Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Wednesday, July 9 2003    Volume 02 : Number 200
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:58:00 -0400
From: Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LJET <Michael.Kopsick@robins.af.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
I don't have a remote entry for the car, or if I do I didn't get it when I bought it.  This happens when I use the key, I have to be really fast with the door handle or it locks before I can open it......its driving me crazy!
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:02:23 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
Well that raises an interesting point then, because the only other thing that would -command- the doors to lock/unlock (that I can think of) is the anti-lock-your-keys-in-the-car algorithm.  And it never commands a lock (only unlock) so what the?  I think my second guess would have to go to a bad switch.
 
Ken
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:07:44 -0400
From: Bill Ma <BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
I had a similar problem at one time. I ended up unplugging the big multi-pin connector near the driver side door hinge and cleaning it out. That cured it for me.
 
Bill
Visions Of Speed
http://visionsofspeed.net
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:05:21 -0000
From: Kopsick Michael J Contr WRALC/LJET <Michael.Kopsick@robins.af.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
I want to thank everyone for advice. I'm writing all this down....
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:10:56 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
Ha!  I think Bill is right, yes.  I now recall one of my local members had one pin rust out on his connector, and it was the door lock!  If yours is getting water in there, it could be shorting the lock line to power, and viola!  freaky door locks.  Pull that and see what you find, I think Bill gets the points on this one.
 
Good luck
Ken
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:19:47 -0400
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
There is an auto door lock relay.  It's behind the passenger side interior trim in the back next to the ABS control unit.  There should be four relays there.  The auto door lock relay is the top one on the right.  PN should be MB543647, but I'd double check it with the dealer.  That relay might be bad. 
 
It may also be a problem with the ETACS.  The ETACS system will not allow the door to lock when the key is in the ignition.  If you try to lock it by hand, the computer will force it to unlock.  This is opposite of the problem you are having, but your problem may be symptomatic of a failing ETACS. 
I believe the ETACS unit will set a fault code if there's a problem there, so you should try to retrieve a fault code from the self diagnosis connector. Try Jeff's site (stealth316) for more info.
 
Joe
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:02:43 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@spamcop.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3SX motor mounts(LONG)
 
Brandon - Good tips and that McMaster catalog does have a ton of stuff.
 
As for the bench vise, I was 400 miles from home and had the 3SX mount (with the pin in the wrong place) for the second week and wanted to stake mine and fix it so I could send back their mount to them.  I was at a friend's house and he was not at home.  He might have had a hydraulic press somewhere in the basement but I didn't feel like rummaging.  Yes the right tool helps but a vise is just about the right tool for that job - I doubt many people have a 2-ton floor press in their townhouse.
 
The replacement mount I got from 3SX had the pin in the center.  My stock mount has it slightly off-center so that was my problem -- I don't know if that is always like this though.
 
- --Flash!
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:40:12 -0500
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3SX motor mounts
 
How big of a problem does this cause? Did you just have to "oomph" it into position or what? Were all 4 mounts like this?
    -b
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:43:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: You have to see these destroyed brakes!
 
Damn
 
:)
 
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www.SpeedToys.com: Geoff Mohler orders@speedtoys.com Team3S/3Si.org Vendor approved brake discounter; also, parts for Toyota, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, SAAB, Volvo. Where do you buy YOUR brakes?  I can help...asking is free!  :) "If its in stock, we have it!"
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:46:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: You have to see these destroyed brakes!
 
Doesn't speak at all for what?
 
How is it that the pad vendor allowed the backing plate to melt?
 
I'm lost in the comparison really..I think this guy simply overcooked bigtime to get that much heat in there, or he had dragging calipers/etc.
 
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www.SpeedToys.com: Geoff Mohler orders@speedtoys.com Team3S/3Si.org Vendor approved brake discounter; also, parts for Toyota, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, SAAB, Volvo. Where do you buy YOUR brakes?  I can help...asking is free!  :) "If its in stock, we have it!"
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:27:18 -0500
From: "Philip Kennedy" <pkennedy@sfigroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
    Heh, I have that exact same problem, but it seems to come and go. If ya figure it out I would love to know what the fix is.
 
Philip K.
94' 3000GT N/A
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:28:57 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@spamcop.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3SX motor mounts
 
I had to return the mount they sent me since there was no BFH (big f'ing
hammer) that would get the mount down into position.  There are two 14mm nuts that hold the pin in place and a 17 mm nut that holds the "locator pin" through the middle of the mount in place.  Once both 14mm nuts are snug then if the hole in the center is off just 1/4" or more there is no way that pin is going to locate itself in the correct spot.  I bet even 1/8" off will make a difference.
 
I took pictures of this in case 3SX needed to see why I was returning it but they graciously agreed and we resolved the situation.  I probably have them in case someone is interested.
 
I only noticed this on the front corner mount since that is the only one I requested they send again and stake since mine was originally not staked. They now sell this mount staked so this should not be a problem for others. I just happened to have one of the early versions.
 
- --Flash!
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:38:04 -0500
From: "Nick McDermott" <eire1274@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: You have to see these destroyed brakes!
 
Guys, I have to throw my hat in here.
 
WTF?!
 
Look, I'm new to the import scene, but I've done drag and road-course racing in MUCH larger cars with non-ventilated rotors and "street" pads for years.  My Pontiac, which has seen the most abuse out of me, has the original (read - placed on the car in December, 1975) one-piston calipers on the front discs.  They've been rebuilt once or twice, but are still stock brakes.
 
I've never done anything like this!  I cracked a pad once, that's it.
FYI: the Pontiac is discs front, drums rear, with a 60/40 forward braking proportioner.
 
The only way for this to not be driver error is for the car to have been involved in a "oh-my-god-i-better-get-stopped-or-i-am-going-to-die-and-take-out-a-doze
n-spectators-too" braking incident which heated the whole system up very rapidly, otherwise you know by feel that your poor brakes are cooking.
 
Nick
93 VR-4
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:42:26 -0400
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Intake Pressurization
 
This weekend I finally had a chance to conduct the intake pressure test as shown on Jeff's webpage. I've been meaning to conduct the test after installing the DNP hard pipes and turbo pipe hits.
 
At first the pressure was entering the valve covers and bleeding out the oil cap, so I capped the appropriate lines, etc., and re-pressurized the lines.
 
The good news is that I don't believe I have any intake pressure leaks.  However, when I got the pressure up to around 20 psi, the air started escaping out of the vapor canister.  At first I thought it was passenger side intercooler lines, but then noticed that the air was coming out of the bottom of the vapor canister (and, of course, smelled like gas!).  Has anyone else experienced this?  Is this normal?  I didn't have time to figure out how the air was getting to the vapor canister, so if anyone knows, please chime in!
 
Thanks!
 
Joe
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:42:16 -0700
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: EVAP system  (was Intake Pressurization )
 
As long as we're on the topic, does anyone have a good explanation of how the pressure/vac lines control the operation of the Evap system?  I've tried to setup the EVAP operation on my AEM EMS based on the diagrams in the shop manuals, but I haven't gotten a good undertstanding of what pressure/vacuum on certain lines do to the EVAP valve...
 
- - Brian
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:41:04 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Subject: Team3S: Best cheap mod ever - Shift Mounts
 
I sent the vendor mentioned in the post an email about these bushings, and here is what he said:
 
"We only ever work on Eclipses. We never dig into other cars. If you can send me a pic of your shifter mounting and maybe a dimension of the hole in your shifter base.
 
Mike W"
 
Looks like we will have to either find someone to be the guinea pig or keep looking. Anthony Melillo 1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:44:52 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3SX motor mounts
 
Check it out...  DSM members have been using these mounts for the longest time, they are tried and true.  Do not have doubts. 
 
They are two pieces per mount, one piece on either side.  They are shaped so that they are the proper diameter on the inside of the mount, and outside the mount, they are large.  They all had to be pressed (with a hydraulic press) in except for one, which was difficult, but done by hand.  The main importance is that when the through bolts are tightened, it is one big assembly, and nothing can move whatsoever....
 
Did you look at the link I sent?  The whole thing is a tight fit, even going back into the mount socket on the car.  Once the through bolt is in, its very solid...  Solid enough for a 12 second AWD car on stock turbo :)
 
- -Cody
 
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:57:26 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Update on Sue the Bastards
 
Here's the official response from Mitsubishi concerning my transmission*, as just relayed by my local dealer via email:
 
AFTER REVIEWING THIS WITH MITSUBISHI I AM SORRY TO INFORM YOU THAT PER MITSU THEY WILL OFFER NO ASSISTANCE. IF I CAN ASSIST YOU IN ANY MANNER PLEASE CONTACT ME.
KEITH
 
I expected as much.
Guess it's lawsuit city.
 
That new GTO from Pontiac is looking much better to me than a new EVO. At least GM stands behind its warranty.
 
We'll discuss this at the NG over a beer or three, then I'll consult with a local lawyer. Anybody on the list is welcome to weigh in with an opinion on how to proceed legally from here.
 
Small claims? Civil court? Federal?
Fix it first, then sue?
Sue before fixing it?
 
I will, of course, keep the list updated on what we do and how we do it. If I am successful, it might open the floodgates of litigation and force the bastards to take more responsibility for their cars, parts, and dealers.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
*Quick summation: I had the dealer put in a new 6 speed tranny three years ago, and it leaked immediately. Mitsu tried to fix it under warranty with band-aids (change fluid, add stop leak, etc.) and when the 12-month warranty was up they told me "sorry, that's all we can do." I contend that it was a faulty transmission from the gitgo, and should have been replaced under the original warranty. It failed after 18,000 miles because it appears to have run dry. It was maintained regularly.
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:40:37 -0700
From: "Grd4Spd Racing" <grd4spdracing@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: You have to see these destroyed brakes!
 
sounds like the guy needs to learn how to brake (i.e., "use less") thus thy will go faster.
 
regards,
terry
 
"If it doesn't make you go fast, we don't sell it"
Grd4Spd Racing - www.grd4spd.com
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:04:33 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: You have to see these destroyed brakes!
 
If you read his post on the 3SI.org site you'll see that the failure was to
one pad in rather short notice. My guess was a pad was dragging, causing it to overheat and fail --- once the pad material was gone it's only a matter
a corner or two to melt the backing plate.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:56:19 +1200
From: "Wayne Thomas" <waynethomas@quicksilver.net.nz>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Door Lock Help.....I need advice really bad!
 
I came across this a while back on a different vehicle and it might be the same thing here. 
In the case I dealt with it was simply that the rod that mechanically connects the actuator to the lock mechanism had come loose and was only partially moving the actuator. 
When the door was locked/unlocked the actuator would be pushed/pulled only halfway, and as a result would try to go back to where it started. Since it couldn't it would go crazy (lock, unlock, lock....) until it finally managed to settle in either the locked or unlocked position. Could be worth taking the door panel off and observing the action as the door is locked to see if this is the case.
 
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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:16:43 -0500
From: <altieris@tulsaconnect.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update on Sue the Bastards
 
I work for a Trial Lawyer and may  be able to give you
some important things to discuss with your Lawyer if you
retain one.
 
1. Most small claims courts only handle issues up to
$4500.00 or $5000.00, amounts greater than that would go
to a civil court.
 
2. The Court rules in civil court are often much different
from those in small claims and I would definitely
recommend legal counsel if you go this route unless you
are well versed on court procedure and civil law.
 
3. In many small claims courts they are only allowing 10%
of the amount sued to be awarded as attorneys fees, so
there is not as big of a risk if you loose. However, in
civil court the loser could be forced to pay all of the
attorneys fees, which could be over $1000.00 on a simple
case- much more on a complex one. The winner is also often
awarded filing fees and costs of service.
 
4. Many attorneys will offer a free consultation- talk to
one.
 
I hope this is somewhat helpful...
 

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn vrfour <vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update on Sue the Bastards
 
Don't forget to READ your warrantee.  It may have a
clause for binding arbitration.
 
Glenn
 
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