Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Saturday, August 9 2003   Volume 02 : Number 224
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:49:19 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
Well here's the write-up that I'm gonna follow when I get around to doing
mine.
http://moojohn.com/stealth/headlight/
This guy does his in the oven @ 225F for 5 min.  I've heard of others doing
170F for 15 min.
 
If you search on http://www.3SI.org for "headlight oven" you should find
many threads of people who have successfully done this themselves for like
$5 - $50 ... sure beats $500 for a new one.  I like the idea of putting in a
couple cilica packets to "de-moisturize" the newly cleaned enclosure.  Some
people talk about blocking the hole towards the back where the moisture was
supposed to escape, but may actually have gotten in through that opening.
 
Erik
'94 R/T
(still foggy)
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:57:15 -0600
From: Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject: Team3S: NGK wire advice please/how about plugs?
 
Jeff: thanks for the great article.  I was going to have my wires
replaced at the dealer at my 120k service and am going to reconsider
using stock wires
 
Is there anything I'm taking for granted about plugs?  Are dealer
supplied plugs as good as any other option?
 
Chip
92 Stealth RT/tt
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:47:40 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK wire advice please/how about plugs?
 
Well, Tall Mitsu will sell you a set of ignition wires for your '92 for about $59. What does your dealer want for them?
 
MSD 8.5mm Super Conductor wires custom fitted for our cars are ~$92 at Summit Racing. No, I don't know how well they fit or what they look like. If someone has them, please let us know what the plug boots look like and how well they and the wires fit.
 
The dealer will most likely sell you NGK PFRJ6-11 or Denso PK20PR-P11 platinum tipped plugs. These are what Mitsu calls for. Here are some online prices for NGK PFRJ6-11 (for one plug). What does the dealer want for one or the set?
 
$11.31 http://www.clubplug.net/
$11.71 http://www.sparkplugs.com/
$13.93 http://www.jagworks.com/
 
Hmmmm, $13 buys a whole set of NGK BCPR6ES-11 "copper" plugs. :)
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-sparkplugxref.htm
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:52:35 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: So how do I adjust the CAS?
 
As long as the CAS ('91-'92) is registered correctly to the cams, positioning it in the middle of the bracket will work fine (I have seen mine set from -5º to +60º advance and the engine ran).
 
Start the engine and use a timing light to set basic timing advance to around 0.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-ignition-timing.htm
 
Set basic idle speed as the service manual instructs.
 
Re-set basic timing advance (just disconnect the ground at the diagnostic connector - don't forget the datalogger cable also grounds the right pin for basic idle speed adjustment).
 
Re-set basic idle speed if needed.
 
If you are running larger than stock injectors, I might suggest between 0 and 5 degrees advance to compensate a little for the mild increase in timing caused by the airflow signal conditioner. The bottom line is set the advance as high as you can *without* causing knock (detonation) to occur at any boost levels you run under any engine operating conditions (cold morning to hot afternoons). With your '91-'93 model, dataloggers will report knock.
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:48:18 -400
From: ukyo@speedfactory.net
Subject: Re:  Team3S: OT: Grassroots Motorsports Mag Article compares 3000GT...
 
Yea, Grassroots Motorsports contacted us through a 300ZX tuner shop here in Atlanta.  They asked us to bring all three of our cars (the third being our '97 Eclipse GSX) but later decided to not include the DSM as it "didn't fit in". 
 
The testing day is something I'll not forget soon.  We were up all night putting a clutch (Southbend TZ series with kevlar face) in the VR-4.  I think I slept for about 15 minutes after being up for over 24 hours before we set out.  I had to use the drive up to and around Lauren, SC as the break in miles.  I was able to break it in OK, and then it was off to the testing. 
 
Over all the test driver (also the guy who wrote the article) was impressed with my car.  He said all he ever hears is negative things about them, but it was really fun.  He pushed it pretty hard on the auto-x, and the all season Sumitomos on there sang very loudly, but never let go.  :)  I was surprised at how well it stuck.  I've run it on Little Talledega with the same tires, and it held well, but the auto-x was tighter than Little Talledega is. 
 
I was a little let down by the 0 - 60 time he got out of it.  5.2 is OK, but I know it can do better.  He also printed the wrong 0 - 60 on the Supra.  It also pulled a 5.2 after some fuel tweaking.  It's a little dissapointing that he printed the slower time.
 
It was surprising to see the heavy VR-4 pull a 43.1 on the auto-x and be quicker than a MR2, the Supra, and a RX-7 with a race prepped suspension.  There are zero modifications done to my suspension.  I was running Race Concepts slotted / dimpled drilled rotors in the front, stockers in the back, and Hawk HP pads all the way around with Valvoline "ABS blend" synthetic fluid. 
 
Over all the car did great, IMO.  It could have been better had the owners got to run the 0 - 60 portions, but they had to keep it as fair as possible. 
 
And Sonya's Supra keeps up nicely.  It's lit me up hard right at the traps before.  Not a pretty sight when you knock off 3 or so car lengths from the tree and are pretty sure you are way out in front...
 
The article was a blast to be a part of.  Glad you guys enjoyed it.  My only question is where did they get that horrid stock time for our cars?  14.5 @ 97 MPH???  0 - 60 in 6.0 seconds??? 
 
- -- Travis
'94 3000GT VR-4 (DR500 powered)
'97 Eclipse GSX (T28 powered)
'97 Supra TT (<- Sonya's car, BPU +)
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:01:22 -0600
From: Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: NGK wire advice please/how about plugs?
 
Jeff, I'll check into what the dealer is asking, good info!
Chip
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:09:51 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
I did it a few years ago with a hairdryer.  Took a while to get things hot
enough, but it was pretty easy going.  I used Mopar glass cleaner, the stuff
that works so well on the film that builds up on the inside of your windows.
They look great!
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:59:56 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
I just did this on my '94 VR4 a few weeks ago.  I really recommend putting the entire assembly in the oven on low (200ish) for about 10 minutes before trying to open it up.  Once the sealant is warmed up, it's quite easy to pry apart with a flat blade screwdriver. 
 
For cleaning the inside of the glass, I recommend very fine steel wool.  I had baked on grunge on the inside of the glass that cleaner and a paper towel just wouldn't get off.  Glass cleaner with fine steel wool works miracles.  Once I got the inside totally clean, I applied a layer of Fog-X (from the same people that make Rain-X), in the hopes that it would keep it from fogging up.  I don't know if it helped, but I figured it was worth a try.
 
If you've never had the headlamps out before, I'd plan on 2-3 hours for the whole project.  It's really not very hard.
 
- - Brian
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:08:16 -0500
From: <jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com>
Subject: Team3S: part number for oil pressure sender
 
Could someone look up the part number for the oil pressure sender (guage
not idiot light) for a 92 SL?
 
Thanks
 
Jim W
92 3000GT SL
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:02:19 -400
From: ukyo@speedfactory.net
Subject: Re:  Re: Team3S: Questions about cleaning \'94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
"That guy" is me.  :)
 
The method I used works, and it works well.  I got the idea to use the oven from Jack T., actually.  So the idea is his, but the FAQ is mine.  Good to see it's still out and helping people. 
 
There's nothing to it, so even if they fog back up (mine haven't since I wrote the FAQ), it's no problem to fix them. 
 
Just doing my part to help the collective '94 3/S cars looking as good as the day they rolled off the line.  :)
 
- -- Travis
'94 3000GT VR-4
'97 Eclipse GSX
'97 Supra TT
 
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Date: Fri,  8 Aug 2003 13:31:23 -0400
From: Michael Tanenbaum <gtg509d@mail.gatech.edu>
Subject: Team3S: bad tuneup
 
Hi Everyone,
 
How are you?  I just took my car to the dealer to try and work some kinks out
of my car's performance.  They said the the spark plugs I had in there were
Champion spark plugs and NOT platinum.  Would this cause major hesitation in
the car's acceleration?  Would the ECU adjust for this - or might it burn it up?
 
Thank you,
Michael
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:50:14 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: bad tuneup
 
You need to give us more information about your car - NA or turbo? year? mileage? have you done the 60K/120K maintenance with timing belt change?
 
Fouled plugs can cause the symptom you describe, but more info will help us suggest other possibilities.
 
Chuck Willis
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:55:56 -0600
From: "Curtis McConnell" <Curtis.McConnell@Pulte.com>
Subject: Team3S: Value of stock Spyder wheels
 
I have the stock Spyder wheels without tires. One is bent but tires are
still mountable. Other than that they are in good condition. There would
be tires on the wheels but they aren't in good shape. What are they
worth?
 
Curtis McConnell
1995 VR-4 Spyder
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:57:09 -0500
From: "Canney, Charles C" <charles.c.canney@lmco.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question on pre-oiling fresh rebuild
 
Does anybody know if the ECU does not inject fuel and not apply spark, if
the CAS is disconnected?
 
I plan to crank the engine tomorrow after 8 months and many dollars of
repair effort. I put assembly lube on all the moving parts but was thinking
all those oil lines and passageways are empty. I did pour oil across the
valve train before torqing the covers in place, but that was last weekend.
Since I can't drop my small block Chevy pre-oiler in place of the
distributor, I was thinking of disconnecting the crank angle sensor plug,
and spinning the motor with the starter, perhaps 10 seconds at a time with
cool down pauses, but for a total of a minute or so, just to push some oil
into the turbos and around the motor. 
 
Any risks (other than starter wear) I should be aware of?
 
Thanks,
Charles Canney
91 TT
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:57:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: Jim Floyd <jim_floyd7@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question on pre-oiling fresh rebuild
 
Talk to Matt Monet at Dynamic Racing 505-439-1125 he has a technique for this.
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:59:43 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question on pre-oiling fresh rebuild
 
You can make a pre-oiler --- get one of those plastic pesticide sprayers
and an adapter to go into the oiling system -- sending unit hole for example.
Put some oil in the container pressurize it and pump it into the engine. I'd
pre-oil a couple of quarts then turn it over with the starter and put in a few
more. You can even leave the oil pan plug off and run multiple quarts
through the system.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:48:49 -0500
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
Agreed! Slap them in an oven at 200ish for 5-10min, carefully pry the glass out, and clean the hell out of it w/ windex and something abrasive (scouring pad or steel wool). Elapsed time for me was only about 1.5 hrs, for both, after everything was completely reinstalled. Another good idea would be to go and get yourself some RTV silicone sealant from Wal-Mart or wherever you prefer, to seal it back up again. Don't trust the old stuff that's on there, you'll have to take them off and seal them up again later (trust me). Good luck.
    -b
 
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From: Geddes, Brian J [mailto:brian.j.geddes@intel.com]
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
I really recommend putting the entire assembly in the oven on low (200ish) for about 10 minutes before trying to open it up.  Once the sealant is warmed up, it's quite easy to pry apart with a flat blade screwdriver. 
 
For cleaning the inside of the glass, I recommend very fine steel wool. 
 
- - Brian
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:15:56 -0400
From: "Christopher Gerard" <c.w.gerard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: NGK wires
 
Thanks Jeff and Charles for the advice.
 
By the way, I found NGK plugs (PFRJ6-11) for $9.99 at Advance Auto parts web
site.
 
Chris
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:00:36 -0500
From: "Canney, Charles C" <charles.c.canney@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question on pre-oiling fresh rebuild
 
Thanks to both Jim's for replies. I will attempt to find an adapter for the
pump idea.
Matt was not in, but one of his helpful employees said to pull the
ignition fuse to prevent starting while cranking. I will do that as well.
 
and cross my fingers!
 
Charles Canney
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:15:24 -0500
From: "Canney, Charles C" <charles.c.canney@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: part number for oil pressure sender
 
Jim,
I looked up Z11A, Sports Line, 5sp, Fed model and the GAUGE UNIT, ENG OIL
was MD133273 (the bigger of the two oil sensors in the exploded view)
 
the other oil sensor (small unit right next to it) was listed as SWITCH, ENG
OIL PRESS, MD138993
Charles Canney
 
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:07 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stupid bleepin tranny...
 
Ok, well I finally got that bolt that holds the input shaft in (had a 6mm and a 8mm allen head, but
no 7) so I have that bolt out, and still the input shaft and counter shaft will not come out. I
tried pulling on them and lifting on them, and it appears that the shifter things are actually
holding it in still, is there a way to get those off, or should I not have to get those off?
Thanks guys you've been great helps so far
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4 (RIP)
'92 3000GT VR-4 (Vroom!)
"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:13:43 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stupid bleepin tranny...
 
See the last  sentence of my reply !!!!!! The end cover is pressed onto the
shaft.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:26:00 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Car isn't running great
 
Do a search of the archives for help on the first one --- idle surging has multiple
causes. It maybe as simple as battery voltage if your lights are being affected.
 
Item two may be a control line to the turbo wastegates --- get an aftermarket
boost gauge and find out what the boost really is. If the controller is malfunctioning
or a line is off, the wastgates revert to about 6 pounds of boost.
 
Item three may just be the honk/owl hoot/goose noise produced by the intake
at partial throttle. It's a resonance produced in the intake usually after putting
in an aftermarket air filter. Mine did it for a couple of years but finally went
away.  Much info in the archives.
 
The second gear shift problem is probably a weak 2nd gear synchro. The car
is notorious for having weak synchros. Much info in the archives !!!
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:01:21 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
Be careful with your choice of sealant.  The moisture from the stuff I used
ended up refogging the lens and I had to repeat the entire process!
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:54:47 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Questions about cleaning '94 Stealth headlamp glass
 
Would you care to share with the rest of the group.  What brand sealant did
you use?
 
- -Erik
 
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