Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Saturday, April 5
2003 Volume 02 : Number 122
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:57:31 -0600
From: "Jason" <
Jason@garagedynamics.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Complete information on stock intake manifold and stock exhaust
manifolds
Hello everyone,
I've been searching for some answers lately as to the extent and
engineering behind the stock intake manifold and the stock exhaust manifolds. I
was wondering if anyone had any literature handy over the manifolds, (i.e.
cracking point, flowing characteristics,
alternatives...)
Also, is anyone on the waiting list for the TD05 Adapter plates?
Thank you in advance,
Jason
Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
GarageDynamics.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 02:57:26 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: fading black trim
I think the product is called "Back-to-Black" and if that isn't in the
Mother's line then it works wonders as well.
- --Flash!
Black 1995-1/2 VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Forrest
Sent: Thursday, April
03, 2003 19:29
Hey, Darlene,
I've heard rumors about using everything from transmission
fluid (don't let it touch the car finish!), to shoe polish and furniture
cleaners... But our resident "detailing" expert is Gregg Couture, and his
suggestion is for a "Mother's" product made for this type of trim. Gregg's
Detailing Page is on our website, Check the Team3S FAQ Index Page, in the
Cosmetics section. Best, Forrest
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 05:31:24 -0500
From: "Arthurs Family" <
arthursfam@madbbs.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Parts for TT rebuild
Greetings,
The engine from my '92 Stealth TT is now apart to the last nut &
bolt. I have identified the parts needed from the CAPS program. I
have 2 questions I'd like to put forth:
1. Without having to be a "phone shopper" to all the vendors on the
"good guys" list, can you suggest which vendor has the best "in stock for
immediate shipping" history?
2. If I purchase the complete engine overhaul gasket set,
will this include EVERY gasket needed to put this thing back together
again? I don't want to find myself out in the garage Saturday night, and
finding out I need a banjo bolt seal from the turbo cooling line!
Any insight on these 2 subjects greatly appreciated. Any other tips
on the project I'm about to undertake are most welcome too!
Thank you,
Jon Arthurs
Jamestown, NY
'92 Stealth RT/TT
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 03:10:56 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Last call for racing at Thunderhill this weekend!
Hey, folks,
We're going to have a nice contingent of Team3S members this weekend.
Some people watching..., some of us on the track. Come and join us!
Group 1 and Group 2 are full, but they still have a few openings in Groups
3 and 4. Sign up ASAP.
www.nasaproracing.com Don't forget
- you pay the full price on the website ($299 for the weekend) and you'll get a
rebate back from NASA under their 5-for-4 program - which is ONLY for
Team3S. (Between $35 and $60 bucks back - depends on how many folks sign
up).
We'll all be gathering (roughly) opposite the big green tent at the snack
bar. You'll see us! If you're too chicken to get out on the track, then
come to watch US have fun! Ride as a passenger for $5 - someone will lend
you a helmet. There's a free BBQ Saturday nite PLUS it's my birthday
weekend, so we're having a little get-together after the BBQ...
Be there!!!
Forrest
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:14:41 -0500 (EST)
From:
kimbyrd@webtv.net (Kimberly
Byrd)
Subject: Team3S: idle problems
I am having a problem with my 1994 3000GT na. The car runs good for a few
miles and then after it is warmed up it dies if you come to a stop. As long as
you keep your foot on the gas, you're okay, but when you stop, it will not
idle. The throttle body has been cleaned and treatment has been put into the gas
tank the clean the injectors, etc. Any ideas on what the problem might be?
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:20:11 -0500
From: "John Monnin" <
John.Monnin@3si.zzn.com>
Subject:
RE:Team3S: Is stroker motor kit a good idea for Turbo engine?
2 Different people on 3si called the stroker engine kit manufacturer
and he is modifying new stock cranks for the extra stroke. I don't
really like the idea of welding on material and offset grinding to
get
the additional stroke.
There is an another company that will make a billet stroker crank
only
for $2200, with new rods and pistons that gets pretty steep.
Dynamic racing claims they have run 8300 RPM with stock internals. I
would make an un-scientific assumption that a stroker kit using good
forged parts would still be reliable at stock RPM limit of 7300.
I looked at a spare 4-bolt shortblock I have in my garage and it
looks
like the rod ends are between 1/4" and ½” from the main bearing
cradle. If the crank through was increased by very much the cradle
might have to be relieved. I was hoping to rebuild this engine in
the next year or 2 with forged internals and a stroker might be a
nice option.
John Monnin
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:09:05 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Ouch, Found my boost leak :(
I searched CAPS, and can't find it anywhere.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Spainhour
[mailto:spainhou@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:18 PM
Hey Jeff,
Any idea what the part number is on the black piece of plastic that holds
the wiring harness for the injectors that is in your picture?
Joseph
93 VR-4
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:12:21 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Parts for TT rebuild
I don't know the answer to Question 2, but as to Question 1, I buy all my
parts from Conicelli (Partznet.com), and (1) have never had a mixup, and (2)
have always received my parts within days--even items that Conicelli needed to
special order. They are also a bit cheaper than
mitsupartsdirect.com.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Arthurs Family
[mailto:arthursfam@madbbs.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 5:31 AM
Greetings,
The engine from my '92 Stealth TT is now apart to the last nut & bolt.
I have identified the parts needed from the CAPS program. I have 2
questions I'd like to put forth:
1. Without having to be a "phone shopper" to all the vendors on the
"good guys" list, can you suggest which vendor has the best "in stock for
immediate shipping" history?
2. If I purchase the complete engine overhaul gasket set,
will this include EVERY gasket needed to put this thing back together
again? I don't want to find myself out in the garage Saturday night, and
finding out I need a banjo bolt seal from the turbo cooling line!
Any insight on these 2 subjects greatly appreciated. Any other tips
on the project I'm about to undertake are most welcome too!
Thank you,
Jon Arthurs
Jamestown, NY
'92 Stealth RT/TT
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:13:14 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: idle problems
Stepper motor.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kimberly Byrd
[mailto:kimbyrd@webtv.net]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:15 AM
I am having a problem with my 1994 3000GT na. The car runs good for a few
miles and then after it is warmed up it dies if you come to a stop. As long as
you keep your foot on the gas, you're okay, but when you stop, it will not
idle. The throttle body has been cleaned and treatment has been put into the gas
tank the clean the injectors, etc. Any ideas on what the problem might be?
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:32:46 -0700
From: Chip Greenberg <
chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: fading black trim
I second Mother's Back-to-Black. Used in over the weekend to bring my
trim up to snuff and made a big difference.
Chip
92 Stealth RT
tt
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Darlene Madden wrote:
> I am getting ready to repaint my 93 Stealth ES and asked the body shop
> if they can buff out the black trim that goes around the roof of the
> car from front to back and goes under the rear spoiler. He didn't
> sound too encouraging. Anybody have any ideas?
>
> Darlene
Madden,
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:52:53 +0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: Parts for TT rebuild
> 2. If I purchase the complete engine
overhaul
> gasket set, will this include EVERY gasket needed
> to
put this thing back together again? I don't
> want to find myself
out in the garage Saturday
> night, and finding out I need a banjo bolt
seal
> from the turbo cooling line!
Yes, it includes everything that you'll need for engine gaskets (including
plenum gaskets, manifold gaskets, turbo gaskets, crush washers, etc.
If you
took other things apart in the engine bay (AC compressor, P/S lines,
fuel
filter, etc.) that stuff isn't included. Just things that bolt
onto/into the
engine.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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I have a 92 TT and recently upgraded to 550cc injectors, new wires (Accell
8mm), plugs (NGK), ARC2, ARM1, DR650 Turbos, Denso Fuel pump, larger
intercoolers, and boost controller. The problem is that when I start the
car in my garage, there is no problem. When I take it to work and leave it
outdoors for 6+ hours, the car will flood. This has happened both times I took
it to work. Have not had this problem at any other time. Just got it
put together, so there is not much historical data I can give. Anybody
have any idea why this is happening? Troy
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:40:32 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: Team3S: new
tires
Hey guys,
Thanks to all who helped me make up my mind on this. I ended up going
w/ the yoko es100 in a 245/45 zr17.
Initial reactions - wow. Granted I went from dry-rotten, worn out
goodyears, but still - wow. I got a chance to go through a nice downpour
yesterday. Going through a good few inches of water (enough that before, I would
have been hydroplaning and pulling to the side like crazy) I didn't even feel
it.
Plus they look mean ;)
Thanks,
Alex.
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:28:05 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Is stroker motor kit a good idea for Turbo engine?
> Dynamic racing claims they have run 8300 RPM with stock
internals. I
> would make an un-scientific assumption that a
stroker kit using good
> forged parts would still be reliable at stock
RPM limit of 7300.
To throw some numbers at it, the stroke on the new crank (3.242") is 8.36%
longer than on the stock one(2.992"). Since maximum piston acceleration is
(per the equation you listed: Accmax = rpm x rpm x S x (L + R/L)/2189)
linearly proportional to the stroke, that would mean that the new rev limit
would be 92.3% of the old one. If the "stock internals limit" (per DR) is
8300RPM, this would mean you could use the stroker crank at 7660RPM and have the
same piston acceleration. If that's all you have to be concerned about*,
then it looks like the factory 7300RPM limiter would be fine.
- --Erik
*Note: I ain't no engine builder, and I just used the numbers and equations
you provided. Take it with a grain o salt :-)
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:44:36 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
Team3S: AVC-R for sale
Ok I have a new style Apex-i AVCR for sale (the blue screen model), I
includes all instructions and the original box it came in.
Now for issues, does NOT include vacuum line filters or vacuum lines and
the outer wiring harness insulation is damaged in two places (wires inside and
their insulation is undamaged)
Asking 150 + shipping FIRM, cheapest I have found brand new is 471 at
Gruppe-S.com
RESPOND OFF LIST IF INTERESTED.
Russ F
CT
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:36:30 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Complete information on stock intake manifold and stock exhaust
manifolds
I'm #2 on the original list - I've been following them for over a
year. :-)
- - Brian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason
[mailto:Jason@garagedynamics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:58
PM
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've been searching for
some answers lately as to the extent and
> engineering behind the stock
intake manifold and the stock exhaust
> manifolds. I was wondering if
anyone had any literature handy over the
> manifolds, (i.e. cracking
point, flowing characteristics,
> alternatives...)
>
> Also,
is anyone on the waiting list for the TD05 Adapter plates?
>
>
Thank you in advance,
>
> Jason
> Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
>
GarageDynamics.com
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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 19:07:22 +0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: TD05 adaptor plates
> I'm #2 on the original list - I've been following
> them for
over a year. :-)
I'm on the list too. I think #15 or so. I don't have the cash
for "real"
TD05 headers, and had heard negative comments about the DN
Performance headers
not fitting properly. I'll be starting out with a
pair of 14Bs. If I need
more (which I doubt for my goals), I'll
upgrade to Big 16Gs.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:43:33 -0600
From: "Jason" <
Jason@garagedynamics.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Complete information on stock intake manifold and stock exhaust
manifolds
Hello Everyone,
Yes, that is correct, I work with Marcus, also with Chris (Twin
Turbo
SC300) and Mike (Built Auto 98 Supra)!
I, personally, will be going with two small 16gs off the bat. I'm going to
be tuning using the MAF Translator from an LS6 and fine tuning with an SAFC with
adequate fuel. The local LS1s will not know what just hit them.
In addition to the power aspect of the car, I will be lightening the car as
much as possible while not being too noticeable, such as very lightweight wheels
(Buddy Club weighing ~14 lbs a piece for 18x9), taking out some of the Active
Aero/Suspension, carbon fiber hatch and hood painted to match the car, and
carbon fiber driveshaft. In addition to that, I may put in racing seats although
it may compromise my "bone stock" appearance which I will be taking advantage
of.
Best Regards,
Jason
Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
GarageDynamics.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dustin Lenz
[mailto:deviousz@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:40 AM
You must work with Marcus correct?
Dustin
Hello everyone,
I've been searching for some answers lately as to the extent and
engineering behind the stock intake manifold and the stock exhaust manifolds. I
was wondering if anyone had any literature handy over the manifolds, (i.e.
cracking point, flowing characteristics,
alternatives...)
Also, is anyone on the waiting list for the TD05 Adapter plates?
Thank you in advance,
Jason
Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
GarageDynamics.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:32:54 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Complete information on stock intake manifold and stock exhaust
manifolds
Jason -
If you're not already aware of them, you need to hop on over the 3si.org
and read a couple of discussions on this Small 16G vs Big 16G vs 14B
subject. These threads are for our engine, not the DSM engine.
:)
On the 2L 4G63 engine, the small 16G is definitely the better turbo.
But on the 6G72 engine, which effectively has a 1.5L displacement (two turbos,
remember!), I and several others believe that the small 16G is inferior to both
the Big 16G and the 14B.
- - Brian
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:37:34 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <
jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject:
Team3S: new style adjusters
Mitsupartsdirect quoted the following:
MD377054 adjusters $27.92 ea x 24
I've heard conflicting reports, so once and for all: do they really
eliminate the ticking? Even if they do, it's hard to justify $670 to
eliminate a harmless (but irritating) noise - ouch!
*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://www.the-matthews.com/stealth.htmlJet
Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0
bar @ 64% BADC) A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery Redline synth fluids
(trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy) Cryoed rotors, R4S pads, braided lines,
red calipers Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph G-Tech Pro:
0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph 1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 367 SAE HP, 354
lb-ft torque
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:41:03 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: new style adjusters
We need to get a hold of Paul from Diablo Car Audio he was offering them
for about half that price and I need them as part of my rebuild.
I sent him an email to the address listed on his website and still haven't
gotten a response....
PAUL YOU OUT HERE
Russ F
CT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Matthews
[mailto:jim@the-matthews.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:38 PM
Mitsupartsdirect quoted the following:
MD377054 adjusters $27.92 ea x 24
I've heard conflicting reports, so once and for all: do they really
eliminate the ticking? Even if they do, it's hard to justify $670 to
eliminate a harmless (but irritating) noise - ouch!
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:53:31 -0700
From: Chip Greenberg <
chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: new style adjusters
jim, I had the new ones put in a few years ago before the car was out
of (extended) warranty. I paid for half the lifters, the dealer got
Mitsubishi to pay for the other half, labor , etc.
the ticking is back 40,000 Mobil One highway miles later....
On Friday,
April 4, 2003, at 02:37 PM, Jim Matthews wrote:
> Mitsupartsdirect quoted the following:
>
> MD377054
adjusters $27.92 ea x 24
>
> I've heard conflicting reports, so once
and for all: do they really
> eliminate the ticking? Even if they
do, it's hard to justify $670 to
> eliminate a harmless (but irritating)
noise - ouch!
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:34:01 -0800 (PST)
From: John Cipolletti <
cipxyzb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
POWER AND PERFORMANCE BOOST WITH A SUPERCHARGER??
I know many of you have turbo boosted engines but can
a supercharger kit
boost performance on a Stealth ES?
Are there such kits? Are they
expensive? Will there
be problems if a supercharger is put on?
John Cip
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:38:00 -0800 (PST)
From: John Cipolletti <
cipxyzb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
CAN ADDITIVES IMPROVE PERFORMANCE?
I have been told by some that by using a gas additive
this would improve
the performance of the injectors in
older cars. I have been also told
that oil additives
like slick 50 will improve performance and help
protect
older engines. Are these additives safe and
do they work?
John Cip
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:28:00 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
CAN ADDITIVES IMPROVE PERFORMANCE?
With the exception of fuel injector cleaner now and then I don't think
anybody on this board would recommend any of the infomercial additives for use
on anything but an old beater.
Jim
Berry
======================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cipolletti" <
cipxyzb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April
04, 2003 7:38 PM
> I have been told by some that by using a gas additive
> this
would improve the performance of the injectors in
> older cars. I
have been also told that oil additives
> like slick 50 will improve
performance and help
> protect older engines. Are these additives
safe and
> do they work?
>
>
John Cip
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:38:32 +0100
From: "Jim Matthews" <
jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: new style adjusters
I wonder why it returned? argh
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chip Greenberg
Sent: Friday, April
04, 2003 10:54 PM
jim, I had the new ones put in a few years ago before the car was out of
(extended) warranty. I paid for half the lifters, the dealer got Mitsubishi to
pay for the other half, labor , etc.
the ticking is back 40,000 Mobil One highway miles later....
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#122
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