Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, November 28 2002 Volume
02 : Number 011
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:07:42 -0500
From: Mark Frouhar <
mfrouhar@bear.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Cooler Thermostat question
It's a balancing act, a cooler engine means cooler intake/cooler air/ more
oxygen and more power. Hotter cylinder temps also means more power.
Somewhere in there you have to keep your oil temperature under control as
well so it's performing it's job. That's why you see people icing
their intake manifold at the drag strip right before they make a pass.
I think the cooler thermostat trick is being abused in many instances but I
do think installing a 180 deg thermostat in a lot of cars that came with
195 deg ones can be a good idea. You have to keep in mind that just
because you have 195 deg thermostat doesn't mean that's the temp you're
engine will be at all the time. A lot of times when you increase the power
output your cooling system can't keep up with the engine so you have to
get creative.
AINut wrote:
> Who says the LOWERing the temps makes the engine have
more
> performance?
> I have always heard that higher engine temps
increase fuel efficiency
> and performance.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:29:45 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <
Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Cooler Thermostat question
Yes, leave it alone. When not under load, it should run as designed.
When under high load for more than a short period, it'll be wide open no
matter what and you'll need extra cooling to boot. I too have always heard
a higher design temp is more efficient.
Kurt
- -----Original Message-----
From: David Thrower
[mailto:repairerr@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:26
PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Cooler Thermostat question
I have in front of me the service manual for the 92 Stealth. Valve opening
temp SOHC 180F 82C DOHC 170F 76.5C . Full opening temp of thermostat SOHC
203F 95C DOHC 194F 90C (sec 7-2 "Service Specifications") In my opinion,
if those are the temps that the engine was designed to operate at, then I
would leave it at that. David Thrower 92 Stealth R/T TT
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I think they're charting the Lancer EVO to fill that niche. Whether
or not it will do that competently remains to be seen.
- - Brian
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:48:31 -0500
From: "Planet" <
planet.j@sympatico.ca>
Subject:
Team3S: Leaking coolant! What should I do
Ok, most of you were right. I started it up, let run for like 30 seconds
turned it off. And there is a steady stream coming out from the water
pump. When I look down between all the belts, the stream is less than an
inch from the right side of the oil filter. Where should I take this to
get fixed. I need it done as fast as possible as this is my commuter car
too.
Jason
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:51:07 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: New 3000GT?
If they bring it over with all the things that the JDM model has, it should
do OK. The important question is how castrated is it going to be due
the Feds/EPA?????
If it were up to those tree hugging clowns, we would all be driving Honda
insights :/
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geddes, Brian J
[mailto:brian.j.geddes@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:46
PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: New 3000GT?
I think they're charting the Lancer EVO to fill that niche. Whether
or not it will do that competently remains to be seen.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:13:30 -0700
From: Desert Fox <
bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Leaking coolant! What should I do
I just had mine done. $1069 of which $408 was parts and the remaining $660
was labor. That was pretty much a full 60K maintenance with water pump
replacement as well.
I was hesitant to drive mine at all once it started leaking. Mine was not
leaking as much as you describe either.
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi
exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
> Ok, most of you were right. I started it up, let run for like 30
> seconds turned it off. And there is a steady stream coming out from
> the water pump. When I look down between all the belts, the stream is
> less than an inch from the right side of the oil filter. Where should
> I take this to get fixed. I need it done as fast as possible as this
> is my commuter car too.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:48:12 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: Team3S: '99
Parts
Fwiw - I just ordered '99 front end parts from Libertyville Mitsubishi, and
with the 3si discount, it's 409 for the bumper, 50 (each) for the markers
and 475 (each) for the headlights - not 800 like some places
quote...
Alex
'95 VR4 with a 99 front end in the works...
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:23:09 -0500
From: Mark Frouhar <
mfrouhar@bear.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: IAC
Those damn things seem to be going bad all the time on these cars.
Just FYI mitsupartsdirect.com is running a November special on the servo
AKA IAC # MD628053 for $217 AFAIK it's the same part# for both
generations. They usually sell them for $247. I just picked one
up.
Tigran Varosyan wrote:
> Ryan from the local NWS3 group has asked me
to put a word out for an
> IAC. His has gone toast and his car is in the
shop for other engine
> work so he needs one asap. Its for a '92 VR4. If
anyone has an extra
> they want to sell or something please let me
know.
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:34:05 -0800
From: "Team3S-Admin" <
Team3S@bobforrest.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Admin Note! - OT: New Mazda? Tree-hugging clowns? Buzzards?
For those of you who appear to have had a problem remembering our rules,
here's a reminder: Off-Topic discussions *must* be identified as
such in your subject line, if you must post them at all. And you
must ask for "private replies", so that other members who 'forgot' won't
answer you on the list. This is a forum about Stealth and 3000GT,
remember? --Maintenance, repairs, problems, racing, mods, upgrades,
and even theory... Technical topics. We maintain a separate
"Team3S Racers" list for those of you who feel like chatting, but please keep
chat about other cars, flames, and one-line non-technical comments off the
Team3S list. If you want to chat about Mazdas and Evos, there are
other forums which welcome such discussions. We don't.
As to "tree-hugging clowns", and whatever politically-extreme logic was
used to relate them to cars (?), such incendiary comments are not *ever*
welcome on this list, especially in a post which is devoid of technical
value. Otherwise we'll have to grant equal time to repartee about
president putz and the destruction of the environment, now, won't we!?!
It's a good bet that right now one of our international members is
wondering what a clown is doing hugging a tree..., humorous as that
imagery might be... Probably waiting for the buzzards to stop circling
around the car with the new "mountain mod"(?).
Please respect the rules and protocols of this list. We all agreed to
them. Let's just limit our discussions to *our* cars...
Since this, too, is an Off-Topic note, please confine your comments to
private replies.
Thanks!
Bob Forrest
for the Team3S Admins
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:03:27 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Dented Oil Pans
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler
[mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
>
> If the dent is on the flat
bottom..be afraid.
Maybe this sounds stupid, but "really"? My oil pan has the "dealer
monkeys were too lazy to use a hoist to get the weight off the engine
mount to do the 60k service so they used a jack and the oil pan"
mod. It's indented about 1/2" over most of the bottom of the pan.
I'd never given it a second thought except to reconfirm my desire to do my
own service on my cars. The 60k was done before I bought the car,
BTW.
What does it do when the oil pan is dented? Screw up the angles of
the baffles? Starve the pump if it's really dented? My oil
pressure and temps are ok (measured by aftermarket gauges) and the car has
10k miles on it since the dent was acquired.
- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with mildly dented oil pan
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:16:40 -0600
From: "cody" <
overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: '99 Parts
You might check Tallahassee Mitsu... I got the front bumper for $365,
and side markers were the same price...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko
Sent: Wednesday,
November 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Team3S: '99 Parts
Fwiw - I just ordered '99 front end parts from Libertyville Mitsubishi, and
with the 3si discount, it's 409 for the bumper, 50 (each) for the markers
and 475 (each) for the headlights - not 800 like some places
quote...
Alex
'95 VR4 with a 99 front end in the works...
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:17:47 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
'99 Parts
Yeah, but I live 5 mins away from Libertyville mitsu - I'd pay more in
shipping...
Alex.
- -----Original Message-----
From: cody
Sent: Wednesday, November 27,
2002 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: '99 Parts
You might check Tallahassee Mitsu... I got the front bumper for $365,
and side markers were the same price...
- -Cody
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko
Sent: Wednesday,
November 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Team3S: '99 Parts
Fwiw - I just ordered '99 front end parts from Libertyville Mitsubishi, and
with the 3si discount, it's 409 for the bumper, 50 (each) for the markers
and 475 (each) for the headlights - not 800 like some places
quote...
Alex
'95 VR4 with a 99 front end in the works...
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:44:26 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Stealth meets mountain. pics.
Give all the feedback you want. Recommendations for how to fix the damage
or who to take it to would be appreciated.
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Holy sh!t.
I'm betting you have contact on your oil pump pickup screen.
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Gross, Erik wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Mohler
[mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> >
> > If the dent is on
the flat bottom..be afraid.
>
> Maybe this sounds stupid, but
"really"? My oil pan has the "dealer
> monkeys were too lazy to use
a hoist to get the weight off the engine
> mount to do the 60k service so
they used a jack and the oil pan" mod.
> It's indented about 1/2"
over most of the bottom of the pan.
>
> I'd never given it a second
thought except to reconfirm my desire to
> do my own service on my
cars. The 60k was done before I bought the
> car, BTW.
>
> What does it do when the oil pan is dented? Screw up the angles
of
> the baffles? Starve the pump if it's really dented? My
oil pressure
> and temps are ok (measured by aftermarket gauges) and the
car has 10k
> miles on it since the dent was acquired.
>
>
--Erik
> '95 VR-4 with mildly dented oil pan
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:08:53 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: body
shop in SF Bay area
In my last post, I forgot to mention where I was located:
go here for a map of my general area...
Sunnyvale, CA 94087
That is about 40 miles south of San Francisco, CA.
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
reflecting on his mistake
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:16:13 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Leaking coolant! What should I do
Don't hit your local dealer yet. Especially not a Dodge dealer, since Mitsu
knows 3S motors better. The local dealer is easy and quick, but could be
very costly in the long run. Search the archives or e-mail me privately if
you want to know why.
So:
If you're mechanically inclined, then I'd recommend spending a long
Saturday and doing it yourself.
If not, you can start by checking out the "Good Guys" dealers and vendors
page.
If none of these are located within a reasonable driving distance from you,
then please let us know where you are located and perhaps we can suggest a
nearby trusted shop.
- -------->
Where should I take this to get fixed?
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:21:47 -0600
From: "xwing" <
xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: AEM
Help Group?
I just downloaded V0.89 with updated documentation. The User
Guide is
about DOUBLE the number of pages (113 now), and there are more docs
about logging etc too. I still need to find a DIRECT explanation of
hooking up the GM MAP and the FJO Lambda sensor, but there are enough
leads out there that I think it is do-able. I don't want to hook stuff
up without absolute and specific KNOWledge, because that leads to "frying
the motherboard...fatherboard too" ;) scenarios. The AEM Forum on our cars
seems much more active than a couple months ago too, so I will be going
there from now on re: this stuff. I wanted to post a public THANK
YOU to everybody, and say what my plan was, to follow-up on my prior AEM
newbie whining post. JT
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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:49:10 -0800
From: "eK2mfg" <
eK2mfg@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
'99 Parts
when they say 800 that's for both sides...good prices though.....
bobk.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Sent: Wednesday,
November 27, 2002 11:48 AM
Subject: Team3S: '99 Parts
> Fwiw - I just ordered '99 front end parts from Libertyville
>
Mitsubishi, and with the 3si discount, it's 409 for the bumper, 50
>
(each) for the markers and 475 (each) for the headlights - not 800
> like
some places quote...
>
> Alex
> '95 VR4 with a 99 front end
in the works...
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:57:40 -0500
From: "bob atkins" <
ratkins@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New 3000GT?
- ----------
>From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
>Subject:
RE: Team3S: New 3000GT?
>Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2002, 12:51 PM
> If it were up to those tree hugging clowns, we would all be driving
> Honda insights :/
By the way - have you seen the latest coalition between some religious and
eco-terrorist groups to attack SUVs -
Their campaign slogan is "What would Jesus have driven?"
Look, I don't mean to offend anyone here but I think the answer was a
donkey! So, unless your only vehicle pollution is manure - YOU're
GUILTY AS SIN
g8rbob
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:39:42 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
AEM Help Group?
That's the price you pay for being leading edge --- when you're one of the
point folks you have to define the route. Keep us posted as to help areas,
It'll be at
least a year before I need worry about AEM setup.
Jim Berry
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> I just downloaded V0.89 with updated documentation. The
User Guide is
> about DOUBLE the number of pages (113 now), and there are
more docs
> about logging etc too. I still need to find a DIRECT
explanation of
> hooking up the GM MAP and the FJO Lambda sensor, but
there are enough
> leads out there that I think it is do-able. I
don't want to hook
> stuff up without absolute and specific KNOWledge,
because that leads
> to "frying the motherboard...fatherboard too" ;)
scenarios. The AEM
> Forum on our cars seems much more active than a
couple months ago too,
> so I will be going there from now on re: this
stuff. I wanted to post
> a public THANK YOU to everybody, and say
what my plan was, to follow-up
> on my prior AEM newbie whining post.
JT
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:11:48 -0500
From: "Mike Frey" <
mike21b@ptd.net>
Subject: Team3S: New
Struts, options
I'll be replacing my front struts on my 92 RT/TT, probably the rears as
well.
I'm more interested in ride quality and value over performance. In other
words, I don't want anything that is stiffer than stock when set on "Tour"
mode. I never use the Sport setting.
AutoZone has struts for about $160 each, they tell me that Gabriel makes
them.
Any recommendations?
Mike
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:18:42 -0500
From: "Planet" <
planet.j@sympatico.ca>
Subject:
Team3S: This car is a nightmare!
I got my '92 Stealth SOHC in late October. I have spent at least $3500 on
it already. But at least it has a new...
Water Pump - $161
New exhaust between flex and muffler - $1217
Gas
tank - $550
Belts - $150
Sway bar links - $85
Front left lower ball
joint - $438
Rear wiper switch - 34.18
total labour - $700
AND IT ISN'T THAT FAST!
Should I sell? I just bought it in late October
early November.
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:32:21 -0800
From: "Shawn Keren" <
nouveau3@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New Struts, options
Most people that replace with the Gabriels are not that satisfied.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Frey" <
mike21b@ptd.net>
Sent: Thursday,
November 28, 2002 8:11 AM
Subject: Team3S: New Struts, options
> I'll be replacing my front struts on my 92 RT/TT, probably the rears
> as well.
>
> I'm more interested in ride quality and value
over performance. In
> other words, I don't want anything that is stiffer
than stock when set
> on "Tour" mode. I never use the Sport
setting.
>
> AutoZone has struts for about $160 each, they tell me
that Gabriel
> makes them.
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