Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Thursday, December 18 2003  Volume 02 : Number 325




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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:57:12 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: squeeking after 2-piece cfds install

For one thing the spacers are different for the front and the rear carrier bearing,
that's why they tell you to pay attention when you remove them. I have no idea
what the requirements are for the 'new' driveshaft.

I would think it would take a serious misalignment to cause a new bearing to
squeak. I just replaced mine and the rubber isolation support had sagged about
1/2" or more. They did not squeak and the bearings were good.

The parts list looks correct.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Rink" <jrink@w3si.org>
To: <Team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:54 PM
Subject: Team3S: Re: squeeking after 2-piece cfds install


> Followup:
>
> I'm starting to think Mitsu did NOT give me enough spacers/insulators for
> the carrier mount.   This is what they gave me:
>
> (2) MB505283 (upper insulator)
> (2) MB505284 (lower insulator)
> (2) MB505658 (spacer)
> (2) MB445005 (locking nut)
>
> It seems like I'm missing something - what, I'm not sure...   when looking
> in the repair manual it seems like there should be MORE.  Again, this is
> only for ONE carrier mount..  but I still think I'm short on parts... which
> may be the reason I'm my CFDS 2-piece is making noise cause its not lined up
> correctly...  Just a thought, I could be off base here.  If anyone can tell
> me for sure WHICH parts #s I need and HOW MANY for a single carrier mount,
> that would really help.  OR if anyone has a STOCK DS laying around, that
> they could just look at it and tell me, that would be great, thanks.
>
> Jesse Rink
> Eagle, WI


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:08:19 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 ride height measurments and Tein Flex install experience

I  need to issue a correction. The dimension that I mentioned was supposed
to be 15.5" (not 25.5").

Philip

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>> I installed Tein Flex on my 97 VR4 today...
>
>Dan -- The stock ride height, AFAIK, is 15.5" from the fender lip to wheel
>center, all around.




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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:50:26 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt D" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: VR4 ride height measurments and Tein Flex install experience

Late reply..
I do recall 27 to 27 1/4 being stock on the front, not sure on rear.
It may be a tad lower with the GC's on my VR4, but its on jacks right
now
so I couldn't measure.

I think the NA is very close to TT in stock ride height. 
My NA is currently 26.5 front and 28.5 rear. I have 245/45-16 front (1
in lower
than stock) 255/50-16 on the rear (1/2 inch taller than stock).

The 26.5 in front is almost too low, especially with the back lifted.
I have to be quite careful about dips and speed bumps.
So for the street, your 27.0 seems a good height.

Due to variation in spring rate, shock differences, tire pressures, etc,
I would doubt that you could notice anything less than 3/8 inch
difference
in static ride height. Never hurts to try for perfection though.

Kurt  

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Dan Hyde
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:31 AM
To: Team3S@team3s.com
Subject: Team3S: VR4 ride height measurments and Tein Flex install
experience


I installed Tein Flex on my 97 VR4 today but before starting I measured
"ride height" with the idea that I should attempt to maintain the
"relative to stock" front to rear weight distribution. To my dismay, I
found variance in the measured height between front and rear and also
left to right.

Vehicle: 1997 VR4 93,082 miles( ~149,800  km)  Stock suspension original
equipment

Measurement environmental and method:
1. A level surface (my garage)
2. Equalized all tire pressure @ 35PSI (Enkie 18x9.5 RP01 45mm offset
w/Nitto NT 555 - 265/35 ZR18) 3. Using carpenter level to obtain
exacting vertical measurements from the floor surface through wheel
center and horizontal level measure to top of exterior fender opening
(i.e right angles)
Measured:
LR - 27 1/4" (69.22 cm)
RR - 27 1/2" (69.85 cm)
LF - 28 1/8" (71.44 cm)
RF - 28 3/8" (72.08 cm)

I was a bit surprised with the delta between front and rear measurements
since I never visually noticed that the rear was nearly 1" lower than
the front. I am curious if this 1 inch difference is usual and normal?.

Upon seeing differences between left and right measurements, I assumed
(rationalize) that this might be due to aging springs - sag?

The Tein Flex (part # DSR74-6USS1) can be height adjusted +/- 1.18" (+/-
30mm) as they come from the factory (what Tein calls the reference
setting). I chose to add (lengthen) by 1" for the initial adjustment to
mitigate risk of lowering too far and experience potential wheel
clearance troubles since I run wider tires and wheels than typical.  I
added 1" to the reference setting for both the front and rear
struts/shocks.

Post installation measurements:

LR - 27" (68.58 cm)
RR - 27 1/16" (68.74 cm)  <--I guess my quest for perfection eluded me
here somehow (I'll correct this later) LF - 26 7/8" (68.26 cm) RF - 26
7/8" (68.26 cm)

Notice that the ride height between front and rear now has less variance
- - for practical purposes lets call it even all the way around for this
discussion.

Now, the question... - is this a bad a good or a what situation?  From a
perspective of measurement and visuals, I would ordinarily be pleased
the I managed to get everything this close on the first shot but I
question the weight distribution change that has probably has occurred
verses the stock configuration.

Any words of wisdom or thoughts about all of this?

Some other observations/effects:
1. I will be getting camber checked within the next week or two - test
drive feels OK but alignment is *a must* with this change. 2. I was able
to eliminate the need for 5mm front wheel spacers I was using because of
my 9.5" wheels and 45mm offset setup - the Tein Flex at current the
current adjusted height gave me back sufficient clearance.(and I am very
very pleased with that result!) 3. No clearance problems noted thus far
- - I run over some rough roadways and did a little hard cornering. 4. The
Tein's are definitely more solid than my old worn out struts - kind of
shocking actually (the change is) but the more I drove the more I have
to say that the ride is not teeth jarring at all which is a description
I've read and used by others to describe ride quality. Incidentally he
Flex setting is at 8 (of 16) clicks front and rear. 5. I run Saner sways
front/rear.  I was getting an unusual clunk clunk clunk on very hard
left hand cornering which I discovered (just today) was happening when
the stock suspension was becoming fully unloaded/extended during that
kind of cornering event.  The clunk noise was caused by the very slight
a contact between the Left Saner sway bar link bolt head and the left
rear wheel axle flange bolt heads.  Because of the Tein change in
geometry, this problem is now gone (halleluiah! - that old mystery is
explained and finally solved).

I still have the EDFC install remaining to do. A job that will get done
during the holidays.

Dan
Pearl White 1997 VR4
K&N; FlowMaster Catback;
Saner Performance Sway Bars (Front/Rear);
TEC Strut Tower bars (Front/Rear);
3SX Adjustable Rear Control Arms;
3SX Stainless-Steel Braided Brake Lines;
K40 Radar; Enkie 18x9.5 RP01 w/Nitto NT 555 - 265/35 ZR18;
Tein Flex/EDFC; (EDFC to install)
3SX TT Downpipe + RT ULTRA Cat Combo (to install);
RPS Carbon-Carbon Clutch (to install)




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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:10:52 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: squeeking after 2-piece cfds install

Jesse-

I do have a stock DS lying around after dropping in my PST 1-piece.
However, my hardware is all over the place in random bags.  If it'll help,
then I can try to take some pics of what I have. I think I have a rubber
insulator sitting lonely on my shelf and around half of my insulators might
still be on the driveshaft. I can take a pic of it but it'll take me awhile
since I need to find someone with a digicam.

Here's what I think though.  When troubleshooting suspension and driveline
problems, there's nothing safer IMO than using your hands.  Get under the
car and trying pushing up on the shaft.  See if it's preloaded upwards or
downwards.  If it is, then try to find something lying around that you can
use to shim the insulators with such as a washer or two.  My disclaimer: be
careful! this is a temporary thing. If you manage to fix the problem with
stuff that's lying around in your garage, don't trust it until you
permanently fix the problem. Also realize that what you ordered might not
actually be what you got. Jim mentioned that there are variants of the
mounting hardware, and maybe the person who filled/packed your order
referenced the wrong part number or threw in the hardware for the wrong
section of the DS.

Another option: An automotive probe stethescope would be a valuable tool in
determining *exactly* where the sound is coming from.  Jackstands for all 4
corners to lift the car is doable but cumbersome. I'd recommend borrowing a
shop lift if you're going to spin all 4's in the air and you want to do it
quickly + safely. Also, don't do that for long since it's bad for the
drivetrain according to the warning labels and FSM. You may want to spray
some thin oil at the place where you suspect that the sound is coming from,
and see if the sound changes at all.  If I remember correctly, the DS
bearings are 100% sealed and the thin oil won't make a difference unless the
bearing seal(s) are shot.

Finally, what is the history of that center bearing--where has it been?  If
it is used then you might have just fried the carrier bearing and it's not
showing its age until now.  If it is new then it could be faulty from the
factory and you should find your receipt in case you need to ask for a
replacement.  I hope this info gets you somewhere Jesse.  I'm located in the
SF Bay Area so if you're anywhere near me then let me know.

Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
1-piece CFDS = vibration
2 or more piece CFDS = PITA  =)



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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:10:30 -0600
From: <jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com>
Subject: Team3S: interior lights

Interesting problem, the red lights in the doors come on when I open the
door but none of the interior lights do.  I thought there was only one
switch for all the lights.  Am I missing a door switch or is there a relay
problem?

Jim W
92 3000GT SL
94 Stealth RT TT


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:53:30 -0500
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Subject: Team3S: Good datalogging cables on ebay

Is there any datalogging available for the 2nd gen cars ?  Mainly I am looking for something for my 1997 VR-4.  I can easily make
any cable myself that is not a problem.

Appreciate the help. Thanks
Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:24:37 -0800
From: "Guy, Michael (CS)" <michael.guy@ngc.com>
Subject: Team3S: SOHC Block questions

I recently purchased a SOHC block from a guy off 3si for $150. Said the
motor had 118k miles on it, and came with everything(alternator,power
steering pump, AC compressor) except the upper intake phlenum. I also got a
DOHC throttle body from him aswell, with full intentions of putting that on
the motor,(complete with IAC, and the other goodies that go along with it.)

Here is my question.

Will VR4/TT forged pistons fit in the block? I have full intentions of
rebuilding the motor, but I was curious about this, since they really don't
make aftermarket pistons for the SOHC. I plan on getting the block bored out
just slightly for that added umph.

I've already done the math, and I really cannot afford to upgrade to a twin
turbo 3S. The insurance would just kill me outright, so I decided to build a
decently quick SOHC motor to propel my car, so this is my other option.

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:32:03 +0000
From: mjannusch@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: SOHC Block questions

> Will VR4/TT forged pistons fit in the block? I have
> full intentions of rebuilding the motor, but I was
> curious about this, since they really don't make
> aftermarket pistons for the SOHC. I plan on getting
> the block bored out just slightly for that added umph.

They will fit the block, but TT pistons will drop your compression down to 8.0:1, which you obviously do not want on a naturally aspirated motor.  You may also have problems with the valve reliefs being in the wrong spots on the pistons.  Using the DOHC NA pistons would certainly have valve clearance issues with SOHC heads.

If you want to bore, then get the largest sized stock SOHC pistons that you can order from Mitsubishi and use those.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:03:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: SOHC Block questions

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 mjannusch@comcast.net wrote:

> > Will VR4/TT forged pistons fit in the block? I have
> > full intentions of rebuilding the motor, but I was
> > curious about this, since they really don't make
> > aftermarket pistons for the SOHC. I plan on getting
> > the block bored out just slightly for that added umph.
>
> They will fit the block, but TT pistons will drop your compression down to 8.0:1, which you obviously do not want on a naturally aspirated motor.  You may also have problems with the valve reliefs being in the wrong spots on the pistons.  Using the DOHC NA pistons would certainly have valve clearance issues with SOHC heads.
>
> If you want to bore, then get the largest sized stock SOHC pistons that you can order from Mitsubishi and use those.
- ---
I would change this if you -need- to bore.  Boring on small motors is a
_really_ expensive way to gain marginal if any real HP
 
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:27:07 +0000
From: mjannusch@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: SOHC Block questions

> I would change this if you -need- to bore.  Boring on
> small motors is a _really_ expensive way to gain
> marginal if any real HP

True.  Certainly gains would be a lot higher from forced induction or other means than by boring up to 93mm, which appears to be the maximum practical limit.  My block is bored to 93mm, and I'd say if I needed to bore/hone again I'd trash the block and get a new one to start from.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:30:07 +0000
From: mjannusch@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Subject: Team3S: Good datalogging cables on ebay

> Is there any datalogging available for the 2nd gen
> cars ?  Mainly I am looking for something for my
> 1997 VR-4.

Any OBD-2 scan tool software/cable will work on '96 and later cars.  On the underside of your hood on one of the metal plates it'll say something along the lines of "OBD-II compliant" if your car is a loggable 2nd Gen.

You won't be able to log the oft-talked-about "knock sum" though, as the ECU doesn't supply it to the interface.  You'll be able to log just about anything else though.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:31:39 -0500
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: scantool kits

Hey they guy that has those datacables on ebay gave me a link to  really cool scantool kits. 

I don't know that much about the whole idea, I have to peruse the archives tomorrow, off to Lord Of The Rings right now.

But in case anyone wants to check them out, here is the link:
http://www.scantool.net/

- --------------------

Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:53:19 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: 25-hour Enduro Race at Thunderhill - Photos Updated...

I still haven't finished writing a complete Race Report for the Team3S
website, since I spent all of last week down with flu...  But I've just
updated the page with my photographs of our participation at the 25 Hours of
Thunderhill - "the longest and most demanding endurance race on the planet"!

www.Team3S.com/Enduro2003/25hourPix.htm

Thanks go out one more time to our absolutely *amazing*
"Team3S NASA BBQ Crew" - and our car #33!  ;-)

The Drivers:  Ed Gaven, Eileen Thomas ("E.T."), Erick Van Waganen, Jeff
Mohler, Steve Romine, and Tommy Lo.

The Pit Crew:  Anissa Mohler, Ann Koch, Bill Ashurst, Bob Forrest, Bonni
Weatherwax, George Morrill, Jim Bucha, Linda Romine, Mario Lento, Ron
Bertolone, and Vern Roberts.

The Mascots:  Katie Mohler and Victor Romine.

And special thanks to our $ponsors and $upporters:
www.Reno-FernleyRaceway.com, www.SFClubs.com, www.SpeedToys.com, Philip
Glazatov, Kurt Zobel, and Jesse Rink, and, of course, E.T.'s "The Next Level"
driving school, linked at www.GoneRacing.com...;  to Albert Butterfield, Mike
Brunelle, Donna Harris and Vicman Ng (who did most of the work on our car #33)
from the Metric Motorsports Team (1st Place the 25-hour Enduro E3 class) for
their assistance at the track and the use of their trailer, to Donny Edwards
of the Factory Five Racing West Team, to Dave Brown of the No Hurry Racing
Team (2nd Place the 25-hour Enduro E2 class), to NASA NorCal Director Jerry
Kunzman, and to SO many other friends who helped us along the way...

Thanks to all who contributed to this effort - for your assistance, for your
dedication, and most of all..., thank you for your friendship!

Best,

Bob Forrest

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:49:20 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: interior lights

> Interesting problem, the red lights in the doors come
> on when I open the door but none of the interior
> lights do.  I thought there was only one
> switch for all the lights.  Am I missing a door
> switch or is there a relay problem?
>
> Jim W
> 92 3000GT SL
> 94 Stealth RT TT


Hi Jim,
The door light is controlled by the door switch(es).  The dome light and some of the interior lighting is controlled by the ETACS unit, which monitors the door switch.  The 2nd gen cars have 2 switches in one unit for the door switch - one is for the door light, and one is for the ETACS unit.  I don't remember for sure if the 1st gen units have 2 switches per door or 1, but I think the 1st gen cars have only one switch per door.  Perhaps you have a problem with the ETACS unit, assuming that you have turned to dome light to the "door" position.

- --Erik
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:47:59 -0500
From: Darren Schilberg <dschilberg@spamcop.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: interior lights

Don't forget to spray the "door open" button with some WD-40 so that it will tell the
lights that the door is open.  Sometimes you need to take off the cover plate and make
sure the switch operates with no fuss.  This also has issues if you open a door and
throw in your coat and then close the door but the car never realized the door was
opened - and it locks your coat inside with your keys.  Don't ask me how I know that.

- --Flash!


"Jim W" scribbled this in electronic crayon:

> > Interesting problem, the red lights in the doors come
> > on when I open the door but none of the interior
> > lights do.  I thought there was only one
> > switch for all the lights.  Am I missing a door
> > switch or is there a relay problem?

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:03:33 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt D" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: 25-hour Enduro Race at Thunderhill - Photos Updated...

Yeah, congrats to all of you, great job.
 
"Severe Endurance Racing"  OK, but 2004 will demand "Extreme Endurance
Racing"
..and if on the planet includes Ozzieland, well maybe Bathurst has you
beat,
but only by a smidgeon. Yeah, I know its only a measly 24 hr race, but
still..

Kurt 

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-3sracers@speedtoys.com [mailto:owner-3sracers@speedtoys.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Forrest
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:53 PM
To: Team3S@Team3S.com
Cc: Team3S Racers
Subject: 3S-Racers: 25-hour Enduro Race at Thunderhill - Photos
Updated...


I still haven't finished writing a complete Race Report for the Team3S
website, since I spent all of last week down with flu...  But I've just
updated the page with my photographs of our participation at the 25
Hours of Thunderhill - "the longest and most demanding endurance race on
the planet"!

www.Team3S.com/Enduro2003/25hourPix.htm

Thanks go out one more time to our absolutely *amazing*
"Team3S NASA BBQ Crew" - and our car #33!  ;-)

The Drivers:  Ed Gaven, Eileen Thomas ("E.T."), Erick Van Waganen, Jeff
Mohler, Steve Romine, and Tommy Lo.

The Pit Crew:  Anissa Mohler, Ann Koch, Bill Ashurst, Bob Forrest, Bonni
Weatherwax, George Morrill, Jim Bucha, Linda Romine, Mario Lento, Ron
Bertolone, and Vern Roberts.

The Mascots:  Katie Mohler and Victor Romine.

And special thanks to our $ponsors and $upporters:
www.Reno-FernleyRaceway.com, www.SFClubs.com, www.SpeedToys.com, Philip
Glazatov, Kurt Zobel, and Jesse Rink, and, of course, E.T.'s "The Next
Level" driving school, linked at www.GoneRacing.com...;  to Albert
Butterfield, Mike Brunelle, Donna Harris and Vicman Ng (who did most of
the work on our car #33) from the Metric Motorsports Team (1st Place the
25-hour Enduro E3 class) for their assistance at the track and the use
of their trailer, to Donny Edwards of the Factory Five Racing West Team,
to Dave Brown of the No Hurry Racing Team (2nd Place the 25-hour Enduro
E2 class), to NASA NorCal Director Jerry Kunzman, and to SO many other
friends who helped us along the way...

Thanks to all who contributed to this effort - for your assistance, for
your dedication, and most of all..., thank you for your friendship!

Best,

Bob Forrest

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:40:41 -0600
From: "Dan Hyde" <danielhyde@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 ride height measurments and Tein Flex install experience

Based on information flow (thus far) concerning  ride height, it strikes me
that the factory designed "stance" for the 3000GT  is to be somewhat higher
in the rear (between 1"-2").

Would this have been done to create a front to rear weight distribution that
possibly should be maintained when one lowers the vehicle?

The effect of suspension height on weight distribution is fundamentally what
I'm interested to try and figure out.  I am now essentially level front to
rear. I don't road race and I've not had a chance to go to my favorite
abandoned lot to test the effects of this recent suspension change (for
oversteer, understeer behaviors). I will test eventually so I don't "find
out" the hard way during some unplanned day-to-day driving event.
Yesterday, I did romp on her pretty hard from a stop while turning to scoot
ahead of some oncoming traffic and found myself a bit sideways for a spell -
mostly oversteer with all 4's pawing. This has happened before but
infrequently on good and dry roads.

Dan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zobel, Kurt D" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
<snip>
I do recall 27 to 27 1/4 being stock on the front, not sure on rear.
It may be a tad lower with the GC's on my VR4, but its on jacks right
now
so I couldn't measure.

I think the NA is very close to TT in stock ride height.
My NA is currently 26.5 front and 28.5 rear. I have 245/45-16 front (1
in lower
than stock) 255/50-16 on the rear (1/2 inch taller than stock).

<snip>
From:  Dan Hyde
I installed Tein Flex on my 97 VR4 today but before starting I measured
"ride height" with the idea that I should attempt to maintain the
"relative to stock" front to rear weight distribution. To my dismay, I
found variance in the measured height between front and rear and also
left to right.
<snip>
Measured:
LR - 27 1/4" (69.22 cm)
RR - 27 1/2" (69.85 cm)
LF - 28 1/8" (71.44 cm)
RF - 28 3/8" (72.08 cm)

I was a bit surprised with the delta between front and rear measurements
<snip>

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:26:00 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: interior lights

Yep, same problem with my passenger door.  Door opens and red light comes
on, but when I jiggle the door jam switch then the dome lights will come on
too.

I guess you can jiggle/pull on that door jam switch and see if they come on,
if so it might be dirty, if not then it might be the aforementioned ETACS
unit.

- -Erik
'94 R/T

- ----- Original Message -----

> I thought there was only one
> switch for all the lights.

> The 2nd gen cars have 2 switches in one unit for the door switch - one is
for the door light, and one is for the ETACS unit.


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:18:12 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <philip@supercar-engineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: VR4 ride height measurments and Tein Flex install experience

The effect of ride height on static front/rear weight distribution is
negligible. The car does not tip forward or backward enough to move the
C.G. any closer to either end by any significant measure.

The lower the car the lower the dynamic longitudinal weight transfer is and
the better the handling becomes. The even greater effect comes from the
reduced lateral weight transfer. In both cases, the lower - the better. The
only aspect that suffers a little is braking because on lower cars the
front wheels do not get as much dynamic weight transfer and they lock up a
little too early.

That said, I try to lower the car approximately the same amount front and
rear. That has more to do with the suspension geometry, camber changes,
underbody aerodynamics, ets. On our cars the best way, I figured so far, is
to keep the car level.

Philip
http://supercar-engineering.com

At 12:40 AM 12/18/2003, Dan Hyde wrote:
>The effect of suspension height on weight distribution is fundamentally what
>I'm interested to try and figure out.

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:25:32 EST
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Rim Recall/    3/S gathering

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2 questions. . .

1-Is there an east coast 3/S meeting? if so where?

2- If anyone has had any problems with there 97-98 style rims please let me
know off list. If enough of us bitch, Mitsu might just do something about it.
Chrome SL or even Chrome VR-4 rims. I must now put air in the tires every week
because they now leak so badly.

thank you-

Mike
97 SL

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:36:32 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <philip@supercar-engineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rim Recall/    3/S gathering

What you can do is take your rims to a tire shop, ask them to dismount the
tires and remove all the flaking chrome from the tire bead seats. The
flaking chrome could be removed with a rust stripping disk from a hardware
store. It looks like a very coarse spounge with sand imbedded into it and
it is inserted into an electric hand-held drill. I have a Norton Rapid
Strip, item #01220, for $4.80 from Home Depot but similar stripping disks
would work just as well. It only takes about 5 minutes per tire (plus $25
to dismount/mount, eh).

Philip
http://supercar-engineering.com


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:26:18 +1100
From: "Joel Singh" <joelsingh@primus.com.au>
Subject: Team3S: ECU wiring diagram

I'm looking for a wiring diagram of the ECU, where can I find it.
Or if someones got it can they email to me please.
Also is the ECU failing problem common. What would have caused it to burn
out.
Don't want to put a new one in, and burning that as well. all I did  was
start the car, it stalled right away, then started to smoke from behind the
dash, it smelt real bad.
I removed the ECU to see it was burnt, the cap had poped.
Any response would be appreciated. Anyway thinking of putting in a motec
stand alone system. anyone fitted one before..

Joel.
92 GTO VR4

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:22:05 -0000
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: interior lights

%%%%%
Yep, same problem with my passenger door.  Door opens and red light comes
on, but when I jiggle the door jam switch then the dome lights will come on
too.
%%%%%

And I have the opposite problem on the driver's side... the dome light comes
on but not the red door light, unless I wiggle the switch.  :-)  I'll try
the WD-40 idea, thanks.

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mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com

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