Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Saturday, November 9 2002  Volume 01 : Number 993
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:58:23 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S: What Heads will fit my car?
 
Time to start looking for parts... Simple question, what heads will fit my car? I'm thinking it  may be cheaper /better to buy heads then to get a valve job done. My car is a '92VR4. The only  thing I can think of is that the 91-92 had the adjustable cam angle sensor. Will my sensor setup  fit into other year heads or not?
 
Also, is there any difference between SL and TT heads?
 
Not that long ago Paul sold a beautiful pair of ported/polished heads, with pressure tested seated  valves and '99 lifters for $900.... Man I wish I jumped on that! But then again, if I did they  would be all bent up now!
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:35:23 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: What Heads will fit my car?
 
*Complete* DOHC 6G72 head info is available at my web page below. It notes the
part number differences between NA (Z11A) and Turbo (Z16A) models and year to
year. SOHC heads will not work (that I am aware f). The DOHC 6G72 was
installed in the Diamante, Stealth, and 3000GT.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-headinfo.htm
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
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From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:58 AM
Subject: Team3S: What Heads will fit my car?
 
Time to start looking for parts... Simple question, what heads will fit my car? I'm thinking it  may be cheaper /better to buy heads then to get a valve job done. My car is a '92VR4. The only  thing I can think of is that the 91-92 had the adjustable cam angle sensor. Will my sensor setup  fit into other year heads or not?
 
Also, is there any difference between SL and TT heads?
 
Not that long ago Paul sold a beautiful pair of ported/polished heads, with pressure tested seated  valves and '99 lifters for $900.... Man I wish I jumped on that! But then again, if I did they  would be all bent up now!
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:35:25 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: What Heads will fit my car?
 
Jeff, that chart is making my head spin... The only difference that I can see thought is the cams.  My cams (I measured a year ago) were perfect. Is it possible to just take out old cams and put  mine in then call it good?
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:22:42 -0600
From: "john adams" <onionworld@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need Spoiler
 
Anyone have a 3000gt non-vr4 spoiler they would like
to unload, preferably emerald green?
 
regards,
john
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:36:33 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Ignition advance question
 
All -
 
I'm in the process of tuning my AEM EMS, and I often find myself wonder what the stock ECU did in  certain situations.  The fuel is easy enough the figure out, but the timing advance is not as  obvious. 
 
Does anybody have any idea how much the stock ECU advances the timing while driving?  I'm sure it  runs more advance during cruise, but how much?  I'm also sure it runs less advance during higher  load, but again, how much?
 
Is ignition advance loggable on 1st gen cars?  If so, does anybody have logs of their car during  idling, cruising, and boosting?  I certainly don't need full-blown maps, I'm just looking for a  few starting points for my tuning.
 
Thanks,
- - Brian
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:27:59 -0500
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: Redline oil and wheel bearings
 
I got a few questions. I'm gonna change the drive train fluids probably next weekend.  I was  thinking of using Redline oil but I have read about how TCs started leaking after pouring in the  synthetic stuff. How prevalent is this? Also, where can I order MT-90 and MTL from? I went to that  website recommended on Jeff's site but they only have Shockproof and 75W90 stuff. I didn't see any  MT-90 or MTL, unless they started marketing it under a new name or label. Is Redline better than  BG Synhchroshift(I haven't read anything about BG causing leaks)? 2nd question: How do you know  it's time to replace wheel bearings, besides mileage on the car. I know the previous owner of the  car changed them a long time ago but I'm not sure exactly what the mileage on the current ones is.  Will I hear any noises or feel a ride difference? Finally, sometimes when I come to a light, the  passenger cabin starts smelling like some fluid burning. I guess the AC is picking up the fumes  from the engine bay or somewhere else.  I lifted the car and saw that some "clear, amber" colored  fluid was dripping on the downpipe, which I'm pretty positive is what is causing the foul smell.  Question is, where is this fluid coming from? Is this gear fluid already leaking out of the  transaxle or TC? I traced the dripping to a rubber hose that connects to a metal line that leads  to the driver side driveshaft but I'm not sure if it is leaking from there or coming from  somewhere up top. Any suggestions? Thanks.
 
E.RDZ
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:30:06 -0500
From: "Rodriguez, Elpidio   x35617d1" <x35617@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Redline oil and wheel bearings
 
Oops, I'm such a dummy. I was only looking at the gear oil sections on that website. I just  realized that MT-90 and MTL are listed under the manual tranny tab. Sorry.......
 
E.RDZ
 
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Date: Fri,  8 Nov 2002 14:29:38 -0500
From: Michael Tanenbaum <gtg509d@mail.gatech.edu>
Subject: Team3S: ECU update (car started the first time but not since)
 
Hi,
 
Thanks again for the advice.  I got my ECU back from the TV repair shop last
night and plugged it in and....IT STARTED!!!!  I drove it a little bit (just in
the parking lot).  The timing is off and I was going to get that fixed today,
but my car wouldn't start.  It turned over but couldn't hold it.  It started
ticking and clicking and then cut off.  I will pull the ECU and look at the
work.  I don't know if there's a short somewhere in the car or what.  While
removing the kick panel I came across some old wiring from a cell phone and I
tried to trace it to remove, but ended up just cutting it to shorten it- might
that be a potential source.  Could it be a fuse somewhere?  I'm open to any
ideas.  I'll look around and let you know what I find.
 
Thanks,
Michael
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:56:13 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Redline oil and wheel bearings
 
You can test for a _really_ bad wheel bearing by jacking up the car so that whatever wheel you're  trying is off the ground, and trying to move the wheel like you're trying to take it off (w/o  loosening the lugs). You should have _no_ play whatsoever.
 
I've heard horror stories of people having their wheel come off on the highway, so I wouldn't mess  with it.
 
Alex.
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:42:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Tse <tse1631@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: FAN WON'T BLOW
 
Hi Guys: I have a 92 VR4 and the vent just got no wind
blows out. AC unit is on and looks o.k. But fan not
running. What fuses should I check? Where is the
blower located? Thanks!
Anthony
 
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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 21:08:07 +0000
From: "Tom Bromm" <tbromm68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: 5-speed oil/additives suggestions?
 
My N/A 5-speed's oil has about 100K miles on it now so I'm due for a change.
  The last time it was changed I THINK I added both Mopar Sure-Grip additive
(comes in a small white bottle with blue, bad smelling oil) and Prolong
tranny oil additive to the dino oil (not sure of the viscosity).
 
It shifted good with this set up but I know how everyone is fond of
synthetics, at least for the engine.  Any recommendations for synthetic
tranny oil?  If I still get a sticky shifter with a synthetic any
suggestions on good additives?  Any help is appreciated!
 
Tom
'92 N/A Stealth R/T
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:00:27 EST
From: GMightymoose@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: past 3kgt gathering pics
 
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone knew of any links or old site that have
past "gathering" pics.  I was looking for the 2001 charlotte gathering
and 2002 blue ridge gathering pics.  Thanks in advance for any info.
 
James
 
99 & 92 VR4
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:02:34 EST
From: GMightymoose@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: replacing lifters....
 
I am going to attempt to replace all of my lifters in my 92 VR4 very soon. 
Can anyone please suggest the best place/best price once may find these?? Thanks in advance for  any and all info
 
James
 
99 & 92 VR4
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:28 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU update (car started the first time but not since)
 
Did you have all 3 of your capacitors replaced or just the leaking 47 that you found?
 
If not, then replace the other 2.  I know on my ECU, I had 2 leaking caps and the 3rd one stated  leaking when the repair guy pulled it out.
 
I looked at your older post on what the TV repair guy quoted you.  $100 is very steep for a 15  minute job.  Take your ECU somewhere else to replace the other caps.
 
I don't think anyone with leaking caps had another component go bad on their boards from the  leaking fluid.  The board is covered in some sort of coating that would prevent this.  Replace the  other caps before worrying about any other parts.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:48:06 +1300
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU update (car started the first time but not since)
 
It's not a 15 min job, to do it properly takes up to 2 hours. Changing the caps only NEVER fixes  it. The circuit board has to be cleaned where it leaked, eaten tracks repaired where needed.
 
Steve
 
> I looked at your older post on what the TV repair guy quoted you. 
> $100 is very steep for a 15 minute job.  Take your ECU somewhere else
> to replace the other caps.
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:54:22 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Timing marks on the crank Pulley (Continuation: Prayer didn't help...)
 
Tyson,
 
The first thing you want to verify is static timing.  Pull the #1 spark plug.  Insert a long blade  screwdriver.  Use a socket wrench to turn the crankshaft bolt.  You can watch the screwdriver go  up and down.  It is fairly easy to determine top dead center this way.  Tell us where the timing  mark on the crankshaft pulley ends up.  It should line up with the "0" on the BTDC gauge.  Then,  when you know the crankshaft is at TDC, you can check your camshaft marks.  If they are way off,  rotate the crank another 360 degrees.  If static timing is good, then check timing while the  engine is running.  Don't forget to ground the brown timing ground, or you will see very advanced  timing (as you described below).
 
Good luck,
Ken
 
> I know that I got the cams lined up correctly. I know those things
> real well. I also pulled the wheel off to check and make sure that I
> had the pin lined up to the pulley and it is, I can see the pin in
> there....
> My timing on the crank is WAY off.... The timing mark is at about 12
> o'clock on the pulley when using the timing light.... I'm guesstimating
> about 55-65 degrees.... Best I can hope for now is to find what the
> hell made it skip
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:19:20 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S: Jeff and others. Help with a head question
 
Got a guy whom wants to sell me a pair of heads for $500. They came out of a '91 DOHC N/A. The guy  (and he seems to know what he is talking about) says that the only difference is that the exhaust  cams would need to be swapped out which he says is a piece of cake. I would be reusing my cams,  but I don't feel bad about that because I measured them last year and they were at like-new spec,  so they should be ok now.
 
My car again is a '92 VR4. I have the adjustable CAS.
 
#1 Will these heads fit my car and my CAS after the exhaust cams are switched? #2 Are cams easy to  install? (special tools?) #3 Is $500 for a pair of heads with a full valve job on them and  surfacing a good deal? It sounds good to me...
 
Thanks in advance for the advice. Jeff, I tried to look at that diagram you sent the email about.  I cant make heads or tails of it. I hope that someone with engine experience could just tell me if  these will work.
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:33:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Tse <tse1631@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:Fan won't blow
 
Thanks Songsay & Jim Fay:
Is it a fuse or relay to check before I take it out? I
was having the head light, AC, windshield wiper and CD
player on, then once a sudden there was no more wind
blew out. San Francisco is having real bad weather
today. Kind of dangerous driving without the front
vents blowing the windshield. I check the fuse box
near the engine, but I only found the rad.fan fuse &
relay. No fuse or relay mark for the vent. Can anyone
give me some suggestion which one to check? Thank you.
  Anthony 
 
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:57:11 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU update (car started the first time but not since)
 
> It's not a 15 min job, to do it properly takes up to 2 hours. Changing
> the caps only NEVER fixes it. The circuit board has to be cleaned
> where it leaked, eaten tracks repaired where needed.
 
Never?  That is a very generalizing word.  When I had my caps replace, I suppose the TV repairman  may have cleaned up the fluid that had leaked out. After all, that is common sense.  My board did  not smell afterwards and there was no visual indicators that anything was amiss.  The repairman  said that he had some slight difficulty doing the job because of the protective coating on the  board.  Looking at my ECU, I did not see any spots on it where the capacitor fluid had eaten away  the coating.  I am only speak from my experience.
 
It took the TV repairman that replace my caps 15 minutes to do it.  My car runs fine and I have  had no problems with it.  If you want to pay for a 2 hour job then that is your preference.  I  just think that you will be wasting your money since every other post I have seen on the subject  says that it is basically a $25 job for a professional TV technician.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:04:23 -0500
From: Eric <griz600cc@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Non-Turbo (DOHC)
 
I am looking to replace my engine for a 93 Stealth ES (DOHC). I have the engine lift, the garage  and the time to do it. I am looking to find a good price and other parts I will need to purchase.  I was looking through FAQs and your list of vendors. Can anyone recommend a site to me or a  preferred site?
 
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