Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, January 11 2003  Volume 02 : Number 050




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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:10:00 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Clutch pedal adjustment?

> My cluth pedal in my 93 VR4 seems to have about 1-1.5 inches of play
> before I actually feel pressure on my foot.  Is this normal or can I
> adjust the slop out of it?
> Also my cluth pedal seems a tad stiff , Is this normal for the VR4.  OR
> does this mean there is something wrong with the fluid?

A stiff pedal may mean that your clutch booster is not operating properly.
Check the vacuum lines that go to the clutch booster for cracks or any other
kind of leak.  Remember that there are a lot of lines that go down to a tank
in bottom near the front of the engine bay.  A hand vacuum pump may be very
handy here.  Also, there is a one way valve in the vacuum line that connects
to the intake manifold.  If you blow into that line, then it should only
allow air going towards the intake manifold.  If it allows air to go both
ways, then the valve is bad.

If the vacuum lines are good, then bleed your clutch.  Air in the line can
cause the pedal to be spungy and could explain the 1.5 inches of play before
engaging.  It would not make the pedal stiff though.

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:35:47 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: engine miss at 2900 to 3100 rpm

Unfortunately, this is a fairly common problem.  There are numerous threads
on 3SI.org.  Some folks claim that they have solved their problem.
Solutions range from replacing your alternator, to eliminating any intake
leaks, to new capacitors on the ECU.

A personal observation:  the miss does seem to get worse as you decrease
spark plug gap.  Another thing, I'm speculating here, but it seems that the
ECU likes to run this RPM range lean (probably for improving MPG).  I notice
that my EGT rises noticably between 2600-3000 which is where my misses
occur.

Good luck,
Ken
> I have a 91 VR4, it misses or sputters at 2900 to 3100 rpms. If you run
thru
> the gears it doesn't happen, but if your just cruisin and keep it between
> those rpms it misses. The mods Ive done to the car is K&N filter, blitz
> sbcid controller, stillen down pipe, borla exhaust, supra fuel pump, DN
> y-pipe, ekg fuel line, turbo xs blow off valve, magnecor 100 wires,
iridium
> denso plugs gap 32, any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:19:37 -0600
From: "Steve" <denon11@insightbb.com>
Subject: Team3S: crank angle sensor

Hello Group

This is my dilemma. I have a 1995 3000GT SL.
The harmonic dampeners outer ring walked on me.
In doing this it broke the P/S Belt.
The P/S Belt got raped around the crank
and in doing so it wore a hole in the lower
timing cover. This is where it gets good.
Parts of the belt were moving around inside
the timing cover, and caused the motor to die.
After the removal of the timing covers & Crank pulley
I saw that the crank angle ring and the crank angle sensor
were damaged. One ear or the crank angle ring was bent over
causing it to hit the crank angle sensor.
This is my question.
In my examination to the timing, it appears that the value train
is in perfect time all sprockets line up but the crank gear is
3 notches retarded. Is there a possibility I might have bent some values
or push rods. I know this is a 0 tolerance motor.

Thoughts or feed back would be appreciated

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:12:23 -0600
From: "Steve" <denon11@insightbb.com>
Subject: Team3S: The harmonic dampeners outer ring walked on me.

This is my first post with the group.
This is my dilemma. I have a 1995 3000GT SL.
The harmonic dampeners outer ring walked on me.
In doing this it broke the P/S Belt.
The P/S Belt got raped around the crank
and in doing so it wore a hole in the lower
timing cover. This is where it gets good.
Parts of the belt were moving around inside
the timing cover, and caused the motor to die.
After the removal of the timing covers & Crank pulley
I saw that the crank angle ring and the crank angle sensor
were damaged. One ear or the crank angle ring was bent over
causing it to hit the crank angle sensor.
This is my question.
In my examination to the timing, it appears that the value train
is in perfect time all sprockets line up but the crank gear is
3 notches retarded. Is there a possibility I might have bent some values
or push rods. I know this is a 0 tolerance motor.

Thoughts or feed back would be appreciated

Sincerely: Steve Truskosky

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:44:46 -0500
From: Thor Holth <thorholth@snet.net>
Subject: Team3S: 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo For sale in SE CT

Hey all:

    I'm looking to sell my 1991 Stealth r/t turbo, which is presently in
storage in southeastern Connecticut (in new london, near groton and mystic
if you know where those towns are).

    I have not driven the car more than a couple thousand miles in the last
year, and would rather see someone else enjoy the car, instead of it resting
in storage.  That being said, here are the details:

    1991 Stealth R/T Turbo, AWD.
    Mileage: approx 125,000
    Exterior Color: (arrest me) Red  (few small nicks on hood though)
    Interior Color: Black (leather)
    Wheels restored to factory spec and re-painted by Precision Wheel
    New Tires 5,000 miles ago.
    60 k service performed @ 112,000 Miles (new water pump, pulleys, etc.)
    A/C converted from R12 to R134a (dealer installed, nice alternative to
                                    paying for a recharge, anyway. See my
                                    prior post regarding this, as the
                                    conversion, with freon, cost about $150,
                                    as opposed to a R12 refill for hundreds
                                    more.)
    ECU has been repaired/upgraded as of last year by outfit in FLA
        recommended by Jeff Lucius (I think it was auto and truck
        electronics).
    Transfer Case replaced by Dodge in 2001 - T/C has about 5k miles on it
    Mods:  Car is completely original, with following exceptions:
        i.  K&N Filterpack/Filtercharger (I forgot which,  but had not yet
            even been through its first recharge.  It's the filter which
            replaces the stock airbox and fastens directly to the MAS)
        ii. Replaced stock oil, turbo and water temp gauges with
            Autometer Phantom gauges. Also added fuel pressure, a/f ration
            and Air temp gauges (latter is digital by cyberdyne).  Air temp
            A/F ratio interchange on A-pillar mount, turbo is mounted above
            on a-pillar. For individual sensing of each cylinder bank, A/F
            ratio has selector switch mounted on console.
   
    This would be a great project car for someone looking to get into mods,
for two reasons:  First, car runs great as it is, so mods could be put off
until later.  Second, you'd be starting with a blank slate.

    Right now, car is in storage in garage in New London, CT. Included would
 be a brand new "Noah" fabric car cover.  Allows car to "breath" so moisture
isn't trapped against paint, but outside layer repels rain water. By the
way, no rust on car.  I've owned it for two years, and never driven it
during winter or early sprint\g.

    The car needs nothing, except gas. Current synthetic oil has only 300
miles on it.
   
    Sad to see it go, but hate to see it sit there.

    I can e-mail pics to anybody interested.

    Asking price - $10,000, but reasonable offers entertained

Thor Holth
E-mail: thorholth@snet.net

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:57:37 -0700
From: "Donald Ashby" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: 4WS

I have a 93 VR-4, the 4WS comes on at ~40 mph correct?
Is there a way I could put in a toggle switch to always have on or always
have off the 4WS, kind of like the way Active Aero or ECS works?
Has anyone tried this? What would I need to do? I have the manuals, but I
have no idea where to start.
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4
"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:00:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 4WS

the 4ws system is operated by _speed_ from a gear in the rear LSD..I
suppos eyou could kill it by defeating the steering colulmn sensor for
it..but you cant make ti come on earlier..as its required to be at speed
to have enough pressure to operate.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Donald Ashby wrote:

> I have a 93 VR-4, the 4WS comes on at ~40 mph correct?
> Is there a way I could put in a toggle switch to always have on or always
> have off the 4WS, kind of like the way Active Aero or ECS works?
> Has anyone tried this? What would I need to do? I have the manuals, but I
> have no idea where to start.
> Donald Ashby
> '93 3000GT VR-4
> "Don't drink and park, accidents cause people!"

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:53:50 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 4WS

To backup what Geoff said --- there is no electronic control in the 4WS
portion of the car. It uses the front power steering pump and the rear
pump to force some bushings into a compliance type of movement.

Check Jeff Lucius's site for the TIM [ technical information manual ], it
has a writeup on the operation.

        Jim Berry
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:04:03 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: crank angle sensor

I have read on this or one of the other lists that slipping 3 or 4 teeth is not
a problem --- I have no direct experience though. A compression check
should tell you if there is a problem.

Good luck !!!

        Jim Berry

PS --- no pushrods, that's for american iron. The 3S cars have single or
          dual overhead cams --- the base has a SOHC [ about 160 HP ]
          while the SL should be a DOHC [ about 220 HP ] and the turbo
         is also a dual overhead at about 300+ HP.
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <denon11@insightbb.com>
> This is my question.
> In my examination to the timing, it appears that the value train
> is in perfect time all sprockets line up but the crank gear is
> 3 notches retarded. Is there a possibility I might have bent some values
> or push rods. I know this is a 0 tolerance motor.
>
> Thoughts or feed back would be appreciated

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:45:27 -0500
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: correct part number for gas cap

I am looking to replace the broken gas cap on my 1997 VR-4 and when I looked in CAPS  it came up with quite a few numbers when I
clicked on the gas cap.  Could anyone help clarify the part number that I need ?

Thanks
Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:04:03 -0500
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: correct part number for gas cap

Here is the problem, CAPS comes up with two part numbers and both are listed as Gas Caps.

I did put in my VIN number and here are the part numbers it came up with:
MB825326
MR342331

Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
To: "'anthonymelillo'" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: correct part number for gas cap

> Anthony,
>
> I saw that in the post.  18-gauge wire and some duct tape won't help?
> Next time out I will see what I can find.  Just punch in your VIN to the
> CAPS program and it should spit out only one number or call a dealer and
> ask their judgment.
>
> --Flash!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: anthonymelillo [mailto:anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com]
> That is the part that I need.  The little tether that keeps the cap from
> getting lost is broken on my car.
> Anthony Melillo

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:15:51 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: correct part number for gas cap

Anthony,

True, but like someone else said - even a $12 part from NAPA or Pep Boys
isn't outer space and will make due for the time being.  I can look at
mine but I bet the part number is not visible (it will be on the inside
of the assembly I assume).  Heck, ordering both parts from one of our
"good guy" dealers who offers 15% list discounts should make it possible
to buy both parts and return one that did not fit.  Maybe ask before you
do this though.  I don't see why they wouldn't give you a refund.

- --Flash!

- -----Original Message-----
From: anthonymelillo
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 16:04
Subject: Re: Team3S: correct part number for gas cap

Here is the problem, CAPS comes up with two part numbers and both are
listed as Gas Caps.

I did put in my VIN number and here are the part numbers it came up
with: MB825326 MR342331

Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:49:03 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Electrical capacity and wiring Q's

>> .. serious voltage drop [40A on 10 AWG wire]

That depends on what you mean by serious and how long the path is. You can
use my wire resistance and voltage drop calculator to determine what you need
to know.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-wire-resistance.htm

If using a 10 AWG multistrand wire with a 40-A load, voltage would drop 0.2
volts over a 5-foot path and 0.4 v over 10-foot path. You have to determine
if that is "serious drop" or not.

>> [tap power at battery or use an unused fuse]

Again depends. But making a new circuit is easy so why not just do it? Ideas
are on my web pages below.

http://www.stealth316.com/2-battery-move.htm
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpump-rewire.htm

>> ... looks like the generator ... and battery are separated by a 120-A
fuse ....

There are 4 wires that attach to the battery in a stock car: 2 ground (engine
and firewall) and two hot (one to starter and one to fusible link). So all
positive connections pass through the fusible link except for the starter
motor. The "B" terminal on the alternator goes through the fusable link.

>> if the [sensing circuit] fails, does this mean the regulator loses
reference to the generator output voltage?

As far as I can tell, it would mean the regulator cannot sense *system
voltage*. Alternator output voltage is sensed by the regulator through the
Diode Trio.

Looking at a generic transistor voltage regulator diagram (since Mitsu does
not show us one that I can find), the regulator's Zener diode would never
conduct (and therefore reduce voltage to the rotor) because high voltage
would never pass through the regulator's "system voltage" path to ground.
Therefore the rotor would always be getting good voltage and the alternator
would output a lot of current. Somebody please correct if I am wrong about
this.

Now, I do not know know enough about our alternator to know how high the
voltage would go or how high the current would go to say if this would "fry"
the electrical system or not. There are various protection schemes in the
system, including diodes and fuses.

However, several circuits also connect to fusable link (#3) besides besides
the regulator's sensing wire. Most of the major lighting circuits also go
through this fuse. For example, your headlights and taillights would also be
missing if this fuse (#3) blew.

Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Subject: Team3S: Electrical capacity and wiring Q's
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:50:00 -0500
From: "Jon Paine" <ppainej@attglobal.net>
To: "Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>


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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:47:27 -0500
From: "Andre and Sylvia Cerri" <cerri@contractor.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rear shock install on 92 SL

How the $$$$ do you get the strut out, after undoing the top two bolts and
the big 17mmm bottom one?

Can't figure this out and car in pieces!!!

Help!!!

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:04:38 -0500
From: "Andre and Sylvia Cerri" <cerri@contractor.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rear Eibachs for a 92 SL

Does it matter which way up the spring goes?

It has tighter packed coils at one end, but is not clear which way it goes
up.

Thx

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:37:04 -0800
From: David Margrave <davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Team3S: xfer case recall

Hello,

I got the letter for the recall from chrysler today.

Have some folks forgone getting this taken care of because their cases
don't leak, and because of what one poster called the 'idiot mojo' of
the dealer, which I fully appreciate!  But there could be liability
associated with not letting the dealer 'officially' check your vehicle,
even if it is not leaking.  I don't want to be on the hook.

Incidentally my car is a 1991, and there was a previous transfer case
leak-related recall on this vehicle that was completed in dec. 1993.  I
guess this is yet another leak.  These transfer cases are such garbage!

Dave

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