Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, November 23 2002  Volume 02 : Number 007
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:40:30 EST
From: GMightymoose@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: starter question
 
Hey guys I was wondering where is the best place with best deal on a starter
for a 92 VR4?  Thanks for any and all info in advance.         
 
James
99 & 92 VR4
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:38:03 +0000
From: nouveau3@attbi.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: starter question
 
Try jagworks.com, I know their alternator prices for our cars is good.
 
> Hey guys I was wondering where is the best place with best deal on a starter
> for a 92 VR4?  Thanks for any and all info in advance.         
>
> James
> 99 & 92 VR4
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:38:17 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: hesitation - bad coolant temp sensor?
 
you want to make sure that you're buying the coolant temp sensor that reports to the ECU. I  believe there is only one that reports to ECU. There are others for the purpose of cycling  radiator+A/C fans and such, but the ECU sensor is what you need. Also, a hesitation could be  many other things:
 
fouled plugs
bad wires
(non-TT models: corroded distributor rotor+cap)
low fuel pressure (in my case)
gummed up injector(s)
 
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:46:45 -0500
From: "David Thrower" <repairerr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: starter question
 
 Rockville Mitsu shows this as P/N MD313327 for $118.46
  Dave Thrower
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:50:40 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: hesitation - bad coolant temp sensor?
 
If that mechanic had the right computer, he would be able to tell if he
sees the correct coolant temperature or not. I have never thought of the
bad temp sensor theory. But those mechanics could be inventive, you know.
 
I think resistance specifications for that temp sensor are available in the
manual. It does not have any properties other than the resistance. Check it.
 
Philip
 
At 13:38 11/22/2002, Riyan Mynuddin wrote:
>you want to make sure that you're buying the coolant temp sensor that
>reports to the ECU. I believe there is only one that reports to ECU.
>There are others for the purpose of cycling radiator+A/C fans and such,
>but the ECU sensor is what you need. Also, a hesitation could be many
>other things:
>
>fouled plugs
>bad wires
>(non-TT models: corroded distributor rotor+cap)
>low fuel pressure (in my case)
>gummed up injector(s)
>
>Riyan
>93 stealth rt tt
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:55:45 -0500
From: "David Thrower" <repairerr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: starter question
 
Partznet.com also shows P/N MD313327 at $125.67
 Dave Thrower
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:59:51 EST
From: MerisaPDX@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Help- Need ABS Pump
 
I have a 1991 Stealth RT with ABS and need to replace the ABS pump.  If
anyone out there has one I am interested in buying it if it is working.  I am
also interested in all 4 struts for the electronically controlled suspension
if anyone has a set that is not leaking that will fit on my car as well.
 
Thanks
 
Merrisa
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:27:21 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: starter question
 
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
 
I got a lifetime alternator at Kragen for less than half the dealer price.
 
Maybe they have starters too.
 
Kurt
 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:41:24 -0500
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: starter question
 
Dang, for that price from a dealer, buy two!
Kurt
 
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From: David Thrower [mailto:repairerr@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: starter question
 
 Rockville Mitsu shows this as P/N MD313327 for $118.46
  Dave Thrower
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:36:55 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: fuel pressure sensor seal: here's what I did
 
As a recap, the first time I put two layers of teflon tape at the mating points, the teflon at  those mating points had completely rotted out and that is where the fuel started to leak. The  second time, I replaced two of the mating points with about 3 to 4 layers of teflon tape. It  also began to rot out, but it held up slightly better.
 
To amuse myself, I put a strip of teflon tape in some fuel and I watched it slowly disappear :O  Hope that dissolved teflon tape didn't hurt my injectors any.
 
Well, after seeing that ... I decided to take everything apart and start over.
 
I didn't see any cracks in the fittings, and the threads looked okay. But I'm not counting on my  naked eye. I put permatex thread sealant on every single mating point. I've heard from many  places that it doesn't break down with fuel. I'm leaving a desk fan on, blowing on the fitting  all of tonight to dry it. I will wipe off the excess sealant tomorrow morning. Then I'll mix  some JB weld and basically saturate the exposed threads around the mating points with that. (JB  weld also resists fuel--many people have successfully patched fuel tanks with it). I'll no  longer have the choice of taking the fitting apart, ever. But like Jeff says, why would I need  to? My top priority is finishing this up once and for all. I really don't want to touch this  thing again, because it's a pain to take off my strut bar, battery hold-down, battery, and  windshield washer assembly just to get to the little fuel fitting. And though the leak is small,  I don't want to risk a fire in my engine bay just because I was slightly careless.
 
The JB Weld will cure by Sunday morning. I'll let everyone know how it goes, so that anyone  who's installing FP sensors can keep this idea in mind. Also, for others that will be going down  this road in the near future, soldering may be a good method too, assuming the sensor can handle  high temperatures. Thanks for the suggestion Jeff.
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:09:22 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Can We Create AEM EMS Help Team?
 
Can We Create an AEM Help Team?
I finally read through the whole 69 pages of the AEM Computer (WHEEEEW!) I still don't see   plain plug&play "instructions" on how to plug it, the FJO sensor (aren't there more wires to the  FJO than to the AEM??  How do you "piggyback" the FJO into the AEM?); of all the VARIOUS places  "nitrous" is referenced, which are the "real ones needed"? Where do you hook in the GM Map  sensor etc?  Splice into wires?  Which?
 
I am NOT a computer wonk but can operate computers that have clear instructions; I can do basic  wiring, splice/soldering; know what solenoids, resistors, etc are; and I know somewhat of tuning  :) etc. I KNOW the "AEM Install" wheel has been invented already...help!
 
SO, since we ARE a mutual help group and all, could I request any of you willing to occasionally  "talk me through" installation and questions on getting my 94 VR4 RUNNING with the AEM, FJO, MAP  sensor, etc? Maybe those willing could email me your names/phone numbers :)  and I'll send you  mine, to eventually form a "panel of experts", and someday I/we'd be able to hopefully return  the favor in the future with regard to tuning "on the edge", with nitrous etc...I want to push  the envelope as usual.  I am a privateer so have no special "ins" with AEM, as most of us don't.  Ideally we'd all post numbers publicly and let our experiences build on each others FASTEST but  public phone # stuff can be iffy, so I'm trying to start here, privately.
 
I know there is the AEM website but LIKE THE AEM INSTRUCTIONS there is WAY MORE info there, the  "signal to noise" is so high that finding your actual help can be hard IMO. Thanks for your  consideration either way, Jack Tertadian email xwing@wi.rr.com
 
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: ECU replacement - AEM EMS?
> After reading all this, if you're twitching and drooling with
> excitement
and unable to concentrate on your job anymore, then go get it.  If you find yourself hesitant or  frightened or unsure, then stick with the piggyback controllers.
> The AEM is the holy grail of engine tuning, but it's dangerous if you
don't use it properly.  Remember in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, when the Nazi drank from  the wrong cup?  You can do the same thing to your engine with the AEM.
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:48:47 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking behind dash gauge pod
 
The sound could be your ECU.  A ticking sound from the dash is one of the symptoms of bad caps.   This usually accompanied by engine stalling or loss of power during the noise.
 
See http://johnmonnin.netfirms.com/ECUrepair.html .
 
Get a piece of an old hose and see if you can isolate exactly where the sound is coming from.   This could lead you to the exact component that is bad.  It isn't a very high tech or fancy way  to find the problem but it works.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:06:57 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ticking behind dash gauge pod
 
hmm... so what happens if you have your fuel pump resistor bypassed & FP hotwired? might make it  harder to tell since the fuel pump relay is bypassed huh? my car is 93. clearly over the 7 year  mark. but if something could be up with my capacitors, I'd much rather find it before it becomes  an apparent problem. I do have money, sure... but not money to burn on an ECU! I hear the same  tick behind my dash gauge pod (in addition to lifter tick...ugh!), but since the tick is so  frequent esp. on cold start, I never pay attention to the car's performance as the tick comes  and goes. I will disconnect the boost solenoid since I have boostvalve MBC anyway. If the tick  doesn't go away, I may do the ECU cap replacement as preventative maintenance.
 
Riyan
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:29:42 -0800
From: Jim Elferdink <macintosh@sunra.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking behind dash gauge pod
 
I think you're going way out on the wrong limb here suspecting the ECU. David Thrower gave the  correct answer some time ago: the evaporative emission purge solenoid doing what it's supposed  to do. It's mounted on the firewall next to the turbo waste-gate solenoid--directly behind the  gauge pod. I hear it every day when I start up and pull out of the driveway. It has always  annoyed me!
 
Spend $5 on a mechanic's stethoscope and you can easily prove it to yourself.
 
Why does the solenoid click on and off so rapidly? Good question--but the ECU is apparently  telling it to based on barometric pressure, intake air temperature, intake air volume, and  coolant temperature (according to the service manual).
 
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> The sound could be your ECU.  A ticking sound from the dash is one of
> the symptoms of bad caps.  This usually accompanied by engine stalling
> or loss of power during the noise.
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:26:34 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking behind dash gauge pod
 
OK, I guess I'll state the obvious. A person can eliminate the solenoids on
the firewall as the source of the noise by simply disconnecting the
electrical connector for each (one at a time, of course). Start with the BC
solenoid.
 
The boost control solenoid made annoying ticking noises (like described
earlier) on my '92 Stealth. I removed it because it wasn't being used (I use
an EVC IV) and plugged the hose between it and the intake hose to the rear
turbo. No more ticking (of that sort).
 
Jeff Lucius http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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Subject: Re: Team3S: Ticking behind dash gauge pod
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:29:42 -0800
From: Jim Elferdink <macintosh@sunra.com>
 
I think you're going way out on the wrong limb here suspecting the ECU. David Thrower gave the  correct answer some time ago: the evaporative emission purge solenoid doing what it's supposed  to do. It's mounted on the firewall next to the turbo waste-gate solenoid--directly behind the  gauge pod. I hear it every day when I start up and pull out of the driveway. It has always  annoyed me!
 
Spend $5 on a mechanic's stethoscope and you can easily prove it to yourself.
 
Why does the solenoid click on and off so rapidly? Good question--but the ECU is apparently  telling it to based on barometric pressure, intake air temperature, intake air volume, and  coolant temperature (according to the service manual).
 
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:00:16 -0500
From: "Planet" <planet.j@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Fog lights in Canada
 
This question is mainly for Canadians. I'm aware that the fog lights on a 92 stealth in Canada  are the day time running lights. Here is my problem. When the head lights are off, the fog  lights are on (day time running lights). And when I turn on the headlights(high or low beams)  the fog lights go off. The button on the dash to turn on the fog lights doesn't seem to work. I  press it and nothing happens. I know the button wont do anything when the headlights are off  because the fog lights are already on. But when I turn the headlights on, and turn on the fog  lights. They don't go on. Is this normal? A button on the dash that doesn't do anything because  it was made for the U.S. Anyone else with a Canadian model let me know if they can turn on their  fog lights when the headlights are on.
 
I know this was really confusing but I can't explain it any other way.
 
Thanks
Jason
 
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