Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Friday, December 5
2003 Volume 02 : Number 315
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:08:56 -0500
Subject: Team3S: Hoses
Bizarre question for the list, but a question nonetheless. I have a
friend
over in airframes who's afforded me the opportunity to get steel
braided
lines for my entire car. If there's a hose he can get me a steel braided
one
to replace it. Now my question is what are the sizes and lengths of all
the
hoses in a N/A version of our cars? Or where could I find a listing of
all
the diameters and lengths for these hoses? Thankx everyone.
Tom
96' 3000gt N/A
79' Mustang
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:51:29 -0600
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hoses
Ahhh.... there are so many to even start thinking about.... the
only
way to do it would be to pull off one or two at a time... the
important
ones (At least in my drag-prepped talon) were the fuel supply and
return
lines in which I replaced the factory (small) with -8an supply and
-6an
return... Other than that, you are on your own (and -8an is
overkill
for a non turbo car)..
- -Cody
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:03:39 +0100
Subject: Re: Team3S: Brake kit pictures
Erik, please forward this to Todd too :
Thanks for the sales information from Todd and please let me comment some
stuff here.
I understand "something" about brakes and how to brake with different cars.
I installed some Mov-it, ap, wilwood, Brembo, Porsche and others on
different cars and design brackets on CAD by myself. Also I'm in contact
with the government for stress testing and so on.
I again read the "washers" thing !!! "The bracket can simply fit say
12-13.5" rotors depending upon the spacers used". This is the biggest no-no
in brake design and everybody who does this on his car sets himself and
others into huge danger. It is necessary to sell brackets with different
sizes that fully fit the caliper/rotor design and not an universal bracket.
Is it worth saving some $$ and risk someone's life ?
All I read out of the information is that the kit is good for the
lightweight Eclipses. Of course it will also fit the NA's although this car
is more heavy than the 4bangers. With larger rotors, the untouched area of
the rotors of course increase. With a 13" rotors the untouched area is
about 0.5 Inches ! I do have such a rotor in my shop and I tell you it is
heavy like hell becausei tuses the same small hat as the smaller dia ones,
like Todd explains. But this is not what should be a target. For them the
larger hat should be used as this makes the whole rotor more light and
therefore reduces the unsprung weight. This is important for people who run
heavier cars like the 3S and even the VR4.
After reading all that stuff I can say that the kit is good with the 12.2"
rotors and can be used on the NA's. It should work fine as an NA user will
probably not go to the circle tracks anyway. It will increase bracking
power for sure. But don't go larger unless a one piece bracket for larger
rotors is made and the unsprung weight reduced. For the 3S turbo cars the
4-pot kit is not an option. The 6-pot is fine and can be used with the
smaller rotors too but this will not give you the best braking power. 12.6"
is good up to 13". But then try to get a rotor with a larger hub where the
small wilwood brake pads will have a better fit. The pad area should be 1
mm at the outside of the rotor and around 7mm on the inside.
Keeping these factors in mind when drawing a kit will result in the best
available braking kit with all the necessary problem areas covered on a
reasonable price. A well designed kit with cheap parts like the wilwood
caliper, three different sized brackets and three different sized rotors
should cover all needs and will only cost a $100 more due to the right
fitting. I'd pay that 100$ instead of installing washers...
Roger G.
93 & 96 3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:50:49 -0600
Subject: RE: Team3S: Brake kit pictures
Quick note - Eclipse / DSM's aren't exactly light..... My AWD weighs
150
lbs. MORE than my non-turbo 3000GT.... granted I have done some
lightening mods to the 3000, it would have been almost identical
weights
without...
- -Cody
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