Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Wednesday, February 19 2003 Volume 02 : Number 084
 
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:22:04 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fixing paint chipping.
 
There is no cheap way to fix a chipped bumper. Painting it requires a paint
with a flex agent, which last time I checked, cannot be put in an aerosol can.
 
Paint chipping is fixed with touch-up paint + sanding + polishing.
 
Philip
 
At 04:53 PM 2/17/2003, Planet wrote:
>I was wondering if someone could tell me how to fix paint chipping,
>rusting etc, and maybe some products to use. Previous owner of my car
>had it towed once, using straps......so the bumper flexed in when it
>was lifted and the paint chipped off. I have quite a large section on
>the back without paint. I was wondering how I could make this look
>better or fix it at LOW cost. I have almost no money to do this but
>getting tired of looking at it. Also I noticed lots of paint chips on
>the hood and front from rocks.
>
>Any tips / ideas.
 
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:02:37 -0700
From: "Moe Prasad" <mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Team3S: difference in rear Valve Cover
 
Is there a difference between the 91-93 and 94-99 rear valve cover on the VR4/TT?
 
Rgds
Moe
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:24:53 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost and ARC-2 problems!
 
>From your A/F readings, it sounds like the fuel provided to the cylinders is
very low. Yes I know this is obvious, but bear with me. If you are using
stock turbos, stock fuel pump, and stock injectors, this is a rare occurrence
even at higher boost levels *IF* all components are working properly. A fuel
pressure gauge can be very helpful in situations like this.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fp_install.htm
 
If pressure is good to the rails and you are still running lean then the
problem could be clogged injectors. If fuel pressure is below spec then
suspect the fuel filter, low output from the pump, or a bad fuel pressure
regulator. If pressure and the injectors are good then suspect the ECU is
simply using the wrong injector activation time for the real airflow to the
engine (bad sensor input or bad ECU).
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-ecmremoval.htm
 
The very first thing I would do is either disconnect the ARC2 (this should be
easy if you thought ahead when splicing it in) or get the engine running with
the ARC2. You have to triple check that all ARC2 harness connections and ECU
terminal taps are correct.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-arc2.htm
http://www.stealth316.com/2-arc2wirdiag.htm
http://www.stealth316.com/2-arc2tuning.htm
http://www.stealth316.com/2-arm1instal.htm
 
Then I would be certain that the battery and alternator are OK. With the
engine off, voltage across the battery terminals should be over 12 with a
fully charged battery (12.6-12.8 is good). With the engine running and
alternator working properly, voltage across the battery terminals should be
over 13 (13.5-14.5 is good).
 
Then I would check the voltage to the fuel pump (it makes no difference if
stock or aftermarket for the moment). The engine must be cranking or running
for current to be supplied to the fuel pump (except if jumping the test
connector to +12V battery).
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpvoltage.htm
 
Low voltage to the pump will reduce its output. With a stock pump this can be
dangerous. The stock pump with full system voltage (13+ volts) should have no
problem with stock injectors and stock turbos. Even if voltage to the stock
pump is only 12 there should be no severe undersupply of fuel with stock
injectors and turbos. However, if voltage drops to about 10 with the stock
pump you will probably get the "lean" (less than 13:1 A/F in this case)
mixtures you observed at high boost. With a Supra pump and 10 volts, you
should be OK with stock injectors.
 
Note that if the crank angle sensor (CAS) is disconnected from the ECU or not
emitting a good signal, the ECU will not supply voltage to the fuel pump or
the coils.
 
If all this checks out, then you will have to start investigating the
other "essentials" - valve timing (belt), ignition timing (coils,
transistors, plugs, wires), compression (rings, valves, pistons).
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
- ---------- Original Message -------------
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:55:58 +0000
From: "gareth hannah" <alcoholika_02@hotmail.com>
 
Hi all!
just a few questions! I have a 92 rt/tt and I had installed a Greddy
profec-b , and my air/fuel, at wot, begins to get jittery and flutters
between stoich and rich, and bogs heavily!! and I do mean BOGG! at 14.5
psi. and fuel pressure around 55 or so. well I bought a ARC-2 hopefully
trying to fix the problem of running lean, cause that's what I think its
doing! and I had installed it correctly and had the settings correctly on
the controller, and I even called GT Pro to make sure I did everything
right. well my car has never started with the ARC on. Not even an idle. I
tried asking GT Pro what might be wrong and they told me that they've never
heard or a car not starting with it on. I'm now just asking the list to see
if anyone has any ideas on why it might be doing this! cause I cant really
solve one problem unless I can do a process of elimination. I also have a
supra fuel pump. Do you think the voltage coming from the pump might be too
low? I'm all out of ideas, or it might even be my ecu. dunno, but any help is
grateful!!
Thanx
gareth
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:04:36 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Manual Boost controllers
 
you just want to make sure that the vacuum lines are properly clamped to the connectors. there is enough pressure to pop the lines off, which can result in overboosting.
 
Chuck Willis
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: mjannusch@attbi.com [mailto:mjannusch@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 5:23 PM
 
> So does the type of line (rubber vs. metal) effect
> the action kinda like brake lines?
 
Not really.  The pressure range is low enough where it isn't much of a factor
(-19 in/hg of vacuum to 14-30psi of boost) where small hose expansion won't
make much difference.  In brake applications it is on the order of hundreds of
psi.  Any typical vacuum hose should work fine - I personally recommend "real"
screw clamps on all the vacuum hoses if you ever want to run more than 19 psi
of boost for some reason (drag racing with race fuel).
 
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:08:01 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cross Drilled Rotors
 
used Stillen crossdrilled for several years on three cars. Gave up on them a year or so ago and went to Porterfield crossdrilled ala Geoff. just purchased my first set of SOLID cryo front rotors, not yet on the car.
 
Chuck Willis
 
BTW What kind of driving are you doing?  If it's all street it doesn't much matter.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric [mailto:griz600cc@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:29 PM
 
This seems to be a hot debated topic. Some people think they are great, some people think they're not so great. I just got a set of Stillen cross drilled rotors for the front and rear and will be trying them out for the first time. Any advice from those of you who have used them?
 
(I also ordered the steel braided brake lines, new pads and calipers.)
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:13:34 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cross Drilled Rotors
 
I drove my first gen VR4 at the track for three seasons with stock calipers and stock-sized rotors. I was anal about cleaning and turning the rotors.  I went through several rotors, but never had one break.
 
Same experience with my second gen VR4, now in its third season.
 
Chuck Willis
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: dakken [mailto:dougusmagnus@attbi.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 3:48 PM
 
> 1st gen will be more likely..as they're smaller and will suffer higher
> load and heat stress.
 
Wouldn't that make 1st gen rotors fail more than 2nd gen?  If this is so, why haven't I seen any 1st gen rotors disintegrate like the 2nd gen?  Is it just that the 1st gen rotors are not reported as much?
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:39:08 -0600
From: "Lim, Yong H  SPC" <yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: engine mount & clutch...and one question
 
Well, I finally did got my 60k service done and checked out what was going on with the rattling noise and the my really "stiff" clutch. 
 
With the rattling noise, many people in this forum told me that it was either wheel bearings or transaxle but I found out that it was the front engine mount and not the wheel bearings or transaxle.  From my understanding, there are 3 engine mounts and the guy told me that it was only the front engine mount that has collapsed.  In order for me to replace it, he said it would cost me something like $250 which is like the cost of new 3 engine mounts.  I am thinking of doing this myself(at least, try to) if this is relatively easy to do. 
 
As far as my clutch is concerned, the mechanic tells me that it's the worn out pressure plate and in order to replace it, he has to change the whole thing which will cost me 1200 something dollars.  I know that the new clutch sets cost something around $400-600 so I think I'm just going to buy the parts myself and have some mechanics change it. 
 
For anybody who is looking to do a 60k service near Dallas area, I did mine at Don Herring Mitsubish.  The service was pretty good and the guys seemed to know what they are doing. 
Their 60k service is divided into two part and I just did the first part which does not include replacing timing belt tensioners and water pump.(second part costs something around $800 if I remember correctly)
 
Beside everything I talked about so far, I have a question about this 'ticking' noise.  I hear this noise whenever I get out from a car after driving it for a while(either long or short period of time).  It seems to be coming out from the bottom of the car but I hear it very clearly on the driver side.  I can hear it on the passenger side too but it's not as loud. I'm not sure why I'm hearing this 'ticking' sound and I would appreciate it very much if anybody can give me even a vague idea of what's causing this noise. 
 
Thanks.
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:29:28 -0600
From: "Richard Fennell" <realmstl@charter.net>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: engine mount & clutch...and one question
 
The ticking noise is after you shut the car off?
If so, it is the exhaust system cooling off.  The metal expands with heat and them contracts when cooling. Nothing to worry about.
 
Rich
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lim, Yong H SPC" <yong.lim@sill.army.mil>
 
> Beside everything I talked about so far, I have a question about this
> 'ticking' noise.  I hear this noise whenever I get out from a car
> after driving it for a while(either long or short period of time).  It
> seems to be coming out from the bottom of the car but I hear it very
> clearly on the driver side.  I can hear it on the passenger side too
> but it's not as loud.
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:07:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Castawaykev <castawaykev@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: lost my power steering
 
The power steering is gone and the fluid is also
history.  When I add fluid it runs out somewhere...??
For a few minutes I get my ps back so I know the pump
still works.  I need to replace something. Not sure of
what.  I can see where a little cable/hose isn't
attached...it is near impossible to  reach. I may
just drop it off tomorrow at the Chrysler dealer for
them to find out what is actually broke.  That way I
can order the part after the fact and get someone else
to do the labor as I am no mechanic plus I don't have
a garage and the weather is too cold right now to be
working on the car. any ideas of what might have gone?
 I own a 92 Stealth ES.
 
Kev
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:46:49 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: engine mount & clutch...and one question
 
$200 - $250 labor plus the cost of a clutch is all you should pay to have the clutch swapped out. 
 
Motor mounts cost about $85 each, and are not very hard at all to replace.  Especially the front and rear lower mounts...  they don't support the weight of the motor really, more of a torque roll stopper than anything...  Yes, there are 3 motor mounts and one tranny mount...
 
A clutch is a 4 hour job by any professional...  It can really be done in about 2.5 hours, but 4 is reasonable... At $65/ hour shop rate, we are at $260...  The absolute most I would pay...
 
- -Cody
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lim, Yong H SPC
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:39 PM
 
Well, I finally did got my 60k service done and checked out what was going on with the rattling noise and the my really "stiff" clutch. 
 
With the rattling noise, many people in this forum told me that it was either wheel bearings or transaxle but I found out that it was the front engine mount and not the wheel bearings or transaxle.  From my understanding, there are 3 engine mounts and the guy told me that it was only the front engine mount that has collapsed.  In order for me to replace it, he said it would cost me something like $250 which is like the cost of new 3 engine mounts.  I am thinking of doing this myself(at least, try to) if this is relatively easy to do. 
 
As far as my clutch is concerned, the mechanic tells me that it's the worn out pressure plate and in order to replace it, he has to change the whole thing which will cost me 1200 something dollars.  I know that the new clutch sets cost something around $400-600 so I think I'm just going to buy the parts myself and have some mechanics change it. 
 
For anybody who is looking to do a 60k service near Dallas area, I did mine at Don Herring Mitsubish.  The service was pretty good and the guys seemed to know what they are doing. 
Their 60k service is divided into two part and I just did the first part which does not include replacing timing belt tensioners and water pump.(second part costs something around $800 if I remember correctly)
 
Beside everything I talked about so far, I have a question about this 'ticking' noise.  I hear this noise whenever I get out from a car after driving it for a while(either long or short period of time).  It seems to be coming out from the bottom of the car but I hear it very clearly on the driver side.  I can hear it on the passenger side too but it's not as loud. I'm not sure why I'm hearing this 'ticking' sound and I would appreciate it very much if anybody can give me even a vague idea of what's causing this noise. 
 
Thanks.
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:57:17 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: lost my power steering
 
Yep, suffering the same problem here too. Turns out that my powersteering rack is shot. There's seals on the rack that fail or something, and when you fill up your reservoir, it'll leak like a sieve, apparently it's not too uncommon. Don't buy your rack from the dealer, one quoted me at $2400!! I had to laugh at the guy. The remanufactured ones are way better, so don't buy OEM and don't buy used. You can get a reman from Autozone for about $240 if I remember correctly. As usual, labor for our cars is a bit more than other cars, simply because they're a bit harder to work on apparently. Hope that helps...
    -b
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Castawaykev [mailto:castawaykev@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:07 PM
 
The power steering is gone and the fluid is also
history.  When I add fluid it runs out somewhere...??
For a few minutes I get my ps back so I know the pump
still works.  I need to replace something. Not sure of
what.  I can see where a little cable/hose isn't
attached...it is near impossible to  reach. I may
just drop it off tomorrow at the Chrysler dealer for
them to find out what is actually broke.  That way I
can order the part after the fact and get someone else
to do the labor as I am no mechanic plus I don't have
a garage and the weather is too cold right now to be
working on the car. any ideas of what might have gone?
 I own a 92 Stealth ES.
 
Kev
 
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:56:47 -0700
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Just installed my S-AFC
 
Took about 5 hours total, had some major problems, when I first hooked it up and turned the car to on, the buttons lit up but I had absolutely nothing on the display!! Went back through, checked every wire, turns out the 2nd ground wire wasn't making a connection. Fixed it and the car was able to start and run! Still have it set at 0% correction across the board since I have stock injectors in. I was just wondering if there was anything I could do with it while still having stock injectors to get a little more power safely? I'm waiting until I get my datalogger and EGT set up before I put in my bigger injectors. Donald Ashby '93 3000GT VR-4 "Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"
 
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