Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, December 19 2002 Volume
02 : Number 029
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:59:40 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Team3S: Funny Nitrous minibooster !?
Folks,
This guy is selling some "cream-maker cartridges" (this is what we call
them here, LOL) with a nozzle that they can be sprayed into the intake. Is
this really nitrous oxide or do all of these cartridges contain NOX ? How
much of NOX is in such a cartridge, something like a spray for 0.1 seconds
? I doubt that there is a lot in there and for sure they are only for a one
time use but as far as I know there are larger ones available like the ones
for the soda makers. But again, is this nitrous or just pressurized air in
this bottles ? Well, I wonder if I can split it into my water injection
line to the y-pipe and just datalog the results where knock starts :-) But
I will definitely not go to the dyno just to see 3hp more or so :-)
Any insight in this stuff ?
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no need.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mihai Raicu
[mailto:mraicu@wayne.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:39 PM
Do you think I should take out the AVC-R Electronic boost controller and
K&N Filter b/f going to the dealer for the recall (if it's going to
come in the mail soon)? I wouldn't want them to find an excuse not
to replace the Transfer Case.
W
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Yes, and there are two little metal rings that act as seals on the plugs,
and there are two separate plugs for the tranny and for the rear axle as
well. They are indicated as non reusable parts. You should
look through the manual again. You missed it. My recollection
is that there are even torque specs for the plugs.
Chuck Willis
Dumb question but I've searched through the factory manual and still don't
have an answer.
Is there a separate fill and drain plug for the transfer case? Or
does it just get filled when you fill tranny?
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:13:13 -0800
From: "Shawn Keren" <
nouveau3@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Funny Nitrous minibooster !?
The ones for the whipped cream dispensers do contain nitrous oxide. The
ones for soda bottles contain CO2. I couldn't tell you how much of a shot
you would get from a "whippet" cartridge.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Sent:
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:59 AM
> Folks,
>
> I don't a lot about this nitrous stuff as I
always think it is
> dangerous to have such a bottle in my car. But what
the heck is this :
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33740&item=1875148319&rd=1
>
>
This guy is selling some "cream-maker cartridges" (this is what we
> call
them here, LOL) with a nozzle that they can be sprayed into the
> intake.
Is this really nitrous oxide or do all of these cartridges
> contain NOX
? How much of NOX is in such a cartridge, something like a
> spray for
0.1 seconds ? I doubt that there is a lot in there and for
> sure they
are only for a one time use but as far as I know there are
> larger ones
available like the ones for the soda makers. But again,
> is this nitrous
or just pressurized air in this bottles?
> Well, I wonder if I can split
it into my water injection line to
> the y-pipe and just datalog the
results where knock starts :-) But I
> will definitely not go to the
dyno just to see 3hp more or so :-)
>
> Any insight in this stuff
?
>
> Thanks
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:17:06 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Funny Nitrous minibooster !?
Roger and anyone else that cares I do not believe this kit is meant as true
nitrous kit but is more meant to be used to cool the intake charge (in a
similar manner to WAI, albeit a bit more expensive)
I still think WAI is still the best way to go, until I see some definitive
results from Propane injection and some of the safety concerns get
properly addressed.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Keren
[mailto:nouveau3@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:13 AM
The ones for the whipped cream dispensers do contain nitrous oxide. The
ones for soda bottles contain CO2. I couldn't tell you how much of a shot
you would get from a "whippet" cartridge.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:16:52 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: driver side plenum stay bolt.
I bet $1 right now that you got the throttle body bolts mixed up with the
plenum bolts. Take em all out and compare lengths. And no, you don't need
a new gasket.
Tyson
- -----Original Message-----
From: William Jeffrey Crabtree
Sent:
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:22 AM
I agree with roger, having just put together mine about a week ago, all of
the bolts should just basically be able to be driven in with your bare
fingers and then tightened with a wrench. You likely have two bolts
mixed up and the one you are having difficulty with is probably "bottoming out"
in the hole....don't try to tighten it and twist it off in the
hole!!! You'll then have a WHOLE NEW PROBLEM.
- -Jeff C.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:41:11 -0000
From: "Jim Matthews" <
jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: RE: Transfer case recall
I just called DaimlerChrysler customer service at 800-992-1997, who
forwarded me to the recall office at 800-853-1403, and "Stephanie"
verified that "safety recall B17" is outstanding on my '94 TT. I was
encouraged to visit my local dealer ASAP to have the transfer case inspected and
possibly repaired or replaced.
For those of you with Stealths overseas, I was then advised to call
DaimlerChrysler's international support office at 248-512-7730 to get
guidance on which dealers here in England offer recall services. That
number is an answering service that records your information (name, phone
number, country, VIN, etc.); the message claims that a representative will
return calls within one business day.
I realize that not all transfer cases will require replacement, but I
suspect that a fair number of them will. If Getrag isn't producing
these transfer cases any more, then where are DaimlerChrysler and
Mitsubishi getting them? And if they can get their hands on transfer
cases, can they also get their hands on transmissions (or transmission
parts)?!
*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030
***
http://www.the-matthews.com/stealth.htmlJet
Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd Adjustable Active
Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System K&N FIPK, A'pexi Super AVC-R v.1
(1.0 bar @ 64% BADC) A'pexi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off
Valve Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery Redline synth
fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPHvy) Cryoed rotors, R4S pads,
braided lines, red calipers Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed:
171 mph G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph 1 Feb 99 Dyno
Session: 367 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:38:55 -0800 (PST)
From: glenn vrfour <
vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Funny Nitrous minibooster !?
from looking at the picture, looks like the nox stays
in the cabin, then
a long hose goes to the intake.
Squeeze the trigger manually.
You will probably get more laughs than HP.
You'll get even more laughs if you inhale the gas
instead of putting it
in the engine.
No, I'm not recommending the use of the whipped cream
NOX for any other
purpose than making a late night
snack.
Glenn
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:48:47 -0700
From: Desert Fox <
bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Funny Nitrous minibooster !?
The results of driving while huffing N2O are catastrophic. Not stupid
enough personally to say I've tried it but I have seen the aftermath of an
AWD Talon with N2O injection - into the driver that is. He passed out and
rolled 4 times on the median between freeway lanes.
Expensive high... Keep the N2O at home for giggles.
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi
exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
> from looking at the picture, looks like the nox stays
> in the
cabin, then a long hose goes to the intake.
> Squeeze the trigger
manually.
>
> You will probably get more laughs than HP.
>
> You'll get even more laughs if you inhale the gas
> instead of
putting it in the engine.
>
> No, I'm not recommending the use of
the whipped cream
> NOX for any other purpose than making a late
night
> snack.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:25:58 -0500
From: Bill Ma <
BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com>
Subject:
Team3S: FS: 13g, 13/15g, 15g new turbos
I have some brand new turbos for sale.
13g - $1400
13/15g hybrid - $1650
15g - $1850
+shipping and core charge of $400 until I get your old turbos back.
I can also have custom turbos made to your specifications.
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Is that price for each or per pair?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Ma
[mailto:BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:26 PM
I have some brand new turbos for sale.
13g - $1400
13/15g hybrid - $1650
15g - $1850
+shipping and core charge of $400 until I get your old turbos back.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:56:49 -0600
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
RE: Transfer case recall
I'm a little concerned here - I got my recall notice (but haven't
been
to satan yet as my car is in the bodyshop). But the problem is that
I
had the tranny resealed about a year ago, covered by the warranty.
Since
then, however it's has been grinding like crazy and
getting
progressively worse. If I force them to look at my fluid, what are
the
chances they'll find shavings and what are the chances that
they'll
actually do something about it (like give me a new tc)?
BTW - afai can tell, it's not leaking but I may be wrong...
Alex
'95 VR4
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you say the tranny was resealed - do you mean the transfer case was
resealed?
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:05:02 -0500
From: Bill Ma <
BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: FS: 13g, 13/15g, 15g new turbos
That's per pair.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
[mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18,
2002 2:47 PM
Is that price for each or per pair?
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:07:59 -0600
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
RE: Transfer case recall
I honestly don't know... Something was leaking, they said it was
the
transmission but I remember the shop talking about the transfer
case...
Alex
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
Sent:
Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:03 PM
you say the tranny was resealed - do you mean the transfer case
was
resealed?
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:25:21 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
RE: Transfer case recall
At 164,000 miles, the previous owner of my stealth replaced the tranny
and
transfer case. First of all, I highly doubt that the tranny and
transfer
case both got "worn down" at the same time....
Now this is purely assumption, but I'd at least call it
"educated"
assumption:
Agreeing with Paul...
You're driving down the street and your transfer case locks up. Your
tranny
spline is still spinning, so until it stops spinning, the tranny's
male
spine will get either worn down or stripped. Thus explaining why
the
previous owner needed to replace both parts at the same time when
probably
only one of them failed. Knowing that this work has already been
done on my
car, I find it perfectly logical to blame Mitsu (well, Dodge in my
case) and
get a full reimbursement for all the parts and labor for the tranny
and
transfer case swap. And still, even if there are others out there who
locked
up their transfer case but DIDN'T need a new tranny, don't those
people all
have worn splines now??
Finally, the ONLY thing that was done which had nothing to do with
tranny/transfer case at the time of my repair is the clutch which was
changed just
because it was "convenient" while they were there.
All this said, I'm going to look into getting the previous owner of my
car
the reimbursement that is due to her (which totals out to around $7000.
She
says that if that money can be collected, then she'll let me have it all
:)
I'll keep all of you posted on my progress, and please let me know
if
there's something I'm missing, or if there's anything that I should add
to
my argument.
Thanks Peter, for bringing this up.
Riyan Mynuddin
93 Stealth RT TT
Stillen Intake, Stillen Downpipe, ATR SingleShot Catback, "Improved"
main
and front pre-cat, 450cc injectors; cleaned and matched, MBC @ 12 PSI,
EK2
Fuel Rail mod, EK2 EGR "upgrade", U.P. Cold Air Box, S-AFC, Boost, A/F,
and
Fuel PSI gauges, TurboXS H-34 Bypass Valve, FP resistor bypass+hotwire,
U.P.
Front and Rear S-Bars
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Klusmanp@aol.comSent: Tuesday, December
17, 2002 8:24 PM
Has anyone had the transfer case replaced due to worn male/female
spline
shaft from the tranny to the transaxle?
I would think it is reasonable to imagine a transfer case lockup if
the
spline shaft let go while driving.
Here is the big question: If the female spline in the transaxle is worn,
and
the male spline in the tranny is worn Mitsu should replace BOTH tranny
and
transaxle, right? (too bad you can't service/rebuild the tranny. Heh
heh
heh.)
Paul Klusman
'91 VR-4
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:11:38 -0500
From: Bill Ma <
BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com>
Subject:
Team3S: FS: Updated Turbo models and prices
Sorry for the repost, but I have some updates for the turbo models
and
prices
13G - $1350
13/15G - $1650
True 15G - $2200
(sorry about the misquote in price in the previous post)
TD04/T3-60 hybrid
- $3000
19T hybrid - $1850
TD04 with hitachi compressor wheels
$1400
+actual shipping costs
+$400 core charge, refunded with
return of your old turbos
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:27:44 -0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: FS: Updated Turbo models and prices
Ok, maybe it's just me, as I haven't ever really looked into 13 and
15g
pricing... But, for my Talon, I can pick up a big 16g with the
td06
housing for right around $700 new (a pair would thus be $1400), or
$50
more than your "pair" of 13g's... are 13 and 15g's that much
more
expensive than larger housing td06 turbos??? BTW - those are
outright
prices, no cores needed...
- -Cody
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:51:03 +0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: RE: Transfer case recall
> At 164,000 miles, the previous owner of my
> stealth replaced
the tranny and transfer
> case. First of all, I highly doubt that
the
> tranny and transfer case both got "worn
> down" at the same
time....
I'd say at 164,000 miles there was plenty of good use gotten out of both
parts. I'd be smiling if I got that many miles out of a
tranny/transfer case
with no problems. Mechanical devices don't last
forever.
> You're driving down the street and your
> transfer case locks
up. Your tranny
> spline is still spinning, so until it
> stops
spinning, the tranny's male spine
> will get either worn down or
stripped.
When the transfer case locks up, the output shaft on the tranny must either
stop along with it, or break off, or completely strip out. Not a whole
lot of
other choices there. Most likely, it'll stop along with the
transfer case
sleeve, and stop the tranny from spinning too, and the motor
will spin the
clutch for a bit before it stalls too.
> And still, even if there are others
> out there who locked up
their transfer case
> but DIDN'T need a new tranny, don't those
>
people all have worn splines now??
If someone had a transfer case problem at some point, then the best thing
to do
would be to remove the transfer case and inspect the splines and go
from there
if they appear worn. Having worn splines wouldn't be a
foregone conclusion.
I don't think there are THAT many people who locked up transfer
cases. Most of
the failures are output shaft or tcase sleeve
problems.
> Finally, the ONLY thing that was done
> which had nothing to do
with tranny
> /transfer case at the time of my repair
> is the
clutch which was changed just
> because it was "convenient" while
they
> were there.
It would be silly to not replace the clutch while the tranny is off unless
you've got under 5,000 miles on it. Its a heck of a lot more
convenient to
just swap it out while you have the tranny off for something
else rather than
waiting.
Personally, if I got 164,000 miles out of the original transfer case I
would
just count myself lucky that something didn't break sooner. I
broke mine (big
time) at 62,000 miles.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:03:34 -0500
From: "Mike Frey" <
mike21b@ptd.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Transfer Case / recall / new tranny
With 160,000 miles on my 92 RT/TT and all original transmission and
transfer
case, it's time for new ones anyway. However, with this recall
business, an
issue and some questions come to mind:
I had my car at the Mitsu dealer about 2 years ago for major tune-up
and
timing belt change. They told me at the time that my transfer case had
run
out of oil and was "ruined".
In their words, "there's no way that transfer case is applying any power
to
the rear wheels". I knew it was since I had just been in snow and
was
getting nice traction to all 4 wheels. So, I told them to leave it as
is.
They refilled it with oil but told me that it was dangerous - that it
could
lock up at any time and send the car out of control. I sort of
didn't
believe them - but now assume that they had knowledge of the
problem.
So now, fast forward 2 years (and only 15,000 miles later)....
Since the transfer case no longer leaks and it has oil in it, I am
concerned
that the Dodge dealer will pronounce it "OK". Maybe I should drain
it before
I take it in??
If Dodge replaces my transfer case, will I save money if I purchase a
new
transmission from Kormex? Their quoted price includes a transfer case.
If
there is no point in pushing the issue, then I won't bother to harass
my
local Dodge dealer.
While on the subject of transmissions, there is a rebuilder in Phoenix
that
advertises on eBay from time to time. Anyone have any experience with
them?
Mike
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:14:37 -0500
From: "Mike Frey" <
mike21b@ptd.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rear
drive shaft bearings??
My local mechanic (who I trust) told me that there are 2 worn out
bearings
on the rear drive shaft of my RT/TT, and that they are expensive -
something
like $200 each.
?????
Does anyone know what he is referring to, and if that's the true price
(from
the local Dodge dealer).
I have an account with Conicelli Mitsubishi (
www.trademotion.com) and, if
the parts
for the VR4 are the same I guess I could get them from there, if
they have
them.
I could (will, if necessary) get him to show me, but I'm at work all day
and
usually only talk to him on the phone.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:07:44 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Rear drive shaft bearings??
The driveshafts themselves are not serviceable The 'U' joints are not meant
to
be replaced although a driveshaft shop can repair them. The bearings
he
might be referring to are the carrier bearings that support the shaft and
have
rubber isolation bushings that reduce vibration from reaching the car.
I've
heard pricing on them and as I recall they were in the $50 range. CAPS
shows one of the parts to be MB505495.
Jim Berry
====================================================
> My local mechanic (who I trust) told me that there are 2 worn out
bearings
> on the rear drive shaft of my RT/TT, and that they are
expensive - something
> like $200 each.
>
> ?????
>
> Does anyone know what he is referring to, and if that's the true price
(from
> the local Dodge dealer).
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:43:57 EST
From:
GMightymoose@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
transmission schematics
Can anyone please assist me in finding the complete transmission schematics
for a 92 VR4 5-speed. I realize this was a split year on that
particular
transmission; but if anyone could assist me with schematics for
both trannys
I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any
and all information
James G
99 & 92 VR4
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:22:02 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Fw: Team3S:
transmission schematics
There are no schematics for the manual transmissions --- there is a cross
sectional diagram
in the shop manual.
Jim Berry
===================================================
Can anyone please assist me in finding the complete transmission
schematics for a 92 VR4 5-speed. I realize this was a split
year
on that particular transmission; but if anyone could assist me with
schematics for both trannys I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in
advance for any and all information
James G
99 & 92 VR4
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I have the right bolt. It just seems like the driver side stay does
not
want to match up with the plenum just right. I was just wondering
if
there was some trick to it. Like putting both stay bolts on before
you
bolt the front down.
Joseph
93 vr-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
Sent: Wednesday,
December 18, 2002 3:40 AM
I don't really know that you used the right bolt with the appropriate
length ? They all should screw in easily without much torque then. The
torque for all the bolts can be found in the repair manual. No, you
don't
need a new gasket.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:41:47 -0800
From: John Sheehan <
johns@kyso.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1st gen
Headlight Recommendations
I am in need of new headlights for a 1st generation VR-4 and am
looking
for recommendations on what to get. Some time ago some one had
mentioned
a Ice White XENON HID headlamp made by "Wagner". Any input or
ideas
would be greatly appreciated ! These last ones were Silvania halogens,
ok, but not great. Thank you !
John
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:31:31 -0500
From: Bill Ma <
BillMa@FLAGCOMM.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Transfer case recall
Just took my 92 VR4 to Colonial Mitsu in Danbury, CT and it looks like
I'll
be getting a new transfer case.
The reason I'm writing about it is because I have a Super-AFC, DSBC,
a-pillar
gauges, etc in my car and they didn't say anything about it.
BTW, they said it looks like someone changed the front half of
the
driveshaft with a non-oem part. I know I didn't do it. Just a
curiosity.
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:37:21 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <
jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: driver side plenum stay bolt.
>> I was just wondering if there was some trick to it.
>>
Like putting both stay bolts on before you bolt the front down.
That is, in fact, just the tip I have in my web page on changing the spark
plugs. See the "Installation" section.
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:00:39 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <
jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: transmission schematics
Other than the number of splines on the center output shaft, there was no
change in the W5MG1 transaxle in 1992 that I know of. That doesn't mean
there
were not any because there is very little documentation on the W5MG1
internals.
Does this exploded view of the 5-spd (aka Getrag 440) from CRS help?
The image for the 6-spd (aka Getrag 446) has lesser graphic quality.
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
GMightymoose@aol.com Sent: Wednesday,
December 18, 2002 7:43 PM
Can anyone please assist me in finding the complete transmission schematics
for a 92 VR4 5-speed. I realize this was a split year on that
particular
transmission; but if anyone could assist me with schematics for
both trannys I
would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any
and all information
James G
99 & 92 VR4
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