Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Friday, October 25 2002   Volume 01 : Number 981
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:14:25 -0400
From: "Zobel, Kurt" <Kurt.Zobel@ca.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: MAF Sensor Alternatives?
 
And just drop in a GM ECU too, cause ours don't communicate. Maybe drop in one of those funny  blocks with the extra two cylinders while you're at it.
 
rip
 
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From: dakken [mailto:dougusmagnus@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:08 PM
 
> Or you buy a GM MAP sensor ($50) and a GM IAT Sensor ($50), attach
> them appropriately to your plenum, and put yourself the biggest,
> fattest air filter on there with no MAS whatsoever.  You could
> even just have a 3" pipe from each turbo with dual filters if you
> like.
 
> Granted you need the AEM EMS or some other engine management
> system to do this, but it is an alternative and would virtually
> eliminate the restrictions associated with measuring airflow.
 
> I like this idea.  No need to pull all of your air through a
> single sensor so you could route your intake any way you want.
> You could even just strap an air filter directly to each turbo.
 
> I have a GM car that I can check the output from the sensors on.
> The big question then would be,  how to convert the signal from
> the GM sensors to a karman vortex signal.  Does a GM car figure
> out the amount of air coming in by computing manifold pressure
> at current RPM, air temp and barometric  pressure and then
> check a table for a number value?
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:44:10 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: MAF Sensor Alternatives?
 
You wouldn't need a GM ECU or an funny :-) block...
 
All you'd need was a circuit that would take two 0-5V signals (pressure,
temp) and a tach signal and convert it to a Karman frequency.  The circuit wouldn't terribly  difficult, but figuring out the equation relating the inputs and the output would be interesting.   But... perhaps you could get the fuel maps from one of the guys with an AEM who has converted to  speed-density and just convert  those numbers to a Karman frequency. Hmmmmmm.
 
- --Erik
 
> And just drop in a GM ECU too, cause ours don't communicate. Maybe
> drop in one of those funny blocks with the extra two cylinders while
> you're at it.
>
> > I have a GM car that I can check the output from the sensors on. 
> > The big question then would be, how to convert the signal from the
> > GM sensors to a karman vortex signal.
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:31:39 -0400
From: Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
Subject: Team3S: Unusually High Knock Sums - What's the Deal?
 
I have a '92 VR4 that I drive everyday and race several times a year. It has GT357 turbos with  supporting fuel and exhaust mods, stock intercoolers, and has 150K miles on it.  My last few times  at the drag strip, and on my dyno run early this year, both a Datalogger and a Pocketlogger have  shown relatively high knock-sums considering the fuel and boost that I run. I run 100 octane  unleaded fuel or 110 leaded, and see knock-sums from 19 to 24 at as low as 17psi boost. I normally  set the ARC2 on the rich side to help lower the knock, with O2's usually reading .98 volts.  Anything less and the knock goes higher. My car seems to run strong, but the timing retards  significantly in the higher rpms as the knock occurs, which normally starts at around 5000rpms.  But I've sometimes recorded knock while popping the throttle off idle. So what's the deal?
 
I've got to assume that I'm getting false knock, or else I don't know what would be causing it.  Assuming this, what should I check for and do to eliminate it? I've already checked the base  timing and confirmed it at 7.5 degrees. I've tried adjusting the crank angle sensor between runs  to increase and decrease the base timing, but there were no apparent changes in knock. I've tried  the motor mount test, and get some engine movement when I engage the clutch with the parking brake  on, but the movement doesn't seem excessive. I removed one of the intercoolers and it was very  clean inside, but both intercoolers had several rows of bent fins which I tried to straighten out.  What else should I check. Do you think my assumption of false knock is correct? Could it be the  knock sensor itself? Before I spend tons of money on needless stuff, I just want to make sure that  my problem doesn't lie elsewhere. What do you think?
 
Thanks,
 
Jeff W.
Belleville, MI
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenn vrfour <vr4glenn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mrs Old Poop??
 
Hey Rich,
 
Nice letter to the Editor of Autoweek ('A true trophy
wife') - 10/21/2002.
 
For those who don't have a copy, Rich's letter is
about
his wife and the times they have spent together in and
around motorsports.  If you have a copy, it's on page
13.
 
3kgt content: having a wife that understands and
enjoys the sport can make your 3000gt experience that
much better.
 
Glenn
 
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:42:16 -0700
From: "Joel Singh" <joelsingh@primus.com.au>
Subject: Team3S: needle for gauges
 
Need some help, I have just put in some new white gauge faces, speedo, rpm, fuel. I took the  needles off without marking them. when I put them back on they r in the wrong spot. How do I  correct this any help would be appreciated
 
Joel from downunder
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:19:27 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: needle for gauges
 
Check on the 3SI.org board, I know it's been discussed before but I never paid much attention. I  'calibrated' my speedometer when I had the car up on four jackstands by calculating the MPH based  on gear
ratios and tire circumference and RPM. Then I pulled the speedometer needle ran it to a  predetermined RPM and set the needle to the calculated MPH. When I checked it on the road I have  about a 1% error at 70 mph. I haven't checked higher speeds since I haven't taken it on a trip  without my trailer full of race gear.
 
        Jim Berry ==================================================
 
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:44:51 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Unusually High Knock Sums - What's the Deal?
 
It may be time to upgrade your ignition.  I used to get unusual knock sums until I changed to  Accel coils.  I am guessing that in my case, the knock was actually spark blow out.
 
Other symptoms that I had were, A/F ratios between 11.5 and 12.5 at idle and hesitation under  different boost levels.  I even saw my engine miss a spark at idle every now and then with a  timing light.  I guess my stock coils were worn out.
 
This may not be the cause in your case, but I would check for it.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:35:40 -0500
From: "William" <krikit@sirinet.net>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Swap Auto to Manual...92 3kGT
 
Hey, I was wondering if anyone could give me a price quote or estimate for a tranny swap from the  stock Automatic to a 5 or 6 spd Standard transmission. I've heard horror stories of the front axle  snapping when this swap is done, so I was wondering also what it would take to reinforce the front  axle (or possibly replace?). Any help would be greatly appreciated, and be gentle if I messed this  post up, its my first one!
 
Thanks in advance,
William
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT Base
 
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 04:11:17 -0500
From: "Mark and Brenda" <mebmark@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine block question
 
Hi Gang! Well here I am at 4:00am thinking about my engine and couldn't go back to sleep. My  question is, did Dodge or Mitsubishi use the same engine block that the 92 NA has, in any other  cars or trucks? Thanks in advance. Mark.
 
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:34:04 -0700
From: "Damien" <dabinch@actionsd.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel Cut
 
I just bought a '93 3000GT from a dealer (so I don't know any history).  I sometimes hit fuel cut  at about 3500rpm in 3rd or 4th gear.  When this happens the stock boost gauge is pegged at 14psi.   My brother suggested that there is a manual boost controller or perhaps the fish tank valve trick  on the car.  Under the hood everything appears stock (no sign of mbc) except for a shiny metal  Ypipe (and K&N open element filter, but it hit fuel cut both before and after installation).   There was an owner's manual for a Apexi ebc in the glove box, but no sign of the actual device.   My questions are 1. Should the stock boost gauge be indicating 14lbs (isn't stock boost 8lbs)?  2.  Why might I be hitting fuel cut as such low rpm's?
 
Thanks
 
Damien
 
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