Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Sunday, December 1 2002   Volume 02 : Number 013
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 01:09:48 -0500
From: "Marven Lamarre" <neoblackjack21@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Dodge Stealth ECU
 
Hello all,
 
Just wanted to thank all those who helped me looking for that magnetic pickup coil I was looking  for. I just found out the problem in my car was not the distributor, but the ECU (engine control  unit/computer). The starting problem is usually diagnosed as a faulty distributor though. So I was  wondering if anyone knows a good place I can find one for my SOHC Dodge Stealth '92. Also if  anyone knows a good place where I might get it repaired would also be nice.
 
Thanks Again
 
Marven
'92 Dodge Stealth SOHC
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:19:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: For sale: Wheels & Tires
 
Set of four CCW custom 3pc racing wheels.
 
17x10 for all 4 corners.
 
275/45 KumhoV700s mounted.  One set 20% good, other set 70% good.
 
Stock offset, it will widen your track about 1/4"
 
VERY light scrape on one wheel, but other than that great shape.
 
AS A SET ONLY:  $1200, you pay shipping.
 
New??  You'd pay $2,000 w/o tires or shipping.
 
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:32:52 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
*WARNING* This is an official and shameless "plug" on my part....
 
Erik after his BFH days with the Stillen downpipe has helped me design the Ty-Speed Type-1 "EG"  downpipe which works much better, has provided better spool times than the Stillen AND FITS!! For  more info please see /www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/DPipeEng/page1.html and/or  /www.tyspeedperformance.com
 
Thanks,
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gross, Erik
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
> Just how do you do it? I got under the car today and I have no clue
> how to reach the flange nuts with that little amount of clearance.
 
I've always been able to get the connections to the O2 housings off with (all 1/2" drive) a 19mm  mid-length 6pt socket, a U-joint, a 9" extension, and a breaker bar or socket wrench.  The U-joint  is key for the passenger's side rear bank nut.  The others can be done with just an extension.    For the rear connection to the cat-back, all you need is a wrench or two of whatever size bolts  they stuck on there (stock bolts cannot be reused there with the Stillen).  Of course, getting the  nuts off is probably only 20% of the fun.  Yours is a 1G, so it may be easier (I hope!)  But on my  2Gs, I had to wrap my arms and legs around the downpipe and hang like a monkey to get the @#$%  thing off.  Sorry, no pictures :-)  It took 30 minutes of hanging, rocking, prying, beating, and  swearing to get it off.  The price you pay for using a BFH to install it :-)
 
- --Erik
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:25:45 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
Tyson
And what quality is it ... aluminized ? Weight over the stillen or ATR ? ... and of course  you  have proven performance charts, do you ? We all are interested in good new products !
 
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
> *WARNING* This is an official and shameless "plug" on my part....
>
> Erik after his BFH days with the Stillen downpipe has helped me design
> the Ty-Speed Type-1 "EG" downpipe which works much better, has
> provided better spool times than the Stillen AND FITS!! For more info
> please see /www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/DPipeEng/page1.html and/or
> /www.tyspeedperformance.com
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:17:54 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: OFF TOPIC: fixed
 
Thanks to everyone who offered help.
I F8ed into Safe Mode, applied the default settings, booted back up, then set the settings  properly, and it seems to be working.
 
Sorry I took up the List's time with such trivialities, but now I am back working again for the  rest of the weekend so I can take a day off next week and (here comes the ON TOPIC) install my  GABs and get my rear wheel bearings fixed.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:05:59 -0600
From: "Mark and Brenda" <mebmark@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rear clunking sound
 
Hi gang! Has anyone dealt with the clunking sound you hear around the rear of the car, I can  slightly push up and down and it will make the sound, or when pulling out of my drive or driving  real slow. It also alternates from right to left. I replaced the sway bar links thinking it was  them, but it wasn't. I'm now thinking it may be some slightly worn bushings of some type. Fat  bikers web sight described the sound like bowling pins wrapped up in a blanket bouncing around, but  he didn't know what it was and the dealer said not to worry. I myself would like to pinpoint the  noise and get rid of it, but it's hard to do unless I was under the car with a stethoscope while  someone was driving it. Well I hope I made sense in this post, kind of a strange problem even to  describe, but I know I can't be the only one with
it. Please help... TIA.   Mark. 92 Stealth NA.
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:19:52 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear clunking sound
 
Had the same problem. In my case, it's motor mounts and rear wheel bearings. If the drivetrain can  move around at all, it propagates the least little sound. Put it up on a rack or jack stands with  all four wheels off the ground, have someone accelerate/brake, and you'll hear it.
 
Rich
 
At 10:05 AM 11/30/02 -0600, Mark and Brenda wrote:
>Hi gang! Has anyone dealt with the clunking sound you hear around the
>rear of the car, I can slightly push up and down and it will make the
>sound, or when pulling out of my drive or driving real slow. It also
>alternates from right to left.
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:47:48 -0500
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: What's this light?
 
I guess I'll continue the trivialities so help me out here. I can't find my owner's manual so can  someone please tell me what this light on the dashboard means? It comes on right next to the 160mph mark on the speedo. See the drawing of it on the link below. It used to come on every once in a blue moon so I never paid any attention to it but now it stays on all the time. It started doing a couple of days ago so I've tried driving the car as little as possible in case it's  something serious.  I've checked the oil, power steering, and brake fluids and they're all ok so  ain't any of that. Thanks.
 
- -E.RDZ
 
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/op_rdz/lst?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.view=t
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:20:47 -0000
From: "Jim Matthews" <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: What's this light?
 
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/op_rdz/lst?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.view=t
 
Windshield washer fluid.
 
- - --
Jim Matthews - Yorkshire, England
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com
http://www.the-matthews.com
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:13:31 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: What's this light?
 
Remember - there's a rear reservoir too - if it's not the front, it could be the rear.
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:45:04 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Struts, options
 
My experience as well ......... about $125 per corner for the ECS
struts.   I have the Teins now, but if some one wanted good OEM
replacements ....... there has to be a lot out there that will improve
handling with minimal impact on ride.
 
Dennis -==- Philly
 
Andre Cerri wrote:
 
>The cut throat dealers do the stock struts for $126 or so per corner.
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:06:30 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear clunking sound
 
Unbelievable!  Same sound (I think).  Rear........ primarily with
vertical motions of the rear suspension ........ quiet knocking as if
something is loose.  About ready to take it to a dealer that can put it
on a hoist and exercise the suspension.  Probably the only way to tell.
 
Dennis  -==- Philly
 
Mark and Brenda wrote:
 
>Hi gang! Has anyone dealt with the clunking sound you hear around the
>rear of the car, I can slightly push up and down and it will make the
>sound, or when pulling out of my drive or driving real slow. It also
>alternates from right to left. I replaced the sway bar links thinking
>it was them, but it wasn't. I'm now thinking it may be some slightly
>worn bushings of some type. Fat bikers web sight described the sound
>like bowling pins wrapped up in a blanket bouncing around, but he didn't
>know what it was and the dealer said not to worry. I myself would like
>to pinpoint the noise and get rid of it, but it's hard to do unless I
>was under the car with a stethoscope while someone was driving it.
>Well I hope I made sense in this post, kind of a strange problem even to describe, but I know I  can't be the only one with
>it. Please help... TIA.   Mark. 92 Stealth NA.
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:08:56 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear clunking sound
 
Thanks, Rich ........... but like the thought of bearings already!
 
Dennis -==- Philly
 
merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
 
>Had the same problem. In my case, it's motor mounts and rear wheel
>bearings. If the drivetrain can move around at all, it propagates the least little sound. Put it  up on a rack or jack stands with all four wheels off the ground, have someone accelerate/brake,  and you'll hear it.
>
>Rich
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:25:50 -0500
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: Was What's this light? Now rear bearings
 
thanks fellas, I never even thought about the washer fluid since I have never used it before. I  filled it up with some of that blue washer stuff and it's good to go now. for a moment I thought  satan was going top ruin christmas by taking all my money, lol. on a different note, how much can  I expect to pay (parts and labor) to change the rear wheel bearings? Anyone in in the NY area know  of a good shop that will do it for a reasonable price?
 
- -E.RDZ
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko [mailto:alex@kolosy.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What's this light?
 
Remember - there's a rear reservoir too - if it's not the front, it could be the rear.
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:40:56 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
Pipe is Aluminized, which has a 95% lifespan of Stainless, is lighter and more durable. You will  not find any real race car with stainless exhaust. Just look at any nascar website, they are all  aluminized or plain steel because they would crack stainless pipes.
 
We put the pipes on the scales once... I remember it was MUCH lighter than stock but I don't  remember where it lined up with the Stillen. I think my pipe was a few lb lighter but consider  that I also 2 additional flanges and a flex section that the Stillen did not.
 
Performance results on Erik's car were clear without a chart. Read his website, he had to  re-adjust his Boost controller because the turbos were spooling much faster with my pipe and  spiking past his set limit :)
 
As of right now I do not have comparison charts mainly due to the fact that my stock exhaust was  tossed in the trash 6 months before I started doing these. So I have nothing real to compare to.  My True-dual setup accounted for a gain of 48 WHP over stock with gutted cats. When I get my car  running again I will test true-dual vs one of my DP's and a single shot cat-back.
 
That's that for right now...
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
Tyson
And what quality is it ... aluminized ? Weight over the stillen or ATR ? ... and of course  you  have proven performance charts, do you ? We all are interested in good new products !
 
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:39:57 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: Team3S: '94 base bumper to RT bumper (was: bumper interchange/compatibility)
 
On a similar note, does anyone know about converting a rear '94 base bumper and tail-lights to  those of an RT? My base bumper is all cracked and stuff because of a previous owner and OH do I  LOVE those RT bumpers and tail-lights! Thanks for any help.
    -b
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Riyan Mynuddin [mailto:riyan@hotpop.com]
 Sent: Tue 11/26/2002 7:00 PM
 Subject: Team3S: bumper interchange/compatibility
 
 Now that I ruined my rear bumper, I'd like to take this opportunity to put a
 standard stealth R/T bumper rather than the TT bumper. I only want one
 exhaust cutout since I have switched to the singleshot catback system. I
 probably don't need to bother asking since the body styling looks identical,
 but if anyone can confirm that this basic interchange works, then that would
 be great.
 
 Riyan
 93 stealth rt tt
 mountain pass mod...
         so I might as well kill two birds w/one stone :)
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:42:03 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Team3S:  AZ weekly car show. OFF TOPIC?
 
Just thought I'd tell people about the weekly car show held every Saturday night in Scottsdale,  Arizona.  It happens to be the largest weekly show in the nation with most nights bringing around  500+ cars, and sometimes more than 1,000.  I try to make it out there every other weekend, and  have only seen 1 stealth TT.  Only 1 in the 8 or so years I've known about the show. It's free to  just drive up and find a good spot if your car is show worthy. The aisles are sectioned off in  groups, so like don't park by the motorcycles or the cars from the 40s.  The older people with the  real old cars usually show up around 3-4pm, and then it's first come first serve on the spots but  there's usually room with people coming and going all night till around 9pm.
 
I would love to see some 3Ss out there and maybe we could get 1 week a month as a club night and  park all in a row.  I would really like to see the yellow vr4 with the 2 black racing stripes out  there, maybe you're a list member?
 
If this sounds of interest to you and you're in the greater phoenix metropolitan area email me off  list and we can maybe meet up at the show somewhere.  I'll be out there tonight at around 7pm.
 
It's located at the "Pavillions" in scottsdale, just west of Indian Bend road and the 101 freeway.   Here is the mapquest map, it's located in the north part of the red section on this map you can't  miss it. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?size=big&mapdata=jZ2g%2b%2fXW8V%2bv9mXN
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8C5%2b9ewTSBXxO2iAQ43dgnZboJQablVzwj390tiHKpZb
 
- -Erik
'91 Stealth (not yet show-worthy....but getting there!)
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:48:27 -0600
From: "Wieschhaus, Brandon Kenneth (UMR-Student)" <bwish@umr.edu>
Subject: Team3S: 94 base front bumper to '99 front bumper (was: '99 Front end conversion)
 
Yeah, me again. As luck would have it, the previous owner ALSO f'ed up the front bumper too... It  was repainted, but it was QUITE the bang-up job... I was wondering if the only difference in the  '99 3KGT and the '94-'98's was the corners, then what about the '94 Stealths? (Sorry I forgot to  mention the Stealth part in the last one, it was implied) The '99 headlights look almost the same  size as our Stealth projector headlights, perhaps the Stealth headlights could accept a '99 front  bumper?
    -b
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: mjannusch@attbi.com [mailto:mjannusch@attbi.com]
 Sent: Tue 11/26/2002 5:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Team3S: '99 Front end conversion
 
 > The 99 uses different headlights, and they are the
 > most expensive part, list is nearly $800 each...
 > The existing headlights and sidelights do not fit the
 > 99 bumper, but the 2nd gen hood is the same.
 
 The '94-98 headlights will work with the '99 front bumper - only the corner
 marker lights are different.  I've seen it done, and plan on doing it that way
 if I replace the front on my car.  The $1600 for headlights only gets you the
 bulgy projector circles on the front lens and the black background color -
 nothing more.
 
 -Matt
 '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:20:32 -0800
From: "Shawn Keren" <nouveau3@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
With all due respect Tigran there is no way that Aluminized steel has 95% the lifespan of  stainless. (Of course possibly in a vacuum with no heat and no moisture but that would be the only  case.) And as far as weight, if the pipe is the same size and thickness, flanges same size etc..  there might be 2 lbs maximum difference. I've been dealing with metals in various shapes, grades  and forms for over 25 years, and your statements are just not factual. Aluminized steel, such as  you are referring to, is simply carbon steel that has been aluminum coated. (In much the same way  that galvanized is coated with zinc) Underneath it is still just carbon steel and the combination  of heat and moisture has an adverse effect on this product, that effect is corrosion, more  commonly referred to as rust. Stainless steel is also affected by heat and moisture, however the  temperatures generated by an internal combustion engine are simply not high enough to have an  adverse effect on it. Why do you think that almost all new cars are made with SS exhaust systems?  Because the manufacturers like to give money away? Most new cars carry 5 year warranties, but if  you made the exhaust system from aluminized steel, chances are it would be replaced at least once  in those five years, and with the grade of stainless that these manufacturers use (T409) it is  only slightly higher cost. So why don't Stillen and others use T409, the auto manufacturers use  almost all of the T409 SS that is produced.
 
I have spent a good deal of my life finding metal solutions for customers, taking corrosion  engineering and metallurgy classes along the way, if you'd like to discuss this more I'd welcome  your questions and comments, just remember though that when you are dealing with technical  subjects it is good to do your research before making false statements.
 
Regards,
Shawn Keren
Drunken Bear Auto Accessories.
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: removing a stillen downpipe
 
> Pipe is Aluminized, which has a 95% lifespan of Stainless, is lighter
> and more durable. You will not find any real race car with stainless
> exhaust. Just look at any nascar website, they are all aluminized or
> plain steel because they would crack stainless pipes.
>
> We put the pipes on the scales once... I remember it was MUCH lighter
> than stock but I don't remember where it lined up with the Stillen. I
> think my pipe was a few lb lighter but consider that I also 2
> additional flanges
and
> a flex section that the Stillen did not.
>
> Performance results on Erik's car were clear without a chart. Read his
> website, he had to re-adjust his Boost controller because the turbos
> were spooling much faster with my pipe and spiking past his set limit
> :)
>
> As of right now I do not have comparison charts mainly due to the fact
that
> my stock exhaust was tossed in the trash 6 months before I started
> doing these. So I have nothing real to compare to. My True-dual setup
> accounted for a gain of 48 WHP over stock with gutted cats. When I get
> my car
running
> again I will test true-dual vs one of my DP's and a single shot
> cat-back.
>
> That's that for right now...
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:15:41 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Team3S: More NG'02 videos!
 
First, thanks everybody for completing my online surveys. You guys are the
greatest!
 
I converted some more videos, including videos of Dave Trent and Chuck
Willis riding with me and giving some driving tips. I was going to record
driving behind Chuck but the tape ran out, sorry. That would have been an
extremely valuable footage. Next time, I promise ...
 
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gphilip/NG02.htm
 
Philip
'95 R/T TT
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:16:30 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: GL-4 and GL-5 frustration
 
I recently changed the transmission and transfer case oil with a GL-5 gear oil. According to Jeff  L's site and some 3SI posts, this was the wrong thing to do. I've asked mitsu and dodge  dealers--both said GL-5 is "GL-4
compatible"   One import wholesale shop manager laughed in my face when I
asked him to special order some GL-4 and said he's not sure if he even wants to deal with me if I  think there's a difference. I definitely don't "know everything", but I realize now that it's hard  to find people that know about our cars (at least locally). It's interesting that they can be so  confident when they're wrong. Now that I'm done complaining, I've driven the car for about 400  miles since I changed to the wrong fluid. Any chance of damage in this short period? Should I  change the fluid to Redline first thing Monday when the performance shop opens? Or should I do it  when it's convenient?
 
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
 
frustrated and a tad wiser
writing e-mails while GL-5 rusts his tranny
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:23:19 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rubbing noise
 
Ever since I crashed my car into the side of that mountain, I've been hearing a rubbing noise from  the back of my car. I asked the alignment shop to look at it and they found nothing. For awhile I  thought it was gone, but actually it is just very quiet now. I was pretty sure that it was just  some dirt or pebbles from the mountain caught in between the brake pad and rotor from the  accident. But I've tried removing the wheel and hosing off the brake components thoroughly. I  still hear the noise. Is there anything else the noise could be? Wheel bearings? Dry rear  differential? (I'm gonna change rear diff. oil tonight hopefully)
 
On a side note, while the alignment shop was balancing my tires. They were jacking my car up, two  wheels at a time--passenger/driver side, and putting the car in gear to watch them turn. I suppose  there were balancing based on how they rotated or something like that. I read a sticker on the  inside of the door which says that the car shouldn't be started or driven with any
wheels off the ground due to the viscous coupling.   I assume that what the
shop did could've put a strain on my AWD system (this is also why we tow our cars FLATBED  ONLY...right?). Again... any chance of damage here? Should I make a claim and get in their face,  or forget about it?
 
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
 
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:11:47 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rubbing noise
 
I didn't warn then about the AWD since from what I've seen, wheel balancing is generally done off  the car with a separate machine. So I thought that's what they would do too. But I happened to  walk over when they were almost done. 2 wheels on the ground and two spinning in the air. As they  were doing whatever "on-car method" for balancing, I heard a loud rubbing noise. This noise  sounded different than the quiet rubbing noise from after hitting the mountain. This rubbing was  almost loud enough to call a grinding noise. While they were balancing the last couple wheels I  asked them "is that noise something to worry about?"  ... as I thought to myself what the hell are  they doing???  And the employee at the shop said oh yeah... your LSD is just a little bit  "unhappy" since it wants to spin 4 at the same time, but it's nothing to worry about.
 
Well, he sounded so sure about it that I did believe him. I thought maybe since it's a short  period of time, no biggie. Car handled just fine on the way home too. Plus, these guys have been  in business forever. Their prices reflect it too. No hurry-it-up "flat rate" alignments here. They  only did this two wheels in the air thing for a short period of time. Less than 2 minutes of  spinning and verifying per wheel = about 5 to 6 minutes of running the car like that.
 
So what do I do next? Is 5 to 6 minutes enough to hurt anything? Should I just forget about it, or  should I ask the local mitsu dealer to check the AWD system and bill the alignment shop for it? If  anyone cares to give me a hand in getting started, I'd appreciate that. But for everyone else's  sake, be sure to keep any responses that lack technical info off the list.
 
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Damn, that shop should have KNOWN better.  I think you have cause for a suit, Riyan.
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Mitsu specifically
says not to allow anything but all 4 or none in driving or engine running conditions.
 
You should get your all wheel drive system looked at by an expert as soon as possible, IMO.
 
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