Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Tuesday, March 11
2003 Volume 02 : Number 101
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If you have air in there, yes, if not..no. Once most cars hit 35mph,
the ABS pumps cycle after startup..thats the most you'd have to do.
If you didn't allow air in there, you wont have an issue.
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Labonte, Dan wrote:
> Is it true that the car needs to be running while bleeding the
brakes
> due to the ABS system? It took me about 20min to do all
four with the
> Speed Bleeder (not including install of new
bleeders).
>
> Dan Labonte
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:55:16 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <
jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: dodge stealth 92- Errors in ECU Memory
The service manual notes that error codes (diagnosis memory) are erased
from the ECU when backup power is removed from the ECU for 10 seconds or more.
There are 3 ways to do this.
- - remove one or both cables from the main battery
- - remove fuse #19
from the multi-purpose fuse (by the drivers left leg)
- - disconnect the
harness from the ECU (may not be a good idea if the main battery is still
connected)
As mentioned, the diagnosis memory can also be erased using the MUT to send
the "malfunction code erase signal" or by placing the ECU in Diagnosis Mode 2
and then disconnecting the MUT.
Service manuals for all Dodge Stealths are available from the source below
(in the USA).
Daimler-Chrysler Publications
800-890-4038 M-F 8a-8p EST
$59: '91-'95
Stealth Service Manuals
$90: 1996 Stealth Service Manual
$12: 1991 Stealth
Body Repair Manual
$10: '91-'96 Owner's Manuals
Also, you do not need a MUT to read the error codes in the 1992 Stealth.
The service manual explains how to use an analog voltmeter to read the
codes.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bureau d'Etudes et Conseils
Techniques Dr.Ing. R e n a t o F R A N Z E L L I N" <
franzellin@monaco377.com>
Sent:
Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:29 PM
Through the Diagnostic Connector the Mitsu dealer connects the
MUT (multi
utility terminal) and reads if eventual electronic
errors happened and then he resets them.
If we do not have a MUT is there a system to eliminate-reset the resident
errors ?
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:12:24 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Factory Alarm Randomly Activating?
Posting for a friend who's not on the list:
The car is a '94 VR-4. Quite often, the alarm goes off for no
apparent reason - no doors have been opened and the trunk is latched.
The only thing my friend can think of is that the problems started soon
after he poured a little water/baking soda solution on the positive terminal of
the battery to clean up some acid buildup. I don't know of any alarm
components in that area, so I'm not sure the alarm problems are associated with
the battery cleanup.
Ideas or things to check, other than the door and trunk switches?
Common causes?
Thanks,
- -Erik
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:18:31 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Factory Alarm Randomly Activating?
I had a similar problem with my 93 when I first got it --- turned out to be
the hood switch. It's located at the right front of the hood and I just bent the
bracket up slightly to get better contact with the hood. I'm sure a bad contact
on a door switch could do the same thing.
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original Message
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From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
> Posting for a friend who's not on the list:
>
> The car
is a '94 VR-4. Quite often, the alarm goes off for no
> apparent
reason - no doors have been opened and the trunk is latched.
>
>
Ideas or things to check, other than the door and trunk switches?
> Common
causes?
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:48:02 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Brake Job help
The 35 mph number is for the AWS, it kicks in at 35 mph. I'm not sure if
and when the ABS pump runs and I'm too lazy to look, BUT, I think it runs
anytime the car is running.
Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> If you have air in there, yes, if not..no. Once most cars hit
35mph,
> the ABS pumps cycle after startup..thats the most you'd have to
do.
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Its pretty common in Bosch ABS systems to cycle at 35mph.
At least in the 1st and 2nd gen systems (not cars..bosch systems).
Its the only way to get air outta the pumps on Supras.
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:06:08 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: OT: AutoX School 03/16/2003 in Bremerton, WA, USA
Per list rules, please keep replies off list...
For anyone not on the local NWS3 list, there is an Autocross school this
Sunday at Bremerton Raceway (off of SR16 in Bremerton, WA). Looks like
we're gonna have 8+ 3000GTs/Stealths there. If you're interested, please
e-mail me privately and I'll get you the details. There will be
mini-caravans from multiple places throughout the I-5 corridor, so if you want
to get in on that, I'll get you in touch with whoever is in your specific
area.
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:42:02 -0500
From: "Jim Fay" <
jfay@tssu.com>
Subject: Team3S:
The antilock brake pump only runs when the antilock system is required
during braking. It also does a self check by running for a second or two
the first time the car moves above 3 mph in forward or reverse after the car is
started. I can see no reason to have the car running during a bleeding or
changing of the fluid. The book does indicate the car should be running,
but I have changed my fluid yearly and have never had the car running and never
had problems with air or the antilock system after changing fluid.
Jim
91 RTTT
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:18:27 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
As Geoff said, it may have to do with purging any air from the ABS unit. If
you're just bleeding after a brake change or getting rid of old fluid it may not
be an issue.
Jim Berry
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:42:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Philip V Glazatov
<
gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re:
Team3S:
Not only do the ABS-equipped cars have to have the engine running when
bleeding the brakes, but also some cars must have their ABS pump actually cycled
with an OEM diagnostics tool to purge all the air out.
Last time I checked with a Mitsu dealer they never heard of that, so I
assume cycling the pump is not required on Mitsubishis. But the manual says that
the engine must be running while when bleeding the brakes.
Philip
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This is a terrific link, showing what a moron does by downshifting to
second gear before/during a high speed turnin.
It really doesn't have anything to do with putting new tires on the
rear.
Chuck Willis
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:32:45 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
The reason for the engine running during bleeding is so the vacuum assist
helps you push fluid through the ABS unit. Ever try to do it with the engine
off? Major, major legwork.
Omar
92 r/t
- -----Original Message-----
From: Philip V Glazatov
Sent: Tuesday,
March 11, 2003 10:43 AM
Not only do the ABS-equipped cars have to have the engine running when
bleeding the brakes, but also some cars must have their ABS pump actually cycled
with an OEM diagnostics tool to purge all the air out.
Last time I checked with a Mitsu dealer they never heard of that, so I
assume cycling the pump is not required on Mitsubishis. But the manual says that
the engine must be running while when bleeding the brakes.
Philip
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*** There are separate master cylinders, reservoirs, and boosters for the
brake system and the clutch. There is also a clutch slave cylinder that
sometimes leaks hydraulic fluid. Yes, you can get air in the clutch system, and
you can bleed it from/through the slave cylinder. How is your transaxle
fluid? When was the last time you drained and refilled it?
Chuck Willis
The owner's manual would seem
to indicate that both the clutch and
brakes run from the same master cylinder. Upon checking, I found the cap
loose.
Is it
possible that I have air in the system and this is
affecting the clutch? How would I correct this?
94 R/T TT 6sp AWD, complete engine and turbo rebuild 4K miles (74K)
ago.
Thanks, -ear
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You disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes and the errors
disappear. When you reconnect the battery, the system executes self-diagnostics,
if the error condition still exists, the error code is set again.
Chuck Willis
If we do not have a MUT is there a system to eliminate-reset the resident
errors ?
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Flash,
That's not the bleeding sequence listed in my service manual. It's RR, LF,
LR, then RF.
Up until last year, I did it with the engine off. Only recently have
I been doing it with the engine running, at your suggestion to get the ABS pump
running.
Chuck Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Darren Schilberg
[mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:46 AM
I think the procedure is RR, RF, LR, LF (you want to finish at the corner
closest to the ABS pump and on our car it is the RF). Starting the car is
recommended (manual says that I think) but someone else also mentioned that the
ABS pump might not flush the fluid through itself unless the ABS is
active. I'm not sure if anyone ever clarified that one yet.
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:01:10 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Brake Job help
Sorry - brain fade. I was thinking opposite corners and listed it
incorrectly. Thanks, Chuck. You can see it is messed up since the LF
is not even the right corner where the ABS pump is. Apologies but thanks
for the catch.
- --Flash!
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Oh no! It was just an illustration that shows what happens when rear tires
lose grip before the front ones do. Some aggressive drivers that they are such
good drivers that they would catch the rear end as soon as it starts stepping
out. But the fact is that most people do not even have time to turn the front
wheels out when that starts happening. Sometimes it all happens so fast and
unexpected!
Philip
> This is a terrific link, showing what a moron does by downshifting to
> second gear before/during a high speed turnin.
> It really doesn't have anything to do with putting new tires on
the
> rear.
> Chuck Willis
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Nevertheless, it is still a TERRIFIC link!
A stupid mistake is really not a complete failure if you can learn
something from it. In this case, lots of people get to learn from
it. The accident analysis was really very good!
Chuck Willis
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Just picked up my '93 VR4 from the dealer from the transfer case
recall. They replaced the seals on the transfer case. Funny thing is
that this was the one I paid $350 to have the seals replaced when I replaced the
clutch about a year and a half ago. I had been hoping they would say it
was alright so I could get my $350 back from Mitsubishi! Hack, I'm just
glad to have a non-leaking transfer case.
The '94 VR4 (still covered under extended warranty) did not need the seals
replaced.
Chuck Willis
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:28:04 -0600
From: "Patrick Purviance" <
purdaddy@associatedsys.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: results of transfer case recall X2
Once long ago, I had replaced the fuel rails on a '93 Chrysler Concorde
that subsequently were recalled a month or so after I had paid almost $600 to
have it done. When the recall was issued, I contacted Chrysler and they
said that because I had paid for the first, they would reimburse me. And
because the first would have been done with the same faulty parts, they'd do
recall as well. So I got my money back and got the recall done.
Not sure if this transfer case recall is on par since the parts may not be
new designs, but it still may be worth your effort to give Mitsu a call and find
out.
Good luck!
Patrick Purviance
'94 Stealth R/T TT, 59k miles, Open Air Intake, 1g DSM
BOV, Blitz DATT Wichita, KS
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