Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Monday, November 4 2002   Volume 01 : Number 989
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:43:31 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
We still have the driver in the equation --- I'll never be as fast [ daring ] as I was when I was  22. We need to hire a driver and have him test a bunch if different configurations. Schumacher  should have some time off in the next few months, maybe we could all chip in all the money we own  and get him over here for a day.
 
        Jim Berry
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
 
 Guess we'll never know until we get a whole bunch of 3000GTs on the same track at the same time  and compare lap times v hardware.
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:53:04 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dead engine, it jumped out of timing !!!!
 
Get the CD manual for our cars. That is the #1 thing. You can find a link to it on  www.stealth316.com Once you have it, look in there how to check the timing belt. There are marks  on your valve covers that need to line up with the marks on the cams and your crank. By looking at  what lines up you can tell what got damaged. Timing belts can just skip and not tare. That is  usually the problem with the tensioner.
 
So figure out if you have a timing problem. If you do, figure out how bad it is, then go from  there.
 
Only source for valves I know of is dealer but if you need to do pistons too (and you might as  well if you are down there) get weisco, I know some people whom use em and they are sweet. Weisco  pistons are also designed so that if the timing belt ever snaps or skips again, it wont hurt  anything. They have more clearance for the valves. If you want the Weisco pistons, talk to me, I  can get em.
 
Far as doing the work yourself, that I would not advice. I always advocate for doing your own  work, but in this case you will have to buy a ton of special tools to seed the rings on the  pistons, to put in the valves and a shop has to do valve seating anyway... You can cut down on the  labor costs by  pulling the engine yourself and taking off the heads. You will save a ton that way  because its time consuming and also once you pull the heads a shop cant feed you as much BS.
 
hope that helps.
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:06:14 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
At 05:43 PM 11/3/02 -0800, fastmax wrote:
>We still have the driver in the equation --- I'll never be as fast
> [ daring ] as I was >when I was 22.
 
I agree.
I am a whole lot faster on pavement than I ever was, mostly thanks to instruction. It helps that a  VR4 is a better car than most of what's on the track, but it's the seat time and instruction that  makes me faster.
 
Alas, I am a whole lot slower on gravel than I was at 27. Even with an AWD turbo Talon, I can't  drive as fast as I did with a stock engine 72 Datsun 510 back in the 1970s. Somehow, I don't think  seat time will help here. I just can't bring myself to throw it sideways on gravel at 80-100 mph  like I did 30 years ago.
 
Therefore, I'm am going to stick with the ROWG's sport of open tracking. I'm as fast as the other  ROWGs. I don't know what I'm going to do when the young tigers come out.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:48:34 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: RE: Fw: Team3S: Rear turbo!!
 
>One of the bolts on the heatshield took me 1.5 hours to remove. After I
>got it lose with a wrench I discovered that there was not enough angle
>of movement for me to loosen it with the wrench. I ended up using the
>tips of my fingernails on two fingers to turn the damn thing about 1/12
>turn at a time.
 
This is where the Craftsman wrench would have helped.
 
>I guess here is what I am getting at... What would be so wrong if I
>left those damn heat shields off? There is nothing that I see that's
>super important above them... The hood has a nice metal plate under it
>for heat protection and I hope to one day get some scoops in the hood
>for cooling anyway.
 
Even if nothing melts or burns down from the heat, you will be heating the
underhood way too much. You will be robbing your engine of power, if that
is important to you. Even with the heat shields and all, I still managed to
melt the plastic electric insulation of my aftermarket alarm system, which
was attached to the upper part of the firewall.
 
>Anyhow, I got 2 bolts left (I think) holding the turbo to the header. I
>got the O2 housing and rear pre-cat lose but it does not want to come
>out. Left it in there till tomorrow, not sure if it pulls out the top
>or slides out the bottom... Gonna have to mess with it tomorrow. Cant
>wait to rip the damn thing out...
 
Hehe... I hope you had a fun day today. The instructions say to slide the
pre-cat to the side and drop it down to remove the turbo. That assumes that
you do not need to take the pre-cat off the car to swap the rear turbo. But
I managed on my car to twist and turn it and remove it through the bottom.
CAUTION: I am not recommending it since the clearances are so tight that
you may not be able to install it back if you do not install it EXACTLY the
way you removed it. The only reason why you may want to take it off the car
is to gut it without having to be under the car during the process, or to
replace it with an aftermarket pre-cat eliminator. Good luck!
 
Philip
 
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:57:35 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: overheating?
 
I had exactly that and I posted about this phenomenon some time in July. I
think it is normal. But I replaced my coolant with Evans NPG+ and a
low-pressure coolant cap and have not had a problem ever since.
 
Philip
 
At 12:22 11/3/2002, Bill vp wrote:
>Well, according to the temp. gauge on the car ('91 r/t tt), it's not
>overheating at all ... it never goes over 40% (up, from the bottom) or
>so. However, after driving it, I can hear a gurgling noise coming from
>the coolant cap (not the overflow obviously) ... if I take off the
>coolant cap, it sprays out some over cycles.  I mean some coolant will
>come out, then there'll be a pause, then I guess the coolant comes back
>by again, and some more comes out, etc.  Of course initially more comes
>out, then less and less each time.  If the coolant is this hot,
>wouldn't the gauge go up?
>
>Like I wrote, I can hear it when I get out of the car, so the gurgling
>is pretty loud.  I don't have a fmic or anything that would decrease
>stock cooling abilities.  I recently flushed the coolant and refilled
>it, and that did not help any.  It does this even if I've not driven it
>hard the last 5 miles or so (I usually notice it when coming home off
>the highway).
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:02:03 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
 
> At 05:43 PM 11/3/02 -0800, fastmax wrote:
> We still have the driver in the equation --- I'll never be as fast
> [ daring ] as I was >when I was 22.
>
> I agree.
> I am a whole lot faster on pavement than I ever was, mostly thanks to
> instruction. It helps that a VR4 is a >better car than most
> of what's on the track, but it's the seat time and instruction that
> makes me faster.
 
> Therefore, I'm am going to stick with the ROWG's sport of open
> tracking. I'm as fast as the other ROWGs. > I don't know what I'm
> going to do when the young tigers come out.
 
Hell, that's easy --- claim engine trouble or tell them a boost controller line came off like I  did. In your case overheating is always a good ploy. Even at the professional levels the drivers  always have a good excuse --- Hmmm, you and I are good with words maybe a web site ---  Excuses.com.  We could make a buck or two out of it.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:50:43 -0800
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: overheating?
 
What you are describing is within the range or normal operation for your coolant system.  When the  system gets to operating temperature around 200 deg F, it is under pressure.  The pressure can  build up past 15 psi.  At 15 psi the radiator cap's valve opens and allows some of the pressure to  release into the overflow tank.  If you open the radiator cap when the engine is at operating  temperature, there will be pressure in the cooling system and it will spray coolant out.  That is  why there is a warning on the radiator cap that says not to do that!  When you shut off the engine  and the coolant cools down, pressure is reduced.  This creates a vacuum and that pulls coolant  from the overflow tank back into the engine.  That is why there is a warning light on our cars  that tells you when the overflow tank is low.  If the tank goes empty, then air is pulled into the  cooling system, which degrades the capacity and can do very bad things to your cooling system.  The  gurgling sound is the coolant moving either to or from the overflow tank.
 
There is more information at this link: http://www.howstuffworks.com/cooling-system.htm
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 23:36:53 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
Your absolutely right about the ride.  Unforgiving is the word.
 However, I did dial down to the lowest dampening setting for the street
all around with out the bouncing you mention.  What height did you set
the fronts and rears?  Originally I had set them 3/4" front 1" rear.
 Moved up to 1" front and 1 3/8 rear.  Ride improved.  Tein suggests
much higher.  Ride would probably improve even more. 
 
You didn't change anything else ......... wheels/tires, alignment
settings, engine ......... and your times dropped by 4 seconds.  Very
interesting.   I know the handling improved tremendously with mine but
can't attribute that just to the Teins ...... I did lowering, sway bars,
wheels and tires at the same time.  Dramatic improvement, but I'm sure
each had something to do with it.  It's stick is almost scary now.
 
Dennis -==- Philly
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:59:46 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: wide band O2
 
I broke down and got in on the FJO wideband O2 group buy and being financially challenged can only  afford one --- the question is of course where to mount the sensor. I would assume welding in two  bungs, one in each bank would be proper, that way I can move it from bank to bank, however, what  would it's preferred semi-permanent location.
 
        Jim Berry
 
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 23:07:09 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Cracked Wheel
 
From: "Danno" <palermod@pilot.msu.edu>
> Looking for a little advice.   Just switched over to my winter wheels (old
set of stock chromies) only to find a pretty significant air leak in the front left tire.  Took it  to Discount Tire only to have them tell me the wheel was cracked on the inside bead.  When I got  there to look at it, sure enough there was a small crack, starting at the inside edge of the rim  and extending down the bead about 2-3 cm in length.  At most the crack is 0.5 mm at its widest,  but clearly enough to prevent the tire from sealing.
> Here's the question:  is this rim trash, or can it be brazed or welded
> and reused for normal daily driving?
> What say ye, oh wise cognizant?
> Thanks!
> - Dan
> '95 VR4
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In all likelihood, the wheel *is* repairable.  You'd be amazed what a professional wheel-repair  shop can do with a wheel that has much more damage than a simple crack...  (Trust someone who has  trashed $2k+ worth of wheels at the track in the last 2 years alone).  You can use the Team3S  Search Page to read about our experiences with repairing wheels, but you'll probably do just as  well by doing a Google search and entering "wheel +repair"; then find the repair outfits in your  area.  For example, if you're in New England, a recommended shop is www.precisionwheelservice.com.   Precision will weld the wheels and bring them back to spec, refinished, and in perfect round for  about $100.  Many other shops are out there, and most are in the $100-$150 (per
wheel) range.  They charge $15-$25 extra if they have to remove your tires first.  Turnaround time  is usually 48 hours or less, especially locally.
Suggestion: Find a shop in your area to bring in your (unmounted) wheel(s)...
 
That's the view from one 'cogniscento'...  ;-)
 
Best,
Forrest
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:59:13 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: wideband O2 sensor
 
Jim:
I am replacing my stock front O2 sensor with the FJO, and that is what will go to the FJO sensor  display and to the AEM computer I will install.  If using the stock computer/piggyback computers  still, I personally would first just use the stock front O2 sensor bung for the FJO sensor; and  let the stock computer go without the front sensor.  You will get a "check engine" light, but the  car runs fine...computer simply relies on the rear sensor for its tuning/mixture dithering dance.   My front sensor isn't working NOW with stock computer because the connector fell onto piping and  melted so is giving me the check engine light.  However, the idle is also giving some  "rev-rev-rev" activity...so computer may be trying to clear out the front sensor. I don't know  whether there is a close enough correlation between the output of stock sensor voltage and the FJO  to say whether you could send its output to both the gauge and the computer; sure could try it  though, and I suspect the FJO readout and the computer's impedance (?) is high enough that hooking  them both up won't appreciably change the readings. Many of us have de facto decided it IS ok to  hook up a gauge along with the computer, since that is exactly what an ARCII AF gauge, or  Jumptronix gauge do already... You can use the stock bungs front and rear to get bank-to-bank  comparisons. Will be interesting to see what the differences really might BE. Call  Horsepowerfreaks and see what they say about it. Jack T.
 
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net> [snips]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002
> I got FJO wideband O2 sensor, and can only afford one.  Question is
> where to mount sensor. I assume welding in two bungs, one in each bank
> would be proper, so I can move it from bank to bank. What would its
> preferred semi-permanent location be?
>         Jim Berry
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:10:18 -0600
From: "xwing" <xwing@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
I hear you...in my 94 I'm keeping my stock adjustable shocks, and don't plan on getting  aftermarket shocks because I like the in-cockpit adjustability too much on Wisconsin's sometimes  bumpy/crappy roads.  I have Ground Control (550 front/375 rear) springs and the ride is pretty  much stiffer than stock but not so stiff that with stock dampers springs go  "BOUNCY-Bouncy-bouncy". I wish somebody could find a place to take our STOCK ADJUSTABLE shocks,  open them up and notch the valving one or 2 steps firmer...ideally for me, keep soft where it is  but increase medium and high proportionately moderately to alot more. JT
 
From: "Roger Ludwig" <yiotta@yahoo.com>
> Why can't we have it all?
> If only we could find a system that at the flip of a
> switch gives us a comfy cruiser ride and at another
> flip gives us the track hound.... I want both!!
> Roger L  F15DOC
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:35:11 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 94 octane
 
Well here in the Northeast (CT, MA, NH, VT,)  Sunoco 94 is relatively prevalent....  I guess maybe  their is bonus to freezing my arse off for 4.5 months a year.....
 
Russ F
CT
93 VR4 (still in the O.R.)
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Pedenko [mailto:alex@kolosy.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: Team3S: 94 octane
 
Since this is the first such place I saw, I'll assume it's not too
frequent: For those of you in the east lansing/lansing (mi) area, there's a Sunoco that sells 94  octane gas (intersection of jolly and Okemos rds)
 
Alex.
 
A well fed '95 VR4
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:43:43 -0500
From: "Furman, Russell" <RFurman2@MassMutual.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Dead engine, it jumped out of timing !!!!
 
I have to whole heartedly agree here, A friend and I tore the engine, tranny, and transfer case  out of my car in a weekend.  Of course buy stock in ZIPLOC bags, masking tape, and permanent  markers.  You really have no idea how many nuts, bolts, etc, there really are until you start  disassembling things.
 
Also it helps to take pictures (I went through more Polaroid film rolls than I can count, never  mind all the pics that are on my buddies digi cam) so that way you can see how things used to  look.
 
As far as doing the work yourself, that I would not advice. I always advocate for doing your own  work, but in this case you will have to buy a ton of special tools to seed the rings on the  pistons, to put in the valves and a shop has to do valve seating anyway... You can cut down on the  labor costs by  pulling the engine yourself and taking off the heads. You will save a ton that way  because its time consuming and also once you pull the heads a shop cant feed you as much BS.
 
hope that helps.
 
Tyson
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:47:53 -0500
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: Team3S: CAPS Question
 
I have a 91 Stealth TT.  I'm trying to use the CAPS program for part numbers for various items.  I  note that some give two part numbers, and specify "From 9004.1 to 9205.3" for one and "9206.1 to  9405.3" for others.  I suspect those are date codes.  But what to the number stand for?  Also, for  the same part, Partznet.com only returns one part number.  For example, I thought I had the plug  wires down to MD193980, but then came up with a second part number using CAPS at MD156560.  What  change could possibly have been made to plug wires?  I get two different part numbers for the  radiator hoses and the throttle-body gasket as well.  Are the parts interchangeable? 
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:17:49 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Odd hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
 
along the same vein - it may be corroded battery cables - they corrode on the inside on both ends.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Omar Malik [mailto:ojm@iname.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Odd hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
 
Sounds a lot like a loose battery connection. Check the terminals and clean off any corrosion on  the terminals and battery lugs with a battery brush.
 
Omar
92 r/t
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:26:52 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tein Report
 
It is incredibly difficult to sort out whether improvements in lap times result from driver  performance or equipment modifications.
 
I'll never be as fast as I was when I was 22, and I won't be off the pavement as much either.  (grin)
 
Chuck Willis
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:31:28 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: What's "normal" for oil pressure?
 
"docradley" and "ohiospyderman" post some of their measurements on 3si:
 
http://www.3si.org/portal/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63559
 
Summary:
~100 psi at cold start
 ~20 psi at warm idle
 ~65 psi at warm high RPM
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:41 PM
Subject: Team3S: What's "normal" for oil pressure?
 
Anyone know for a VR-4?  Or just for 4-stroke, internal combustion, wet-sump, engines in general?
 
In case anyone is interested, here's what I see in my VR-4 with my newly-installed real (as  opposed to the stock POS) oil pressure gauge:
 
Idle, Immediately after Startup: 55psi
3000RPM unloaded, Cold Engine: 140+psi (pegged)
2000-4000RPM loaded, Hot Engine: 55-85psi
Idle, Hot Engine: 20-23psi (seems low)
 
- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with Mobil1 5w30 in 50F weather
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:38:48 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS Question
 
The numbers are indeed dates that corresponds to a build date --- 9004.1 is week 1 April 1990. The  only confusion on the last digit is the fact they never use a 4 for the forth week only 1,2,3  maybe they don't allow design changes at the end of month.
 
Many times in the CAPS you'll find multiple part numbers for the
same year --- usually a new number supercedes the old number. In the case of plug wires, you're  right, there is no difference between the model years but even minor configuration changes require  new part numbers --- manufacturing hates new part numbers, it screws up all levels of drawings.
 
        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:47 AM
Subject: Team3S: CAPS Question
 
> I have a 91 Stealth TT.  I'm trying to use the CAPS program for part
> numbers for various items.  I note that some give two part numbers,
> and specify "From 9004.1 to 9205.3" for one and "9206.1 to 9405.3" for
> others.  I suspect those are date codes.  But what to the number stand
> for?  Also, for the same part, Partznet.com only returns one part
> number.  For example, I thought I had the plug wires down to MD193980,
> but then came up with a second part number using CAPS at MD156560. 
> What change could possibly have been made to plug wires?  I get two
> different part numbers for the radiator hoses and the throttle-body
> gasket as well.  Are the parts interchangeable?
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:58:52 -0000
From: "Jeff Lucius" <jlucius@stealth316.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS Question
 
>> ... what to the number stand for?
Example 9206.1 is a "manufactured" date (I don't know if this a start or
completion date).
92 = year, 1992
06 = month, June
1 = the first third of the month, about 10 days (who knows why?) 2 = 2nd third of the month 3 =  last third of the month
 
Model year production starts with cars having a date of 6.1 of the previous
year. So 1993 model year cars started with dates of 9206.1. 1994 cars start
with dates of 9306.1. You get the idea.
 
CAPS shows all (or nearly all) parts for our cars over the years. Many parts
(or part numbers) have been be superceded or replaced (noted by "Repl P/No" in
CAPS). These should be direct replacements. There may or may not have been any
recognizable change in the part itself. Note that some parts really are
different between years and cannot be interchanged. Dealers and non-OEM stores
usually just mention the currently-available part number (whether it is
correct for your particular year and model or not - always double check).
 
Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/
 
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
To: "Team3S (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 AM
Subject: Team3S: CAPS Question
 
I have a 91 Stealth TT.  I'm trying to use the CAPS program for part numbers for various items.  I  note that some give two part numbers, and specify "From 9004.1 to 9205.3" for one and "9206.1 to  9405.3" for others.  I suspect those are date codes.  But what to the number stand for?  Also, for  the same part, Partznet.com only returns one part number.  For example, I thought I had the plug  wires down to MD193980, but then came up with a second part number using CAPS at MD156560.  What  change could possibly have been made to plug wires?  I get two different part numbers for the  radiator hoses and the throttle-body gasket as well.  Are the parts interchangeable? 
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:42:56 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: wideband O2 sensor
 
If you're thinking about hooking up the output of the FJO into the stock computer, don't.  The  output voltages of the WB02 units aren't even in the same ballpark as the stock O2 sensors.  The  readings are over a range of 3v, and the voltage to mixture orientation is opposite.  That is,  stock O2 read high voltages when rich, but WB reads low voltages when rich.
 
- - Brian
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:53:18 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Help identify a part.
 
> Car: '92 VR4 Cali (same as the 2nd gen EGR setup)
>
> Location:
> Right next to the coolant reservoir. On the front driver side of the
> reservoir. NOT the big canister under it! Its a small part, circular
> in shape, little bigger than a golf ball. Has 2 small vacuum lines
> coming out of the top and 2 larger
> (air?) lines one coming out the side, another out
> the bottom.
 
That's your [fuel vapor] evaporative purge valve.  You can see where all the lines in section 13A  of your FSM.  It is plumbed into some of the same lines that feed the EGR valve/solenoid, but is  not directly related to EGR.
 
- --Erik
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:55:20 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: wide band O2
 
> the question  is of course where to mount the sensor.
> I would assume welding in two bungs, one in each bank
> would be proper, that way I can move it from bank to
> bank, however, what would it's preferred semi-permanent
> location.
 
I have both of my aftermarket O2 sensors installed in my downpipe right now. I have a federal spec  car (2 oxygen sensors instead of 4), so I just put my aftermarket sensors where the additional 2  sensors go in the Cali-spec cars
- - immediately after each precat.  You can see pictures of the bungs (no sensors in these pics)  here: http://www.team3s.com/~egross/3000GT/DPipeEng/page1.html
 
Of course, I think there's something wrong with my precats because there's no appreciable  difference in A/F readings between the stock sensors before the precats and my aftermarket ones  after the precats ;-)  If your precats aren't broken, then you probably can't mount your WB sensor  after the precats.
 
I believe Brian Geddes is planning to try putting the WB sensor immediately after the "Y" in the  downpipe to read both banks simultaneously.  With that uber-heater circuit on the WB sensor, the  lower EGTs back there might not be an issue.
 
- --Erik
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:38:23 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
With respect to driver improvements, the best comparison we can make is the same driver on the  same track in the same season, as was the case for me.  I will admit that I had two or three track  events between comparisons. Otherwise, all else remained the same including the BFG GForce KD's  that were starting to chunk after a hot weekend at Gingerman.  It stands to note that I dropped  the car approx. 1 1/2 inches all around and re-aligned from 1 1/2 front, 1 degree rear to 2+  degrees front, 2 degrees rear neg. camber. Additionally, it's possible that the state of my struts  was worse than I realized.  After removing, I noticed that one of the fronts had disgorged an  ounce or two of oil onto the garage floor.  What I'm sure of is the profound feeling of control,  especially in right-left transitions that the car has gained.  In one particular right to  off-camber left, I'm not exaggerating when I say the car would have instantly spun at the speed I  was running on the second day.  As far as the young tigers go, my own experience has been the  seasoned veterans in the right car are almost always faster.
 
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:06:22 EST
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Borla price
 
Any1 know of someplace cheaper then dynamic racings 900 dollar borla exhaust
list price for an N/A?
 
- -mike
97 SL
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:09:20 -0500
From: Vinny <vinman3@comcast.net>
Subject: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
Hey Guys,
    I just my 93 VR4 on Saturday.  Can someone explain a few items for me?
 
When I push the Active exhaust button it will only go into TOUR mode.  When I try to press it  downward into the SPORT mode it doesn't go.  Should it? When i put in in tour mode I hear a little  motor run for a few seconds but I can't really tell any difference in exhaust note.
 
Does my stock (Mitsu) radio with 6 CD changer in trunk play burned CD's from my PC?
 
Do we have to use premium fuel?
 
Thanks
Vinny
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:19:16 -0700
From: "Moe Prasad" <mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
Congratulations on the purchase.
 
The active exhaust has a habit of getting stuck due to rust and then the cable breaks that opens  and closes the little door.
 
Most of us spend $500.00 or so and get an after market one.
 
Don't know about the CD player
 
You need Premium fuel.  Do not use low grade fuel.
 
Rgds
Moe
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:59:13 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
Burned cds work just fine...
 
Alex
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:11:53 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
> As far as the young tigers go, my own experience has been
>the seasoned veterans in the right car are almost always faster.
>
>DaveT/92TT
 
There's a certain amount of truth there. Way back when, I could not believe that a young punk kid  in a stock Dodge Colt was several seconds faster than me on pro rally stages. This kid had no  experience to speak of, but there he was, beating old (27) experienced me in my prepared car.  Turns out he was flying blind crests. If you fly a blind crest instead of tapping the brakes at  the crest to bring the lights down so you can see which way the road goes, you pick up 1 or 2  seconds per crest, or a huge amount on a single stage. Alas, he flew one crest too many, the road  turned under him, and that was the end of his rally career.
 
Young drivers have faster reflexes and more guts, but us old shits have flown our blind crests and  learned our lessons.
 
Rich/slow old poop.
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:22:44 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
>When I push the Active exhaust button it will only go into TOUR mode. 
>When I try to press it downward into the SPORT mode it doesn't go. 
>Should it? When i put in in tour mode I hear a little motor run for a
>few seconds but I can't really tell any difference in exhaust note.
 
Probably stuck. Strangely enough, you get more flow in Tour mode, because it's only coming out one  side. If you hit Sport mode, the little motor puts a baffle in the way and diverts some exhaust to  the right side. Sport, apparently, means Ricer not Racer. Go to http://www.vr4stealth.com/ then  repair section, then undercarriage, then active exhaust, for instructions on how to fix it.
 
Rich/slow old poop>
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:45:15 -0500
From: "Philip V. Glazatov" <gphilip@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
At 21:11 11/4/2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
>Turns out he was flying blind crests. If you fly a blind crest instead of
>tapping the brakes at the crest to bring the lights down so you can see
>which way the road goes, you pick up 1 or 2 seconds per crest, or a huge
>amount on a single stage. Alas, he flew one crest too many, the road
>turned under him, and that was the end of his rally career.
 
What is "flying blind crests"? Is it just as effective as running red lights?
 
Philip
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:31:53 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
Actually, quite the opposite.. take a look at the Stealth Tech manual in the active exhaust on  stealth316.com and you will see that tour mode is much more restrictive then sport. In tour mode  the plate closes and sends all gases through an almost 1 1/2 inch pipe into a baffled section of  the muffler. Sport mode, the plate opens, and gases pass through 2 straight pipes going through  the muffler with no baffles blocking it.
 
Omar
92 r/t
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:53:55 -0500
From: Vinny <vinman3@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
Thanks for the info, but i think my problem is that I can't put the switch in SPORT mode.  Should  I  see a light?  I see a light for the sport mode suspension but not exhaust.
 
Any help?
Thanks
Vinny
 
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:59:40 -0600
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tein Report
 
>What is "flying blind crests"? Is it just as effective as running red
>lights?
>
>Philip
 
Yes. Same principle.
 
On a pro rally, you race down roads through the forest you've never seen before. Nowadays the  candy a** drivers have pace notes that describe the road (flat left over crest, K right, stuff  like that). In the old days, we drove the road blind. Pace notes were forbidden, as was  practicing.
 
So here you are, running 80 mph down a gravel road in the forest at night. Up looms a blind crest  in the road. Your decision: which way does the road go over the crest? Left, right, or straight?
 
If you are brave and stupid, you don't lift: You "fly" the crest at 80 mph, getting airborne for a  few seconds, and trusting that the road goes straight. If you are lucky, it does go straight. Most  do.
 
If you are cautious, you lift just before the crest and tap the brakes to bring the front end down  as you fly over. This brings the lights down, so you can see which way the road goes. You don't  want to get much air over the crest, because you can't turn in the air.
 
Not lifting gains you several seconds on each crest -- the difference in going flat at 80 v  slowing to 65 or so and then catching back up to 80 in a 90 hp Datsun 510. Multiply that by a  dozen or more blind crests, and you can pick up 30 seconds in a stage by not lifting.
 
Really good rally drivers learn to "read the road." As you approach the crest, you look beyond. If  your lights pick out trees over the crest, the road probably turns one way or another. If so, you  go over the crest with the car slightly sideways, so you can turn left or right easily.
 
If you don't see trees, look for telephone or power lines. If you can see the power lines going  straight, the road probably goes straight. Maybe. The last time I flew a blind crest was in the  strip mines of southern Ohio. I didn't see trees and I read the power lines going straight. They  did, too. Straight across the strip mine.  Alas, the road turned, and we plunged down an  embankment. They used to call that turn "Merritt's Gulch."
 
In Sweden, on the Thousand Lakes rally, there is a similar crest. From the driver's POV, it looks  straight. In the daytime, you can see the road on the other side of the crest going straight.  Alas, over the crest the road turns sharp right to go around a pond, and it resumes on the other  side. Thousands of Swedes gather there in hopes that some driver will fly the crest at 100mph+ and  land in the pond. At least one does on every rally. But what the spectators are really wanting is  for the driver to hit the brakes whilst flying through the air. When that happens, the front  wheels stop dead, and the car pivots around the wheels, essentially doing a front flip (see above,  tapping the brakes at the crest. It has something to do with conservation of angular momentum).
 
That's another lesson us old timers learn very quickly: if you see spectators in the forest at  3:00 am in Hiawatha National Forest in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in November, there is  something VERY BAD lurking there: a vicious turn, a tree stump, a pond, a big hole, or something  evil that will jump out of the forest and bite your car. Smart people slow down. Other people  (ahem) get motivated by the spectators and go faster.
 
Once, down in Alabama on the Rallye du Noir...nah, some other time, over a brew. You wouldn't  believe me anyway. I did win "Fastest Through the Forest" on that rally, though. And it involved  flying a blind crest.
 
*sigh* Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:06:48 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: update on my 60k; mostly success
 
So I finally got the time to do it today. I ended up using the pocket ruler with scale that I  bought from Sears to measure rod protrusion. The mini-caliper that I bought started at 5mm inside  diameter so it wouldn't do me any good. The ruler wasn't the best way. I'd definitely recommend  the digital caliper that was discussed earlier. However, having the ruler did help significantly.  The slide on the ruler was detachable and had a length of exactly 5mm. The rod protrusion spec is  3.8 to 4.5mm. So what I did was... I made sure the protrusion was smaller than the detachable  slide and larger than 3mm. Then I tried to put the pin back in. The pin didn't go in *easily*, but  I sensed that if I pushed harder, I would be able to get it mostly in. In my book, that means  success. The protrusion may have been slightly under spec (too short), but of course like  mentioned before in the thread, the belt will stretch, so I'm not really that concerned.
 
Now, with the protrusion out of the way, I faced another problem (should've checked this before).  Although all of the cams were on perfect timing, the crank was between 3/4 (three quarters) tooth  and 1 tooth retarded. I followed the instructions in the shop manual (including retarding of the  crank by 1 tooth) and it still ended up off. I know why--please msg me off the list if you're  curious since it's a long explanation. Oh, great. Time to re-do everything. And re-do it I did. I  moved the timing where it should be, and now the timing is between TDC and 1/4 (one quarter) tooth  advanced on the crank. I'd definitely take the new case any day since I'm closer now. On this  note, it appears that timing will always slightly off in 3S cars. Now I don't think 1/4 tooth is  enough to mean anything...not enough to even qualify as "slightly off", but who knows. There ain't  any way to fix it either, so I'll live with it. Unless of course any of you think I should be  worried, please let me know.
 
and the verdict...
 
I finally felt that I could put the lower timing cover back on. It was getting dark so I had to  stop after that.
 
Admins: let me know how I can be of assistance with the "Q&A" section.
 
Thanks a lot for everything all,
 
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
...slowly finding its way back together :)
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:23:36 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: Team3S: possible electrical damage?
 
After I was done working today, I had to jump start a car. Since the dead car was very close to  turning over, I didn't need the live car (stealth) to be running in order to start the dead car  (my van). When I jump started the van, the stealth had its negative battery terminal disconnected.  After I was done, I unhooked the cables from the van. But on the way back to the stealth I tripped  and the jumper cables shorted for about 2 whole seconds. It was wild... the cables, once shorted,  STUCK together and I had to pull very hard to get them off. Anyway, is there a chance that I  caused any damage to the stealth's electrical system? Going over the details again, the stealth's  battery shorted when the negative terminal was disconnected, but the positive terminal was still  connected when it happened.
 
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
hope i didn't fry anything
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 20:52:16 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: wideband O2 sensor
 
Thanks all for the suggestions --- for my first attempt I'll go with the stock location since I  still have the stock downpipe with gutted precats. I plan on trying to
get the output of the wideband O2 displayed as an input on the TMO data logger. It will only  display as a voltage but that's OK for now. I'll post the procedure if I get it to work as  described.
 
Andrew Spargo currently of the UAE has no O2 sensors or cats in his UAE spec car which runs on  leaded gas  --- any ideas as to how that feat is accomplished.
Without the closed loop operation available does the ECU just use a default map ??? Does it use  that map forever of does it need a corrected signal eventually to get it to run properly.
 
        Jim Berry  =======================================================
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:07:02 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Team3S: rod oil squirters
 
Jack   [or anybody with additional information ]
 
In a thread about forged rods on the 3SI.org board you made the
following statement.
 
"They are very stout rods stock, and since most/all aftermarket rods
lose the oil squirter on the rod beam aimed at the bottom of the piston,
there is actually an advantage --- "
 
When I was looking at upgrading my rods [ I went with Pauter ] I looked at the rod squirter and it  seems it's pointed at the cylinder wall rather than the piston in addition I could not find any  information on it. The regular
piston squirters in the block are described in the TIM but nothing is said
about the rod squirter. Do you have any information on the rod squirter ???
 
            Jim Berry
 
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Date: Tue,  5 Nov 2002 00:17:51 -0500
From: Michael Tanenbaum <gtg509d@mail.gatech.edu>
Subject: Team3S: ECU advice (more specific)
 
Hi Everyone,
 
Thank you so much to everyone who has helped me so far with my car.  Here's the
deal - I had my car retrieved from Mitsu (who wanted to charge $1400 to
refurbish my ECU and totally readjust the timing belt-everything but replace
the actual belt) and I removed the ECU to find, low and behold, a smelly
circuit board with a leaky capacitor.  In retrospect I noticed a smell a few
days before my car stopped but did not realize it was the ECU.  The leaky
capacitor is the tallest one - the 47uF one.  It also leaked onto a really
small capacitor just adjacent to it (between the 47uF and the plug
connections).  How bad does the damage sound?
 
The technomotive website (suggested yesterday) referenced a place in Tampa
(foreignecurepair.com)that can refurbish an ECU for $295 or sell a refurbished
one for $375.  Does it sound like my ECU is beyond local repair by an
electrician (i.e. - a TV repair shop) or should I use their service?  If a TV
repair place is capable, should they have the capacitors I need on hand or do I
need to order them and bring them with me?
 
Thank you so much.
 
Michael (Hopeful in Atlanta)
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:58 -0700
From: "Moe Prasad" <mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Active exhaust and Radio question from newbie
 
Mine only lit up in the tour mode.  I don't remember if the sport mode light burns out or if it is  just not there.  If you hear the little motor, then the switch is working fine. Regarding the  suspension, your observation is also correct.
 
Rgds
Moe
 
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:04:15 -0800
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU advice (more specific)
 
I'd try replacing the capacitors first --- it's cheap, a few bucks for capacitors and another $30  or so for labor. Damage can be done to the etched circuits on the board --- they get corroded but  they can be repaired also.
 
Why did the dealer think the timing belt needed adjusting.
 
        Jim Berry =================================================
 
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:22:46 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: ECU advice (more specific)
 
Dude, the TV repair shop method will cost you $20 at the most. Give it a shot. I would give it a  50-50% of working. If not, you are out $20, better than $1400 or even $375.
 
Tyson
 
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