wurst
Sent: Wednesday,
January 07, 2004 7:19 AM
To:
TEAM3S@team3s.comSubject: Team3S: Turbo
upgrade question
I earlier asked a question about installing larger
injectors without a
fuel computer, and as I suspected that wasn't really an
option. My
other question is can I install a set of 13G turbos on my
'95 VR4 and
use them without the larger injectors, fuel computer, high-flow
fuel
pump, etc. My turbos are pretty much shot at 98,000 miles.
The car
doesn't do much during boost, and I get a lovely shot of black smoke
out
the exhaust if I really try to get on it. Considering my wife's
Stealth
still goes like a bat out of hell, and my car runs fine otherwise
and
still gets decent gas mileage,I think I've got some dead turbos. I
was
hoping to install the 13G turbos first and then worry about
the
injectors, fuel computer, etc. later. Is this a viable
option? Any
advice?
Thanks,
Greg
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:28:29
-0500 (EST)
From: Michael Baldwin <
mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: Wheel choices
Hi guys, I'm trying to decide between 2 sets of
wheels
Falken Torque 5
Volk GTC
The Volks are about $600 but I
have been hearing good things about them.
My question is when people say they
are "light strong wheels" 1) does this
mean that they are able to withstand
the rigors of city driving (potholes,
bad roads) better?
2) Also, the
specs of the wheels are 18x7.5 - would this fit our cars (I
have a 97
Vr4).
Thanks
Mike
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:49:28
-0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <
jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel choices
Would 7.5" wide wheels *fit* our cars? Maybe.
Depends on the spoke design and offset. The bigger question is why would a
person *want* to put a wheel that is 1" narrower than the factory wheel on the
car (winter driving and tires excepted)? Stock TT wheels are either 17x8.5 or
18x8.5. I wouldn't go any narrower. Even the N/A had an 8" wide
wheel.
Now, whether a wheel, of any diameter or width, will fit our cars
without interfering with something (strut, caliper, wheel well, etc.) is another
question entirely and usually cannot be answered with any common wheel
spec.
I would have to ask the same question as Mike does. Is a forged
wheel (such as the Volk or SSR) actually better able to withstand distortion do
to impacts with potholes or "bad roads"? I know when I bought my '92 TT the
factory cast aluminum wheels were terribly dented and "curb rashed" by the
previous owner. But then, he could not have cared less for this car.
I
would guess a forged wheel *might* handle impacts better than cast. On the other
hand, when wearing wheels that cost $600 a piece, most owners take greater care
to avoid road hazards. :)
The tire, specifically sidewall height, also
determines the vulnerability of a wheel to road hazards such as
potholes.
While on this topic, is there a web page that lists wheels
known to fit the various models of 3000GT/Stealth?
Jeff Lucius,
http://www.stealth316.com/- -----
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From: "Michael Baldwin" <
mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
To:
<
team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:28 PM
Subject: Team3S: Wheel
choices
Hi guys, I'm trying to decide between 2 sets of
wheels
Falken Torque 5
Volk GTC
The Volks are about $600 but I
have been hearing good things about them.
My question is when people say they
are "light strong wheels" 1) does this
mean that they are able to withstand
the rigors of city driving (potholes,
bad roads) better?
2) Also, the
specs of the wheels are 18x7.5 - would this fit our cars (I
have a 97
Vr4).
Thanks
Mike
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:12:58
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Wheel choices
My son and I use Volk TE-37 on the track.
They are cold forged aluminum, not cast, and have withstood several insults
without problem. However, I would not use them on the street with
Houston potholes and hidden curbs. Forged aluminum is stronger than cast
aluminum, which is why you can make them with less material.
The stock
wheels cost about the same brand new from the dealer.
Used stock wheels
are much cheaper.
Chuck Willis
I would have to ask the same
question as Mike does. Is a forged wheel (such as the Volk or SSR) actually
better able to withstand distortion do to impacts with potholes or "bad roads"?
I know when I bought my '92 TT the factory cast aluminum wheels were terribly
dented and "curb rashed" by the previous owner. But then, he could not have
cared less for this car.
I would guess a forged wheel *might* handle
impacts better than cast. On the other hand, when wearing wheels that cost $600
a piece, most owners take greater care to avoid road hazards. :)
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:17:30
-0500
From:
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.comSubject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel choices
Mike -- Wheels of this width are usually strong
enough only for 2,500 lbs
Hondas. "Light strong" means that they will not
bend if you do not hit a
pothole. If you do, they
will.
Philip
- -----------------------------
Hi guys, I'm
trying to decide between 2 sets of wheels
Falken Torque 5
Volk
GTC
The Volks are about $600 but I have been hearing good things about
them.
My question is when people say they are "light strong wheels" 1) does
this
mean that they are able to withstand the rigors of city driving
(potholes,
bad roads) better?
2) Also, the specs of the wheels are
18x7.5 - would this fit our cars (I
have a 97
Vr4).
Thanks
Mike
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:21:37
-0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Wheel choices
Jeff, look here:
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=139004
for a wheel list for the TT/VR4 models, although I don't know how accurate it
is.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff
Lucius
<<<While on this topic, is there a web page that lists
wheels known to fit the various models of 3000GT/Stealth?
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:26:39
-0500
From: "Greg Wurst" <
GWurst@miamisburg.k12.oh.us>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel choices
On a related note, there is a company on Ebay
selling Epic Scorpion
18"x8" chrome wheels that clear the calipers on the 2nd
gen turbo cars.
Would any of you have any opinions on these wheels for
regular street
use?
Greg
>>> <
pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com> 1/7/2004
3:17:30 PM >>>
Mike -- Wheels of this width are usually strong
enough only for 2,500
lbs
Hondas. "Light strong" means that they will not
bend if you do not hit
a
pothole. If you do, they
will.
Philip
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:57:16
-0500
From: "Greg Wurst" <
GWurst@miamisburg.k12.oh.us>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Wheel choices
I have created a chart with the stock wheels
and what models they will
fit at the following address:
http://web.miamisburg.k12.oh.us/3kgt/3swheels.htm
It's a work in progress, so anyone who can confirm the
unknown
configurations feel free to let me know. A big salute goes to
the
team3s wheel faq page for the pictures and basic wheel configurations.
I used the pictures from their site (copied to my server to avoid
using
their bandwidth) for the chart, but some of them don't blow-up
properly.
I credited the team3s website on the page, but if any team3s
admins
want me to remove the pictures just let me know and I'll try to
find
others, or people can send pictures to me to use on the chart.
Again, I
don't want to infringe on anyone's copyrights or anything like that.
Apologies for not asking permission first, but I just threw it up
there
in the last 5 minutes and it doesn't link from
anywhere.
Greg
>>>
While on this topic, is there a web
page that lists wheels known to fit
the various models of
3000GT/Stealth?
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:48:03
-0600
From: "Shane Thoms" <
sthoms@thomsclan.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...
No listing for a 95
VR4....
Try
www.rockauto.comThey have replacement
struts and other parts (new) at very low prices.
Parts
come
with
warrenties also!!
Mohammad
1995 3000GT base
-
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf Of
Kopsick Michael J Contr
WRALC/LTET
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:37 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: ECS suspension and struts...?
Is 3SX the only company
offering replacement struts for the 3000 other than
the dealer? I have
the ECS suspension option and is it worth keeping that
or should i just use
3SX's replacements and do away with it....Not wanting
to spend $2000 on
suspension, just want to repair what i have
failing...thanks for the
help...
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:45:07
-0600
From: "Shane Thoms" <
sthoms@thomsclan.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Pocket Logger (pre ODBII)
Anyone try the DSM Pocket Logger with a
1995 3000GT VR4?
The software looks sweet, but I am afraid it will not
work. ;-(
Thanks,
Shane
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:33
-0800 (PST)
From:
dark@non-corporeal.netSubject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Willis,
Charles E. wrote:
> let's start with the simple, cheap, and obvious
things without high technology logging and diagnosis.
>
> 1) did
they change the spark plugs when they did the 60K service? This is not
always done.
Yes, ik24 iridiums.
> 2) did they change the spark
plug wires when they did the 60K service?
Yes, factory wires.
>
3) have you ever run a can of injector cleaner through the car?
No, I
have used octane boosters (permatex) with the usual chemicals.
Nothing
specifically for injectors has been used.
>
> You described a
sudden decrease in gas mileage. Any other symptoms, like cutting out at
high speed WOT? Why did they say the turbos were bad? Do you have a
real boost gauge on the car?
Not really sudden. After the VV dodge got
hold of it, it started. Then
every couple months despite efforts, it has
gone down another 2 mpg or so.
No real boost gauge yet. I wanted to get
the car in good (known) working
order before I started taking it apart or
increasing the number of parts.
>
> How does the car
idle? smoothly and at the correct rpm?
Car idles at 750 or so,
about 1k when environmental controls are used. The
car idles smoothly, as
for correct rpm I would assume so (nothing
obvious).
Though this
morning it seemed to idle at 500 for awhile. This is recent
though.
>
> Have you checked for leaks in the intake
side? How does the vacuum tubing look?
For leaks, not
specifically.
All intake paths has been checked by Willie and I have
taken checks of the
vaccum tubing.
I still hold strong boost if that
helps. In this case however, since I
cannot state yes 100% then it must be a
no.
>
> The timing belt being off a tooth seems like a good
possibility too.
He has checked that, I think. A new belt was put on by
Willie and the car
is still the same. Currently my timing is full +5 (far as
it will go), 0
knock.
>
> Chuck Willis
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:30:33
-0800 (PST)
From:
dark@non-corporeal.netSubject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Roger
Gerl wrote:
> In 99% of the cases one or both O2 sensors are
shot.
I replaced both regardless of condition. No improvement. What are
the
chances they came bad from mitsu?
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:41:50
-0800 (PST)
From:
dark@non-corporeal.netSubject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel efficiency issues/migrane/hell
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Tyson
Varosyan wrote:
> Clogged cats are a possibility, but they don't clog
unless there is
> something very, very wrong with the combustion in the
first place. Get
> behind your car after you get back from driving it and
smell. Without
> sticking your nose in the tailpipe, you should not smell
much exhaust at all
> if any. There should also be no noticeable smoke
coming from the pipes. If
> you have ether, there is a combustion
problem.
A friend once said that my car smelled very gassy when starting
up. That
comment was one of the many things that keeps me worried about my
car.
> Don't give up, and stop taking your car to dealers. Learn to
work on it
> yourself! Get together with a local 3/S chapter in your area
(there are tons
> of em in Cali) and go to "tech days" or talk with group
about your issues.
> One expert looking at your car for 30 seconds can be
better than 30 experts
> on this board whom are unable to see and feel
your pain.
I don't have a big budget either, everytime I get ahead a
little,
something else needs attention that wasn't fixed the last time. This
is
not a sustainable pace.
The dealers will not touch it anymore. As
is, my dreams of VV Dodge are
short and loud. I am trying to learn, and I
have learned a great deal that
is not obvious to others. I however, still
have far too much to learn. I
should have skipped computers and crawled
under a car. I don't like to
bother this group or anyone about my issues,
but am runing out of options.
> One other thing that never hurts to do
is a compression test. It will test
> mechanical workings of the block and
reveal bent valves, burned pistons or
> broken rings. A tester should not
cost more than $30-40 and if you can
> unscrew a spark plug, you can do
the test youself.
The next time that hood is open, chances are I'll have
the damn thing
ripped apart and gone through with
tweezers.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:33:43
-0800
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Pocket Logger (pre ODBII)
I am 90% sure it will not work. 94-95
use a funky signal that is not
standard compliant so no datalogging is
avalible for it to my knowledge. You
can always email the pocketlogger guy
and I am sure he knows more about it.
Tyson Varosyan
Technical
Manager, Uptime Technical Solutions LLC.
tyson@up-times.comwww.up-times.com206-715-TECH
(8324)
UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Shane Thoms
Sent: Wednesday,
January 07, 2004 3:45 PM
Cc:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Pocket Logger (pre ODBII)
Anyone try the DSM Pocket
Logger with a 1995 3000GT VR4?
The software looks sweet, but I am afraid it
will not work. ;-(
Thanks,
Shane
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 03:02:50
+0000
From:
mjannusch@comcast.netSubject: Re:
Team3S: Pocket Logger (pre ODBII)
> Anyone try the DSM Pocket Logger
with a 1995 3000GT VR4?
> The software looks sweet, but I am afraid it
will not work. ;-(
Does not work at all... No connect, no
logging, nada.
Someone on 3si is working on a logger for the '94-95 cars,
but I haven't been keeping tabs on it as I now have an AEM ECU and have all the
logging I could dream of.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:05:49
-0600
From: "Jesse Rink" <
jrink@w3si.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Pocket Logger (pre ODBII)
Pocketlogger with NOT work with OBDI/II hybrids
like the 94/95 model year.
However, there is a datalogger being made now that
is already in testing
phase that will work with the 94/95 cars.
Here is where it will be
available soon:
http://automotive.miragecorp.com/Jesse
Rink
Eagle, WI
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From: "Shane
Thoms" <
sthoms@thomsclan.com>
To: "rfc822
Compliance issue To: added by system POTENTIAL SPAM"
<
jrink@w3si.org>
Cc: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: Team3S: Pocket Logger (pre
ODBII)
>
> Anyone try the DSM Pocket Logger with a 1995
3000GT VR4?
> The software looks sweet, but I am afraid it will not
work. ;-(
>
> Thanks,
> Shane
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:29:43
-0600
From: "Jesse Rink" <
jrink@w3si.org>
Subject: Team3S: PCV
valve?
How do you know if your PCV valve is operating correctly? I
am not
experiencing any of the problems most people seem to with a bad PCV
valve.
No smoke when running the car, no leaking oil from the oil cap,
etc.
Everything seemed fine and I didn't think there was any problem with my
PCV
valve until the other night when I was ripping things out of my engine,
and
took out my PCV valve. When I shake it, I hardly hear the plunger
moving
back and forth unless I shake it really hard. I was told
you should be
able to hear the plunger moving around a lot easier than
that. Is mine
possibly bad or shouldn't I worry?
Jesse
Rink
Eagle, WI
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