Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, March 5
2003 Volume 02 : Number 096
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:07:34 EST
From:
TurboDrvn@aol.comSubject: Re:Team3S: Ok,
I guess I am not going with Enkei though I want it really bad
My second attempt to Team 3S......I hope this goes thru and I apologize for
the repeat email if it occurs twice.
Hello to some of my old 3/S friends!
I have been out of the Team 3S loop for quite sometime. I only
subscribe to
the Digest version. By chance, I caught the post
from Lim Yong re: the
Enkei wheels and wanted to inform you all that I
have a brand new set (still
in wrapper/boxes) of Enkei RP-O1 lightweight (I
believe they weigh in at
17lbs. each without tires) Racing wheels in
Polished/Silver look. The size
is 17x 9 with a 42mm offset. I
loved these wheels so much when I first
purchased them about 4 or 5 years
ago that I got 2 sets of them for my 1992
3000GT VR4. One set for
daily driving and one set for Racing/Strip/road
courses/and shows.
Obviously I never needed the extra set hence they
remained in their boxes
and are still brand new. So they are available, if
anyone or Lim Yong
is interested.
Make me an offer......they are still brand new and I never took them out of
their respective boxes. Please don't reply back on this
mailing list since
I rarely check it. Please make sure to email
privately me at:
Talk to you soon.
A.A
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:35:16 -0600
> From: "Lim, Yong H
SPC" <
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
>
Subject: Team3S: Ok, I guess I am not going with Enkei though I want
>
it
> really bad
>
> Well, this time around, the rep is saying
that 17*8 is not going to
> clear the calipers and 17*9 might be difficult
to fit in. He told me
> that the wheel sizes are similar to that of
Nissan 350z coupe and the
> selections there are pretty much same with
what's showing on speedfactors.net.
>
> My choice is really limited
to two wheels now I guess:
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:51:13 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Blue Book on 92 Stealth R/T Turbo
That value sounds about right, if not a little high. Depreciation
sucks! :(
- -----Original Message-----
From: Richard L. Barron
[mailto:radanc@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:59 PM
Anyone know what the going rate for one is in good shape? Mine is going to
be totaled and I found one reference that only has around $9,500 for in
excellent condition! What is fair market value?
Rich
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:51:13 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Blue Book on 92 Stealth R/T Turbo
That value sounds about right, if not a little high. Depreciation
sucks! :(
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:18:28 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
Geoff,
That was a kit a 3si member put together like Brad did. He offered three
different rotors and a professionally done bracket. I got the 13 inch
crossdrilled heavy duty rotors (they only came cd in that size) then. It was too
much hassle for him and he gave all the information to Matt @ DynamicRacing. I
don't know what he did with that kit so far.
- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Gesendet:
Dienstag, 4. März 2003 18:31
Betreff: RE: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2
- I Got a VR4!
> Roger:
>
> Can you give me a Wilwood part-number for that
kit?
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:29:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Building a Track Car Part2 - I Got a VR4!
Ohh..well, Id hate to step on Matt, but..if hes listening, and hes no
longer interested in engineering the kit..
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Roger Gerl wrote:
> Geoff,
>
> That was a kit a 3si member put together like
Brad did. He offered
> three different rotors and a professionally done
bracket. I got the 13
> inch crossdrilled heavy duty rotors (they only
came cd in that size)
> then. It was too much hassle for him and he gave
all the information
> to Matt @ DynamicRacing. I don't know what he did
with that kit so
> far.
>
> Roger G.
>
93'&96'3000GT TT
>
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:58:30 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
p/n lookup
This is the piece I'm talking about. On my headlight there are some
threaded holes. It appears that the piece in the picture is also screwed in. Am
I wrong? Is it one piece?
Alex.
- -----Original Message-----
From: cody
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003
11:31 AM
There is no part number. That piece is "built-in" to the headlight...
If you don't have it, you will need to fabricate something to hold it in
place.
On my car, I purchased '94 Stealth headlights and they have the attachment
piece. The only other headlights to have it are the true 99
lights...
- -Cody
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:12:03 -0500
From: Jim Smith <
jhsmith@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Newbie Question: Rear Struts
I just bought a 1992 Stealth, Base model, with the SOHC engine for my
son. Upon Maryland state inspection, they said the rear struts need to be
replaced. Anyone have a brand they could recommend. I don't want to
lower the car, just get it through inspection!
Thanks!
Jim Smith
- --
Blaming the gun for murder, is like
blaming the car for hit and run!
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:34:23 -0800
From: Admin-Team3S <
bforrest@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Newbie Question: Rear Struts
From: "Jim Smith" <
jhsmith@erols.com>
> I just bought
a 1992 Stealth, Base model, with the SOHC engine for my
> son. Upon
Maryland state inspection, they said the rear struts need
> to be
replaced. Anyone have a brand they could recommend. I don't
> want
to lower the car, just get it through inspection!
> Thanks!
> Jim
Smith
- -----------------------------
The stock struts are fine, available from any Mitsu Dealer (usually cheaper
than Dodge). We also have many dealers listed on our "Good Guys" Vendor
Page (Check our Team3S FAQ Index Page for listing) who will sell them via the
net and give you a 25% discount (San Rafael, Conicelli, Tallahassee...).
The KYB replacements for the stock struts (they make the OEM stock struts, too)
are available all over, try 3SXPerformance.com, part #341183 for non-ECS base
Stealth 91-96. Good luck!
- ---Forrest
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:18:35 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
3S-Racers: RE: Team3S: OTC drivers needed
Looking for MR2 Spyder turbo co-driver
One of our co-drivers backed out because of financial reasons. Drop me a
note (
yoo@best.com) if you're interested.
We're campaigning a BMW 330i in T4 and a Miata in U4.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:40:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
RE: 3S-Racers: RE: Team3S: OTC drivers needed
Id love to..I wanted to do the OTC, but I cant afford the bill.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:58:07 -0800
From: "Dean Benz" <
dbenz@vchillclimb.org>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Newbie Question: Rear Struts
If all you want to do is pass inspection, find a decent set of used stocks
from a wrecker, or someone local who has done a coilover upgrade.
I'd sell you mine for a reasonable price, but the effort to pull off the
springs, and shipping would make anything local cheaper I think.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Admin-Team3S" <
bforrest@pacbell.net>
Sent:
Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:34 PM
> From: "Jim Smith" <
jhsmith@erols.com>
> > I just
bought a 1992 Stealth, Base model, with the SOHC engine for
> > my
son. Upon Maryland state inspection, they said the rear
> struts
need to be replaced. Anyone have a brand they could
>
recommend. I don't want to lower the car, just get it through
>
inspection!
> > Thanks!
> > Jim Smith
>
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>
The stock struts are fine, available
from any Mitsu Dealer (usually
cheaper than Dodge). We also have many
dealers listed on our "Good Guys"
Vendor Page (Check our Team3S FAQ Index
Page for listing) who will sell
them via the net and give you a 25% discount
(San Rafael, Conicelli,
Tallahassee...). The KYB replacements for the
stock struts (they make
the OEM stock struts, too) are available all over,
try
3SXPerformance.com, part #341183 for non-ECS base Stealth 91-96.
Good luck!
---Forrest
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:58:07 -0800
From: "Dean Benz" <
dbenz@vchillclimb.org>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Newbie Question: Rear Struts
If all you want to do is pass inspection, find a decent set of used stocks
from a wrecker, or someone local who has done a coilover upgrade.
I'd sell you mine for a reasonable price, but the effort to pull off the
springs, and shipping would make anything local cheaper I think.
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:14:29 -0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: p/n lookup
Odd, that's what the piece I am talking about looks like, but mine is
integral to the headlight assembly...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko
Sent: Tuesday, March
04, 2003 4:59 PM
This is the piece I'm talking about. On my headlight there are some
threaded holes. It appears that the piece in the picture is also screwed in. Am
I wrong? Is it one piece?
Alex.
- -----Original Message-----
From: cody
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003
11:31 AM
There is no part number. That piece is "built-in" to the headlight...
If you don't have it, you will need to fabricate something to hold it in
place.
On my car, I purchased '94 Stealth headlights and they have the attachment
piece. The only other headlights to have it are the true 99
lights...
- -Cody
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:31:04 -0800
From: "Chris Winkley & Teri
Beaman" <
cwinkley@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tire comparison
Cody...
If you deal with Michelin Pilot Sports everyday, what do you know about the
tread and belt separation problem I've heard about with the new Pilot Sports? I
have a set of MXX3 Pilots that have been absolutely fantastic.
Expensive,
yes, but the best things in life are never free. :-)
I have had at least a dozen sets of Michelin tires over the years and have
ALWAYS been very satisfied with their performance, including those used on
commuter cars on our wet Oregon roads (my VR4 doesn't travel on wet pavement).
The rumors I've heard about tread and belt separation under high speeds would be
very nasty. I've been known to set the cruise control at 145 mph on I-5 south
through California, I don't think it would be fun to have a tire fly apart at
that speed. I wanted to get a set of the XGT-Z4's but was told they've been
discontinued.
I've also heard people complain about Toyo Proxes T1 tires but I recently
had a set of 265X35-18 mounted on my second set of rims. While they have a
higher treadwear rating (meaning the compound is harder) they feel excellent on
the street and are bound to last years at the rate I use them plus the were only
$1300 for the set, mounted and balanced. Your opinion???
BTW...aren't most of the Kumho tires designed for track use? I didn't know
they had gotten into street tires. Assuming they're rated A (traction) and A
(temperature), what's the treadwear rating? The MXX3's are very soft, I doubt
they have more than 10K miles on them and they're getting near the Nader bars. I
think the treadwear is 120 or 140. I thought the Kumho's a friend is running on
his Viper are something like 80, but they're heat cycled and clearly for the
track, the one little tread groove is designed to make them " street
legal".
Looking forward...Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Sent: Monday,
March 03, 2003 9:00 PM
Kumho 712's are great tires, better than the Sumitomo's actually, from
comparisons of many different people. I like my Kumho 712's, but switched
to Yokohama AVS ES100's on my Talon, and might do the same on my 3000 as
well... They cost pennies more, and are well worth it. People compare the
ES100 to Michelin Pilot Sports (which is a very high priced tire)...
Another tire you might look into is the Kumho Ecsta MX. It costs
roughly 30% more than the 712, but again, read some reviews - it plays up there
with the big boys, above the Michelin Pilot Sport, and right along with the
BFGoodrich T/A KD, which is considered the highest performing street tire
available. (meaning not a track tire you can drive on the street)
- -Cody
(FYI, I deal with this stuff every day)
<snip>
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:54:02 -0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tire comparison
We are the nations largest single independent supplier of Michelin
tires. I have not seen one single Pilot Sport come in with a tread belt
separation. Not to say it isn't possible, and that there aren't problems,
but we deal with a lot of Pilot Sports both OE and OE replacement, and when you
call Michelin with a warranty problem, they send you to Discount Tire first (if
there is one semi-close)... In fact, I have never replaced a Michelin
Pilot Sport due to any type of defect, and when looking through our adjustment
rates, Michelins account for very very little of the defective units. You
could literally take our most reliable tire, divide its defect rate by 4, and
get how many Michelin defects we have. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S have W or
Y speed ratings, depending on size. True Pilot Sports have W, Y, or true Z
ratings. A true Z-rated tire (found this out for sure) means you must call
the manufacturer, and give the exact load the tire will be carrying, before they
will tell you what speed it is good for. The MXX3's are great tires, but
the Pilot's have always been available for about the same price and are a better
day to day driver.
IMO, the XGT series of tires is utter crap compared to the other Michelins
available now. The differences are so huge, and the XGT's don't run that
good either (ride quality/noise).
Treadwear rating does not always mean they have a harder compound
either. It just means it should last longer. There are other ways to
make a tire last longer - better head shedding characteristics, deeper tread to
start, overall construction, and type of materials in the tread.
We don't carry a whole lot of Toyo stuff, but the T1-S is supposedly a
great tire. I special ordered a set for a customers Miata that he open
tracks. Evidently he loves the tires on the track, and drives it daily as
well.
Kumho makes all kinds of tires.
Kumho 732/771 - OE tire on smaller
vehicles (touring tire) Kumho HP4 - smaller vehicle/size H-rated tire Kumho 795
- broad market touring tire (cheap, and we've had very few problems with them)
Kumho Ecsta Supra711 - H-rated performance tire ~340 treadwear
rating
*IIRC*
Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 - V or W rated performance tire ~280
treadwear W, 320 treadwear V Kumho Ecsta MX - ultra high performance, Y rated
tire (in comparisons, head to head, this tire outperforms the Pilot Sport
on a track) Kumho Ecsta V700 - symmetrical DOT legal race tire Kumho Victoracer
V700 - asymmetrical DOT legal race tire And there are others, but those are the
ones I am familiar with -
www.kumhousa.com
- -Cody
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:18:03 -0500
From: Jim Smith <
jhsmith@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Newbie Question: Rear Struts
Admin-Team3S wrote:
> -----------------------------
>
>
The stock struts are fine, available from any Mitsu Dealer (usually
>
cheaper than Dodge). We also have many dealers listed on our "Good
> Guys" Vendor Page (Check our Team3S FAQ Index Page for listing) who
> will sell them via the net and give you a 25% discount (San Rafael,
> Conicelli, Tallahassee...). The KYB replacements for the stock
struts
> (they make the OEM stock struts, too) are available all over,
try
> 3SXPerformance.com, part #341183 for non-ECS base Stealth 91-96.
Good
> luck! ---Forrest
Just to let everyone know. I found the KYB GR-2 strut, part number
341183 for $57 each at tirerack.com. 2 struts and shipping were
$123.00.
They will ship from Delaware, so I should have them in 1 day too, without
overnight shipping charges!!!
Just thought I'd pass this on to the list. These were much more
expensive everywhere else I checked.
Thanks to all that helped!
Jim Smith
- --
Blaming the gun for
murder, is like blaming the car for hit and run!
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:20:20 -0700
From: Desert Fox <
bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tire comparison
> Kumho makes all kinds of tires.
> Kumho 732/771 - OE tire on
smaller vehicles (touring tire) Kumho HP4 -
> smaller vehicle/size
H-rated tire Kumho 795 - broad market touring
> tire (cheap, and we've
had very few problems with them)
> Kumho Ecsta Supra711 - H-rated
performance tire ~340 treadwear rating
> *IIRC* Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 - V
or W rated performance tire ~280
> treadwear W, 320 treadwear V Kumho
Ecsta MX - ultra high performance,
> Y rated tire (in comparisons,
head to head, this tire outperforms the
> Pilot Sport on a track) Kumho
Ecsta V700 - symmetrical DOT legal race
> tire Kumho Victoracer V700 -
asymmetrical DOT legal race tire
> And there are others, but those are the
ones I am familiar with -
>
www.kumhousa.com
I run the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 245/40R18 for summer and have been really
pleased with them. I would definitely try out the MX next, if they are any
better. I have 3 seasons on them already and they will probably make it through
this summer before I should need to start shopping.
Another brand that I had never heard of (but have used 3 or 4 sets of now)
is Hankook. Light truck tires, snow tires for passenger autos, nothing high
performance but a great performer nonetheless.
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi
exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
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Hey guys, wanted to get a better answer from those whom I trust a little
more. I got this in an email from a DSM owner that I'm thinking about buying a
used 1g DSM BOV off of to rid my TT of "owl hoot".
"Only thing you should know is that All 1g BOV's unless, crushed, leak at
idle if your engine has high vacuum, which when if its a maf car and not vented
to atmosphere doesn't matter at all."
Is there any merit to this? And does it matter for my install?
I don't plan to dump to atmosphere anyway, do I?
TIA,
-Patrick
Patrick Purviance
'94 Stealth R/T TT, 58k miles, Open Air Intake, Blitz
DSBC, Blitz DATT Wichita, KS
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:30:29 -0500
From: Jim Smith <
jhsmith@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Newbie Question: Rear Struts
Dean Benz wrote:
>
> If all you want to do is pass inspection,
find a decent set of used
> stocks from a wrecker, or someone local who
has done a coilover
> upgrade.
>
> I'd sell you mine for a
reasonable price, but the effort to pull off
> the springs, and shipping
would make anything local cheaper I think.
I can't find ANY Stealth in the junkyards around here, NONE!!! Nothing,
Nada, Nill...........
Also found out that the NA Stealth is more rare around these parts than the
RT or RT/TT.
Thanks for the help!!!
Jim Smith
- --
Blaming the gun for murder,
is like blaming the car for hit and run!
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:49:50 -0600
From: "Lim, Yong H SPC"
<
yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
Subject:
Team3S: rough start in cold weather...
It starts fine when it's warm but it has really rough start when it's cold
and I just hate it.
I warm up the car thoroughly for about 8 min.
before I drive the car but clutch and gear are still rough.
It feels like the whole car is stiff and I am just wondering if there is
any way to fix this.
Thanks for all the help in advance.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:20:23 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 1g DSM BOV's
Patrick,
All DSM BOV's have a small hole in it. This is what makes their operation
smoother.
The owl usually can be eliminated by untightening the BOV, wiggling it out
a little and retighten the clamp. If this doesn't help or the owl is
coming back the 1G BOV is one of the cheapest solution. It doesn't do
anything bad and it leaks like the stock ones do. But the internals are
somewhat better than our small pieces.
Venting to the atmosphere or back into the intake isn't important. There
are applications that don't like to vent out already metered air and a
short over rich mixture can be the result. This can cause some stumble when
one lifts the right foot. As this is not the cause with a stock 1st gen
you'll be fine.
For high boost applications above 1 bar I recommend a better BPV or
BOV.
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 17:45:44 +0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: 1g DSM BOV's
> ...the 1G BOV is one of the cheapest
> solution. It doesn't do
anything bad
> and it leaks like the stock ones do.
> But the
internals are somewhat better
> than our small pieces.
The 1G DSM valve does not have the little hole in it like the stock 3/S
valve
does. It does not leak up to about 17 psi, and if you "crush" it
carefully,
you can have it hold more boost (mine holds to 25 psi now and
still opens fine
when it is supposed to). You'll just need the 2G DSM
adaptor piece to get the
1G DSM valve to hook up on your 3/S car.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:12:03 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: 1g DSM BOV's
> I got this in an email from a DSM owner that I'm
> thinking
about buying a used 1g DSM BOV off of
> to rid my TT of "owl
hoot".
>
> "Only thing you should know is that All 1g BOV's
>
unless, crushed, leak at idle if your engine has
> high vacuum, which when
if its a maf car and not
> vented to atmosphere doesn't matter at
all."
>
> Is there any merit to this? And does it
matter
> for my install? I don't plan to dump to
> atmosphere
anyway, do I?
In my understanding, all that means is that at idle (or engine braking),
there is enough vacuum in the manifold (relative to the y-pipe) to cause the
valve to open partially. If you have the valve in the stock position where
it vents back to the intake, this is not an issue at all. Thus you should
be fine.
However if you have it vented to atmosphere, it would cause unfiltered and
unmeasured air to enter the intake through the BOV at idle. That would not
be a good thing for emissions or idle stability, but shouldn't trash an
engine.
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End of Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth V2
#96
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