Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Wednesday, December 4 2002  Volume 02 : Number 016
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:20:37 -0600
From: Jon Paine <ppainej@attglobal.net>
Subject: Team3S: 6-speed trans questions...
 
I have a couple of possible issues (adjustments?) with the trans in my
1994 VR4, and wanted to bounce this off the list. Possibly it's just
that I don't know what to expect from the beast, as the first one I've
driven is the one I own.
 
I was concerned about the shifting smoothness of the trans so I changed
out the oil (whatever was in there) for the recommended 50/50 blend of
MTL and MTL-90. The shifting is now much smoother and faster,
particularly in the 1-2 range, but:
 
Should I be able to downshift to 1st at speeds above 1-2 MPH, and if so,
what is the usual point the trans will allow the shift to be done? Could
this indicate a worn synchro on 1st gear?
 
Where is the normal 'neutral' point of the shifter? I have the
impression that the lever should align with the 3-4 forks when left to
itself, but mine aligns somewhere just to the right of the 1-2 forks
(makes it a REAL pain to find 5 and 6 from there). Can this be taken
care of by adjusting the control cables?
 
Thanks,
Jon
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:08:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port matching
 
Well, that's how I see most all shops do it. 
 
Port matching assumes runner widening.
 
IMHO, the right way to do this, is via extrude honing.
 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, fastmax wrote:
 
> That will work in some cases but often the gasket is as much as 1/8"
> bigger than the ports so you just have a wide spot in the flow --- not
> a good thing. For the most part the book sez don't gasket match unless
> you can do the whole  runner.
>
>         Jim Berry ===================================================
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:19:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port matching
 
*heh*
 
Well, you asked about port MATCHING, and that's how you'd do that.  Runner work is just an option  most of the time.
 
I EXHoned the Celica manifold, and got a 22% increase in CRM.
 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, fastmax wrote:
 
> I agree on extrude honing but current finances prohibit that --- it's
> a pretty expensive operation. Unless, of course, Speedtoys would like
> to become a sponsor of a nice red 93 TT --- as primary sponsor you'd
> have your choice of locations for your decals. I could even set up a
> corporate ride along at the track for your many employees, plus I'm
> willing to give motivational speeches at corporate functions.
>
>         Jim Berry
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:16:37 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port matching
 
I agree on extrude honing but current finances prohibit that --- it's a
pretty expensive operation. Unless, of course, Speedtoys would like to become a sponsor of a nice  red 93 TT --- as primary sponsor you'd have your choice of locations for your decals. I could even  set up a corporate ride along at the track for your many employees, plus I'm willing to give  motivational speeches at corporate functions.
 
        Jim Berry ======================================================
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:32:27 -0500
From: "John Monnin" <John.Monnin@3Si.zzn.com>
Subject: Team3S: Port Matching
 
I am not a porting expert but I read a great article on it by Joe
Mondello a Chevy Porting expert and Oldsmobile performance guru.  He
has some articles on his website:
 
http://www.mondellotwister.com/
 
Below are some suggestions he made in his technical manual that I
didn't see listed on his website. (I am listing this from memory, I
sold my manual with my 69 Cutlass convertible 4 years ago)
 
1. Gasket matching is NOT the best way to port. The stock Gasket is
usually much larger than the passage so gasket matching will cause a
bulge in the intake path.  For example having a 2" dia passage expand
to 2 1/2" dia passage them go back down to a 2" dia passage may
actually hurt performance.
 
2.  You want Smooth flow in 1 direction,  Your goal is to have intake
flow into cylinder and exhaust flow out of cylinder. So you want to
port the downstream portion as much as possible.
For example the joint between the 2 intake plenums.
You want to port the lower intake plenum so that air flowing into it
does not hit a step, BUT you do not care if there is a step if the
air is flowing in the wrong direction.  He stated a mistake people
often make is porting heads to match headers, the step going into a
larger diameter header will prevent exhaust from being sucked back
into cylinder.  Porting the head too much on exhaust side may cause
you to loose the anti-reversion effect and loose power.  I have no
idea if this applies to turbo cars too.
 
3.  To mark cylinders cut a piece of very thick paper (or thin
cardboard) in the shape of the outer edge of the gaskets, including
mounting holes Don&#8217;t cut out holes for the ports.  Apply dyechem to
both mating parts , install this paper like a gasket and bolt the 2
parts together.  Then unbolt the parts and you will see how closely
your ports match by the imprints, and dye, on the paper gasket, Then
use the upstream imprint as a guide to port the downstream part. I
used an X-acto knife to cut he upstream port in the gasket then
scribed the upstream profile on the downstream part. It is more
important to get all ports matched in size than to try to make every
port as large as possible.
 
I ported a set old 350 olds heads and some parts were mis-aligned by
as much as 3/16&#8221;!  I checked my 3000Gt and the parts were so close
that the only parts I ported were the O2 housing and the exhaust
manifolds.  I couldn&#8217;t port too much because  These parts really need
to have weld added so that you don&#8217;t port completely through the
tubing.  See pictures on my website.
 
http://johnmonnin.netfirms.com/4boltModified.html
 
Unfortunately I had my valves done before I looked into porting my VR- 4&#8217;s heads I do wish  that I had polished my combustion chambers to
reduce the chance of detonation.  The castings around the valve
guides also had room for improvement. But one thing I learned form my
Olds heads is that it is REALLY easily to slip and nick the valve
seat so I would not port in this area unless I was planning on
getting a valve job afterwards.
 
John Monnin
1991 VR-4
4-bolt main conversion
http://johnmonnin.netfirms.com
 
Original message below.
> I'm looking to port match a few components --- head to manifold,
> turbo to precat eliminator etc. --- any tips on marking the
> surfaces to be matched.  Once mated the openings are no longer
> visible so there's no way to mark the two mating surfaces ---
> comments anyone.
>
>         Jim Berry
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:35:38 -0700
From: Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject: Team3S: ECS light problem
 
Hi Folks:  My ECS light on the dash of my 92 Stealth TT has been acting erratically.  Sometimes it  is on and working properly.  Sometimes it is off= . Sometimes both =B3tour=B2 and =B3sport=B9  flash together at the same time. Sometimes when I turn off the car and restart it everything  clears up. Other times not.  Has anybody run into this before?
 
Chip Greenberg
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:34 -0800
From: "James Mutton" <james@playstream.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
Since you didn't specify which manifold you were going to be port matching and most of your other  work listed was on the exhaust side, I'd caution you with this.  It is not a good idea for your  exhaust manifold and head output ports to be the exact same size.  Ideally your Exhaust manifold  or headers should have a slightly larger port size then your head exhaust port.  This "step"  really helps reduce the effects of reversion pulses shoving exhaust back into your cylinder.  If  the ports are the same size (or even worse, the head port is bigger then the exhaust manifold  port) the result can be worse then if you had not ported it at all.  That said, everything  downstream of your manifold could be port matched for a flow improvement.
 
- -James
95 VR-4
(with the intake side ported and the No Alternator Mod)
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax [mailto:fastmax@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port matching
 
I agree on extrude honing but current finances prohibit that --- it's a
pretty expensive operation. Unless, of course, Speedtoys would like to become a sponsor of a nice  red 93 TT --- as primary sponsor you'd have your choice of locations for your decals. I could even  set up a corporate ride along at the track for your many employees, plus I'm willing to give  motivational speeches at corporate functions.
 
        Jim Berry ======================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
 
> Well, that's how I see most all shops do it.
>
> Port matching assumes runner widening.
>
> IMHO, the right way to do this, is via extrude honing.
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:41:06 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port matching
 
You do not use the OEM gasket for that! You make your own gasket using only
one of the two mating ports. Then you align that gasket with the other port
and grind off everything that sticks out with a Dremel tool. Then you make
another gasket using the other port and grind out the original port and you
are done.
 
Philip
 
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That will work in some cases but often the gasket is as much as 1/8" bigger
than the ports so you just have a wide spot in the flow --- not a good
thing.
 
For the most part the book sez don't gasket match unless you can do the
whole  runner.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:45:19 -0700
From: Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECS light problem
 
Hi AI
 
Nope, the battery is less than a year old.  Everything else
including starting seems fine.
 
> Low battery?
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:56:56 -0700
From: Chip Greenberg <chipg@pvtnetworks.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECS light problem
 
Fantastic.  Thanks James!
 
> This is a common occurrence when there is a problem with the wiring
> harness on top of the struts (under the rubber caps in the front).
> Remove the caps, check the wiring, and solder where necessary.  Could
> be something else, but that's usually what it is.
>
> -James
> 95 VR-4
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:59:05 -0800
From: "eK2mfg" <eK2mfg@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port Matching
 
OK now I am worried, I was going to CNC machine the exhaust ports to match
the header flanges I had made. Now this is bad? It wont have a step that was
mentioned earlier, but a smooth as possible chamber (not extrude honed) all
CNC cut. then down the tubes a bit a collector to scavenge the gasses and
get some benefit from that idea. Am I heading the wrong direction here? I
will be going with more mods to the heads to warrant the work.
How much of a step is needed? I have 1/8" now...my flange matches the
gasket perfectly :) it is what I do :)
So how much then 1/16th? if it's done right and no bulb as it were put is
there then continue?
 
James let me know before I start this...don't want to waist a set of
heads....also the area at the bottom of the exhaust side of the head is very
thin, I will be having filled by our welders to remove this condition.
 
let me know.
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:27:45 -0800
From: "James Mutton" <james@playstream.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port Matching
 
Around 2 mm (~.060 to .080) is usually enough.
 
- -James
95 VR-4
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: eK2mfg [mailto:eK2mfg@attbi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port Matching
 
OK now I am worried, I was going to CNC machine the exhaust ports to
match the header flanges I had made. Now this is bad? It wont have a
step that was mentioned earlier, but a smooth as possible chamber (not
extrude honed) all CNC cut. then down the tubes a bit a collector to
scavenge the gasses and get some benefit from that idea. Am I heading
the wrong direction here? I will be going with more mods to the heads
to warrant the work. How much of a step is needed? I have 1/8" now...my
flange matches the gasket perfectly :) it is what I do :) So how much
then 1/16th? if it's done right and no bulb as it were put is there then
continue?
 
James let me know before I start this...don't want to waist a set of
heads....also the area at the bottom of the exhaust side of the head is
very thin, I will be having filled by our welders to remove this
condition.
 
let me know.
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:45:57 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
I wonder where that 2-mm step came from? This step sounds just as
reasonable as removing all the honeycombs from a MAS to improve
performance.
 
There is already something in the exhaust system that "reduces
the effects of reversion pulses shoving exhaust back into your
cylinder". It is called the exhaust valves.
 
Philip
 
- --------------------------------------------------
 
Since you didn't specify which manifold you were going to be port
matching and most of your other work listed was on the exhaust side, I'd
caution you with this.  It is not a good idea for your exhaust manifold
and head output ports to be the exact same size.  Ideally your Exhaust
manifold or headers should have a slightly larger port size then your
head exhaust port.  This "step" really helps reduce the effects of
reversion pulses shoving exhaust back into your cylinder.  If the ports
are the same size (or even worse, the head port is bigger then the
exhaust manifold port) the result can be worse then if you had not
ported it at all.  That said, everything downstream of your manifold
could be port matched for a flow improvement.
 
- -James
95 VR-4
(with the intake side ported and the No Alternator Mod)
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:04:56 -0800
From: "James Mutton" <james@playstream.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
Actually that would be backwards.  I'm not aware of any car that comes
"Port Matched" from the factory, the step is there stock in virtually
all cars.  So using your comparison, removing the step would be just as
reasonable as removing all the honeycombs from the MAS. ;)
 
- -James
95 VR-4
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
I wonder where that 2-mm step came from? This step sounds just as
reasonable as removing all the honeycombs from a MAS to improve
performance.
 
There is already something in the exhaust system that "reduces the
effects of reversion pulses shoving exhaust back into your cylinder". It
is called the exhaust valves.
 
Philip
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:19:43 -0500
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
So your suggestion is not to do port matching since nobody does it at the
factory, right? Or port match only a little bit, til you have a step that
is exactly 2 mm high? Where did that idea and that 2-mm number come from
anyway?
 
Philip
 
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Actually that would be backwards.  I'm not aware of any car that comes
"Port Matched" from the factory, the step is there stock in virtually
all cars.  So using your comparison, removing the step would be just as
reasonable as removing all the honeycombs from the MAS. ;)
 
- -James
95 VR-4
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:38:48 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: follow-up: my stealth is DONE :(
 
Weird, 5 years ago Spokane County was 10K.... When I did my last 2 cases
here in King, I didn't ask. Ether way, I had someone refuse to pay on a court
order. Judge told me you can come in 30 days after the order and get a piece
of paper that will allow you to withdraw from their bank account... We were
going to do that, but the company went under and closed their accounts...
They also told us that you can charge 12% interest past the 30 days...
 
However, that is all a mute point if you cant sue for however much damage
they did. Check, maybe over there you can. Takes just a phone call...
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: eK2mfg [mailto:eK2mfg@attbi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: follow-up: my stealth is DONE :(
 
small claims is 2k Ty...just went through it....at least in King
County...some run up to 5k.
No lawyers, No judge Judy...just your story then theirs...then the right to
collect....not a check by any means...just the right to collect...you can
sell that to a collection agency for about half the value though.
 
bobk.
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:43:27 -0500
From: "Robbin Liu" <rliu6@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
My clutch recently went out on me on my 3000gt. The pedal went all the way
to the ground.  When I brought it to the dealership they wanted to charge me
1100 dollars for the clutch and to replace the hydraulic system in my car.  I
live in the West Lafayette area.  Is this a good price for getting this
problem fixed?  They gave me a list of parts they need to replace and the
price.
 
1.  Clutch master  MB555277 - 107.99
2.  Slave cycle      MD770482 - 58.56
3.  Throw bearing MD749998 - 30.14
4.  Clutch disc       MD745934 - 91.89
5.  Pressure plate  MD739223 - 105.47
 
If you can help it would be really great.  Should I look for a different
place or go with that price?
 
Sincerely,
 
Robbin Liu
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:49:48 -0800
From: "James Mutton" <james@playstream.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
Bob is machining heads which goes a bit beyond porting/polishing/port
matching/etc...  2 mm is a ballpark figure.  This is why I used the
words "usually enough" and the symbol ~, because especially as of late
the "banter group" on this list has been brutal for non-exact numbers.
I've had a porting job on a small block fords use an 80 thousands size
step (which to save you a trip to the calculator is right near 2 mm).
This is where my number comes from.  Bob would probably have been
happier if I would have said "use 0.07815471123484120 inch for best
application of this principal" but then I wouldn't be able to use the
little about symbol (~). :)  Truthfully, I understand that you can
afford and benefit from a much larger step then this (such as the 1/8th
that Bob mentioned), but this is what I've had done and thus what I
posted.  I wouldn't want to state my opinion or anything like that here.
;)
 
The "idea" has been around for a long time, it's not my invention and I
don't take credit for its discovery.  It's a proven, and accepted
practice in NA & Supercharged cars and it has dyno proven benefits.
There is not AS MUCH data supporting it's application on turbo-charged
cars but there is some and there is no data to my knowledge indicating
that this principal hurts the performance of a turbocharged car.  Bob
drives an NA stealth anyway so it's far more applicable for him.
 
You could read a bunch of books that all state this principal, or spend
5 seconds doing a search on Google (whose results I'd be a bit more
skeptical about) but almost every article you find will mention this
step.
 
- -James
95 VR-4
"Suggesting that everyone who has a post involving
numbers attach their resume as well as 5 references
so the 'engineers' of this group will get warm and fuzzy"
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com [mailto:pvg1@daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
So your suggestion is not to do port matching since nobody does it at
the factory, right? Or port match only a little bit, til you have a step
that is exactly 2 mm high? Where did that idea and that 2-mm number come
from anyway?
 
Philip
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:14:13 +0100
From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <norbolig@online.no>
Subject: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
Hello,
 
perhaps a boring theme, but I was ordering a set of original Floor Mats =
for a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo today, and was told by the Dealer =
that these are discontinued.
 
I would be glad if anyone could give me some advise where to find a set =
of new original floor mats (what will they cost, and was they delivered =
only in grey color?) ...
 
Best regards,
Roger L. Skoglund
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Port matching
 
> There is already something in the exhaust system that "reduces
> the effects of reversion pulses shoving exhaust back into your
> cylinder". It is called the exhaust valves.
 
True.  Part of the function of the exhaust valve is to reduce the amount of
exhaust gasses returning to the cylinder.  It works perfectly at the correct
rpm.  At lower rpms, the value stays open long enough for the exhaust gas to
flow back into the cylinder.  At higher rpms, it will close too soon to
allow the optimum amount of exhaust gasses to escape.  This is part of the
reason why power bands tend to have a bell curve.  This is a very simplified
explanation and there are many other factors involved.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with port matching to help the exhaust
valves do their job.  It is a practice that is well documented and proven to
produce more horse power.
 
What I would like to see tested on a turbo car is a Anti-Reversion exhaust
manifold.
 
Here is a description of one:
"These headers use a large primary tube for top-end power, but in the header
flange, there is a smaller diameter tube that extends about 1" into the
primary tube. This smaller tube makes a very good reversion dam and reduces
many of the drawbacks of a large tube header. The design provides very good
flow in the right direction and resists reverse flow."
 
It could be great in reducing back pressure or it could do nothing at all.
I haven't found anyone that has tested one no a turbo car.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:31:13 -0700
From: "Damien" <dabinch@actionsd.com>
Subject: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
I bought a set of original floor mats in beige for my '93 vr-4 from San
Rafael Mitsubishi.  They were $93.33 (3S discount).  They were delivered in
about 1 week (to Arizona).
 
Damien - '93 VR-4 Sorrento Red
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <norbolig@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:14 PM
Subject: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth
R/T twinturbo
 
Hello,
 
perhaps a boring theme, but I was ordering a set of original Floor Mats for
a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo today, and was told by the Dealer that
these are discontinued.
 
I would be glad if anyone could give me some advise where to find a set of
new original floor mats (what will they cost, and was they delivered only in
grey color?) ...
 
Best regards,
Roger L. Skoglund
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:39:49 -0600
From: "Scott J. Cowan" <sjc0u812@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
Roger et al:
 
I had the same problem last year.  Seems they are not making much anymore.
But my local dealer was able to get them from somewhere in Dallas.  Reply
off list if I can provide contact info.
 
Best,
 
SJ
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien" <dabinch@actionsd.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth
R/T twinturbo
 
> I bought a set of original floor mats in beige for my '93 vr-4 from San
> Rafael Mitsubishi.  They were $93.33 (3S discount).  They were delivered
> in about 1 week (to Arizona).
>
> Damien - '93 VR-4 Sorrento Red
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:44:50 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
www.3si.org has custom floor mats.  They're very nice and, except for
the logo, basically OEM.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger L. Skoglund [mailto:norbolig@online.no]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge
Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
Hello,
 
perhaps a boring theme, but I was ordering a set of original Floor Mats
for a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo today, and was told by the Dealer
that these are discontinued.
 
I would be glad if anyone could give me some advise where to find a set
of new original floor mats (what will they cost, and was they delivered
only in grey color?) ...
 
Best regards,
Roger L. Skoglund
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:04:20 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
I'm going to take a stab at this since nobody else has yet... I think that
if your pedal goes down to the floor and nothing happens you are likely to
just have a hydraulic problem or something much more simple. The only thing
I can see causing that in the clutch area itself is a broken "fork" or
throw-out-bearing which both happen but VERY rarely. I think you likely
popped a hose or a line and that just needs to be fixed. The dealer is, as
usual, is trying to rape you. Look at the little diagram under the hood of
where your fluids are. Take off the cap to the clutch fluid tank and see if
there is any in there. If its dry or very low your clutch is ok. Cylinders
can fail with fluid still in the tank, so I would check those too, its just
its not as easy... Where physically are you located?
 
Far as the work, doing the clutch is a PITA, I know I did mine few months
ago. $1100 after parts is not that bad for a dealer, but I am sure you can
get it cheaper. You should be more concerned that 90% of the work they want
to do is likely not needed.
 
Biggest advice I can give you is to NOT get a stock clutch if you are
replacing yours. Its a piece of garbage! It looks like it will be costing
you about $220 for clutch, pressure plate and bearing. For about double of
that (AND ITS WORTH IT!) you can get a good clutch from an aftermarket
source.
 
Good luck.
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Robbin Liu
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
My clutch recently went out on me on my 3000gt. The pedal went all the way
to the ground.  When I brought it to the dealership they wanted to charge me
1100 dollars for the clutch and to replace the hydraulic system in my car.  I
live in the West Lafayette area.  Is this a good price for getting this
problem fixed?  They gave me a list of parts they need to replace and the
price.
 
1.  Clutch master  MB555277 - 107.99
2.  Slave cycle      MD770482 - 58.56
3.  Throw bearing MD749998 - 30.14
4.  Clutch disc       MD745934 - 91.89
5.  Pressure plate  MD739223 - 105.47
 
If you can help it would be really great.  Should I look for a different
place or go with that price?
 
Sincerely,
 
Robbin Liu
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:32:52 -0700
From: Gabe Simoes <Gabe92RTTT@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: Port matching
 
I port matched my exhaust manifolds, and let me tell ya, there was
nothing but room for improvement on mine.  There were some very, very
nasty casting flaws on those things!! Each runner had a hump that rose
into the channel at least a 1/4"!  Matched um up and the restriction
was gone.  I'd recommend light porting to them.  From my scenario....I
could only improve performance by matching. 
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:45:21 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
I was also looking for some great floormats, and I ran across this site:
http://www.lloydmats.com/heavyweight_features.htm If you click on the dealers link you can get  some prices for them, they're pretty reasonable... Those are definitely some nice mats, and  they're at the top of my Christmas list. =0)
    -b
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:55:07 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: follow-up: my stealth is DONE :(
 
Absolutely contact a lawyer.  This isn't chump change - a couple hundred dollars for a  consultation and a letter or two is nothing compared to the $6000.  Besides, sometimes the letter  from the lawyer is all it takes to show the business that you're serious.   
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Riyan Mynuddin [mailto:riyan@hotpop.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:18 PM
> Subject: Team3S: follow-up: my stealth is DONE :(
>
> one last thing: I'm actively looking for individuals who are
> knowledgeable
> with the "law of the automotive industry" as well as an
> attorney that can
> give me some initial advice, if not more.
>
> Riyan
> 93 stealth rt tt
 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:57:54 -0800
From: Andrew Woll <awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo
 
mats.com
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <norbolig@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: Team3S: Regarding: Discontinued Floor Mats for 1991 Dodge Stealth
R/T twinturbo
 
Hello,
 
perhaps a boring theme, but I was ordering a set of original Floor Mats for
a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T twinturbo today, and was told by the Dealer that
these are discontinued.
 
I would be glad if anyone could give me some advise where to find a set of
new original floor mats (what will they cost, and was they delivered only in
grey color?) ...
 
Best regards,
Roger L. Skoglund
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:07:12 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Well, I'm still stuck w/ some really ugly factory wheels and some lame Wal-Mart wheel covers from  the previous owner... Still wondering about offsets, I found a real nice set of 17"x9"'s, w/ a  23mm offset, anyone know if they'll rub on the fenders? Planning on mounting some 265/40's if that  helps... Who's gone to their local wheelshop and done some fitting recently? Anyone?
    -b
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:41 PM
Subject: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Does anyone know what the limits are to the wheel sizes that will fit on our cars? For example,  maybe 18x9.5 with 30mm offset? How do you know the minimum offset until you start rubbing your  fenders? I've found data for the stock wheel sizes, and if I go to websites that offer wheels and  have fitment guides, it seems like they just use factory specs... Thanks in advance for any  help...
    -b
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:53:29 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
Well, if its a hydraulic problem, your master and slave cylinders may even
be ok. Sounds like one of the lines just popped. I don't even know where
Lafayette is man. I'm near Seattle in Washington State. If you were around
here I would even give you a hand, sounds like a real simple stupid thing.
 
Ask around here for a local shop to take it to. May want to try the message
boards on www.3si.org , lots of people there, likely someone in your area.
Do not pay more than $70-120 for labor. Its likely that just a piece of
hydraulic line has to be replaced.
 
Don't let people scam you. Best thing you can do is right when you go in
there, first words out of your mouth should be "I want all of my old parts
back when you are done". By law they have to give them to you. Some parts
have a "core charge" but none of these should. If they try to hustle you
with a "core charge" tell them that you want the part for a few days and
will bring it back for the core charge later. THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT TO YOU!
 
Reason you want to do this is because most shops will replace parts that do
not need to be replaced. They charge mark-up on parts, make money on that
and often charge extra labor too. By asking for your old parts back, you
have the option of testing them later (even if you don't know how) and then
when they test ok, the shop will be in trouble.
 
The stock clutch is a POS, but unless you were having problems with it
before, there is no need to replace it.
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Robbin Liu [mailto:rliu6@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
Hey Tyson,
 
There is a leak in the hydraulic system.  The fluid is empty as you
indicated.  I was wondering how much it would cost to get the hydraulic
system fixed?  I am located at Purdue University and that is in West
Lafayette.  Do you know a good place to take it up here?  Well if you can
help again I would be greatly appreciative.
 
Robbin Liu
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:02:33 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Wow, UMR???  I attended there for a couple semesters...
 
At any rate...  23mm offset is about 20 mm wrong...  Our cars should
have between 38 and 46 mm offsets for most aftermarket wheels...
 
You pretty much want to use factory specs, or close...
 
- -Cody
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Well, I'm still stuck w/ some really ugly factory wheels and some lame
Wal-Mart wheel covers from the previous owner... Still wondering about
offsets, I found a real nice set of 17"x9"'s, w/ a 23mm offset, anyone
know if they'll rub on the fenders? Planning on mounting some 265/40's
if that helps... Who's gone to their local wheelshop and done some
fitting recently? Anyone?
    -b
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:30:23 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
Anything but. Stock clutch slips and goes up in smoke way too easy. 6-12
hard launches and its done. I got a 4 puck sprung hub on my car now. Little
too much like a clutch switch... I would recommend more people to go one
step down. Stage 2-3. Spec and RPS seem to be the better choices. If you
don't do racing, I am sure your clutch will last you a while. I wore mine
out in about a year. Over the course of the year I did maybe 9 hard launches
with it,  and it was gone.
 
Tyson
www.tyspeedperformance.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: AINut [mailto:ainut1@telocity.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
Tyson, I replaced mine with a stock clutch.  Which one would you recommend
next time?
 
AI Nut
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:11:33 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Yeah, I go to UMR, I wasn't trying to brag though, it's automatically put into my name. =0)  Anywho, on http://www.discounttiredirect.com/ they have 9" wide wheels w/ a 35mm offset that you  can get, but I was hoping for just a touch more (or less rather) than that. I'd like to bump the  wheels out far enough to where they look sportier (and possibly increase handling?), but not look  skated... Know what I'm saying?
    -b
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Wow, UMR???  I attended there for a couple semesters...
 
At any rate...  23mm offset is about 20 mm wrong...  Our cars should
have between 38 and 46 mm offsets for most aftermarket wheels...
 
You pretty much want to use factory specs, or close...
 
- -Cody
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:31:19 -0700
From: "Trevor James" <trevorlj@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
+35mm on a 9" wide rim is about the edge of what I would run without looking
too "skate like" in my opinion. Good news is you'll have plenty of clearance
to run 275/35/18's on all 4 corners!
 
Trevor
96 R/T TT -  11.65@119.8 on 100 octane and 11.82@116.7 on 93 octane
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Yeah, I go to UMR, I wasn't trying to brag though, it's automatically put
into my name. =0) Anywho, on http://www.discounttiredirect.com/ they have 9"
wide wheels w/ a 35mm offset that you can get, but I was hoping for just a
touch more (or less rather) than that. I'd like to bump the wheels out far
enough to where they look sportier (and possibly increase handling?), but
not look skated... Know what I'm saying?
     -b
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:09:38 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Rear fascia treatments?
 
Not that there's anything wrong w/ the big wide red thing across the back of my '94 base Stealth,  but does anyone know of anything to do to the center thing to make it look better? It doesn't  really do anything, so I was thinking there was room for improvement... Has anyone done anything  cool to their rear center piece (the one between their tail-lights)?
    -b
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:57:57 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear fascia treatments?
 
This is of course kinda off-topic, but IIRC, you have a Stealth...  The
'99 rear center panel would prolly work for you, however, not sure what
it'd look like with the standard turn signals (there are differences
between the 3000 and the Stealth turn signals - 3 different styles
even)...
 
- -Cody
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:10 PM
Subject: Team3S: Rear fascia treatments?
 
Not that there's anything wrong w/ the big wide red thing across the
back of my '94 base Stealth, but does anyone know of anything to do to
the center thing to make it look better? It doesn't really do anything,
so I was thinking there was room for improvement... Has anyone done
anything cool to their rear center piece (the one between their
tail-lights)?
    -b
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:09:48 -0800
From: "BlackLight" <BlackLight@planetice.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear fascia treatments?
 
On my 91 ES I matched it to the color of my car, along with the black
surrounds on the pop-ups. I think it looked really sharp!
 
Matt Nelson
1994 RT TT
BlackLight@Planetice.Net
www.BlackLight.5u.com
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: Team3S: Rear fascia treatments?
 
Not that there's anything wrong w/ the big wide red thing across the
back of my '94 base Stealth, but does anyone know of anything to do to
the center thing to make it look better? It doesn't really do anything,
so I was thinking there was room for improvement... Has anyone done
anything cool to their rear center piece (the one between their
tail-lights)?
    -b
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:38:22 -0500
From: "Marven Lamarre" <neoblackjack21@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Where's CAPS?
 
Hi everyone,
 
Just wanted to know if anyone has a copy of the Computerized Automatic
Parts Search (CAPS) program? The links on the team3s website seem to be
down.
 
- --- Marven Lamarre
- --- neoblackjack21@earthlink.net
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:41:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's CAPS?
 
Its not down, it was severely abused because a few unfortunate people
couldn't follow directions. It placed team3s free hosting at risk.
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:06:14 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Where's CAPS?
 
Basically, just follow the directions on the website, they say how to get them. You have to email  the administrators and stuff... I think what you want to read is in yellow.
    -b
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's CAPS?
 
Its not down, it was severely abused because a few unfortunate people
couldn't follow directions. It placed team3s free hosting at risk.
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:32:43 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S: Stainless Downpipes
 
Following up the discussion we had here few days ago. Anyone interested in a
Stainless Steel downpipe with 2 flex sections, I guess someone finally
decided to make them. Have fun.
http://www.gtpro.com/allproducts.cfm?PID=Exhaust
 
Tyson
www.tyspeedperformance.com
 
PS: For that price you could buy 2.5 of mine. Wait, didn't I say that SS
costs 2.5 times more than Alum? Funny coincidence... Seriously if someone
wants an SS pipe THAT bad, I will make one for much cheaper. Materials cost
2.5 times more, labor is about the same.
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:43:57 -0800
From: "Team3S-Admin" <Team3S@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's CAPS?
 
> Hi everyone,
> Just wanted to know if anyone has a copy of the Computerized
> Automatic Parts Search (CAPS) program? The links on the team3s
> website seem to be down.
- ----------------------------------->
 
The links on the Team3S CAPS Page are not "down" - they have been moved.  And
it says so clearly on the CAPS page.  Just like with most things on our
website - all you have to do is *read* about what's going on, or (in this
case) how to get the CAPS files.  There's a note there (that's as big as a
barn!) that will help...  Please read it.
 
Forrest  (impatiently)
for the Admins
 
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:50:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger Ludwig <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where's CAPS?
 
Me thinks Bob has had just about enough of us!!
:)  Don't ya just hate having to deal with us bunch of
dopes all the time!!!
 
Must get irritating after awhile! :)
 
Roger L
F15DOC
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:39:42 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
I agree with Tigran.  Sounds like your slave cylinder went out on you,
or perhaps the master.  But I wouldn't dig into the clutch just yet
until I checked the hydraulics.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tigran Varosyan [mailto:tigran@tigran.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Question about 3000GT clutch replacement price
 
I'm going to take a stab at this since nobody else has yet... I think
that if your pedal goes down to the floor and nothing happens you are
likely to just have a hydraulic problem or something much more simple.
The only thing I can see causing that in the clutch area itself is a
broken "fork" or throw-out-bearing which both happen but VERY rarely.
I think you likely popped a hose or a line and that just needs to be
fixed. The dealer is, as usual, is trying to rape you. Look at the
little diagram under the hood of where your fluids are. Take off the
cap to the clutch fluid tank and see if there is any in there. If its
dry or very low your clutch is ok.
 
Cylinders can fail with fluid still in the tank, so I would check those
too, its just its not as easy... Where physically are you located?
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:48:19 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Actually Cody offset needs to be altered as you go to a wider wheel i.e. an
offset anywhere between 43-38 is more than adequate for a stock width wheel
(8.5") for a 9 inch wheel you want at least a 38MM offset (35 is my personal
preference) to decrease the likely hood of rubbing against the front strut
towers.
 
Russ F
CT
93 VR-4  Still under the knife
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:13:43 US/Eastern
From: ratkins@cfl.rr.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Stock 18" rims are 18x8.5 with 46mm offset
 
Do the math for an 18x9
Figure you get 0.25" wider each direction from center.
 
Theoretically, if you stay with 46mm offset, the inside edge of your rim will
be 0.25" closer to the strut - critical especially if you are using or thinking
of using JIC or TEIN since the spring is "wrapped" on the strut and has to fit
behind the tire instead of over it as with stock.
 
If you move to 38 offset you have moved the center of the wheel 8mm farther
outboard - so now you can subtract the 8mm from the 0.25" and the inside edge
of the rim is now 0.065" (or 1.65mm) farther outboard than stock (increased
clearance).  On the other hand, the outside edge of the rim is 0.25" + 8mm
farther outboard about 0.565".
 
Two words of caution:
 
1) Offset is not the only dimension that determines whether a rim will fit on
these beasts (TT/AWD, especially larger caliper years - 95 and up I think). 
There is precious little room between the outboard edge of the rim and caliper
to fit spokes and lip into.  A fit check is REQUIRED prior to any action (like
mounting a tire) that would render the rim non-returnable.  When you do the
fit check - remember to allow room for the "rim guard bead" which protrudes
beyond the rim itself - inboard and outboard.
 
2)You may think you would like the wider look, but you must be cautious when
moving the center of your wheel inboard or outboard.  This is a critical
dimension in the suspension design and WILL affect handling if altered without
compensation in other suspension components.
 
The more you move the more likely adverse affects.
 
g8rbob
'99VR-4 -
18x9 38mm offset Enkei RPM-2 track wheels (shoulda got 17's)
 
> Actually Cody offset needs to be altered as you go to a wider wheel i.e. an
> offset anywhere between 43-38 is more than adequate for a stock width wheel
> (8.5") for a 9 inch wheel you want at least a 38MM offset (35 is my personal
> preference) to decrease the likely hood of rubbing against the front strut
> towers.
>
> Russ F
> CT
> 93 VR-4  Still under the knife
 
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:59:06 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheel sizing?
 
Let's take some of the mystery out of wheel offset. Imagine two parallel flat
planes. One goes vertically through the center of the wheel and the other goes
vertically where the wheel mounts to the "hub" (actually the "hat" of the disk
rotor). The distance between those two planes is the offset. If the wheel
mounting surface is outboard of the wheel centerline (likes ours are) the
offset is positive. If the wheel has that dished-out appearance (like lots of
hot rods have), the mounting surface is inboard of the wheel centerline and
the offset is negative.
 
The offset of *all* 3S stock wheels is 46 mm. That includes all models and all
years, even the spare. If you want to maintain the stock clearance between
wheel/tire and car body/suspension parts, then you need to decrease the offset
an amount equal to one-half the change in wheel width. This moves the wheel
centerline farther outboard. For example, if going to a 9" wheel from a 8.5"
wheel, the offset would decrease 0.25" or 6.35 mm (or from 46 mm to 39-40 mm).
If going to a 10"-wide wheel, offset would decrease by 0.5" or 12.7 mm (from
46 mm to 33-34 mm). If your setup can tolerate less-than-stock clearance then
the wheel offset doesn't need to change as much. Obviously, front and rear
track increase when offset decreases and wheel width increases.
 
Tire width makes only a small difference because most low-profile tires that
will mount safely to a wheel will have similar mounted widths. My Pirelli
265/35-18 tires (nominally 10.43") are only slightly wider than my 9"-wide SSR
wheel - about 10" or so mounted. Note that the "9-inch" specification of the
wheel does not refer to the widest part of the wheel. Also, wheel diameter
(17" or 19") makes almost no difference because overall tire diameter will be
similar to stock. Again, the "18-inch" specification is not the largest
diameter of the wheel. My SSR GT1 wheels show ~19" across the outer edge. If
the mounted tire width or overall diameter is significantly different than
stock, these would have to figure into the clearance issue as far as
determining the offset.
 
Maybe another member (one of our racers?) can explain how moving the wheels
outboard affects handling, steering, and suspension issues.
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:19:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger Ludwig <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: HKS EVC IV and V
 
I recently purchased an EVC IV... not yet installed.
I have seen a few reports on the EVC V.
 
Has anyone on this list had experience with the V?
 
Thanks,
Roger L
F15DOC
"stay on target"  :)
 
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