Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Tuesday, February 25 2003  Volume 02 : Number 089
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:32:11 -0800
From: Michael Gerhard <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Subject: Team3S: California Smog II program
 
I was just reading about the CA SMOG II program that will go into effect in
the Bay Area starting July 1, 2003. I gather it has been in effect in other
parts of the state already. In addition to more stringent testing of
exhaust output the program eventually will require a treadmill test.
 
My question is for those of you with AWD cars. I'm wondering what they do
with us. I'm thinking that they are normally setup for 2WD (front or rear).
I'm hoping that the solution is other than sending us many miles to a shop
with an AWD setup.
 
Thanks in advance. My next smog test is due July 2004. I'm thinking ahead.
 
- --------------------------------------------------------------
Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:58 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: California Smog II program
 
I know in Illinois they require the treadmill test. When I went for mine last fall, they just skipped it... I think they have an alternate stand still test...
 
Alex.
 
'95 VR4
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:41:11 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Oil level sensor in tranny ?
 
I have no access to any manual at the moment and I have been asked if our
cars do have tranny oil level sensors... I'm not sure, so can please
someone check this out ?
 
Thanks
Roger G.
93'&96'3000GT TT
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:42:45 -0800 (PST)
From: glenn vrfour <vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: California Smog II program
 
After completing the treadmill test on my 2wd car here
in Washington State, I asked what they do for AWD
cars.  I was told they just do the old style test,
where are out of gear and rev to a set rpm.
 
Glenn
Seattle, WA
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:43:40 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: California Smog II program
 
Here in CT (until they suspended emission 2 yrs ago YIPPEEE!!!) they had an AWD treadmill at every location that was larger than 3 lanes (which was all but one).
 
The look on the guys face when he tried to move the clutch pedal and fought
him the whole way was priceless (RPS stage 3).   Needless to say she didn't
get put the treadmill "just pull it forward and well do a standing test" :p
 
Russ F
CT
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko [mailto:alex@kolosy.com]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:38 AM
 
I know in Illinois they require the treadmill test. When I went for mine last fall, they just skipped it... I think they have an alternate stand still test...
 
Alex.
 
'95 VR4
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:45:39 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil level sensor in tranny ?
 
AFAIK we do not, only brake fluid, engine oil, AWS fluid, and radiator fluid levels are the only thing with warning indicators in them....
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl [mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:41 AM
 
I have no access to any manual at the moment and I have been asked if our
cars do have tranny oil level sensors... I'm not sure, so can please
someone check this out ?
 
Thanks
Roger G.
93'&96'3000GT TT
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:46:31 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil level sensor in tranny ?
 
None that I am aware of.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl [mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:41 AM
 
I have no access to any manual at the moment and I have been asked if our
cars do have tranny oil level sensors... I'm not sure, so can please
someone check this out ?
 
Thanks
Roger G.
93'&96'3000GT TT
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:19:52 -0800 (PST)
From: David Stine <stinedvd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Problems?
 
This is my first post and I hope somebody can reassure me that I'm not going to kill my car.  I have a 93 3000GT SL. It has over 110,000 miles on it and my concern is that particularly on cold mornings my car doesn't like second gear.  With clutch in and going from first to second gear it is rough getting it into gear and sometimes slightly grinds.  It seem like after the car is warmed up it's better.  Any thoughts?  Is my clutch starting to go out or is it something worse like transmission problems?
 
David Stine
93 3000GT SL, K&N types Air Filter, Fog Lights, Indiglo Gauges, Kicking Sound System.
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:45:01 -0600
From: David <daedel@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Transmission Problems?
 
I've got that same problem to the letter, and I know my clutch is
starting to go. I think it has more to do with my "spirited" shifting,
however ;) Suffice to say, I'm curious to see if it is something other
than the synchro going out.
 
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 10:19 AM, David Stine wrote:
 
> This is my first post and I hope somebody can reassure me that I'm not
> going to kill my car.  I have a 93 3000GT SL. It has over 110,000
> miles on it and my concern is that particularly on cold mornings my
> car doesn't like second gear.  With clutch in and going from first to
> second gear it is rough getting it into gear and sometimes slightly
> grinds.  It seem like after the car is warmed up it's better.  Any
> thoughts?  Is my clutch starting to go out or is it something worse
> like transmission problems?
>
> David Stine
> 93 3000GT SL, K&N types Air Filter, Fog Lights, Indiglo Gauges,
> Kicking Sound System.
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:51:53 -0500
From: nmoore33@purdue.edu
Subject: Team3S: team 3s: is my 92 stealth es ready for a tune up?
 
Hi all,
   I've had my stealth now for a bit over a year. I didn't have any knowledge
of what the car went through before I got it. It was a graduation present from
my Dad.  It now has 170k on it, and since I've had it I've replaced the water
pump, timing belt, tensioner, access. Belt, computer, and crank censor.  It
seems to run pretty good, but what are some signs that it's time for a tune
up?  It does start pretty rough when it's cold. Lots of ticking, etc. until it
warms up. I don't know when it was last tuned up or the transmission fluid
changed, so if anyone can help me out on some typical signs when it's time to
get the work done. I feel like the car could run better, but I want to be sure
before I invest the time and money to do the work. Thanks
 
Nick
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:07:02 +0000
From: nouveau3@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Transmission Problems?
 
This is a fairly common problem with the transmissions on these cars. When I
purchased my '92 VR4 in Nov. of '01, it had a rather pronounced notch when
shifting from 1st to 2nd. I changed all fluids (tranny, transfer case and diff)
to Redline fluids. While there is still a slight notch, it has greatly improved. There are other fluids besides Redline that others on this list swear by but
this is what I have used.
 
> This is my first post and I hope somebody can reassure me that I'm not
> going to kill my car.  I have a 93 3000GT SL. It has over 110,000
> miles on it and my concern is that particularly on cold mornings my
> car doesn't like second gear.  With clutch in and going from first to
> second gear it is rough getting it into gear and sometimes slightly
> grinds.  It seem like after the car is warmed up it's better.  Any
> thoughts?  Is my clutch starting to go out or is it something worse
> like transmission problems?
>
> David Stine
> 93 3000GT SL, K&N types Air Filter, Fog Lights, Indiglo Gauges,
> Kicking Sound
> System.
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:03:27 -0700
From: "Labonte, Dan" <DLabonte@SturmanIndustries.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OT: I wrecked my stealth
 
Erik
 
I am very sorry to hear about your accident, but good to hear that you are ok.  As far as I know, the insurance company of the b*tch that hit you will only pay up to the policy limit of the 30K for verifiable damages that you incurred.  If you have uninsured motorist coverage you might be able to collect additional damages if your expenses are hirer then what the other driver has coverage for.  Anything more and you will have to sue the other driver and if she has nothing to sue for then it would not be worth it.
 
Good luck
 
Dan Labonte 
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Petterson [mailto:erik@microworks.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:36 PM
 
Keep in mind it was a 91 base model stealth with 125k miles on it and on it's second tranny.  I would love to have it back just like it was before the wreck, but when you get frame damage and a collision to this degree even if they spent a lot of $$$ on it, it would still never drive right(alignment, steering, and safety).  I only paid $2,800 for the car a little over a year ago...
 
Does anyone know how insurance claims work?  Like all of my medical bills are being paid for by "Access" (Arizona State insurance).  But the other lady that caused the accident only had $30,000 liability.  I've had other people in my family tell me they've known people with less injuries get upwards of $2-$500,000 settlement checks.  Where does this money come from if the other person's insurance coverage is only $30k???
 
I hope my lawyer will be able to get as much as possible and hopefully more than $30k.  If anyone knows how all this works please feel free to email me back privately.
 
Thanks,
- -Erik
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Spainhour" <spainhou@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 4:55 PM
 
> On this line, If you bend the frame, it is totaled. Why?
> I thought you could always fix it and totaled means that it costs more
> to fix than to buy another.
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:24:18 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: I wrecked my stealth
 
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
> Another one bites the dust!  I got in an accident that wasn't my
> fault.  I put the details of my accident as well as some before
> and after pictures up on my website for anyone who likes looking
> at crashed cars.
> http://members.cox.net/erikpetterson/Z_stealth/page1.html
> It's been a pleasure being on your list for a little over a year,
> I don't know if I'll be getting another 3/S car in the future, but
> will stay on the list for a couple more months and just be a
> lurker.  Thanks though for all the help from other owners on this
> list.
> -Erik
> 91 Stealth(RIP)
- ---------------------->
 
Hey, Erik,
 
WOW!  I hadn't realized that you were hurt until I went to the link!  Ouch! This is the first time I've ever seen serious injuries in one of our cars, since there are so many protection and "crumple zones" built in...  (Even more so in the 2nd Gen cars 94+).  I'm so sorry to see that you were hurt, and I hope you're feeling better.  Such a drag!  If there's anything we can do for you, this is ON topic, since it is an important issue - even more so that it has happened to "one of our own".  Feel free to post whatever you like that may help you out ON the list.  And if it might benefit someone else later, no need to ask for private replies, either...  We're here to help one another - I can't think of anything more "On Topic" than helping you through this.
 
I hope you have a speedy recovery!
 
Forrest
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:13:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Baldwin <mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Check Engine light
 
My check engine light came on briefly during a 3 hour drive this weekend (twice). The first time it came on was when I turned on my headlights - the car stuttered (barely noticeable) and the light came on. I shut off the light and the Check Engine light went off.
 
The second time was when I turned on the climate control. Again the problem went away when I shut off the climate control.
 
Later I was able to use both the climate control and the headlights without any problems.
 
This is a 97 VR4 and I'm located in the Bay Area so temps in the high 60's this weekend. Any ideas?
 
Also, the car is still under extended warranty, but how can I get them to take care of this if the problem is no longer apparent?
 
Mike
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:48:47 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Check Engine light
 
There's a good chance that a trouble code was set, even though the CEL went off.  However, if the CEL light went on only when the car bogged down, then the CEL code probably wont tell you what is wrong, as one of the sensors probably got an odd reading BECAUSE the car bogged.  You'll need to find out what caused the car to bog down.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Baldwin [mailto:mbaldwin@alumni.tufts.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:13 PM
 
My check engine light came on briefly during a 3 hour drive this weekend (twice). The first time it came on was when I turned on my headlights - the car stuttered (barely noticeable) and the light came on. I shut off the light and the Check Engine light went off.
 
The second time was when I turned on the climate control. Again the problem went away when I shut off the climate control.
 
Later I was able to use both the climate control and the headlights without any problems.
 
This is a 97 VR4 and I'm located in the Bay Area so temps in the high 60's this weekend. Any ideas?
 
Also, the car is still under extended warranty, but how can I get them to take care of this if the problem is no longer apparent?
 
Mike
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:49:00 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check Engine light
 
Call around and find an auto parts store that does free battery testing. Take your car in and have your battery tested.  Some places will check your charging system too.
 
If your battery or alternator is weak then a drain on your electrical system can trip a check engine light.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:35:46 -0800
From: Michael Gerhard <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check Engine light
 
At 02:13 PM 2/24/03 , you wrote:
>Also, the car is still under extended warranty, but how can I get them
>to take care of this if the problem is no longer apparent?
 
Intermittent problems can be handled under warranties, even when they are
currently in working normally. My experience was with a very strange sound
in the transmission of our Chevrolet Tahoe as it was warming up. We
reported it prior to the 3 year, 36000 miles warranty was up (along with a
few other things). They had yet to diagnose any problem. However, at about
40000 miles the noise was louder and troublesome. We took it back in and
because we had already gone on record with the issue, it was still covered
by Chevrolet. It turned out to be a broken baffle in the muffler that made
lots of noise while it was cold and when it warmed up after about 1/2 mile
of driving the noise would disappear. I had to leave the vehicle over night
for them to have a cold start to hear the noise and diagnose the problem.
 
I've heard that extended warranty folks can be harder to deal with than
factory warranties. My suggestion is go on record with warranty issues even
if the "problem" has disappeared for the moment.
- --------------------------------------------------------------
Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:21:43 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT: I wrecked my stealth
 
I'm sure this information is not what you want to hear but It's based on
personal experience. My wife was in an accident about 4 years ago, broadsided by a guy running a red light --- she had 5 broken ribs on one side, two on the other and a broken pelvis. The car was, of course, totaled.
 
The driver had the California minimum of $15,000 liability --- his insurance company agreed to give up the value of the policy, no lawyer involved, another weird occurrence, but it saved me another 25% to 40% of the $15K. If we wanted to try to get additional funds we would have to sue him personally. He lived in a rental house and drove a 10 year old car [ he was driving
someone else's car at the time of the accident ]. Even if you found a lawyer willing to sue the other driver personally you're not likely to get much money. Anybody with minimum insurance usually has minimum cash. In my case the guy had moved out of state anyway.
 
Then to add insult to injury  the HMO that provided the medical coverage
wanted up to $28K from any monies we received from his insurance. Most, if not all HMO's have included in their policies the right for them to recover their expenses from insurance settlements. I settled with them for 30% of the 15K so for all my wife's injuries, pain, lost work and permanent disabilities we ended up with $10,500. It could have been worse, there was a second HMO involved [ her employer changed carriers ] but they apparently didn't get the fact there was an insurance settlement.
 
        Jim Berry =========================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
 
> so in the 2nd Gen cars 94+).  I'm so sorry to see that you were hurt,
> and I hope you're feeling better.  Such a drag!  If there's anything
> we can do for you, this is ON topic, since it is an important issue -
> even more so that it has happened to "one of our own".  Feel free to
> post whatever you like that may help you out ON the list.  And if it
> might benefit someone else later, no need to ask for private replies,
> either...  We're here to help one another - I can't think of anything
> more "On Topic" than helping you through this.
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:08:20 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: California Smog II program
 
California doesn't require 4 wheel rollers for the smog tests so any AWD cars just do the idle and high speed idle sniffer tests.
 
        Jim Berry ==============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gerhard" <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
 
> I was just reading about the CA SMOG II program that will go into
> effect in the Bay Area starting July 1, 2003. I gather it has
> been in effect in other parts of the state already. In addition
> to more stringent testing of exhaust output the program
> eventually will require a treadmill test.
>
> My question is for those of you with AWD cars. I'm wondering what they
> do with us. I'm thinking that they are normally setup for 2WD
> (front or rear).
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:08:04 -0500
From: "David Thrower" <repairerr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Oil level sensor in tranny ?
 
Roger,
 No such sensor in the transmission. Checked manually at the fill plug only!  Dave Thrower  92 Stealth R/T TT
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:14:22 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I wrecked my stealth
 
Wow I never thought I'd get so many replies... I thought maybe a couple people would say they were sorry and all, but I've gotten over 20 replies offering advice and sympathy... Thanks a lot guys, it really means a lot to know that there is a good community of people out there.  And some of the things people have told me I might ask questions about later when I see my lawyer.
 
About the insurance.  I think since she only had liability on a 2001 Impala, then it had to have been paid off(otherwise if you owe money then you have to carry full coverage).  So she has to have some money right?  Or maybe she used it all to pay for her car.  She does live in a house too, I expect she is married and maybe owns it.
 
The lawyer that I have said that it doesn't look good for me getting a big huge settlement.  If the cops put on the accident report that I was speeding like 15 or more over the limit then I might not even have a case?  And if he finds that the other lady doesn't have any personal assets then he is only going to charge an hourly fee for what he's done so far.
 
I'm not too worried about getting a big check or not.  I learned a lesson or two out of it, and I have an excuse to take a semester off of college.(just trying to look at the bright side of things)  A big check would be nice, but I don't want to sue the lady for all she's got and take her house and all that.  I guess I'll just have to wait and see what develops.  I'm sure it will work itself out in the long run hopefully in my favor.
 
Thanks again guys,
- -Erik
 
> Even if you found a lawyer willing to sue the other driver
> personally you're not likely to get much money.  Anybody
> with minimum insurance usually has minimum cash.
>         Jim Berry
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:35:11 -0500
From: "David Thrower" <repairerr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Check Engine light
 
Michael,
 I would have the alternator checked out. It may be a bad diode in the alternator. It could let enough alternating current into the electrical system to make the ECM "Hiccup". I have seen it happen before many times on electronic controlled Diesel Engines, where a bad alternator diode made the engine miss, sputter, backfire, turn the check engine light on for a second, and all kinds of weird things.  Good Luck,  Dave Thrower  92 Stealth R/T TT
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:22:00 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: I wrecked my stealth
 
If the car is not paid off the lien holder really only cars about collision coverage. Liability can still be minimum as long as she has collision to cover accident damage.
 
        Jim Berry
==========================================
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
 
> About the insurance.  I think since she only had liability on a 2001
> Impala, then it had to have been paid off(otherwise if you owe money
> then you have to carry full coverage).  So she has to have some money
> right?  Or maybe she used it all to pay for her car.  She does live in
> a house too, I expect she is married and maybe owns it.
 
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:19:52 -0500
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: Way OT(long)
 
...And while I'm here, I'll throw in some "technical" stuff.
As some of you might recall, I wrecked my '94 VR-4 by slamming against a tree on the driver side door.  I have been wanting to sell the wreckage that has a pretty much brand new engine since I wrecked it but due to a burglary incident at the wreckyard in which the "suspects" (I suspect it was the wreckyard people themselves) stole a lot of personal property from the inside of the car. Nothing in the engine was touched except that they disconnected and stole a turbo timer I had installed. Anyways, I filed a claim for lost property with the police and the wreckyard people agreed to file a claim with their insurance company and that's where I've been stuck since. they wouldn't allow me to sell the car until it was settled. I got a call from them yesterday saying that the insurance company does not wan to pay so I told them I was going to sue them then. we worked out some sort of drug deal in which in payment for the stolen stuff, they wouldn't charge me the tow, cleanup, and storage fees. I'm going to take their offer even though I would still be losing out a couple of hundred bucks but I just want to get my car out of there and sell it. I know there were several people interested.  I'll repeat the condition of the wreckage real quick for those of you unfamiliar. I got a few pictures of it but only 1 that clearly shows the damage, I will send them out to those seriously interested only.  The car is a '94 black vr-4 with ~122K original miles and ~5k on a brand new short block and a 60K service done to include new timing belt(and everything else that goes with that), new water and oil pumps, new t-stat, new valves, new denso iridium plugs and magnecor wires, and a K&N filter as the only modifications.  All these parts were about $4000 from ground zero performance.  The people at the wreck yard say the body is repairable but didn't say how much. Basically, the damage is the door, rear quarter panel, and the sunroof (I think they stole one taillight). The rest of the car is pretty much intact except for 3 of 4 wheels that got bent up on the median curb. I can't afford to repair it and don't have time, tools, or space to part it out so please don't ask. I'm only willing to sell the wreckage whole. If a group of you who needs parts wants to buy it together then you work out a drug deal between yourselves.  I am willing to sell to best offer but please don't low ball me. You guys know what kind of money parts for our cars cost and I would say that between the engine and the rest of the undamaged body, there's a good $4-5K in parts.  I will be leaving to D.C. early tomorrow morning so I won't be able to respond until probably Thursday but if you are seriously interested, send me an email and I will get back to you. Thanks
 
- -E.RDZ
 
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:29:01 -0500
From: "Nick Moore" <nmoore33@purdue.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S: Need affordable window parts for my stealth
 
Hey everyone,
  This is my first post on the list, so first of all hi to everyone.  I have a 92 Dodge Stealth ES, in need of some new parts, but overall I really like it.  About 8 months ago, my driver's side window croaked. Actually, the top part of the regulator broke because the cables in the motor got tangled. So, they both were ruined. I proceeded to tie the window up as best I could. Due to the fact that it's such a heavy window, it sags down(yes, my seat gets wet every time it rains, snows, etc.). I contacted my local Dodge Dealer and they wanted $230 just for the regulator.  Quite frankly, I don't have $230 extra dollars to replace that, much less the motor. Can anyone help me out with this one? Good to be on the list!
 
Nick
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:53:07 -0500
From: "Nick Moore" <nmoore33@purdue.edu>
Subject: Team3S: is my 92 stealth es ready for a tune up?
 
Hi all,
   I've had my stealth now for a bit over a year. I didn't have any knowledge of what the car went through before I got it. It was a graduation present from my Dad.  It now has 170k on it, and since I've had it I've replaced the water pump, timing belt, tensioner, access. Belt, computer, and crank censor.  It seems to run pretty good, but what are some signs that it's time for a tune up?  It does start pretty rough when it's cold. Lots of ticking, etc. until it warms up. I don't know when it was last tuned up or the transmission fluid changed, so if anyone can help me out on some typical signs when it's time to get the work done. I feel like the car could run better, but I want to be sure before I invest the time and money to do the work. Thanks
 
Nick
 
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:06:29 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: California Smog II program
 
In Colorado, AWD vehicles use a "dual treadmill" for emissions tests. However, some AWD cars are specifically exempted from this type of test because of low clearance and low wheel/sidewall height. Among these are the Stealth TT and 3000GT VR4. Our cars just use the "parked but revved engine" tests. We have a web site that documents this - maybe CA has one too?
 
http://www.aircarecolorado.com/im240tst.htm
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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From: "Michael Gerhard" <gerhard1@llnl.gov>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:32 AM
 
I was just reading about the CA SMOG II program that will go into effect in
the Bay Area starting July 1, 2003. I gather it has been in effect in other
parts of the state already. In addition to more stringent testing of
exhaust output the program eventually will require a treadmill test.
 
My question is for those of you with AWD cars. I'm wondering what they do
with us. I'm thinking that they are normally setup for 2WD (front or rear).
I'm hoping that the solution is other than sending us many miles to a shop
with an AWD setup.
 
Thanks in advance. My next smog test is due July 2004. I'm thinking ahead.
 
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Michael A. Gerhard     1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4  Pearl White
 
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:08:24 -0500
From: Vinny <vinman3@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Time to sell, ugh!
 
HI guys,
I now I have only been on the list a short time but unfortunately I am
forced to sell my 1993 Pearl White VR4.  We are expecting our first
child and we have to buy my wife a more practical car (minivan), Hence
I need cash. 
 
Stats on my car:
1993
Pearl White VR4
32,000 miles
All Stock except for AMSOIL oil everywhere.
The car is in great shape with one or two small stone chips on the hood. The Active aero works but I am not sure if the Active Exhaust works
because I can her the Active exhaust motor operating but I can't tell
and change in engine sound.
Brakes Pads are new, but I think the rotors should be turned soon. The tires have about half the tread left on them. All of the interior is in excellent shape.  All accessories work great. Oops, I forgot the car is not totally stock.  I replaced the Headlights
with the Sylvania SilverStar capsules (the best) and the Wipers are the
new PIAA silicone blades.
The car was rarely driven in rain never snow and always garage kept.
 
I am asking $18,000.
 
I just got a digital camera last week so as soon as I learn the darn
think I will take some pics if any is interested.
 
Thanks
Vinny
 
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:45:12 -0500
From: "Trevor Paciotti" <sam_or_i@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S: Blitz Blow Off Valve Help
 
Hey, I just received the blow off valve I ordered, and all the instructions
are in Japanese. Does anyone know where there are instructions in English?
The only thing I'm really concerned about is the piston adjustment
instructions. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
 
Trevor
91 Dodge Stealth TT
 
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