Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Sunday, December 14
2003 Volume 02 : Number
322
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Date:
Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:09:31 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
3S-Racers: RE: Team3S: Brakes that lasted Thunderhill 25hr
From: "Jim
Matthews" <
jim@the-matthews.com>
>
Bob,
> It's clear that we're looking at this from different
perspectives. Your
point is that "Brakes are no substitute for
learning." Agreed, though I
maintain that better brakes increase the
safety margin; self control, not
mechanical failure, should be the limiting
factor. The point I was making was
that faster laps times can be
achieved by slowing down more effectively, hence
the relevance of better
brakes in the context of the original topic: that BMW
may well not have won
without the StopTech upgrade!
> Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
>
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
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[I'm copying this to the Team3S Main List,
since it has to do with the tech
topic of brake upgrades...]
Hey,
Jim,
Faster lap times CAN be achieved by slowing down more
effectively. But the
two StopTech-equipped BMWs were among the
*slowest* cars in both fields that
they ran - E0 Class and E2 Class.
The numbers tell the tale...
Sponsorship is an important tool for the
race team, since it allows you to
afford the parts you couldn't
otherwise. And if you do well, the sponsor can
claim that it was
because of their product. That StopTech-equipped 328is won
in the E0
Class because it completed more laps - because there were fewer
mechanical
failures and pit time than the other cars. It had nothing to do
with
having StopTechs - it had to do with the 4 other FASTER cars in that
class
failing to complete as many laps as they did! (The Arizona Mafia M3
was
one second faster per lap, and *both* the Silicon Valley 328 and the NN
Racing
Civic Si were THREE seconds faster - PER lap!) But that's what
an Enduro is
about - outlasting your opponent, and once you win, you can
claim anything you
want about why you won (whether it's true or not).
You certainly didn't see
StopTech bragging that the OTHER Bullet Motorsports
328 that ran with their
brakes in our E2 class was TWO seconds slower than
our Team3S car - PER LAP!
On our stock brakes! But all that counts is
that they finished in 11th place,
ahead of our 13th place, since we had more
pit time (due to our inexperience).
We didn't have to change our brakes,
either! Having good brakes is important,
as is every other system in
every car. But if having StopTechs made their
cars faster than *anyone*
in those classes, then the numbers would show it.
The numbers show the
opposite - their entry in the E0 class was the 5th
fastest car (out of 8
cars!?!), and their entry in our E2 class was the
15th(!) fastest car.
(In comparison, Team3S was 9th fastest). So much for
the "superiority"
of StopTech brakes in cutting down lap times... Official
transponder
fastest lap times for the 8 cars in E0 Class are below. Read 'em
and
weep.
Ah..., the power of advertising... (sigh) :-)
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--Forrest
100 8 56 Bullet Motorsports BMW
328is 560 2:07.057 543 1 E0
90 10 16
Arizona Mafia BMW M3 554 2:06.476 470 2 E0
85
22 79 Silicon Valley Racing BMW 328 520 2:03.816 513 3
E0
80 40 88 NN Racing Civic Si 468
2:04.082 444 4 E0
75 44 96 RennWerks BMW
M3 461 2:32.775 308 5 E0
70 45 27
Factory Five Racing 1 FFRCobra 454 2:06.554 411 6
E0
69 58 99 Toyo Endless 5 Zigen Civic 257
2:07.543 247 7 E0
68 72 28 Factory Five West 2
FFRCobra 23 2:26.721 23 8 E0
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:56:38
-0800
From: "Grd4Spd Racing" <
grd4spdracing@cox.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Brakes that lasted Thunderhill 25hr
brake/speed/time
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JPM "Da Bloke with Da Coke" told me that the less you brake the
faster
you....im not sure (as JPM and i were REALLY coked up at the time) but
i
recall it having something to do with physics, time, motion,
quarks,
blackholes, probably some type of brilliant english engineering,
HillaryC
and how many jelly beans are in a 32oz mayo
jar.
regards,
terry
"If it doesn't make you go fast, we
don't sell it"
Grd4Spd Racing -
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:03:05
-0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Redline MT-90 in the rear differential
A shop that I took my car to
filled it up with MTL in trans+transfer case
and MT-90 in the rear
differential. I told them it was the wrong stuff in
the diff, so they
said they wouldn't charge me for the differential portion
of the
service. So... now what? I have a barrel of standard (not
redline)
GL-5 which I could just put in there by myself. Or I could go
buy some
redline GL-5. Can I just leave it in there for awhile, or
would that cause
rapid wear? I'm going to the mountains to ski within a
week or two, So I'm
slightly concerned that mixing cold weather and a thick
transmission oil
(where a GL-5 gear oil is specified) is not a good
thing. Well, of course
it's not a good thing. But should I change
the oil _tomorrow_? Or more like
in a thousand miles or so, when I'll be
underneath my car to change my
engine oil anyway.
Riyan Mynuddin
93
stealth tt
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:59:10
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brakes that lasted Thunderhill 25hr
The old racers adage is "don't brake,
it only slows you down" has some validity
depending on the type of car you
drive and the track. If you're running a 100 hp in
a 3000 pound car keeping
your speed up is critical since it could take 10+ seconds
to get back up to
speed --- or in the case of NASCAR at a restrictor plate event at
least a lap
to get back up to speed. A F1 car on the other hand can accelerate at
rates
that allow more aggressive braking.
I was reading in one of the
driving books that showroom stock requires maintaining
higher speeds into the
corner --- near constant cornering speeds. They lack brakes
and acceleration
so any speed removed can cause brake problems and
acceleration
problems.
Jim Berry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Grd4Spd Racing" <
grd4spdracing@cox.net>
To: <
Team3S@team3s.com>
Sent: Saturday,
December 13, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brakes that lasted Thunderhill
25hr
> brake/speed/time -
>
> JPM "Da Bloke with Da
Coke" told me that the less you brake the faster
> you....im not sure (as
JPM and i were REALLY coked up at the time) but i
> recall it having
something to do with physics, time, motion, quarks,
> blackholes, probably
some type of brilliant english engineering, HillaryC
> and how many jelly
beans are in a 32oz mayo jar.
>
> regards,
> terry
>
>
> "If it doesn't make you go fast, we don't sell it"
>
Grd4Spd Racing -
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:25:07
-0700
From: "Paul Rupp" <
3000GT-VR4@acorp.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Daily Driver Brakes
Hi All,
On a very different note from
all the upgraded track brakes, I just need to
replace the pads on my daily
driver. I never do any track racing, and don't
even race it in town,
though I do enjoy getting up to speed and cutting
through
traffic!
Mitu wants $190 to replace the pads and machine the
rotors. Is there any
reason why I should take it to them over someone
who is half that price and
specializes in brakes?
Thanks!
- -
Paul
Albuquerque, New Mexico
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR/4
150K
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:17:48
-0600
From: "
merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Need tow vehicle
I need a tow vehicle for my 94 VR4.
Car and
trailer are probably pushing 5,000 lb.
Pickup trucks and yuppie station
wagons (SUVs) are not an option. The wife
refuses to have one in the
driveway.
Whaddaya think of these?
94 Impala SS
Mid-90s BMW 7
Series
84 Olds 88 with big block motor and built tranny
Anything
else? Gotta be cool.
Rich/slow old poop
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