Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Tuesday, December 17 2002 Volume
02 : Number 027
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:06:16 -0500
From: "Mike Mills" <
artof3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: lost on this one....
Hey team,
This is my first letter out so bare with me! The problem I
need help with is
my idle speed. I first noticed this over thanksgiving
vacation I am from New
York and went to Maryland on the way back I was just
leaving Maryland and
needed some gas but put in only like 3 gallons to get
me to PA since gas
their is SO much less expensive, I accidentally put in 89
octane =( cause
Maryland's stupid octane ratings are not in correct order.
so I got to pa
and filled up with 94 octane. I made it to NYC and when I
stopped at a toll
I noticed my idle went to 3000 and then dropped back to
idle speed and then
went back and forth to 1000 too 2000rpms. up and down up
and down.....so I
turned the car off at my friends house and let it cool
down for like an hour
since I had just drove 5 hours straight. after that it
drove fine back to my
home and hour away. so I let all the mixed 89 and 94
burn outta my tank for
a few days and after that it completely stopped. Oh
yeah before it stopped
when the fuel was low it almost stalled a few times
on its own.
So between now and then it has never happened again I just
figured it was
the mix fuel causing some water in the gas tank or something.
but just this
past Saturday I drove 1 1/2 hours to Albany and it started
again!!!! and I'm
about to go out now and see how she is....Any suggestions
or help would be
greatly appreciated....only things I can think of that it
might be are her
fuel pump, water pump, idle control module I'm Lost On This
One..... P.s. one more thing I raced a few weeks back (and it happened
once again
since then) my acceleration pedal would get stuck to the floor
and rev up to
7000rpm but not go above that I figured maybe I need to
retighten the cable
or use some penetrating oil since it might just need
lubrication..... PLEASE
HELP...thanks guys/and gals
Mike M.
'92 3000gt SL
Metallic White
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Mike -
Sounds like your idle control servo to me. My VR-4 did the same thing
when it started to go out. It's not a cheap part, but it's easy to
replace. Just pull the intake pipe from the throttle body and you'll be
able to see it there below. It's held in with two 10mm bolts if
memory serves me. It's about a 20 minute job from start to
finish. Good luck with it!
- -- Travis
'94 3000GT VR-4
'97 Eclipse GSX
'97 Supra TT
> I made it to NYC and when I stopped at a toll
> I noticed my
idle went to 3000 and then dropped back to idle speed and
> then went
back and forth to 1000 too 2000rpms. up and down up and
> down.....so I
turned the car off at my friends house and let it cool
> down for like an
hour since I had just drove 5 hours straight.
>
> Any suggestions or
help would be
> greatly appreciated....only things I can think of that it
might be are
> her fuel pump, water pump, idle control module I'm Lost On
This
> One.....
>
> Mike M.
> '92 3000gt SL
>
Metallic White
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:36:22 -0500
From: Michael Tanenbaum <
gtg509d@mail.gatech.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: hesitation in gear w/o throttle
Hello again,
As I'm driving the car to the mechanic to see what he says, the car seemed
to
warm up sufficiently enough to run smoothly and idle at a good
rate. The
mechanic said that the way the car was running is a function
of the computer.
My computer is a remanufactured one - mine went bad a
month or so ago. I had
the capacitors replaced, but it still wasn't up
to par. The mechanic said a
bad throttle position sensor (TPS) might
be responsible for the leaky
capacitors in the computer. Should I try
my original computer again now that
there is a new TPS? If not, will
the new computer eventually learn to run well
and idle well without a long
warm up (~10 minutes)?
Thanks,
Michael
> Michael,
>
> Have you done
any clutch work? Also have you
> adjusted the clutch? It sounds like that
may be a
> problem or it could possibly be the something with the
>
idle. How does it idle when warm?
> Brody
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:11:38 +0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: I'm back, what the heck is THIS??
It goes on the rear head on the passenger side, over one of the cam seal
ends
(or somewhere thereabouts) and if I remember right it either holds one
of the
clamps for the water lines to the rear turbo or the attachment for
the spark
plug wire loom thingy. Either way, it goes on somewhere
right around there.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:49:24 +0000
From:
mjannusch@attbi.comSubject: Re:
Team3S: egr question
> I can second Alex's shameless plug for Bob K. (ek2mfg).
> I just
received a set of his EGR block-off plates (3)
> and they are nicely
manufactured. I have not installed
> them yet, but the benefit I
anticipate is a cleaner
> plenum and the elimination of any potential leak
through
> the EGR system during boost.
I'll third the plug! :-)
I've got the EGR plates and the fuel rail loop upgrade. All the parts
are
excellent quality. I don't have mine installed yet due to lack of
time to
work on the car, but everything was shipped super-quick and without
any hassle
at all. Great stuff...
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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I've had to replace several broken studs, and I found that they were pretty
easy to tap out with a hammer. You just have to be able to rotate the hub
around to the spot where there is clearance behind them.
At 07:22 PM 12/14/2002, Joe Kenwabikise wrote:
>Hey all,
>just
got my new wheel hubs in and want to put in longer studs for a
>spacer. Any suggestions for getting the stock studs out/new studs
in?
>I'm assuming they'll need to be pressed in/out, just looking for any
>easy methods for doing so.
>
>Thanks,
>Joe K
>91
RT/TT black
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:07:31 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: 3S-Racers:
Re: Team3S: Custom 6spd Gearbox from PowerHausII offered...
I would think not ---- however, it would be easy to call the outfit that is
responsible for our transmissions and now sells parts.
Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rachell" <
damonr@mefas.com>
Sent: Monday,
December 16, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: 3S-Racers: Re: Team3S: Custom 6spd
Gearbox from PowerHausII offered...
> has anyone ever figured out if the gearing from the 5 & 6 speeds
are
> interchangeable? For instance, road racers might want 1, 2,
and 5 from
> the 5-speed while 3 & 4 from the 6 since 2 & 3 are
used most and this
> combo offers closer ratios. maybe even
swap in the 6th gear into a 5
> speed box for greater fuel
economy.
>
> Sounds like a much cheaper alternative than having
custom boxes made
> from scratch.
>
> Whatcha think?
>
Damon
>
> fastmax wrote:
>
> > There's always
interest until you mention price --- everybody wants
> > one if they
cost $100 but as soon as you mention $8000 the labored
> > breathing
begins. I think you'd have to be a hard core racer to
> > spend 8
large on a tranny --- that's 4 rebuilt units. It would still
> > be
interesting to find out if he did any further checking though.
>
>
> > Jim berry
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:39:37 -0500
From: Vinny <
vinman3@comcast.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Turbo Sequential?
HI guys,
A guy at worked asked me if our VR4 turbo's
were sequential or not? I didn't know what to tell him. I know
what that means but I don't know which ones we had?
Thanks
Vinny
96 Black Impala SS
93 Pearl VR4
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:50:39 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Turbo Sequential?
Our turbos run in parallel, not sequential. But first tell him that
they're perpendicular, just to see if he buys it. :)
- - Brian
> HI guys,
> A guy at worked asked me if
our VR4 turbo's were
> sequential or not? I
> didn't know what
to tell him. I know what that means but I
> don't know
which
> ones we had?
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:06:29 -0500
From: "Darren Schilberg" <
dschilberg@pobox.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Turbo Sequential?
Vinny,
Our turbos are not sequential. The Supra is though.
- --Flash!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vinny
Sent: Monday, December 16,
2002 19:40
A guy at worked asked me if our VR4 turbo's were
sequential or not?
I didn't know what to tell him. I know what that
means but I don't know
which ones we had?
Thanks
Vinny
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:13:17 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Turbo Sequential?
The RX-7 has sequential turbos, but I'm pretty sure the Supra is a parallel
twin turbo setup like the VR-4.
- - Brian
> Vinny,
>
> Our turbos are not sequential. The Supra
is though.
>
> --Flash!
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:19:39 -0500
From:
songsay@cs.comSubject: Team3S: turbo
the supra has sequential turbo, a smaller one at lower rpm, then the fatty
one just a little more boost at higher rpm, not as good, I saw a stock
supra get toasted by an Audi a-4. that is why they bust out with the
single turbo conversion, and fatty intercooler.
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:26:05 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Turbo Sequential?
Strike this. I just checked, and it looks like the Supra IS a
sequential turbo setup. That's what I get for doing my own
thinking!
- - Brian
> The RX-7 has sequential turbos, but I'm pretty sure the Supra
>
is a parallel twin turbo setup like the VR-4.
>
> - Brian
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Um, you sure that was a turbo Supra... my Talon will walk an A-4,
and
it would more than likely be beat by a stock Supra on a roll... On
the
strip, it'd be a good race, hell it'd be a good race between a stock
VR4
and a Supra... By no means are stock Supra's slow...
Off the list...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From:
songsay@cs.comSent: Monday, December 16,
2002 7:20 PM
Subject: Team3S: turbo
the supra has sequential turbo, a smaller one at lower rpm, then
the
fatty one just a little more boost at higher rpm, not as good, I saw
a
stock supra get toasted by an Audi a-4. that is why they bust out
with
the single turbo conversion, and fatty intercooler.
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:51:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger L <
yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Supra vs VR4
Although I have never raced a supra... from everything I have read about
the two cars and the multitude of war stories (stock):1) The VR4 will pull
the supra through the first few gears.2) The Supra will win the 1/4 mile
at higher MPH.3) From a roll the Supra will pull the VR4.Now this is everything
being equal, as in drivers, gas, lanes, stock setups, etc....
Roger L
F15DOC
Rose Bowl 2002!
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:02:35 +0800
From: "John Stegall III" <
jstegall@programmer.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Custom 6spd Gearbox from PowerHausII offered...
Yes, but what if the $8000 is worth it? What if the 8K means the
tranny lasts 2, 3, 4 or more times as long as the mitsu tranny? Not
to mention how much longer will our trannies be available, 5 or 10 years?
After that, I'm sure the prices will get jacked up well above $2000 due to
supply.
Speaking of our trannies, I had mentioned in the same email, what happened
to the recall? My local satan recognized the recall, but said no fix
was released yet? They feeding me a line?
John
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002
14:25:42 -0800
Subject: Re: Team3S: Custom 6spd Gearbox from PowerHausII
offered...
Re: There's always interest until you mention price --- everybody wants one
if they cost
Re: $100 but as soon as you mention $8000 the labored breathing
begins. I think you'd
Re: have to be a hard core racer to spend 8 large on a
tranny --- that's 4 rebuilt units.
Re: It would still be interesting to find
out if he did any further checking though.
Re:
Re: Jim berry
Re:
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Re: ----- Original Message
-----
Re: From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Re:
Re: >
AFAIK, Chris never got any inquiries about the custom gearbox he offered.
Re:
> I've seen him at the area tracks a couple of times (he races his Porsche),
and
Re: > he never mentioned any more about it, so I guess he got little
or no response
Re: > from Team3S folks. If people are still
interested, they should contact him
Re: > directly at his website
www.PowerHaus.com, out of Scottsdale.
If there is new
Re: > interest in this, I'll be seeing him at Sears Point
in early Feb, when the
Re: > NorCal racing season starts up again. I
can talk it up with him and ask
Re: > whatever questions you might
have... This guy is the real deal, and does
Re: > impressive
work. We have some pix of his Porsche Turbo-S from Laguna Seca up
Re:
> on our site:
Re: >
www.Team3S.com/PowerHausII/Laguna052601.htmRe:
>
Re: > Best,
Re: > Forrest
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:18:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger L <
yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
CarFax
If you have a carfax account and can run a VIN for me, please send me a
email. Appreciate it...
Roger L
F15DOC
Rose Bowl 2002!
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:22 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <
kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: alignment
I've had good luck with the Goodyear Tire Express (or Express Tire) in
the
Sports Arena area, and the one in Oceanside on 78 by In-and-Out
Burger. I
was not impressed by their San Marcos store though. For
simple suspension
work, you can try Suspension Plus on Midway Drive, by the
Sports Arena.
Good luck,
Ken
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Raleigh" <
raleigh@san.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday,
December 15, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: alignment
> Can anyone recommend a good alignment shop in the SoCal area, ideally
San
> Diego? My '92 R/T TT pulls to the left, and I haven't been able to
find an
> alignment shop here in the San Diego area that could identify
the problem.
I
> don't think the shops I've taken it to have 4-wheel
alignment equipment.
I'm
> not sure that it's an alignment problem, I
suspect it's a bad strut or
> some other worn suspension component. I can
hear a muffled knocking sound
> coming from the front when going over a
speed bump or pothole, but I don't
> know that it's related to the
pulling. I've replaced the tires, so I know
> it's not related to tire
wear.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good shop here in this area that
has 4 wheel
> alignment equipment, and ideally has experience working with
our 3S 4WS
> suspension?
>
> Thanks,
> Raleigh
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:58:43 +1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: hesitation in gear w/o throttle
> My computer is a remanufactured one - mine went bad a month or so
ago.
> I had the capacitors replaced
"Remanufactured" is salesman's talk for "replaced the capacitors", more
than
likely it's a dud. Try another one, one that you know that works.
Steve
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:42:30 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <
jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Turbo Sequential?
Everybody knows I am not one to nit picks. :) But in turbo "talk", **true**
sequential turbos are ones where one turbo feeds into the next turbo. This
makes awesome power (very dense intake charge) and is popular with the
tractor
pull competitors.
There are no production cars I am aware of that use true sequential turbos.
If
I remember correctly, the Supra inline-six setup uses parallel turbos
with a
complicated "cross over system" that directs exhaust flow to one or
both
turbos, depending on engine operating conditions. The *activation* of
the
turbos is sequential (of a sort). The turbos themselves (which I think
are
larger than our 15Gs) are "parallel", as ours are.
With modification, the Supra's inline six engine permits easy feed of all
exhaust into one manifold outlet and so permits the use of a single large
turbo - one suitable for 3L worth of exhaust. With a twin setup such as
ours,
each turbo only gets 1.5L worth of exhaust, usually insufficient to
effectively drive large turbos.
The consequence is that turbos that are sized to be useful on our engines
only
develop a maximum of 2.8 to 3.1 pressure ratio (PR). Meaning maximum
boost of
twice atmospheric pressure, or about 30 psi near sea level (at the
turbo).
Many large (actually medium size in the big picture) turbos can
support a
maximum PR of about 4, allowing boost as high as about 44
psi.
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