Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth     Friday, July 4 2003     Volume 02 : Number 196
 
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:09:49 -0400
From: "Dennis R. Ninneman" <dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: sudden loss of stability during hard braking
 
On my first VR4 I had 275-40x17's on the stock rims.  Probably too much
tire for the width, but I was too cheap to buy wider rims.  Ran
autocrosses (long and short) drove the car daily till the tires were
history ........... many avoidance braking situations along the way.
 Never lost control or felt the brakes or car were 'losing control'.
 Besides the tire/wheel combo, get your brakes checked.  And are you
sure there is no damage to suspension components?  Better to be safe
than sorry.
 
Dennis -=-=- Philly
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 00:47:26 -0400
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: I wanna sue the bastards
 
Jeff, the reason I said you were "wrong" is because your response didn't read like simple opinion.  Rather, it seemingly spoke with authority and advice, basically advising Rich that he was sh*t out of luck because the failure of his tranny was his own fault.  I certainly respect your opinion, but from a legal perspective, which I believe was the crux of Rich's post, it was wrong to tell Rich that he is sh*t out of luck.  The question is NOT whether the new tranny failed within its 1 year warranty, it's whether Mitsu honored its warranty when it told Rich, "sorry, there's nothing more I can do.  You're stuck with a leaky tranny."  That's called breach of contract, and under those circumstances, Mitsu was contractually obligated to replace the tranny with a brand freaking new one, regardless of the cost to Mitsu, because that is what Rich paid for.  In this circumstance, Mitsu placed its own economic interests over the Rich's interests in having his tranny fixed right, and if anything is immoral or unethical, it's that--a big corporate conglomerate taking advantage of a common consumer. Also, the breach occurred at the time Mitsu told Rich "sorry, there's nothing more I can do," so anything that occurred subsequent to that (like running the dang thing out of oil) is irrelevant to the question of whether Mitsu is liable for breach of contract.  And that fact is, there is something Mitsu could have done--it could have replaced the tranny.  But rather than making the moral and ethical choice, it chose to roll the dice and screw Rich over.
 
I apologize if my response was bold.  However, I've been practicing law now for over 10 years, and one of my pet peeves is when a non-lawyer renders what appears to be legal advice, and someone relies on it to their detriment.  The truth of the matter is that most laws are based soundly on common sense, and making Mitsu pay for this one makes the most common sense.  Why?  Because Rich bought a tranny AND a warranty from Mitsu.  Under this warranty, Mitsu promised to replace the tranny if was defective.  It was defective.  Rich took the car back and advised Mitsu of the defect.  Mitsu told Rich to go pound salt.  Rich pounded salt because he had not other choice but to be stuck with a leaky tranny.  The tranny failed.  Now, whose fault is that? 
 
Rich, if I was in Cedar Rapids I'd represent you for free on this one, provided you promised to buy me a beer after we won.
 
<<<Joe, I am not so sure opinions can be "wrong". Your calling me wrong is just your opinion also.>>>
 
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 04:47:14 -0800
From: Steve Hennigar <garpike@chartermi.net>
Subject: Team3S: Another question
 
The saga continues..
 
TCM is replaced and the transmission seems to work.  ECU is now replaced
and the car runs, and seems to run okay.  It isn't presently licensed,
so I haven't taken it out for any length of a drive.
 
Now, however, the SRS light and ABS light are lit on the instrument
panel.  I know I've read solutions to this annoyance on the list in the
past, but naturally didn't pay much attention to remembering them.   :-[
The vehicle is a 92 R/T, automatic transmission.  Yes, the battery was
discharged low enough that the mechanic needed to charge it prior to
starting the car after replacing the ECU.
 
Could someone enlighten me, please?
 
By the way, the bracket(s) and cable(s) that make the passenger side
window go up and down are broken/jammed/tangled.  Any suggestions where
to find a replacement unit, or parts?  It would seem that the whole unit
needs to be replaced, but I don't know.
 
Again, many thanks for past and most likely future help.   :-)
 
Steve Hennigar
92 R/T, 92 R/T TT
 
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 09:58:41 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: I wanna sue the bastards
 
I was waiting for Joe to wade in on this discussion.
>Joe Starkey, says:
>I apologize if my response was bold.  However, I've been practicing law
now for over 10 years, and one of my pet peeves is when a non-lawyer renders what appears to be legal advice, and someone relies on it to their detriment. 
 
Hear, hear! My wife is a bankruptcy attorney, and she gets people coming in all the time, spouting the "law" to her. If it's a guy, she calls it "bar law." If it's a woman, she calls it "hairdresser law."  Seems like the bars and hairdressing salons in this country promulgate a lot of interesting interpretations of the law, almost all wrong.
 
Alas, being a bankruptcy specialist, she is not all that familiar with contract law or small claims court. Therefore, your opinion on this matter is most welcome.
 
>Rich, if I was in Cedar Rapids I'd represent you for free on this one,
provided you promised to buy me a beer after we won.
 
Shoot, I'll buy you a beer anyway.
 
Getting back to the topic, though...
 
>From everything I hear on these forums -- from John Monnin informing us
that Mitsubishi is  monitoring discussions on this forum to identify racers so it can disallow transfer claims, to the enormous number of complaints about dealers (Satan) -- it seems to me that we need to work as an owner's group against the builder of our favorite car.
 
If my little lawsuit helps another owner somewhere else to get satisfaction from a dealer, then we will have made some headway into the Mitsubishi Mentality. It is a truly sad state of affairs when a General Motors aftermarket warranty is better than a Mitsubishi factory warranty. What's wrong with this picture?
 
No car company will ever equal the cooperation provided by Datsun Competition, but maybe we can drag Mitsubishi up to the level of BMW and Porsche with a few choice lawsuits here and there. If I win, for example, it sets a precedent that other owners can cite in their battle against dealerships. If we set enough precedents in our ongoing battles with Satan, it will benefit all owners.
 
So, let's sue the bastards!
 
Joe, stick around, dude. I'll need your advice when I get past the letter-writing stage. Maybe we'll create the answer to another FAQ: How can I sue my dealer?
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 18:27:59 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: 97 VR-4 wanted
 
I am looking for a 1997/98 3000GT TT, in any color but green. If anyone has
one for sale or knows of one, please let me know off list
 
mike
97 SL
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 21:30:42 -0600
From: "Moe Prasad" <mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Team3S: Removal of front O2 Sensor
 
Any suggestions on the best and easiest way to remove the front o2 sensor.
 
With the help of a friend, we were able to get the back one off.  I will have to re-tap the hole.
 
I have a breaker bar and an O2 Sensor Socket.  If you haven't seen it, it is very nice.  The problem is leverage.
 
Anyone in CO have an 18mm tap?
 
Thanks
Moe
 
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