Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Thursday, June 5 2003    Volume 02 : Number 173
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:00:02 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ERG Block Off Plates
 
I agree 100% - total wasted effort.  At WOT, EGR is disabled, and it is only used to protect your engine and the environment.
 
Ken Stanton
91 Stealth TT
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:04 PM
 
> They harm emissions, add 0Hp or torque, and increase combustion
> chamber temps.
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:10:35 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: URGENT Clutch Push Rod Adjustment?
 
Hey anyone got any input on this?  I need to get it back together tonight!! Thanks!
 
Ken
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Stanton" <ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:44 PM
 
> I'm doing the master cylinder replacement, and in the manual it calls
> for the push rod to be measured (under hood, not inside cabin!) which
> is nearly impossible but also to adjust it!  I'm just wondering if anyone
> has ever done this and has any clue what they're getting at.  I managed to
> pull this rod right out of the booster, did I hurt anything?  It doesn't
> look like it, but ya never know.
>
> Thanks!
> Ken Stanton
> 91 Pearl White Stealth R/T TT
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:17:44 -0500
From: "Nick McDermott" <eire1274@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: My project has arrived
 
I drove down to Oklahoma City yesterday and collected the 93 VR-4 that will provide me endless stress (and enjoyment) and test the strength of my marriage this summer.  The damage was described to me as a 20Mph curb romp, but it must have been one hell of a romp.  Both front rims (stock Mitsubishi chrome) are dented, the tie rod assembly is totally severed and the outer ends warped, and the driver's side wheel assembly has come off of the joint bolt at the lower suspension arm.  Transmission is entirely gone (was crunched pretty good by the offending curb and removed by the salvage lot prior to purchase) and the airbag is deployed.
 
There's minor body damage to the front spoiler, probably re: curb, and the usual blemishes one expects in a 10 year old car, but paint actually
(mostly) seems only a few years old, still glossy.
 
The surprise was finding a Borla cat-back exhaust, K&N FIPK, aftermarket blow-off valve (atmosphere vent, but I'll be changing that), aftermarket brakes, and the engine itself in very good condition.  Pretty much an in-car teardown and clean up of the engine, make a few modifications, redo front end steering, suspension, and all 4 brakes pads and rotors, and bolt on a good Getrag 5 speed (yes, we decided on the 5 speed for sake of easy install, 6 speed when time and money allow) and we'll be on the road.  Give me 3 months to get the cosmetic stuff done, and I'll meet you guys somewhere and show off!
 
Nick McDermott
1st time import owner!
 
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:23:45 -0400
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <philip@supercar-engineering.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: URGENT Clutch Push Rod Adjustment?
 
I replaced my brake and clutch booster couple weeks ago. I did not do the
adjustments, but I probably should have.
 
I just went to the garage and tried to pull the rod out of the old booster
and I could not. I used just fingers, no pliers.
 
If your brakes still work, after you put it all together, the biggest thing
that you could have damaged is some dust seals, or even nothing at all.
This is all I can help you with.
 
Philip
 
At 07:10 PM 6/4/2003, Ken Stanton wrote:
> > I'm doing the master cylinder replacement, and in the manual it
> > calls for the push rod to be measured (under hood, not inside
> > cabin!) which is nearly impossible but also to adjust it!  I'm
> just wondering if anyone has ever done this and has any clue what
> they're getting at.  I managed to pull this rod right out of the
> booster, did I hurt anything?  It doesn't look like it, but ya never
> know.
 
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Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2003 20:32:52 -0400
From: Michael Tanenbaum <gtg509d@mail.gatech.edu>
Subject: Team3S: car jerks at low rpm(~1000) after rain
 
Hi everyone,
 
How are you?  My car had been running pretty well, that is, until it rained.  I
have noticed before that after rain or washing the car it acts a little bit
off.  Specifically, when I take my foot off the throttle, the car starts to
jerk at low speeds/rpms (say up to 25 mph).  When I come to a stop the rpms
dive down to ~500 and then jump back up.  I had some issues before with the
wiring to the TPS, but replaced the plug at the TPS which pretty much fixed
that.
 
So the question is, what might the water from rain/washing do to the car to
cause these changes?  Is there a particular leak to check for, or might it be
shorting out some wires, or getting into the fuel system?  Thank you so much
for your help.
 
Michael
 
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:22:09 -0400
From: Mike Chapleski <chaplesk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Pressure loss in fuel line from tank to filter
 
Anyway, I wanted to replace the filter this season but did not see an easy *threaded* solution to connect to the supply line from the pump. It looks like the easiest way might be to attach a short hose and clamp to the supply line, then use a sequence hose end, adapters, and fittings till an aftermarket filter with -6 AN ports can be attached. This upgrade will have to wait till next season.
 
I removed my fuel filter last year and replaced all the lines and
connections in the engine compartment with Earl's.
 
I purchased a -8 Hose -14 Mm X 1.5 connector from Earl's Indy
(www.earlsindy.com).  Part # 3001EBH for $14.08.  This connector bolted
directly to the fitting from the supply line (before the Mitsu fuel
filter).  I then ran AN-8 up to an Earl's fuel filter that was directly
screwed into the fuel rail.  I replaced the front/back fuel rail
connector line with -8 and ran a -8 line out  the end on the rear rail
to an Aeromotive FPR.  Then I ran -6 line back down to the return line.
 I mounted an electronic fuel pressure gauge in the FPR. 
 
    While it was cheaper to install the fuel filter directly to the fuel
rail, I would not recommend it.  I had sealing problems where it
connected to the fuel rail.  Finally I was able to countersink the fuel
rail and add a large O-ring to get it just right.  Took several
iterations of leaking gas to tweak it. 
 
Mike Chapleski
Miami, FL
'95 Stealth RT TT
3SI # 0018
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:54:29 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ERG Block Off Plates
 
Has anyone investigated the possibility that the EGR valve may leak air from the pressurized plenum into the exhaust fitting, or if the plates themselves leak under the same circumstances?
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Stanton" <ken.c.stanton@usa.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:00 PM
 
I agree 100% - total wasted effort.  At WOT, EGR is disabled, and it is only used to protect your engine and the environment.
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:02:26 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Pressure loss in fuel line from tank to filter
 
>> I purchased a -8 Hose -14 Mm X 1.5 connector from Earl's Indy
>> (www.earlsindy.com).  Part # 3001EBH for $14.08.  This connector
>> bolted directly to the fitting from the supply line (before the Mitsu
>> fuel filter).
 
Thanks for the tip, Mike! The earlsindy web site was no help locating this part. I do see that Earl's makes an adapter 9894DBH that has a female M14x1.5 on one end and a male -6 AN on the other end. I didn't take the fuel line coupling apart, but it looks like the male threads are on the tank side and the female on the filter side. Are you saying a female M14x1.5 threads onto the factory male threads? If so, this is great!
 
Thanks.
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:11:40 +0000
From: mjannusch@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: ERG Block Off Plates
 
> Has anyone investigated the possibility that
> the EGR valve may leak air from the
> pressurized plenum into the exhaust fitting,
> or if the plates themselves leak under the
> same circumstances?
 
If you use a stock gasket on the plate that attaches to where the EGR valve
used to be, it won't leak under boost.  I did have a problem where boost was
able to leak out into the exhaust, but that was caused by the vacuum line
blowing off of the EGR valve input, which allowed it to stay/blow open under
boost.  A hose clamp on the hose fixed that, but I suppose if you had a bad EGR
valve it might allow boost to leak out through the exhaust fitting.
 
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:23:04 -0400
From: Bill Ma <BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Pressure loss in fuel line from tank to filter
 
Jeff,
 
You are correct, this is the part I used to connect to the hard line coming from the fuel tank, fits perfectly
 
9894DBH  14 x 1.5mm  -6  Female saginaw to AN male adapter 
 
Bill
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius [mailto:jlucius@stealth316.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:02 AM
 
>> I purchased a -8 Hose -14 Mm X 1.5 connector from Earl's Indy
>> (www.earlsindy.com).  Part # 3001EBH for $14.08.  This connector
>> bolted directly to the fitting from the supply line (before the Mitsu
>> fuel filter).
 
Thanks for the tip, Mike! The earlsindy web site was no help locating this part. I do see that Earl's makes an adapter 9894DBH that has a female M14x1.5 on one end and a male -6 AN on the other end. I didn't take the fuel line coupling apart, but it looks like the male threads are on the tank side and the female on the filter side. Are you saying a female M14x1.5 threads onto the factory male threads? If so, this is great!
 
Thanks.
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anthony Tse <tse1631@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade
 
Thanks for the reply, I got one more question. Do I
need to regap the spark plugs if I run boost over
stock ? to.034? What happen if I don't do that?
Anthony
 
- --- Marc Jonathan Jacobs <Marc.J.Jacobs@alcatel.com> wrote:
> No lines go over the dash.  The boost gauge I have has 1 hose, and 2
> wires for the light.  The hose comes through the firewall above where
> the steering wheel goes through.  The rheostat that controls the dash
> lights is located right by your left knee as you drive.  I tapped into
> the wires right there at the rheostat.
>
> You can drill a hole in the dash where the A-pillar meets it, and run
> wires etc up there, or you can go around the outside edge of the dash
> next to the door (that's what I did).
>
> You can see great improvements in power by adding a simple manual
> boost controller.  Go for the ball/spring type, not the aquarium valve
> type.  These are less than $100.  Tune it to 15PSI max (using your
> newly installed boost gauge).  Your car makes 9PSI stock, and you can
> estimate 5HP per PSI.  Was 305HP, now 335HP.  Check ebay "manual
> boost".
>
> Gut your pre-cats = free.  It allows the turbos to spool quicker and
> get more HP sooner, but it won't give you more peak HP.
>
> There are cheap ways to get more fuel flow too by rewiring the fuel
> pump & relay.  You might invest in a A/F gauge for <$50 too, and tap
> it into one of the O2 sensor wires to make sure you don't run lean. 
> JCWhitney.com has them.
>
> Boost gauge $50, Cheap Boost controller $30, rewire fuel pump $25, A/F
> gauge $35 = $140
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:12:50 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade
 
yes.  else you will have spark blowout at high speed WOT (wide open throttle) even with 14.7 psi boost.  It causes the engine to stumble under those conditions. been there, done it, got the t-shirt.
 
Chuck Willis
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Tse [mailto:tse1631@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:03 AM
 
Thanks for the reply, I got one more question. Do I
need to regap the spark plugs if I run boost over
stock ? to.034? What happen if I don't do that?
 
Anthony
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:13:57 -0600
From: Gabe Simoes <Gabe92RTTT@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Upgrade
 
Yes, your plugs should be gapped down to .034 or .032 to avoid spark
blowout due to the higher boost. 
 
Gabe Simoes
 
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo
 
- - K&N, EGR BlockOffs, Port & Polished Heads, Ported Manifolds, Wiseco
Forged Pistons, GTPro 347s, MBC, DN Y-Pipe, TurboXS RFL, Stillen DP,
3SX Crank Pulley, RPS 6 Puck, Weight Redux
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:09:45 -0400
From: Mike Chapleski <chaplesk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Pressure loss in fuel line from tank to filter
 
Yes, Jeff I bought a M14.5x1.5 female to -8.  I originally tried to get
this directly from Earl's and they told me they did not carry it, but
referred me to Earl's Indy.  I believe this may be a custom fitting they
make.  Mine was an -8 so the part number would be different for -6.  I
would give them a call. 
 
Mike
 
Jeff Lucius wrote:
 
>>>I purchased a -8 Hose -14 Mm X 1.5 connector from Earl's Indy
>>>(www.earlsindy.com).  Part # 3001EBH for $14.08.  This connector
>>>bolted directly to the fitting from the supply line (before the Mitsu
>>>fuel filter).
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:32:32 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Upgrade
 
> Yes, your plugs should be gapped down to .034 or .032 to avoid spark
> blowout due to the higher boost.
 
Some cars do not exhibit this problem.  My old VR-4 was one of them.  In the next couple of days, I'll know about my current VR-4.  The previous owner gapped them to 0.034 before I bought the car, and I pulled them this weekend and put them all back to 0.039.  Humpty should be back together again tonight or tomorrow.
 
If you don't have spark blowout, gapping the plugs down 20% from the factory rating will decrease both your fuel economy and your power, all else equal.
 
I have a suspicion that some spark blowout problems can be resolved by better grounding (the dealer who did my 60k before I bought the car attached the rear grounding strap to the EGR bolt rather than the plenum stay!).  No data at this point, but I'm pretty sure we can benefit from some better engine grounding. 
 
- --Erik
'95 VR-4  www.team3s.com/~egross
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:35:01 -0500
From: <jrwooldr@rockwellcollins.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wheel & Tire Question
 
Hey Cody & all you other tire guru's:
 
The boss has given me permission to buy new wheels & tires for my 92 3000GT SL.  All the engine work is done, the suspension pieces are on order now there's just wheels.  I have to do something to get all that extra horsepower on the road.  I'm pretty sure I want to go up to a 17" rim but not sure about 18".   My budget is in the $1500 neighborhood and this is my daily driver.  What should I be looking at?  There are far too many choices.
 
TIA
Jim W
92 3000GT "the money pit"
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:38:32 -0400
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel & Tire Question
 
I would recommend a 17" wheel, 17/8 with a 235 (possibly 245) width tire in what ever is the correct sidewall height as to no totally throw off your speedometer.
 
I am sure Cody will help you out with the details
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:04:00 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheel & Tire Question
 
18"-ers would look great, but your budget is barely enough for 17's, so plan to spend some out of pocket.  New, *budget* rims in 17x8.5" are ~$250 each ($1100, shipped, with NO tax); nice ones (SSR GT-1, for example) are ~$380 each ($1700, shipped, with NO tax).  (Cheap rims can be had for $150 each or so, but they don't fare too well on heavy cars like ours - you'd be throwing your money away, unless you only travel on smooth roads.)  You can preview various wheel choices on your car on the www.TireRack.com website.
 
A lot of folks (including Cody) have raved about the Yoko AVS ES-100, but I don't know current prices in 255/40ZR17 or 245/45ZR17 (stock).  Refer to Cody's "Plus Sizing" page for theory and great info about upgrading your
wheels:  www.Team3S.com/FAQplussizing.htm
 
Best,
- ---Forrest
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:23:50 -0400
From: "Williams, Tommy F" <WilliamsTF@bernstein.com>
Subject: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
Can someone offer the best way to sell a car? I'm looking to sell my NA car that I've owned since they came out and would like to find it a good home......... 
 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:36:19 -0500
From: Matt Costanza <mcostanza@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
Autotrader.com has worked well for a few of my friends. Autotrader.com
seems to get more traffic than autobytel.com.
 
Regards,
- --
Matt Costanza
Austin, Tx USA
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:04:45 -0500
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
Actually, I would definitely 2nd that. I bought my car from a listing on Autotrader.com, I went to Manassas, VA to get it, and I'm from Missouri!! Go autotrader...
    -b
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:14:06 -0400
From: "Ken Lovell" <wklovell@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
I'll add my vote.  Bought mine off Autotrader.com from a listing in Aspen, Colorado and drove it back to Florida.
 
Ken
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:16:00 -0600
From: "Curtis McConnell" <Curtis.McConnell@pulte.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
Bought mine in Florida and drove it back to Aspen!!
 
Curtis McConnell
1995 Vr-4 Spyder
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:46:24 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
Just bought a '94 R/T today !!!  Found it on Autotrader.com
 
Actually can someone do a VIN decode for me  or  Carfax or something if you can.
 
JB3AM54J8RY039024
 
I just want to see if it all checks out...
 
Thanks,
- -Erik
 
(good luck with selling your car!)
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:44:46 -0400
From: "Williams, Tommy F" <WilliamsTF@bernstein.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T
 
Thanks all - I placed the add and it's up already.  I recently bought a 1996 VR-4 so I'll have to let the other 3S go.
 
http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/results.jtmpl?model=STEAL&start_year=1991&end_year=1991&min_price=&max_price=&distance=25&advanced=y&advcd_on=n&make=DODGE&address=11590&search_type=used&x=37&y=12
 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:23:41 -0400
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@spamcop.net>
Subject: Vin decoding (was: RE: Team3S: Best way to sell a Stealth R/T)
 
Erik,
 
From the manual (or Team3S VIN page or Dave Black's webpage) the letter designations appear to decode to:
   J = Country = Japan
   B = Make = Dodge
   3 = Vehicle type = Passenger car
   A = Model = Driver and Passenger air bags
   M = Line = Stealth FWD
   5 = Price class = Sports
   4 = Body = 3-door Hatchback
   J = Engine = 3.0 dm3 (181.4 cu.in.) <DOHC-MFI>
   8 = Check digit
   R = Model year = 1994
   Y = Plant = Nagoya-I Plant
   039024 = Serial number
 
We'll let Carfax determine the rest.
 
- --Flash!
 
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