Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Thursday, October 9 2003   Volume 02 : Number 271
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:38:13 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Team3S: OT : European Mini-Gathering in Strasbourg (France)
 
By the end of September, a few of us "Europeans" came together for just a
few hours. At least there were three cars (wow !) what then made the first
european 3S gathering *smile*. Chris and his friend, Howard and myself hat
a great time in the nice city of Strasbourg (France) just a few miles close
to Germany and 1 hour from Switzerland. Chatting about cars, techs, jobs
and so on was great fun and we ended with a nice diner before we all went
back home. And of course we discussed the first big european 2 day event
that should take place end of summer 2004. Many ideas are in our minds and
nothing is real right now, but I'm positive that we find somethign nice
around the nice winerys in France (it is pretty central for where the 3S
people are comming from... UK, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Netherlands,
Belgium ...)
 
Here's the link to a few pic Howard and myself took in Strasbourg :
http://www.rtec.ch/3000gt/
 
Lookign forward to meet many of the european 3S people next year !!
 
Roger G.
93 & 96 3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:19:24 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 91 Stealth R/T - Backup Lights
 
It's right underneath the front turbo post-MAS hose, its a little cylindrical looking thing plugged
into the tranny.
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4 (RIP)
'92 3000GT VR-4 (Vroom!)
"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:34:28 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT : European Mini-Gathering in Strasbourg (France)
 
> At least there were three cars (wow !) what then made the first
> european 3S gathering *smile*.
 
Nice pictures!  But I seem to remember two black Stealths and one red 3000GT
together at the dyno in Zurich about four and a half years ago... wasn't
that the first European Gathering?!  ;-)
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:19 -0400
From: "Bob G" <Rguirlinger@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Alignment
 
Took my VR-4 into the local Mitsubishi Service Dept to have some maintenance
and a repair done. The repair was to the right front CV joints. After they
finished, the alignment was off by quite a bit. Their tech was out for the
rest of the week so I'll have to take it back next week to have it aligned.
 
My understanding is that CV joints don't have anything to do with the
alignment. Is this correct? If so, what could they have done to cause it to
be out so bad? Should I insist on a free alignment due to their ineptness?
 
Bob Guirlinger
 
92 VR-4
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:26:36 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Alignment
 
>My understanding is that CV joints don't have anything to do with the
>alignment. Is this correct?
 
Yes
 
> If so, what could they have done to cause it to be out so bad?
 
If they disassembled the strut from the spindle, and didn't put the two big
bolts back in exactly the same place, your alignment will be off. The bolts
are free to move around a bit because the holes are bigger than the bolts.
(Been there, done that. We just finished replacing my trans and ball
joints, and did the exact same thing)
 
You might try jacking it up, remove the RF wheel, and check the two bolts
to see if you can figure out by the rust and grease where they should be.
If so, you might be able to wiggle it back into alignment yourself.
 
It's also possible that they popped off the tie rod to get the strut loose,
adjusted it to get some play, and didn't put it back in the same place.
Again, see if you tell by the dirt where it is supposed to be.
 
>Should I insist on a free alignment due to their ineptness?
 
Charge back in there, full of fire and brimstone, and tell them there's no
way they should have messed up the alignment, and see if you can get a
freebie.
 
They will probably say, "Oh, we forgot to do the alignment. Thanks for
reminding us! That'll be another $200!!"
 
What did they charge you, anyway? Should be an hour labor (or less) plus
parts.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:38:01 +0000
From: mjannusch@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: Alignment
 
> My understanding is that CV joints don't have
> anything to do with the alignment. Is this
> correct? If so, what could they have done to
> cause it to be out so bad? Should I insist on
> a free alignment due to their ineptness?
 
You pretty much have to remove the axles to do much with the CV joints.  In the process they likely didn't mark the positions of the camber adjustment bolts through the struts.  I've never had a problem with alignment after pulling axles for clutch swaps, but I've also always marked the exact position of the camber bolts before wrenching on them.
 
At least the method I use keeps the alignment.  Remove the camber bolts, seperate the tie rod end ball joint, disconnect the brake line retainer from the strut and you have enough play to get the axles out.  If you do it that way, toe is completely unaffected and camber is up to you getting the bolts back where they were.
 
I'd say they should thow in the alignment job for free for not knowing better.
 
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:55:53 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: slow starting problem solved
 
Just wanted to let you all know, and thank you for all the help, regarding my problem with my VR-4 taking longer to start.
 
The problem was the Fuel Pressure Regulator.  Took about 10 minutes to replace, and that even included a little housecleaning.  Now
it starts right up like it used to.
 
Thanks all
Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:57:25 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: how to adjust headlights
 
Is it hard to adjust the headlights in a 2nd gen car ?  I have a 1997 VR-4 and after having custom paint done, the shop also
replaced the headlights with a different color, one that would match the new paintjob better.
 
But he never adjusted the headlights and I think they are pointing down to much.
 
Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks
Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:05:58 -0700
From: "Damien" <dabinch@actionsd.com>
Subject: Team3S: Pocket Logger placement
 
Has anyone rigged their car with a bracket or something to more or less have
a permanent place to put a Pocket Logger?  Do most just let it "hang loose?"
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:13:15 -0400
From: "Danno" <palermod@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Some Brake Questions
 
Coupla questions for anyone willing to share a little expertise:
 
I've developed a shimmy when the brakes are applied at high speed.  I'm
assuming the rotors need to be turned.
 
            Everyone agree with that diagnosis?
 
Next, I replaced the pads about a year ago and there's still a fair
amount of life left in them.  Is the best approach to always replace the
pads if you turn the rotors?
 
Last, when replacing the pads I noticed what appear to be shims that
slip between the pad and the pistons.  One was solid metal.  The other
had grooves cut in it. 
 
            Is it crucial to proper functioning that both be
re-installed?  I was unable to fit one of the shims in the last time, so
I left it out.  Now, my rotors are warped.  Could there be cause and
effect there?
 
Thanks for the help!!
 
- -          Dan
- -          '95 VR4
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:24:16 -0400
From: "Bob G" <Rguirlinger@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Alignment
 
Thanks for the education, guys.  I'm going to march right in that Service
Manager's office and, with the most intimadating look I can muster, I'll....
 
....drop to my knees and BEG him to fix it.  OK, if he can't do it for free
I'll just ask that he leaves a few pennies in my checking account when he is
finished. ;)
 
I used work on my own cars more than I do now.  Back then, I had more time
than money, but now it's kind of gone the other way.  The former way is the
only way you can be sure that it is done right.
 
BTW, Rich, it was $240.00 (flame suit on).
 
Bob Guirlinger
92 VR-4
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:32:48 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Alignment
 
>BTW, Rich, it was $240.00 (flame suit on).
 
Not real terrible, assuming you got a new CV joint out of it.
 
Rich
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:01:05 -0400
From: "Bob G" <Rguirlinger@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Alignment
 
I guess it was two new CV joints.  There's one at each end of the axel?
 
Bob Guirlinger
92 VR-4
 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:32:24 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Alignment
 
Christ Rich, you've got to remember that most of the world doesn't have a Dennies
Muffler and Stormdoor company --- out here in the Golden Ghetto they charge $40
just to talk to service writer. A dealer uses a flat rate book to determine cost and at
a labor rate of $75 to $100 you sure ain't gonna get much done for $100. You can
probably get mixed drink at the local bar for $1.75 where we pay $4 for an Import
beer --- that's beer from another country, not Des Moines, for you Cedar Rapids
types. There's a price to be paid for living in Gods country and we pay every day.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bret Duvall <teeminus@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Window Regulator and e-01
 
Hello-
 
I was wondering if anybody had any insight to where I
could find a drivers side power window regulator for
less than $250 like the dealerships want.  Also is it
hard to do yourself b/c they want like another $250
for install.
 
Also...
 
What do you think about the Greddy e-01 boost
controller/data logger.  I've heard good things about
it but I am wondering if anybody knows if it has
functions like the Apexi SAFC II has.  I would like to
be able to control my fuel but am wondering if the
e-01 will do it all for me.
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
 
Bret
 
1993 VR4 - 24k miles
 
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