Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Thursday, November 27 2003  Volume 02 : Number 310
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:15:39 -0600
 
From: "William J. Crabtree" <wjcrabtree@earthlink.net>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: Team3S Power Steering Leak
 
 
 
Best way I've found to get at ALL of the power steering stuff is to pull the
 
motor.
 
 
 
But if that's not feasible, Try putting the car high enough up on jack
 
stands that the underside of the car is at about chest level when you're
 
sitting on the floor.  Once you have that accomplished, remove the driver's
 
side wheel and all of the plastic covers behind it.  Now you should be able
 
to reach up into that space behind the motor where all of the P.S. stuff
 
lives.  Don't plan on actually seeing what you're doing in there, you're
 
pretty much going to be working by "feel".
 
 
 
- -Jeff Crabtree
 
        '91 R/T TT (3SI#0499)
 
                2K Jeep TJ Sport
 
                        St. Louis, MO
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:00:04 -0500
 
From: Kraig Delaney <krgdelny@optonline.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: Do they make an aftermarket Headers
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
 
 
  Well we need to get a new exhaust. We got the ATR downpipe already but
 
we need to find out if there any company to make aftermarket headers for
 
a 1991 3000GT VR4. Does anyone have any experience with this?
 
 
 
Kraig
 
1991 3000GT VR4
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:15:37 +0100
 
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Do they make an aftermarket Headers
 
 
 
Nothing that really works. Only necessary if also another turbine housing is
 
used and therefore the flange doesn't fit. Do something against the
 
restrictive pre-cats and the O2 sensor housings. Only seperated paths for
 
the wastegate and turbine outlets work the best.
 
 
 
Roger G.
 
93 & 96 3000GT TT
 
www.rtec.ch
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:45:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
 
From: Jim Floyd <jim_floyd7@earthlink.net>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Do they make an aftermarket Headers
 
 
 
I have DN Performance on my car. They are made to go with the ATR down pipe.
 
Dynamic Racing carries them. 505-439-1125 ask for Matt.
 
www.dynamicracing.com
 
 
 
Jim Floyd
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:54:16 -0600
 
From: "Dan Hyde" <danielhyde@comcast.net>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: NORCO Comes through.
 
 
 
Eric
 
 
 
I first suspected that the Saner's link pin bolts were somehow contacting
 
the axle flange bolt heads also.  Would seem that could make that clunk
 
sound and at that frequency. However, I have not found evidence of that
 
happening. Several months ago I took digital pics with the purpose to show
 
this team that the clearance is very very close (still have these but never
 
posted em).  I also had to use a narrow spacer and different length link pin
 
bolt to gain clearance.  One also must force the bar as far forward (toward
 
the front of car) as possible before tightening down bolts - a two person
 
job. The Saner rear sway bar is a contrary install but well worth the
 
effort.
 
 
 
I think I'll crawl back under there and look again for something more
 
subtle - such as the "tiny mark on the say bar" you mentioned.  This is a
 
puzzler.  I never had this clunking noise before the Saner install but that
 
could be attributable to my never pushing side load limits as much as I am
 
able to do now.
 
 
 
I'll soon check out CV's and bearings as others suggested while I'm back
 
there installing shocks (have Tein Flex coming my way)
 
 
 
Dan
 
97 VR4 ~92K miles
 
(w/ Saner sways and TEC strut bars)
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:25:50 -0600
 
From: "William J. Crabtree" <wjcrabtree@earthlink.net>
 
Subject: Team3S: Exaust header heat shields
 
 
 
I'm getting ready to put my motor back into the car and I'm wondering if I
 
really need the ugly heat shields.  No matter what you do to them, they look
 
like crap.  Has anyone taken theirs off and lived to tell about it?
 
 
 
Just curious,
 
 
 
Jeff C.
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:58:43 -0800
 
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supercharger?
 
 
 
There is no bolt-on solution for a non-turbo DOHC engine.  Before adding any
 
forced intake (SC or TC), you'll need to drop the compression ratio to below
 
9:1, and preferably to 8:1, like the turbo models have (your CR is 10:1).
 
Only the SOHC models (8.9:1 CR) can add a supercharger (or turbo) without
 
changing the compression.  The two most appropriate models of supercharger are
 
made by Knight Industries out of Florida.  One is a 5.6 psi (street legal)
 
supercharger (~$4,500+), the other is a 9 psi (not street legal) model
 
(~$6,000+).  There are turbo kits being offered around on the net, but the
 
cost of upgrading your car to get them to fit (and to work) will cost you more
 
than trading in your car and buying a turbo model.  People have tried, and
 
failed.  Even if you *did* get it to work, you still wouldn't have AWD, AWS or
 
the other electro-mechanical goodies that make the turbo models so
 
spectacular.  One guy spent close to $20k trying to 'upgrade' his DOHC to a
 
twin turbo and he still couldn't get it below 13 seconds for the 1/4 mile.  He
 
sold it for less than $10k.  In other words, don't waste your money.  Buy a
 
turbo model and be done with it, or be happy with what you've got.
 
- ---Forrest
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:23:53 -0600
 
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
 
Subject: RE: Team3S: Supercharger?
 
 
 
You do not necessarily have to drop CR to add forced induction to a
 
3000GT non-turbo at 10:1 CR...  In fact, I have done some research and
 
found there are many other cars with high CR motors that have
 
supercharger and turbo kits available...  For instance, the new Celica
 
GTS, 11:1 CR from the factory, and two companies sell turbo kits for
 
them, granted you are limited to about 7 psi of boost, but it is still a
 
viable option...  There is no reason you couldn't do the same with a
 
10:1 6g74, so long as you monitored knock and such...
 
 
 
- -Cody
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:37:01 -0700
 
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@mho.com>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supercharger?
 
 
 
Right, you don't _need_ to lower your compression, but the amount of boost you can safely run is
 
severly limited. But it's a trade off, lower compression you loose hp but can increase boost adding hp. High compression gives more hp but less boost. Personally I'd rather have 10:1 compression in my vr-4 and run lower boost. imho of course
 
 
 
Donald Ashby
 
'93 3000GT VR-4 (RIP)
 
'92 3000GT VR-4 (Vroom!)
 
"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:19:40 -0500
 
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <philip@supercar-engineering.com>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supercharger?
 
 
 
At 09:37 PM 11/26/2003, Donald Ashby wrote:
 
>But it's a trade off, lower compression you loose hp but can increase
 
>boost adding hp. High compression gives more hp but less boost.
 
 
 
Personally, if I had a lot of time on my hands, I would drop the
 
compression to 7:1, or something like that, and run 20 psi. I like more
 
horsepower.
 
 
 
The more boost - the more stuff goes into the cylinder and burns there,
 
hence more horsepower. The tradeoff when you lower you compression is a
 
rougher idle and bad fuel economy, but I have not seen rumpa-rumpa 3/S cars
 
yet with rough idle problems. Strange, everyone who thinks about fiddling
 
with their compression tries to go the VTech way and hike it through the
 
roof. Why, I don't know.
 
 
 
Philip
 
 
 
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:58:26 EST
 
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supercharger?
 
 
 
Even if you got through all the compression, boost, and knock questions, you
 
would still need traction.
 
 
 
N/A DOHC cars have torque steer already. With more power to the wheels, you
 
would need big muscles to keep the wheel where u want it at WOT.
 
 
 
They sold AWD N/As in Japan, but not here. . .pity.
 
 
 
Mike-
 
97  SL
 
 
 
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:10:17 -0800
 
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
 
Subject: Re: Team3S: Supercharger?
 
 
 
It's a great academic exercise to discuss other cars, and the logic that such
 
high-CR mods are *possible*...  But they are definitely not a safe option for
 
us, according to Thomas "Geoff" Knight, who owns Knight Industries, and makes
 
the superchargers I listed.  He has tried them on both our SOHC and DOHC (NT)
 
models.  To paraphrase him, "you *must* work with an engine that has a CR
 
*lower than* 9.1:1, and I'd rather see it in the low 8's, like the turbo
 
models 8:1".  "The SOHC models are actually better candidates for a
 
supercharger than the DOHC models for that reason".
 
 
 
I'd trust his opinion over even the most logical supposition.
 
 
 
If you want to spend the rest of your car's life running it on $5-per-gallon
 
110-octane unleaded, you *could* run at 10:1 without detonation, but I can't
 
imagine that anyone would want that.  If you've got a Jones to put a
 
supercharger on a DOHC NT, do the engine work, IMO.
 
 
 
- ---Forrest
 
 
 
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:43:00 -0500 (EST)
 
From: Michael Baldwin <mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
 
Subject: Team3S: New tires - Sumitomo HTR+ or Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
 
 
 
I'm in the market for some new tires. I would like to go less expensive,
 
but want something that will keep up with the Vr-4 (not sacrifice safety,
 
handling, etc).
 
 
 
I've been reading mixed reviews (although mostly positive) on the
 
Sumitomo HTR+. Better reviews for the Goodyears, but they are also
 
$70/tire more expensive.
 
 
 
Any personal experiences?
 
 
 
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