Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Sunday, November 3
2002 Volume 01 : Number 988
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:21:08 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <
dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Official KYB response II
Why would you put Eibachs on Teins? Teins already can lower the
car as
much or more than Eibachs.
Dennis -==- Philly
fastmax wrote:
>--- Eibach seems to have everything from 200# to 2000#. Eibach would
>probably fit on the Tein or JIC if necessary.
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:24:15 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <
dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Suspension/Steering Issues
If you've never replaced struts ......... or replaced 50K or more miles
ago, that's probably it. Time to do it and think of upgrading.
Dennis -==- Philly
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:54:26 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <
dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Borla Exhaust drone?
I had placed a post on the board quite a while ago about my experiences
with Borla on two VR4s ....... one with the Stillen dp and the other
with a Stillen then ATR (w/ all cats). Both VR4s with the Borlas
and
Stillens were loud ........ w/ the droning between
2500-3000. This was
not exotic at all, but rather higher
pitched, loud and tiring on long
trips. On the second VR4 (my
current 97) I started with the
Borla/Stillen combo. But the lack of
cats caused a lot of 'hunting' and
of course the CEL to be on all the
time. Same sound as the 94. Well,
this is a daily driver, PA
does have emission testing, I didn't like the
sound, didn't like the way
OBDII was handling things without the cats.
So I decided to bite the
bullet an try an ATR with all the cats in
place (including the high flow cat
for the ATR). What a difference. Of
course, the engine
management is back now. I don't think I gave up that
much in
performance. And I love the sound ......... lower, throatier
.......
closer to the classy sound you'd expect from these great cars.
As I
said in the last post sounds racy not ricey.
Dennis -==- Philly
BTW .......... anyone want to buy a Stillen dp ......... slightly
used?
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:10:59 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <
dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Borla Exhaust drone?
Your points on the Borla are well taken. Interesting comments on
cats,
however. When you say they are a scam, do you mean they are
ineffective
for emissions, heavy, or just rob performance?
Dennis -==- Philly
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:16:25 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <
dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Borla Exhaust drone?
Roger Gerl wrote:
> At 21:57 31.10.2002 -0500, Vinny wrote:
>
>> Hey
Guys,
>> I am interested in a Exhaust upgrade
from stock. I want the
>> Borla but
>> someone said it
was loud.
>> 1) Is it really?
>
> Not really
That depends on whether or not the cats are in place ...........
considerably louder without cats. However, ultimately ........
'loud
is in the ears of the beholder'!!
Try to listen to a set-up your considering ....... before you buy.
Dennis -==- Philly
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:14:43 -0800
From: Michael Pliska <
mjpliska@prodigy.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Front License Plate Bracket
Does anyone have photos of a front license plate bracket for a 1991
VR-4? Or better yet, does anyone have one for sale? I recently moved
back to Oregon, and my VR-4 never had a front plate on it. Looking at the
nose, I don't see any spot to readily mount one.
Please copy my e-mail address (not just the list address) on replies, as I
get the digest version of the mailing list.
Thanks and regards,
Michael Pliska
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:20:39 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: 3S-Racers: Official KYB response II
Lowering has nothing to do with spring choices --- the lowering is done by
changing the height of the spring perches regardless of spring.
There are them of us folk who want handling chrematistics other than what
Tein think we need. When I last checked [ well over a year ago ] Tein only had
limited choices for spring rates while Eibach has an [ almost ] unlimited choice
of rates.
Jim Berry
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:33:15 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Front License Plate Bracket
Have you been stopped for no front plate or are you anticipating being
checked. I live in California where front plates are required and have driven
for 30 years without a plate and never been stopped for it.
CAPS program says ---- MB640887 and MB641001 are required a bracket and a
support at about $13 and $30 from Rockville Mitsu.
Jim Berry
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:35:43 -0600
From: "Vineet Singh \(3S\)" <
stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Cleaning the engine bay?
Simple green made my 92's engine compartment paint look really dull and
started to make some of the aluminum pieces look corroded. I used half and half
in a spray bottle + a tooth brush. I would use a MUCH less concentration next
time. Perhaps 10:1 or higher water/sg would be better, but after that, I never
wanted to try it again on anything but the garage floor. Castrol makes a wheel
cleaner that seems to work really well btw, in a black or purple bottle (purple
one is a little harsher).
Watch out for the plugs & wires, don't get too much... actually, ANY in
the valve covers, as you will have to remove the intake plenum to dry them out
in the rear bank. Watch out for coil packs as well, the MAF, and
turbo's/manifold that are still too hot to touch (you will crack a manifold if
you spray water while it's still hot, been there, done that!).
Other than those parts, it's pretty safe to wash with a power washer.
Visit
www.stealth316.com for more
info on how the AWD system is configured, look for the technical manual
online.
Anyone got a Stealth RT/TT for sale? Wanna trade for a 97 Talon AWD with
23k miles on it? ;)
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:36:53 -0500
From: Dennis Ninneman <
dninneman@comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: 3S-Racers: Official KYB response II
That's great. Didn't realize they offered so many rates. Is
there a
page that they list all the different rates for the 3000GT?
Dennis -==- Philly
fastmax wrote:
>Lowering has nothing to do with spring choices --- the lowering is done
>by changing the height of the spring perches regardless of
spring.
>
>There are them of us folk who want handling chrematistics
other than
>what Tein think we need. When I last checked [ well over a
year ago ]
>Tein only had limited choices for spring rates while Eibach
has an [
>almost ] unlimited choice of rates.
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:45:40 -0800
From: Michael Pliska <
mjpliska@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Front License Plate Bracket
Jim,
Thanks for the info. I was stopped in my Typhoon, but it just
as well could've been the VR-4. Here in Portland, they are cracking down
on front plates, since they are using photo radar. Don't get me on my
soapbox about that one ;-)
I'll call & order the parts on Monday, unless someone has a used set
for cheap.
Thanks and regards,
Michael
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:54:13 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Re: 3S-Racers: Official KYB response II
The springs I'm referring to are generic for the coil-over setups --- the
springs are 2.5" in diameter and come is several different lengths and dozens of
rates. Stock lowering springs are a different animal and are designed for a
specific car and specific amount of drop.
Jim Berry
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:53:35 -0800
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <
riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Front License Plate Bracket
In North Cali, from my experience it depends on your age and the looks of
your car. Everyone that I'm in touch with that's in their late 20s or 30s
doesn't seem to get pulled over for the front license plate issue (it IS the law
though). However, younger people seem to get pulled over a lot. Someone that
I've got to know recently (he's 23) got pulled over 4+ times for this. Each time
they pulled him over, that was the "primary" reason, but they never failed to
ask "where are you headed" and "are you headed to the illegal runs" and "we know
that's where you're going". Pretty dumb, and pretty funny. It's interesting that
the cops have nothing better to do than assume you're going drag racing. And
like I said I think the way you display your car has something to do with it as
well. If you don't have decals, stickers, low-profile tires or a coffee maker
exhaust then they're less likely to pull you over in general.
Riyan
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:24:27 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Borla Exhaust drone?
All of the above.
When I gutted cats on my VR4 I felt bad because they were in perfect
condition. Not clogged, nice and white with open holes etc. Right around the
same time my rear turbo began to fail and leak oil into the intake which
concerned me because I had to do emissions that year. All I did was get my car
nice and hot by running high RPMs the entire way to the emission
station
(8mi) and my car did better with leaky oil and 165k miles than it
ever has in the previous 6 years! Cats are a scam!
They also heavy as sin. Might as well tie a cinder block to your car and
drive around. And yes, they are VERY restrictive.
Tyson
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Ninneman
[mailto:dninneman@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:11
AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Borla Exhaust drone?
Your points on the Borla are well taken. Interesting comments on
cats, however. When you say they are a scam, do you mean they are
ineffective for emissions, heavy, or just rob performance?
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:38:50 -0800
From: "Shawn Keren" <
nouveau3@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Front License Plate Bracket
I just finally put my front plate back on last weekend, had it off most of
the summer. I live in the Portland area and work in Portland, never had a cop
give me a second look.
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:10:34 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Rear turbo!!
OMG! Talk about a pain in the you know where! Doing a turbo swap on my car
and I have just about had it! Is there ANYONE else whom has done this on-car? I
don't want/cant pull the motor, not an option. People tell me its doable but I
have no instructions at all to work off of. The front turbo was pretty easy.
Took about 90 minutes, no sweat. Front turbo (174k on the car) is in perfect
shape. Got to the rear turbo to where I could feel the compression wheel, its
lose. Bearings shot and its the one that has been leaking oil into my intake....
I got to take it out. HELP!! How do I get that thing out?!
Tyson
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:12:46 -0600
From: "Richard Fennell" <
realmstl@charter.net>
Subject: Fw:
Team3S: Rear turbo!!
Tons of great info there.
Rich
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Anyone here on this list, use Royal Purple Motor Oil!!!?
I was just
wondering, and see what yall think about it. My friends dad can
get me 6
quarts whenever i want for 20$. Just seeing if any of yall use it.
And if it
is worth the 20$
BTW- its Full Synthetic
Gareth 92' Blk RT/TT
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:58:02 -0800
From: "dakken" <
dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Cleaning the engine bay?
If you have the money to buy it, get a steam cleaner. You can buy a
small hand held one for small jobs that will work well on your car for $40-$60
or you can buy a high capacity one for big jobs for $200-$400. Steam
cleaning works fast, is good for the environment, leaves no residue and once you
have the steamer you never have to buy chemicals to clean again. They are
also good for other household cleaning jobs like the BBQ grill, carpets and your
bathroom cleanup. You can find several steam cleaners at Amazon.com under
kitchen and housewares. If you do buy one,be sure to buy one that heats
the water, not one that uses hot water.
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:00:21 -0800
From: "dakken" <
dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Front License Plate Bracket
You might want to put your front plate on if there are any red light
cameras in your area. Cops in Sacramento are ticketing people for not
having them now because people are removing them to avoid the red light
cameras.
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
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Looking for a little advise. Just switched over to my winter
wheels
(old set of stock chromies) only to find a pretty significant air
leak
in the front left tire. Took it to Discount Tire only to have
them tell
me the wheel was cracked on the inside bead. When I got
there to look
at it, sure enough there was a small crack, starting at the
inside edge
of the rim and extending down the bead about 2-3 cm in
length. At most
the crack is 0.5 mm at its widest, but clearly enough
to prevent the
tire from sealing.
Here's the question: is this rim trash, or can it be brazed or welded
and reused for normal daily driving?
What say ye, oh wise cognizant?
Thanks!
- - Dan
'95 VR4
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:02:26 -0500
From: Aamer <
aamer@thepentagon.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Odd hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
Hello all:
My car has been driving great for the last few years with very few
problems. But today I came home and noticed something odd. The first odd thing
was that when I took out the keys and opened the door, my headlights didn't
automatically turn off like they normally do -- so I had to turn them off myself
from the controls. After I saw this, I decided to see if the car was acting
weird so I started it. And sure enough, there was something wrong.
I turned
the keys and the car would not turn on (the starter wasn't moving at all ... as
if the battery was dead). I tried turning the key a few more times and finally
the starter kicked in and the car started. But as soon as it started, the RPM's
began to drop and the engine almost died. I pushed on the accelerator to keep
the engine going. At this same time, I noticed that all the interior lights were
flickering on and off. Also, the "beep" sound coming from the car (it was
beeping because I had the door open) was changing frequency very dramatically
and it was almost as if the car didn't have enough electricity to keep
everything going.
I turned the car off and started it again. Once again, the RPM's dropped
and the car almost died, but I didn't have to push on the accelerator because
the engine returned back to a normal idle speed fairly quickly. I turned off the
car to look around it and I started the car yet a third time. This time it had
no problems starting at all.
I'm not sure what's going on because I've never seen this kind of problem
before; but I would really like to take any precautions to fix it before it
turns into something worse. My car has around 75 thousand miles on it and I did
the 60K maintenance on it when it had about 55 thousand miles on it (the spark
plugs and the fuel filter were not changed during the 60K maintenance because I
changed them when the car had about 45 thousand miles on it).
If anyone could give me some advice on what might be going on, I would
appreciate it greatly. Thank you.
Aamer Abbas
1994 3000GT (DOHC/Naturally Aspirated)
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:34:32 -0600
From: AINut <
ainut1@telocity.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Odd hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
Sounds like the battery is about dead. Maybe your alternator or
alternator belt
is gone, too, not charging the battery.
AI Nut
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:23:26 -0500
From: "Omar Malik" <
ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Odd
hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
Sounds a lot like a loose battery connection. Check the terminals and clean
off any corrosion on the terminals and battery lugs with a battery brush.
Omar
92 r/t
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 06:40:16 +0000
From: "gareth hannah" <
alcoholika_02@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: boost controller for sale!!!
greddy profec-b never used or even removed from the box!!! selling it for
325$ let me know if you're interested!!
gareth
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:59:58 -0500
From: Aamer <
aamer@thepentagon.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Odd hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
Omar, I think you were right on your guess. I checked the battery and I
think that there was just not a good connection to the terminal. I don't think
the problem is my battery though because it is fairly new and it is a high
quality dry cell. Hopefully this should be the end to this problem. Actually, my
biggest fear was that the problem would turn out to be our infamous leaky
capacitors on the ECU. But I think the issue is now resolved.
Thanks for your help everyone.
Aamer Abbas
1994 3000GT (DOHC/Naturally Aspirated)
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:27:31 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Fw:
Team3S: Rear turbo!!
Well, I got a lot of stuff off today... Heatshield took a BFH, vice grips,
a giant screwdriver used a crowbar and a lot of verbiage to remove AFTER being
unbolted!! One of the bolts on the heatshield took me 1.5 hours to remove. After
I got it lose with a wrench I discovered that there was not enough angle of
movement for me to loosen it with the wrench. I ended up using the tips of my
fingernails on two fingers to turn the damn thing about 1/12 turn at a
time.
I guess here is what I am getting at... What would be so wrong if I left
those damn heat shields off? There is nothing that I see that's super important
above them... The hood has a nice metal plate under it for heat protection and I
hope to one day get some scoops in the hood for cooling anyway.
Anyhow, I got 2 bolts left (I think) holding the turbo to the header. I got
the O2 housing and rear pre-cat lose but it does not want to come out. Left it
in there till tomorrow, not sure if it pulls out the top or slides out the
bottom... Gonna have to mess with it tomorrow. Cant wait to rip the damn thing
out...
Tyson.
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:35:43 -0800
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Help identify a part.
I have a part on my car that I haven't the slightest idea as to it's
function. I hope someone here can help me figure out what it is and what it
does.
Car: '92 VR4 Cali (same as the 2nd gen EGR setup)
Location:
Right next to the coolant reservoir. On the front driver side
of the reservoir. NOT the big canister under it! Its a small part, circular in
shape, little bigger than a golf ball. Has 2 small vacuum lines coming out of
the top and 2 larger (air?) lines one coming out the side, another out the
bottom.
I traced the vacuum lines, they go through the metal vacuum harness that
connects the front and the rear of the engine. Same harness used by the front
turbo actuator. From there the lines get split a lot. One end I traced to the
EGR valve. Another went to a solenoid I am not familiar with bolted to the
firewall. Another end went to the vacuum line harness attached to the throttle
body. It becomes the black hose with the red line in it. I know that those have
got to be color coded for a reason, but I have no idea what the one with the red
line does...
Anyhow, I would love to know what this part is and what it does. I suspect
that it is part of the EGR system, in which case I would be happy to remove it
and toss it out as my EGR is nicely blocked.
Thanks in advance.
Tyson
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:13:32 -0800
From: "Shawn Keren" <
nouveau3@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Odd hesitation/Lights Flicker -- Need Advice
If you are concerned about the capacitors in your ECU and haven't replaced
them yet, I strongly suggest that you do it soon. You can get replacement
capacitors for less than $5 and it is a very simple job. When I bought my VR4
the previous owner was concerned that there was a big repair bill in his future
and didn't want to deal with it. I personally thought that the clutch was going
out because of the nasty smell in the cabin. When I did a search on 3si.org I
found out about the capacitor problem, bought a set of capacitors from one of
the folks on 3si and replaced them in about an hour (including the time to
remove the ECU). Smell went away and it fixed some things that were an issue
when I bought it.
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:52:10 -0500
From: Aamer <
aamer@thepentagon.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Changing capacitors
I think I may take Shawn's suggestion and change the capacitors. I've never
done this before, so it would be really helpful if someone could link me to a
step-by-step tutorial. I found a link on Jeff Lucius' page (
http://www.tmo.com/howto/ecu1g/caps.htm),
but it says that this is for DSM cars. Am I right in assuming that the exact
same part numbers and procedures can be used in our cars?
Appreciate it.
Aamer Abbas
1994 3000GT (DOHC/Naturally Aspirated)
> If you are concerned about the capacitors in your ECU and haven't
> replaced them yet, I strongly suggest that you do it soon. You can get
> replacement capacitors for less than $5 and it is a very simple job.
> When I bought my VR4 the previous owner was concerned that there was a
> big repair bill in his future and didn't want to deal with it. I
> personally thought that the clutch was going out because of the nasty
> smell in the cabin. When I did a search on 3si.org I found out about
> the capacitor problem, bought a set of capacitors from one of the
> folks on 3si and replaced them in about an hour (including the time to
> remove the ECU). Smell went away and it fixed some things that were an
> issue when I bought it.
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Well, according to the temp. gauge on the car ('91 r/t tt), it's not
overheating at all ... it never goes over 40% (up, from the bottom) or so.
However, after driving it, I can hear a gurgling noise coming from the coolant
cap (not the overflow obviously) ... if I take off the coolant cap, it sprays
out some over cycles. I mean some coolant will come out, then there'll be
a pause, then I guess the coolant comes back by again, and some more comes out,
etc. Of course initially more comes out, then less and less each
time. If the coolant is this hot, wouldn't the gauge go up?
Like I wrote, I can hear it when I get out of the car, so the gurgling is
pretty loud. I don't have a fmic or anything that would decrease stock
cooling abilities. I recently flushed the coolant and refilled it, and
that did not help any. It does this even if I've not driven it hard the
last 5 miles or so (I usually notice it when coming home off the highway).
thanks for any suggestions,
Bill
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:24:14 -0500
From: "Bill vp" <
billvp@highstream.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Changing capacitors
from everything I've seen, leaky capacitors is not an issue on the '94
cars
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I just put some in my 91 TSI AWD with 60k, no complaints, I don't race it
so I cant attest to that. But I keep hearing good things about it, I guess GT
Pro uses it.
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:42:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Saitei Man <
saiteiman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: overheating?
Not sure but try check the pressure cap for wear and
tear.
Jimmy
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:09:29 EST
From:
GoblinyTwin@aol.comSubject: Team3S:
Dead engine, it jumped out of timing !!!!
I took my car to a local "AutoLab" shop and they told me that the engine
jumped out of timing. They said that I will have to replace the valves
that
are bent. They said that the pistons got damaged, maybe.
The cost of
repairs would be around $1500.
I was driving about 80 mph,
turned on the boost controller put it in the 4th
gear and the engine turned
off. It sounds like the timing belt snapped but
it did not. Are
they telling me the truth in the shop?
If it's the timing, I want to fix the
engine myself. What parts do I need,
where do I find them. I
want to use this chance to upgrade the engine, want
to put after market
parts. I have the repair manuals on the CD. Thanks Vedran 94 TT.
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:40:02 -0500
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: Team3S: 94
octane
Since this is the first such place I saw, I'll assume it's not
too
frequent: For those of you in the east lansing/lansing (mi) area, there's
a Sunoco that sells 94 octane gas (intersection of jolly and Okemos rds)
Alex.
A well fed '95 VR4
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:55:58 -0800
From: "fastmax" <
fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Dead engine, it jumped out of timing !!!!
It's not just a matter of timing --- they said the timing belt slipped. the
timing belt controls the operation of and the relationship between the
cams,
crankshaft, pistons etc. Bad things can happen if the belt slips.
You can do the work yourself but you better have some background in engine
repair or someone to help you. From your questions it doesn't
sound like you
have a lot of engine diagnostic experience. It's one thing to rebuild a daily
driver civic but to build a modded 450+ hp engine requires quite a bit of
experience or some help.
Jim Berry
=================================================
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:40:44 -0500
From: "Dave and Becky Trent" <
bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Tein Report
After a couple years of deliberation, it finally took the realization that
my OEM struts were shot before I finally forked over for the Tein set-up. As a
frequent open tracker I was expecting some improvements. The first thing I
noticed (was the dent in my savings) was the unforgiving ride. Turn your
ECS to firm and add another 20% or so. Dialing down the damping rate only
causes the roughly twice the stock rate springs to bounce around until your
underdamped setting finally regains control. Oh well.....Oh ya, the
track. Man oh man what a track hound these things have created. Turn
the damping to full firm (seems to be the best match for the springs), and hang
on. I've often taken pleasure in sliding because our cars are good at it,
but with the Teins it's taken to a new level. I could put my car anywhere
I wanted it, with little fear of loosing control. The way it drifts under
trailing throttle is a Fast and Furious wannabe dream come true. Throttle
steering is almost second nature now. I'm coming off the last corner onto
the front straight so much faster that my top speed went from 120 to 130.
Additionally, my lap times dropped 4 seconds. Where the car would
occasionally bite you if you pushed to ten tenths, now it goes beyond the limit
with a sense of control and predictability I didn't think this car was capable
of. Sorry for the long post, I had to rave. Are you listening
Rich?
Regards,
DaveT/92TT
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger Ludwig <
yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Tein Report
Why can't we have it all?
If only we could find a system that at the
flip of a
switch gives us a comfy cruiser ride and at another
flip gives
us the track hound.... I want both!!
Roger L
F15DOC
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>on. I've often taken pleasure in sliding because our cars are
good at
>it, but with the Teins it's taken to a new level.
<snip> Sorry for
>the long post, I had to rave. Are you
listening Rich?
Dave:
Yes I am listening, but I am not convinced it's the Teins. I had a similar
epiphany in my driving, but it had nothing to do with new hardware. In my case,
it was a couple of instructors who showed me something new.
Maybe it's the Teins, maybe it's because you have become a better driver,
or maybe you convinced yourself that the Teins make it easier to do stuff, so
you push harder. It could be any combination of the three. Guess we'll never
know until we get a whole bunch of 3000GTs on the same track at the same time
and compare lap times v hardware.
I will agree with you on one point: If I had to do it all over again from
scratch, I'd go with Teins instead of Ground Control.
Rich
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