Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume
02 : Number 005
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:04:16 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Restore additive
The question is whether you actually had low oil pressure or your pressure
warning sensor got clogged with the Restore additive. Those warning
sensors (according to Satan) get clogged frequently. The engine flush that
you used may have just cleaned the gunk out of the switch. Either way, I'm
still slightly hesitant to put any additive in my engine. But maybe I should
get over it, because I have the worst lifter tick! At least it gets better
when she's warm. I'm thinking about getting KrankVent....
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
I'm hungry
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:15:52 +0000
From:
nouveau3@attbi.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
Restore additive
I'm with you Riyun, very reluctant to use additives, especially any
claiming
to "fill in".
Has anyone seen first hand a reduction in lifter
tick, with Krank vents
installed?
> The question is whether you actually had low oil pressure or your
> pressure warning sensor got clogged with the Restore additive. Those
> warning sensors (according to Satan) get clogged frequently. The
> engine flush that you used may have just cleaned the gunk out of the
> switch. Either way, I'm still slightly hesitant to put any additive in
> my engine. But maybe I should get over it, because I have the worst
> lifter tick! At least it gets better when she's warm. I'm thinking
> about getting KrankVent....
>
> Riyan
> 93 stealth
rt tt
> I'm hungry
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:32:35 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <
RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Restore additive
What I believe most people see with Krank Vents is decrease in crankcase
pressure, which may lead to more oil stating in the heads under
boost?
Any one else have thoughts on this?
Russ F
CT
- -----Original Message-----
From:
nouveau3@attbi.com
[mailto:nouveau3@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:16
PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Restore additive
I'm with you Riyun, very reluctant to use additives, especially any
claiming
to "fill in".
Has anyone seen first hand a reduction in lifter tick, with Krank vents
installed?
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:40:17 -0800
From: Andrew Woll <
awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: anyone ever heard of a magnetic pickup coil
There may very well be a replacement but it may be very hard to find. I had
this very same problem in my BMW 635 distributor. Everyone I talked to
said there was no replacement for the coil alone, but then a place in New
Hampshire said there was one and sold it to me for 50. It worked perfectly
and the car ran fine for years. Keep asking various sources.
Andy
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Marven Lamarre" <
neoblackjack21@earthlink.net>
Sent:
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:57 AM
Subject: Team3S: anyone ever heard of a
magnetic pickup coil
| Hello everyone,
|
| I have been looking all over for a magnetic
pickup coil replacement
| that goes inside my distributor. I need it for my
1992 Dodge Stealth
| SOHC that has that previously mentioned shutting down
after warming up
| (usually during the colder months). If anyone knows where
I can find
| it or a reliable dealer or even an OEM number I can use for
searching
| it would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:52:14 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Restore additive [now KrankVent]
The intake is actively sucking out the burnt oil and vapor from blow-by
gases at all times. That's the advantage of KrankVent... right? And if you
use it in conjunction with a catch can then I'd imagine that it would be
very beneficial to get the vapors out of the valve cover. When it gets
that stuff out, it goes straight to the catch can rather than back to your
intake tract. For an inexpensive but very functional home-made catch can,
see Erik Gross's peanut butter injection :)
Also, perhaps it's the constant vacuum that is on the crankcase with Krank
Vent that removes the excess air and unwelcome vapors from the lifters and
keeps them filled with oil like they should be, thus minimizing, if not
eliminating lifter tick.
The crankcase vacuum is discussed on Jeff L.'s page:
That's all for now...
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:57:48 -0500
From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Steering wheel swaps
After looking at replacing my wheel and getting quotes of $100 to fix it
up, I hiked to a shoe repair place and spent $7 on black leather
dye.
One coat and it looks awesome......
Left it overnight, and has only a trace of tackiness when white knuckle
gripping the wheel (pretty commonplace in Boca during snowbird season
though!!), and definitely no sign of residue.
Hope this helps someone else.
Andre
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andre Cerri
Sent: Thursday,
September 05, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Team3S: Steering wheel swaps
Are the steering wheels all the same through the years? Specifically with
regard to a 92. Don't care about the stereo controls. Mine is totally
scuffed up.
Any concerns about air bags when swapping?
All comments and suggestions welcome.
Thanks
Andre
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:48:26 -0800
From: Damon Rachell <
damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Borla, K&N Intake and BOV
I'd believe that the HP peak is not increased with an exhaust, though the
area under the cure is increased. I've seen
increases in both 0-60mph times (gtech) as well as 1/4 times (gtech).
Both were dramatic, on the order of 0.3 seconds faster in 0-60 (from 5.6
average over 10 runs to 5.3sec) and 0.5sec gains in the 1/4. Spool up
feels instantaneous without cats and a free flowing exhaust. The turbo
spooling is a great rush now where as before, it felt labored and slow.
So, if nothing else, spoolup time is shortened.
Originally, I thought it wouldn't make much difference, but afterwards,
I was very impressed with the SOTP feel.
Damon
>>An exhaust is about 17-20 but has another benefit, it is lighter
and
>>allows you to remove the active exhaust
motor.
>>
>
> Russ, you don't have a dyno sheet do you ??
The truth is ... zero gain
> unless boost is upped, and the precats, DP,
Cat are gone. The weight
> is the most gain.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:22:19 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Borla, K&N Intake and BOV
> I'd believe that the HP peak is not increased with an exhaust, though
> the area under the cure is increased. I've seen increases in
both
> 0-60mph times (gtech) as well as 1/4 times (gtech).
> Both
were dramatic, on the order of 0.3 seconds faster in 0-60 (from
> 5.6
average over 10 runs to 5.3sec) and 0.5sec gains in the 1/4.
This is due to the reduced weight. Look at the dynos, no gain for exhausts
with the same boost and this is over many cars.
> Spool up
> feels instantaneous without cats and a free flowing
exhaust.
This is due to the missing precats !
> Originally, I thought it wouldn't make much difference, but
>
afterwards, I was very impressed with the SOTP feel.
Sure, but only remove the precats and you feel the difference. The other
stuff is only for high flow and should free more horses in the top end.
But this only works when boost can be increased a lot.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:30:20 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1 Can !!!
for those of you that feel like you really want to do this... do yourself a
favor and introduce it to your system slowly. There's nothing that seems
more horrible than one huge glob of additive dispersing itself through the
lubrication system. What about all those little oil galleys...? I'd
personally feel more comfortable adding 1 to 2 ozs. per drive for about 2
weeks or 14 "starts". Now... that's assuming that I'd even use the
stuff in the first place!
Riyan
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:25 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph"
<
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1 Can !!!
I suppose someone is taking a tally out there, so I might as well make my
position known. I, for one, will never use any additives, especially
additives to the crankcase. Too many manufacturers make too many
ridiculous claims about additives (one increases gas mileage, one
increases horsepower, "make your engine run better than new!) that I don't trust
any of them. (Remember that the manufacturer of Slick 50 found
itself in some pretty heated litigation about the claims it made about its
product). The only thing I'll ever add is the occasional bottle of
injector cleaner. With that said, I remember quite some time ago (the
early 80's to be exact), GM had trouble with sticking/ticking lifters in
its 350 engines. The solution (which occasionally, but not always
worked) was to add a quart of GM SuperOil Supplement in place of a quart
of oil when you changed the oil. I don't know what the heck SuperOil
Supplement was, but sometimes it took the tick away, and sometimes it
didn't.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Riyan Mynuddin
[mailto:riyan@hotpop.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:30
PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1 Can !!!
for those of you that feel like you really want to do this... do yourself a
favor and introduce it to your system slowly. There's nothing that seems
more horrible than one huge glob of additive dispersing itself through the
lubrication system. What about all those little oil galleys...? I'd
personally feel more comfortable adding 1 to 2 ozs. per drive for about 2
weeks or 14 "starts". Now... that's assuming that I'd even use the
stuff in the first place!
Riyan
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:56:14 -0500
From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Remote locking
Is this easy to add to a 92 with central locking only?
If so, what parts etc do you need?
Thx
Andre
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Once upon a time, I had two Galants. The Mitsu dealer insisted on
adding Restore additive during the periodic maintenance on each car.
The cars ran fine during the three years I had them. Of course,
neither had turbos and neither went on the track.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Woll
[mailto:awoll1@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:42
PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1 Can !!!
I have used restore in at least 5 cars and trucks. I have never had any
problem and it has made my engines run better - At least it seemed that
way. I did not do any testing at all to confirm it one way or the
other.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:41:35 -0800
From: Andrew Woll <
awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1 Can !!!
I have used restore in at least 5 cars and trucks. I have never had any
problem and it has made my engines run better - At least it seemed that
way. I did not do any testing at all to confirm it one way or the
other.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <
Rod2414738@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday,
November 19, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1
Can !!!
| I've used Restore in the past on my normally aspirated cars and was
|
impressed with the results. I just wish they'd correct their TV
|
commercials that show the oil coming from the top of the cylinder
| to fill
in the scratches. You don't have to understand engines
| very well to
know that is not where the oil in the cylinder comes
| from unless you have
problems with your engine that even Restore
| can't hope to fix. Maybe
I am not understanding the commercial
| correctly.
|
| -Rod
| '93
Stealth TT
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:42:47 -0600
From: Michael Provence <
MProvence@gencofcu.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Team 3S: Lifter Tick GONE w/ 1 Can !!!
I tried RESTORE about a year ago. My car was ticking like a rabbit at
a wolf convention. Quite embarrassing at times. I used
Seafoam, Marvel Mystery Oil, and various weighted oils to no avail.
While I would hesitate to recommend any product without more information, I can
say it worked for me. I have used it several times since and it MAY
have even helped the long term problem. My last two oil changes I
didn't use it and my engine sounds great. Once again I am not making
any claims about this product and it is truly a personal decision
concerning additives. Take it for what it's worth.
Mike
94 3000GT NA
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:02:17 -0500
From: Vinny <
vinman3@comcast.net>
Subject:
Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Hey All,
In reading others
responses they say to gut or remove the precat(2). Do these affect
emissions testing and are they really cats? Do they also make the exhaust
(Borla) too loud? I don't want that.
Also I read that the only difference between the 300HP and the 320HP VR4's
was the BOV. Is this true? If not what is giving them 20 more
ponies?
Thanks
Vinny
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:20:12 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
Precats are to reduce emissions at startup --- they heat up fast and cut HC
when the engine and system is cold. Gutted precats should not show up on
smog tests but they can be detected in a visual inspection.
The difference in the 300 and 320 is the boost pressure which was raised
from 8 psi or so to 12 psi --- the BOV is to release pressure in the
intercooler piping to protect the turbos when the throttles are shut. No
HP should be
added unless the BOV is leaking boost pressure.
Jim Berry
====================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinny" <
vinman3@comcast.net>
Sent:
Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:02 PM
Subject: Team3S: What the heck are the
pre-cats?
> Hey All,
> In reading
others responses they say to gut or remove the
> precat(2). Do these
affect emissions testing and are they really cats?
> Do they also
make the exhaust (Borla) too loud? I don't want that.
>
>
Also I read that the only difference between the 300HP and the 320HP
>
VR4's was the BOV. Is this true? If not what is giving them 20 more
> ponies?
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:16:52 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
How does a visual inspection detect a gutted precat? You mean if they take
your exhaust off?
Tyson
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax
Sent: Wednesday, November
20, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Precats are to reduce emissions at startup --- they heat up fast and cut HC
when the engine and system is cold. Gutted precats should not show up on
smog tests but they can be detected in a visual inspection.
The difference in the 300 and 320 is the boost pressure which was raised
from 8 psi or so to 12 psi --- the BOV is to release pressure in the
intercooler piping to protect the turbos when the throttles are shut. No
HP should be added unless the BOV is leaking boost pressure.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:36:28 -0500
From: "David Thrower" <
repairerr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Ticking behind dash gauge pod
Probably the "Canister Purge Solenoid" doing its job?
Dave
Thrower
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:52:00 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
All you have to do is tap on it and you can tell by the sound that it's not
full of honeycomb --- I'm not sure if they do that but I sure as hell
would if I were the smog police.
Jim Berry
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:06:17 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
If you were the smog police and actually cared about your job, maybe. But
considering the fact that at least in Illinois they have a hard enough
time finding my gas tank lid, I don't think they'd even know where to look
for a precat, or even know that this car had one...
BTW, at least where I go, they don't have AWD dynos, so they do the check
while the car is idling. Does this mean that if I ran the crap out of her
and then smogged her with no pre cats and no main cat, I could pass?
Alex.
'95 VR4
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax
Sent: Wednesday, November
20, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
All you have to do is tap on it and you can tell by the sound that it's not
full of honeycomb --- I'm not sure if they do that but I sure as hell
would if I were the smog police.
Jim Berry
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:15:10 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Mar car did better in emissions with no cats than it ever has (previous
6
years) which were all done with cats. This considering that around the time
I gutted the cats is when my car started to burn a bit of oil. Cats are a
scam!! And no, mine were not damaged or clogged. They were PERFECT!
Prefect pieces of ****.
Tyson
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko
Sent: Wednesday,
November 20, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the
pre-cats?
If you were the smog police and actually cared about your job, maybe. But
considering the fact that at least in Illinois they have a hard enough
time finding my gas tank lid, I don't think they'd even know where to look
for a precat, or even know that this car had one...
BTW, at least where I go, they don't have AWD dynos, so they do the check
while the car is idling. Does this mean that if I ran the crap out of her
and then smogged her with no pre cats and no main cat, I could pass?
Alex.
'95 VR4
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax
Sent: Wednesday, November
20, 2002 10:52 PM
To: Tigran Varosyan; 'TeamS3'
Subject: Re: Team3S: What
the heck are the pre-cats?
All you have to do is tap on it and you can tell by the sound that it's not
full of honeycomb --- I'm not sure if they do that but I sure as hell
would if I were the smog police.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:42:05 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
According to the rules out here in California the cars must pass a visual
and an emissions test. Most cars are run up on a dyno and inspected and
tested but like Illinois there are no 4 wheel dynos so they do an idle
test. They do look under the car for modified exhaust and would notice a
missing cat and probably modified systems on the more popular cars. I plan on
taking my car to a place where they don't normally see the high end cars
-- Pep Boys for example. Federal law does not allow for any changes to the
exhaust system from the cat forward --- cat back is allowed. You're not
even allowed to change the cat unless it's defective.
I'm hoping they can't tell the difference between a stock MAS and an ARCII,
that way I won't have to change out injectors and the ARC when I have it
smoged in two years.
Jim Berry
==================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Sent: Wednesday,
November 20, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the
pre-cats?
> If you were the smog police and actually cared about your job, maybe.
> But considering the fact that at least in Illinois they have a hard
> enough time finding my gas tank lid, I don't think they'd even know
> where to look for a precat, or even know that this car had
one...
>
> BTW, at least where I go, they don't have AWD dynos, so
they do the
> check while the car is idling. Does this mean that if I ran
the crap
> out of her and then smogged her with no pre cats and no main
cat, I
> could pass?
>
> Alex.
> '95 VR4
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:12:01 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
Pep boys??? In Illinois they have special facilities set up... and they
smog every year now...
Wow - I guess Illinois is trying to catch up to cali...
Oh well...
Alex.
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax
Sent: Wednesday, November
20, 2002 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
According to the rules out here in California the cars must pass a visual
and an emissions test. Most cars are run up on a dyno and inspected and
tested but like Illinois there are no 4 wheel dynos so they do an idle
test. They do look under the car for modified exhaust and would notice a
missing cat and probably modified systems on the more popular cars. I plan on
taking my car to a place where they don't normally see the high end cars
-- Pep Boys for example. Federal law does not allow for any changes to the
exhaust system from the cat forward --- cat back is allowed. You're not
even allowed to change the cat unless it's defective.
I'm hoping they can't tell the difference between a stock MAS and an ARCII,
that way I won't have to change out injectors and the ARC when I have it
smoged in two years.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:05:01 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
a good idea if you have afc, arc, or other fuel correction system is to
just run the car very lean when you go in for the smog check. about cats
being a "scam"... I wouldn't go as far as to say that. but as tyson has
experienced, if your car is very well tuned (especially if it's set lean)
then it may be able to pass without cats. cats offer a buffer zone between
tune-ups so that a car that's not in perfect shape can still pass. HC
(unburned gas) is converted to carbon dioxide and water by the cat.
therefore, a car that's running moderately rich can still pass the HC
test. my 1990 infiniti had a bad o2 sensor (it constantly ran rich in limp home
mode) and it still passed smog. even if the ECU was reset, CEL would come
on after about 20 minutes of driving, indicating that the sensor was bad.
I just reset the ECU before going in for a check and everything went fine.
recently I changed the o2 sensor since I wanted good gas mileage back
though.
in illinois they check smog yearly? here in cali we still only get checked
once every 2 years (that is, unless you receive a complaint from a
disgruntled driver). since I also have 'high air flow' through my exhaust,
I'm gonna need to pull out the wallet and get creative when it comes to be
that time of the year... :)
riyan
93 rt tt
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:18:24 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S:
today's amazing experience, and a word of advice
Today I hotwired my fuel pump. I used the Lucius method which is very
simple if you buy the kit from Dynamic Racing. Erik's method is preferable
if you don't have a fuel computer, but since I do, I didn't worry about
it. In order to avoid running very rich, my fuel correction on the S-AFC
needed to change more than 5% after the hot wire! The car also has doesn't
hesitate as much and has quicker throttle response. Plus, I'm less afraid
to boost now. I have 450cc injectors. Running a stock pump with high
resistance wiring wasn't doing them much justice! I was too cautious to
boost past .5 bar before, and now I just might step it up to .7 or .8 bar.
This mod is very useful. Still, don't go insane on your car after the hotwire.
Stock internals, as many of us have learned the hard way, really shouldn't
go past 1 bar.
Happy boosting!
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
I can taste the power.
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:48:26 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S:
replacement idea for teflon tape?
I have tried screwing in my fuel pressure sensor t-fitting with teflon
tape, and it still leaks. I just can't get it to stop. I have tried using
just 2 layers of teflon tape (the first time) and up to 5 layers of it
(the second
time) before screwing the barb fittings in. I use a vise and
wrench to screw them very tight. any ideas on an alternative? I do have
some J-B weld...but unfortunately that would be a one-shot deal. and if it
leaked, there wouldn't be any going back! I searched the web and found
something called permatex thread sealant. should I try this? any other
ideas?
thanks,
Riyan
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:15:07 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph"
<
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Pennsylvania's got the best deal. No smog test for cars driven less
than 5000 miles a year. Since I only drive my car in nice weather, I
never even get close to 5000 miles a year.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko
[mailto:alex@kolosy.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:12
AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Pep boys??? In Illinois they have special facilities set up... and they
smog every year now...
Wow - I guess Illinois is trying to catch up to cali...
Oh well...
Alex.
- -----Original Message-----
From: fastmax
Sent: Wednesday, November
20, 2002 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
According to the rules out here in California the cars must pass a visual
and an emissions test. Most cars are run up on a dyno and inspected and
tested but like Illinois there are no 4 wheel dynos so they do an idle
test. They do look under the car for modified exhaust and would notice a
missing cat and probably modified systems on the more popular cars. I plan on
taking my car to a place where they don't normally see the high end cars
-- Pep Boys for example. Federal law does not allow for any changes to the
exhaust system from the cat forward --- cat back is allowed. You're not
even allowed to change the cat unless it's defective.
I'm hoping they can't tell the difference between a stock MAS and an ARCII,
that way I won't have to change out injectors and the ARC when I have it
smoged in two years.
------------------------------
The chance of emission tests are one reason I went with the Stillen
downpipe. It removes the front pre cat and the main cat in one swell
foop. If emissions testing comes to Iowa, I can replace the Stillen
with the stock downpipe and cats in a few minutes.
Likewise, my original catback stock dual exhaust is in the garage if it has
to go back on some day to replace the straight-through single side system
on there now.
I suspect that anyone who had to do this on a yearly basis would get so
good at it that they could swap exhaust systems on a Saturday morning on
jackstands in their garage. Using stainless steel studs and bolts
throughout might make the swap much easier, too.
As for living in Pennsylvania, been there, done that. I found that $50
slipped under the table to the inspector solved lots of problems. It's
probably up to $100 by now...inflation, you know.
Rich/slow old poop
At 08:15 AM 11/21/02 -0500, Starkey, Jr., Joseph
wrote:
>Pennsylvania's got the best deal. No smog test for cars
driven less
>than 5000 miles a year. Since I only drive my car in
nice weather, I
>never even get close to 5000 miles a year.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:04:34 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
Michigan's better - there's no smog test, period.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Starkey, Jr., Joseph
Sent:
Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are
the pre-cats?
Pennsylvania's got the best deal. No smog test for cars driven less
than 5000 miles a year. Since I only drive my car in nice weather, I
never even get close to 5000 miles a year.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:54:52 +0000
From:
nouveau3@attbi.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
Out here in Oregon, we have emission testing in the Portland metro area, as
well as in Eugene and Salem, it isn't state wide. They do dyno testing here
but
fortunately no 4 wheel dynos, and they really don't look for aftermarket
or
modifications.
We only have to test every two years, so after mine was done this past
March, I
installed a test pipe and will put a downpipe and cat back, as soon
as I can
find what I want. I'll probably leave the precats as is, at least
for the time
being.
Anyone in the Portland test area been successful getting through the
emissions
test with gutted precats?
> Michigan's better - there's no smog test, period.
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:08 -0700
From: Desert Fox <
bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Is there any good reason NOT to remove all the cats if you live somewhere
that allows for such? Any long term ill effect to the engine or other mods
that need to go along with this one?
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi
exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:56:07 -0600
From: "Morice, Francis" <
francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Well, if you have an OBDII car, you will have to suffer through the Check
Engine light every 500 miles or so and as the O2 sensors degrade over
time, it will come on sooner.
Francis
'96 RT/TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Desert Fox
[mailto:bigfoot@simmgene.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:48
AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Is there any good reason NOT to remove all the cats if you live somewhere
that allows for such? Any long term ill effect to the engine or other mods
that need to go along with this one?
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:58:02 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph"
<
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
I think the good reason NOT to remove them is that if the car comes
equipped from the manufacturer with a cat, it violates federal law to
remove it, regardless of the state in which you live doesn't require a
smog test. And a state can't allow you to remove it if federal law
says you can't.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Desert Fox
[mailto:bigfoot@simmgene.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:48
AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Is there any good reason NOT to remove all the cats if you live somewhere
that allows for such? Any long term ill effect to the engine or other mods
that need to go along with this one?
- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi
exit
formerly reasonable and prudent
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:05:25 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
What the heck are the pre-cats?
Does that mean that if you have gutted pre-cats, you'll have to replace
your o2 sensors on a regular basis?
What about the $500 pre-cat eliminator kit, how's that any better than
gutted precats (which are free ;)
Alex.
'95 VR4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Morice, Francis
Sent: Thursday,
November 21, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the
pre-cats?
Well, if you have an OBDII car, you will have to suffer through the Check
Engine light every 500 miles or so and as the O2 sensors degrade over
time, it will come on sooner.
Francis
'96 RT/TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Desert Fox
[mailto:bigfoot@simmgene.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:48
AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Is there any good reason NOT to remove all the cats if you live somewhere
that allows for such? Any long term ill effect to the engine or other mods
that need to go along with this one?
------------------------------
Great point! But does this Federal prohibition extend to the owner of
the car, or just to mechanics who are servicing the car for money?
Some behaviors are prohibited only in the course of commerce, such as the
removal of a mattress tag.
Chuck Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Starkey, Jr., Joseph
[mailto:starkeyje@bipc.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 AM
To:
Desert Fox; TeamS3
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
I think the good reason NOT to remove them is that if the car comes
equipped from the manufacturer with a cat, it violates federal law to
remove it, regardless of the state in which you live doesn't require a
smog test. And a state can't allow you to remove it if federal law
says you can't.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:08:37 -0600
From: "Morice, Francis" <
francis.morice@retek.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
You will have to replace the 2 downstream (the sniffers) O2 sensors more
often for OBDII cars as they will get fouled up with the "extra"
contaminants..
Francis
'96 RT/TT
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko
[mailto:alex@kolosy.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:05
AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Does that mean that if you have gutted pre-cats, you'll have to replace
your o2 sensors on a regular basis?
What about the $500 pre-cat eliminator kit, how's that any better than
gutted precats (which are free ;)
Alex.
'95 VR4
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:13:17 -0500
From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Remote locking
BTW I'm assuming that this was a factory option and I can cannibalize parts
from another car?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andre Cerri
Sent: Wednesday,
November 20, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Team3S: Remote locking
Is this easy to add to a 92 with central locking only?
If so, what parts etc do you need?
Thx
Andre
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:45:36 +0000
From:
nouveau3@attbi.comSubject: RE: Team3S:
Remote locking
You might just think about getting an aftermarket security system. Most
have
the remote locks and if you've already got the central locking system
the parts
would be minimal. Most are much better than the security systems
from the
factory. (speaking from the bad experience that I had a few months
ago with my
factory system)
> BTW I'm assuming that this was a factory option and I can cannibalize
> parts from another car?
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Andre Cerri
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20,
2002 4:56 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Remote locking
>
> Is this
easy to add to a 92 with central locking only?
>
> If so, what
parts etc do you need?
>
> Thx
>
> Andre
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:06:53 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph"
<
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Owner.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E.
[mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 21,
2002 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
Great point! But does this Federal prohibition extend to the owner of
the car, or just to mechanics who are servicing the car for money?
Some behaviors are prohibited only in the course of commerce, such as the
removal of a mattress tag.
Chuck Willis
- -----Original Message-----
From: Starkey, Jr., Joseph
[mailto:starkeyje@bipc.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58
AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: What the heck are the pre-cats?
I think the good reason NOT to remove them is that if the car comes
equipped from the manufacturer with a cat, it violates federal law to
remove it, regardless of the state in which you live doesn't require a
smog test. And a state can't allow you to remove it if federal law
says you can't.
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