Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Saturday, August 16 2003   Volume 02 : Number 231
 
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:55:35 -0700
From: "Tyson Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine / turbo failure
 
I'll second that. Nothing that could possibly happen to a turbo would cause
0 oil pressure. And even if they suggested to replace oil pump and you
didn't you still have grounds. Mechanics when doing this stuff will suggest
to replace every moving part on the car. It is unreasonable to do so. The
oil pumps can be inspected and they can tell if the thing will fail in 4
days or not. It can also be rebuilt. Bottom line, this is a very clear
indication that they did not assemble the engine properly and now, as shops
always do, are trying to weasel out of it.
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:57:30 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: battery drain / charging system problem
 
    After $950 in parts and $800 in labor, the service on the Stealth is
complete.  I had the Mitsu dealer in York (OLD York!  (-; ) replace
everything listed at
http://www.team3s.com/~matthews/100k_service_parts_list.html plus an
alternator and return all parts for inspection.  The old belts and hoses
look like new, but the tensioners and pulleys were definitely ready to go
(water pump isn't great, either).  The old alternator looks fine, and I'm
hoping it can be repaired for resale (anyone interested?).  All of the
squeaks are now gone, and the engine purrs like new!  I'm really pleased.
 
    As for the current draw...
 
When I drove the car home, I was surprised and disappointed to see that the
Radio Shack alternator tester (plugged into the cigarette lighter) still did
not register voltages in the "engine on" range (13.5, 14.0, 15.0).  However,
unlike before, it did register the highest "engine off" voltage (12.5)
regardless of RPM; with the old alternator, it would read 11.0 at idle, 12.0
when driving normally and sometimes 12.5 would blink when I revved it up.
According to the manual (ELECTRICAL, Volume 2, page 8-220), the normal
regulated voltage range is 13.1 - 15.4 VDC, with spec limit at 70% of
nominal output current...
 

I measured VDC when I got home and then again three times since (alarm on):
 
12.97 VDC evening (immediately after shutting off the engine)
12.56 VDC morning
12.52 VDC afternoon
12.48 VDC morning
 
Compare that to my previous tests with the old alternator:
 
Test 1 (alarm on overnight):
12.8 VDC night
12.4 VDC morning
 
Test 2 (alarm off overnight):
12.83 VDC night
12.63 VDC morning
12.54 VDC evening
12.45 VDC morning
 
So the battery is still draining, but not as quickly.  I just repeated the
ampere draw test as well (multimeter in series with negative batter
pole/cable):
 
door open: 2.10 (1.04 with dome light off, one door light on)
everything off: .06-.07
pull BAT fuse: drops to .03
 
Compare that to my previous tests with the old alternator:
 
door open: 2.18 (1.12 with dome light off, one door light on)
everything off: .10 - .13
pull BAT fuse: drops to .06 - .08
 
I'm curious what other Stealths/3000GTs/GTOs see for current draw under
these conditions...
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
       *** Team3S, 3SI #0030, GTOUK #155 ***
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R Mk1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer, Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy)
PF cryoed rotors, R4S pads, SS lines w/SBs, red calipers
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:35:03 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: battery drain / charging system problem
 
I just tested the voltage again with the engine on and the alternator tester
now reads in the normal "engine on" range (14.0) and the multimeter measured
14.42 VDC.  Not sure how to explain the readings in the car on the way home
from the shop two days ago, but all looks normal now.  Still curious to know
what others see for current draw with everything off...
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:14:14 -0700
From: "MM2 Phillips, J" <phillipsj@duluth.navy.mil>
Subject: Team3S: oil flowpath
 
does anyone know where i can find a diagram of the oil flowplath for a 91
vr-4 ( from the pump through the engine and turbos then back to the oil pan
)...  i really need one if i'm to get this SOB at the shop who is working on
my engine to rebuild my engine under warrinty
 
vr,
Ryan Phillips, USN, USS Duluth (LPD-6)
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:56:15 -0400
From: "Bedrock" <r.bedrick@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Recall and Red Line oil
 
Picked up my car yesterday at noon, no problem in and out the door with the
key in 3min. Had myself worked up for a fight and got none.  I think Ill
park in the street for a couple of days to make sure it doesn't leak.
Bob
White/Red 91 RT/TT, Original at 140,000+
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:57:49 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: oil flowpath
 
The shop manual or the CD version of the manual has a page showing
the engine oiling.
 
I scanned a copy I'll send seperately --- the manual has a cleaner version !!!
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:02:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: davis2005@canada.com
Subject: Team3S: MAS MOD
 
Hi All! I was wondering if I should put a MAS mod in my
car. 94 rt tt. I will have a boost controller in soon
and a k&n air filter too. Any suggestions on weather
its good or bad? I like to hear as many suggestions as
possible. Don't wanna hurt my baby! Thanks Jeff Davis
"CNTSEEME"
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:31:07 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Maybe it just needs oil?
 
Speculation has arisen that maybe all my Getrag  6 speed needs is oil.
 
As you may or may not recall, it has been leaking for a couple or years
and, a few weeks ago, it started missing shifts, then jumping out of
gear. I figger it's out of or low on fluid. So, "The Stealth Boys" (my
local Cedar Rapids support group) and I plan to crawl under there and
fill 'er up with <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>2.5 qts of GL-4
grade 75W-90 gear oil </smaller></fontfamily>next weekend and see how it
reacts.
 
The best I can hope for is that it miraculously starts shifting properly,
staying in gear, and doesn't make nasty, expensive noises.
 
The worst is that nothing improves. If so, we will proceed to drop it out
of the car and fix or replace it as we originally planned to do next
weekend.
 
Assuming for a moment that it does appear to be operating properly...
 
1. What damage, if any, have I probably done by running it dry?
 
2. What evil noises will it make or what behavior should we listen/look
for that might indicate internal damage?
 
3. Are there any tests we can run on the jack stands or on the road that
will indicate problems?
 
Even if it does appear to functioning properly after filling, we probably
should take the tranny out this winter and attempt to seal it up. Is
sealing it up something we can do ourselves, or is this a tranny shop
job?
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
94 VR4
 
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:56:49 +0000
From: mjannusch@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: MAS MOD
 
> Hi All! I was wondering if I should put a MAS mod in my
> car. 94 rt tt. I will have a boost controller in soon
> and a k&n air filter too. Any suggestions on weather
> its good or bad? I like to hear as many suggestions as
> possible.
 
What mod are you looking at?  There is a whole grocery list of things that
could be considered "mas mods"...
 
> Don't wanna hurt my baby!
 
Then don't modify it.  Seriously.
 
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
 
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