Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Monday, December 22
2003 Volume 02 : Number
327
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Date:
Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:23:42 -0800
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Where do the numbers in my pocketlogger come from?
When I am looking at
numbers like coolant temp, O2, air intake etc. Are
those what the sensors are
reading, or what the ECU is seeing? For instance,
if a wire from the coolant
temp sensor was damaged right on the ECU plug,
would I see it on my
pocketlogger? I am still banging my head on a number of
issues with my car
and I cannot seem to figure them out. Sensor readings I
am seeing on the
pocketlogger are within spec. I just want to make sure that
what I am seeing
on the pocketlogger is EXACTLY what the ECU is
seeing.
Thanks,
Tyson Varosyan
Technical Manager, Uptime
Technical Solutions LLC.
tyson@up-times.comwww.up-times.com206-715-TECH
(8324)
UpTime/OnTime/AnyTime
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:38:54
-0700
From: "Donald Ashby" <
dashbyiii@mho.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Where do the numbers in my pocketlogger come from?
They are
coming from the ECU, not the direct sensor voltage, so if the sensor doesn't
make it to the
ECU you won't see anything, even if the sensor is still
functioning properly.
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4 (RIP)
'92 3000GT
VR-4 (Vroom!)
"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"
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Original Message -----
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
To: "Team3S" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:23 AM
Subject: Team3S: Where do the numbers in my
pocketlogger come from?
When I am looking at numbers like coolant
temp, O2, air intake etc. Are
those what the sensors are reading, or what the
ECU is seeing? For instance,
if a wire from the coolant temp sensor was
damaged right on the ECU plug,
would I see it on my pocketlogger? I am still
banging my head on a number of
issues with my car and I cannot seem to figure
them out. Sensor readings I
am seeing on the pocketlogger are within spec. I
just want to make sure that
what I am seeing on the pocketlogger is EXACTLY
what the ECU is seeing.
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:55:28
-0500
From: Darren Schilberg <
dschilberg@spamcop.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Rim Recall
As promised, I'm following up on what I found when
I demounted my leaking winter
tire-to-97 SL wheel. The two tires that
were not leaking were the ones I previously
treated with silicone on the bead
so that solution definitely works. The two wheels
that were slowly
leaking did not have silicone on the beads as I had forgotten I wanted
to do
a head-to-head test of treated and untreated wheels.
So I took some extra
time and not only took off the flaking chrome from the bead area of
the wheel
but ALL the chrome covering on the bead area of the wheel so now it is
just
the bare metal. Then I added silicone to the bead and remounted
the tire. Two days
later that tire has lost 0 psi since filling it up -
aha - success.
However, over the last three weeks the two
previously-treated tires that lost 0 psi over
3 weeks suddenly hit a flaw and
one was flat yesterday when I left for work. Strange -
it had been just
fine the night before. I'm not sure why but I'll have to keep tabs
on
that one also.
So, although we know the rims have some flaws with
the chrome at the tire bead section
it can be overcome, corrected, treated,
and cured although I'm not sure if there is
anything we can get in return for
our troubles. Good luck and keep us posted.
-
-Flash!
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:35:13
-0600
From: Matt Costanza <
mcostanza@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Replacement speakers for 97 SL
My left front door speaker is
rattling bad. I am going to need to
replace the speaker and I'm interested
in learning of my options. I
would like to keep the Bose head unit and just
replace speakers. The
first story that I have been told (by the dealer no
less) is the Bose
system is very proprietary for speakers. In order to get
proper sound
balance from the Bose head unit, I need to replace the speakers
with the
stock speakers. These speakers have the cross-over unit
mounted on the
rear of each speaker and have a unique cross over
range.
So, I'm interested in learning if I do have options in
after-market
speakers or should I just order the stock speakers from the
dealer?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Regards,
- --
Matt
Costanza
Austin, Tx USA
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:33:40
-0700
From: "Jim Floyd" <
jim_floyd7@earthlink.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Timeline comparisons
> Some people are complaining on how long
the war on terrorism is
taking,
> but consider this:
>
> It
took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take
the
Branch
> Davidian compound. That was a 51-day
operation.
>
> It took less time to find Saddam's sons in Iraq than
it took Hillary
> Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing \
records.
>
> It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to
destroy
> the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy
Kennedy to call the
police
> after his Oldsmobile sunk at
Chappaquiddick.
>
> It took less time to take Iraq than it took to
count the votes in
Florida!
>
> Damn our military is GREAT
!.
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:41:28
-0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <
erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Replacement speakers for 97 SL
On the 1st and 2nd gen's the stock
head units are made by Infinity, not Bose
(pretty sure it's the same on the
3rd gen's too). Vehicles like a 300zx had
stock bose systems with each
speaker having it's own crossovers, and some
had individual amps on the backs
of each speaker(extremely proprietary
systems = $$$), but our 3/S stock
systems should be totally different. Any
crossovers for the door/dash
are taken care of by the amp under your
passenger seat - if you have the
premium system.
I have compiled a link/FAQ page for our stereo systems
here:
http://members.cox.net/erikpetterson/3SAudioFAQ/FAQ.html(look
under "How to Install Front & Rear Speakers")
There are still a lot
of links I have to add, but I think the stock system
is covered well enough
for you to figure out what to replace it with. A
common replacement
(with the 3si.org bunch) is the Infinity Reference
series, get the 6 3/4 size
as it will mount easier.
ALSO - This is definitely something you can do
yourself with little to no
previous knowledge. No need to pay dealer
fees. The step by step picture
instructions provided on Jeff's site
should be more than enough to get you
through it.
- -Erik
'94
R/T
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> So, I'm interested in
learning if I do have options in after-market
speakers
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:44:21
-0800 (PST)
From: WILLIAM POTTER <
wpotter@sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
Team3S: RE:Smoke when idling for a minute
One other
possibility.....excessive crankcase
pressure. This could be from
a bad PCV valve or
worse....blow-by in one of the cylinders. I had
the
same problem. Smoke off idle or when I coasted and
got back in
the throttle. My case (91 VR4)was a
cracked piston between the first
and second
compression rings. The blow-by pressurized the crank
case
causing a small amount of oil to be forced out
the breather tube...which is
connected to the air
intake, so it just sucked the oil back into the
engine
causing the smoke. This happened to me twice within
the first
year I owned the car (60k on the car at the
time). I found the problem
with a normal compression
test. Sometimes a leak down is needed
though....
The other suggestions that were posted are
also
possibilities. My case is the worst case scenario,
but wanted
to throw it out there.
- -Bill
91
VR4
<snip>
Ok guys I'm in stop and go traffic and if I
sit still
for any length of time
then accelerate my 94 3k sl puffs a cloud
of smoke
out. Going down the road
it is fine, no smoke.
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:19:53
-0600
From: "Jesse Rink" <
jrink@w3si.org>
Subject: Team3S:
driveshaft woes continued...
I'm pretty pissed off with this whole ordeal
and have no idea what else to
do or try. I'm getting so frustrated I'm
starting to think about just
selling the car.
I got rid of my stock
driveshaft back in September because it was causing
false engine knock due to
bad carrier bearings. I ordered a PST 1 piece
CFDS. After installing it, I
had mad vibration above 80 mph that I couldn't
get rid of. I returned the PST
1 piece CFDS and ordered up a PST 2 piece
CFDS. I've had nothing but problems
with the 2 piece unit. I get a constant
whirring wobble noise anytime the car
is moving, foward or reverse, which
seems to be coming from underneath the
car (even going as slow as <5mph). I
have tried taking the driveshaft off
and putting it back on again to no
avail using different combinations of
spacers and insulators on the carrier
mount assembly. I've NO IDEA what
to try. The car isn't even driveable
right now. The whirring wobble noise
just screams "somethings wrong - dont
drive me anymore".
I didn't have
THIS problem with the 1 piece CFDS, however I had vibration
problems which
posed a problem for me taking it on the road course this
April. With the 2
piece unit, road courses aren't even on the horizon
because I can't even take
it on the street.
I could send the 2 piece unit back, IF they'll even
refund my $ for it. But
then I'm still without a driveshaft. I could TRY to
go back to a 1 piece
CFDS, but that didn't work for me before. I can't go
back to the stock
driveshaft as I no longer have it (sold it), and there's no
way in hell I'm
buying a new DS from Mitsu for $1,600.
Does anyone
have any idea what can be causing this problem or have
any
recommendations?
Infuriated,
Jesse Rink
Eagle,
WI
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:47:56
-0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
driveshaft woes continued...
Jesse-
A whirring sound seems to me
like bad driveshaft bearings. Will PST take
the shaft back and put new
bearings in for you? I don't see why they
wouldn't if you complained
long enough and forwarded this entire Team3S
thread to them. Did you
ever try spraying parts of the driveline with a
thin lubricating oil such as
WD40 and see if the sound changes? This may
help you isolate the
problem if you haven't tried it yet.
Did the "different combinations of
spacers and washers" seem to change
anything? [make it louder, softer, change
the pitch?] Also, you shouldn't
rule out a driveline problem besides your
driveshaft [like the
tranny/transfer case/rear differential/wheel
bearings/axle bearings/brake
system]. I know it may seem like a stretch
since it would be an odd
coincidence to happen at the time that you're
changing shafts, but it's
possible.
For example, I replaced my stock
driveshaft with the 1-piece PST CFDS due to
excessive driveline play.
The play ended up coming from my rear
differential, so I'm out $1000 just
because of my hunch. Sure I have near
30 more hp now and I saved on
total weight too, but no one likes throwing
away hard-earned money just for
unintended benefits.
IMO, you should start the long search for a junkyard
stock driveshaft that's
in good condition. It would be a valuable tool
to you because then you
could test and make sure it's the driveshaft causing
the problem, and you
wouldn't be out of luck in the meantime. Either way, it
can't hurt to put to
a "want-to-buy" ad on 3Si and keep your eyes
peeled.
I personally have my old stock driveshaft and at least some of
the hardware
lying around here still. But I get the annoying and
unsettling vibration on
the highway with it so I'd like to hold on to it just
in case I go for a
track day or something. However, you know what they
say. For the right
price, anything is for sale. Feel free to make
me an offer, but realize
that you'll also have to pay shipping on a very
heavy piece of metal from
Sunnyvale, CA 94087.
Good
luck,
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:55:15
EST
From:
M3000GTSL84@aol.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: Replacement speakers for 97 SL
Matt-
Of COURSE the dealer
will say that, but it is, after all, a satin dealer.
The stock cones are
made out of paper, have small magnets to power the
sound, and
will go bad on you, as you no doubt have noticed.
I installed a pair of
Infinity kappa's 6 1/2's in my 97 SL doors, and the
sound is on a much
different level. Installation is simple-jeff lucas has a how
to, which came
in handy. I liked the sound so much that all my speakers have
been replaced
with kappas.
I believe I payed around 140 for my new pair, which im
willing to bet is the
same price or cheaper then replacement stock ones.
They sound better, will
never go bad like the stock ones do, and are easy to
install. If you need more
advise please ask- I have gone through this
problem.
Our headunits are Infinity-Nissan cars deal with
Bose.
Mike-
97 SL
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:00:03
EST
From:
M3000GTSL84@aol.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: Rim Recall
Flash-
My SL has had many problems. . .this is
just the latest. Instead of putting
yet more money and elbow grease into a
car that keeps breaking, I believe I
will look for a turbo. It is kind
of heart breaking. I fix one thing, then
another breaks. Instead of putting
money into making it faster and better overall,
I must concentrate on just
keeping it running.
By the way, do those big shiny 18' chrome wheels on
the VR-4 have this
problem?
Mike
97 SL
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:55:06
EST
From:
M3000GTSL84@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
Mitsu service website
Hey guys-
While browsing the Mitsu website,
I came across a Mitsu offical service site.
http://www.mitsubishitechinfo.com/epacarb/Subscription
for a day is 20 dollars. Listed on the site are service manuals,
recalls,
and other good stuff for all 3000GT years.
mike
97
SL
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:55:17
-0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Rim Recall
Its called "your car is getting
old".
Concentrate on the level of budget you think is acceptable..and buy
within
that range.
I dunno if buying a turbo car is any cheaper than
maintaining an SL.
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003
M3000GTSL84@aol.com wrote:
>
Flash-
>
> My SL has had many problems. . .this is just the latest.
Instead of putting
> yet more money and elbow grease into a car that
keeps breaking, I believe I
> will look for a turbo. It is kind of
heart breaking. I fix one thing, then
> another breaks. Instead of
putting money into making it faster and better overall,
> I must
concentrate on just keeping it running.
>
> By the way, do those
big shiny 18' chrome wheels on the VR-4 have this
> problem?
>
> Mike
> 97 SL
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:44:29
-0800
From: "MM2 Phillips, J" <
phillipsj@duluth.navy.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: Probably Burnt ECU
Saturday, I wad driving home from wendys (
about 80 in 4th gear ) when the
car ( 91 VR-4 ) died. I got white smoke
from the center dash, car would not
restart.... had to have a friend pull me
the last 3/4 of a mile up a hill to
my house.
I'm guessing it is the
ECU. does that sound about right...?
where can i get another one at a
decent price ( used / remanufactured / new
)...?
and is the AEM EMS really
worth the $1400 these places want for it...?
money isn't super tight, but
i also am not looking to break the bank. what
would you guys
recommend...?
thanks for your time...
- -ryan-
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