Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Monday, October 7 2002    Volume 01 : Number 965
 
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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:43:45 -0400
From: "bob atkins" <ratkins@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
 
I have my stock suspension in a storage bin in the garage.  There are no
blocks in the springs.  My former '99SL did not have them either.  Hope
someone else can give you some ideas of what your "knock" is.  You might
give us a little more description on when the knock occurs and what you
fell and hear.
 
bob
'99VR-4
 
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>From: Andrew Spargo <spargo@emirates.net.ae>
>Subject: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
>Date: Sun, Oct 6, 2002, 11:24 AM
 
> I wonder if anyone on the list can help the dealership here in the
> U.A.E. They reckon the suspension knock coming from the drivers side
> front suspension is due to a missing rubber block that should be
> fitted between the coils on the front suspension coil spring. These
> blocks look like a big letter 'E' approx. 6" tall and 1" wide, with
> circles in the end where the coils on the spring fit in, there should
> be 2 on each side. I only have 1 on the drivers side, their trouble is
> that according to their 'CAPS' this vehicle does not have these fitted
> (in fact no 3000GT has them fitted because they are not even shown).
> So can anyone on the list give them a hand and pass on a part number
> etc. They have resorted to taking photos and are sending them to Japan
> for help.  Or is this another, "special for the Middle East mod.?"
>
> Andy Spargo
 
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 08:40:29 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
 
What you're describing sounds like a spring spacer or spring rubber. They
are used to make the spring harder to compress --- in effect it increases
the spring rate. NASCAR teams use them during the race to change the
suspension setup and alter handling. In your case if there is only a spacer
on one side someone may have tried to correct a sagging spring or maybe one
side of the care was lower than the other.
 
The lack of one shouldn't cause any noise problems unless the springs
are damaged or altered [ maybe someone heated the springs to lower the car ].
 
        Jim Berry ====================================================
 
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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:45:10 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
 
Look elsewhere. I don't think the E is the problem.
 
If you did not buy this car new, perhaps the previous owner replaced the springs
with Eibachs. If so, the big rubber prophylactic is probably missing, and you can
see the springs (my 94 had rubber covers over the springs, so I assume yours did
too).
 
What happens with my Eibachs is that dirt and crud get onto the top spring landing,
and then make crunchy, grinding, squeak-squawk noises. Being in Middle East, you
have a little bit of sand on the road, which might do the same thing.
 
My cure is to jack the car up, and remove the front wheels. The springs (being
shorter than stock), will fall away from the top spring landing, so I can clean
them easily.
 
If your springs don't fall away easily, then you might try cleaning the top and
bottom landings with compressed air. In any case, see if cleaning the landings
eliminates the noise.
 
If so, then there are two possible solutions:
 
1. Find a tough rubber hose the same size as the springs, and encase the top and
bottom of the spring in rubber.
2. Fabricate a prophylactic from an old inner tube or whatever to encase the entire
spring and keep the sand out. You may have to remove the strut and spring to install
this.
 
Just lubricating the landing won't work, because it will attract more sand.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:29:09 US/Eastern
From: ratkins@cfl.rr.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
 
Andrew - since you offer more description of the problem - I hope you won't
mind me sharing your message.
 
Based on Andrew's response (below)
I would suspect misalignment of the upper and lower strut mounts.  Because the
angle of the upper mount is critical to rotation, and the upper mount is not
perpendicular to the strut, alignment of the upper and lower mounts is
required.  There are sight holes in the upper and lower spring perch to aid the
alignment and the upper perch can only be installed in one orientation to
eliminate binding in the bearing of the upper mount.  To fix this may require
removal of the strut assembly and compression of the spring to freely rotate
the two perches to the aligned position.
 
Anyone agree or offer an easier "try this first"
 
Bob
'99VR-4
 
Hi Bob
 The knock always occurs at low speeds (10-25kph) normally turning a
corner.
It is clearly felt on the left foot as though it is coming through the bodywork
(not a steering fault). The last time I came across it the top mount on the
McPherson strut was loose - but they say this is not the problem. Thanks for the
quick reply, much appreciated.
 
Andy
> What you're describing sounds like a spring spacer or spring rubber.
> They are used to make the spring harder to compress --- in effect it
> increases the spring rate. NASCAR teams use them during the race to
> change the suspension setup and alter handling. In your case if there
> is only a spacer on one side someone may have tried to correct a
> sagging spring or maybe one side of the care was lower than the other.
>
> The lack of one shouldn't cause any noise problems unless the springs
> are damaged or altered [ maybe someone heated the springs to lower
> the car ].
>
>         Jim Berry ====================================================
 
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:30:47 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
 
It still sounds like a spring rubber --- is this rubber E a hard rubber compound
or soft and pliant. Where does it attach to the spring --- between two coils or
in multiple places. Hell, I still can't figure out how your car functions without
O2 sensors. The loose top mount/bearing assembly would be my choice.
 
        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Spargo" <spargo@emirates.net.ae>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Suspension knock on 1999 VR4 (Middle East specs.)
 
> Hi Jim
> Sorry I should have made it clearer, I have 2 on the passengers side
> but only 1 on the drivers side. The suspension "clunk" sounds like a
> loose top mount (to me) but the dealer wants to fit another rubber
> block first, the only trouble is that he has no part number. The car
> was purchased brand new by me and no-one has touched that suspension,
> so we assume it has been missing since manufacture. Thanks for the
> prompt reply, much appreciated.
>
> Andy
 
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:17:09 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: speaker replacement help needed
 
After talking to some people, they recommended JBL GTO605C or C608GTI as being the
easiest to install with minor modifications. Which would be better ?
 
But I was wondering a few things.  My car is the 1997 VR-4 with the amp under the
front passenger seat.
 
Do  I need the JBL crossover or not ?
 
I noticed the JBL speakers have an 4 Ohm Impedance, is that the same as our stock
speakers ?
 
Any tips or other help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks
 
Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm
 
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:09:32 -0700
From: "Joel Singh" <joelsingh@primus.com.au>
Subject: Team3S: Boost problem
 
I'm only getting 6psi boost max, I've got a aftermarket gauge. The car is a 91 GTO,
what could the problem be, When I got the car the solenoid valve wasn't connected
but I have connected it now, do I have to reset the ECU or should it just start
working. I tried a manual boost controller to increase boost but even when it peaks
at 10 it quickly drops to 6psi. Any help would be highly appreciated.
 
Joel.
 
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost problem
 
1)  Pressure dropping from max is normal..stock turbos fall off quickly.
 
2)  What mods do you have?
3)  What boost gauge is it?  Autometer??
 
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Joel Singh wrote:
 
> I'm only getting 6psi boost max, I've got a aftermarket gauge. The car
> is a 91 GTO, what could the problem be, When I got the car the
> solenoid valve wasn't connected but I have connected it now, do I
> have to reset the ECU or should it just start working. I tried a
> manual boost controller to increase boost but even when it peaks at 10
> it quickly drops to 6psi. Any help would be highly appreciated.
>
> Joel.
 
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:35:12 -0700
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Boost problem
 
Regardless of gauge type or turbo config he should be able to hold 10+PSI from
3500-5500, I do. I had a similar problem. I think there is something wrong with
the solenoid. Ether hoses plugged in backwards, or the wire lose or something...
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Boost problem
 

1)  Pressure dropping from max is normal..stock turbos fall off quickly.
2)  What mods do you have?
3)  What boost gauge is it?  Autometer??
 
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Joel Singh wrote:
 
> I'm only getting 6psi boost max, I've got a aftermarket gauge. The car
> is a 91 GTO, what could the problem be, When I got the car the solenoid
> valve wasn't connected but I have connected it now, do I have to reset
> the ECU or should it just start working. I tried a manual boost controller
> to increase boost but even when it peaks at 10 it quickly drops to 6psi.
> Any help would be highly appreciated.
>
> Joel.
 
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6/6 Nylon suspension bushings are available for MK3 supras NOW! Check out
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 03:56:18 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby III" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Need 2 cheep mufflers! Personal experience request :)
 
Alright, first off let me tell you about the rest of the exhaust system. I'm
getting a true duel exhaust, completely separate 2 1/2" pipes from each turbo
back. Therefore muffler choice is passed on the fact that I need 2 of them and
my money tree burned down. :) These are the ones I'm looking at right now,
also note that this IS a nearly daily driver, so Db can't be outrageous, so
share any experiences you guy's have or have heard of. MOROSO Spiral Flow Muffler
$44.99 DYNOMAX 4" Round Bullet Muffler $31.99 DYNOMAX 6" Round Welded Ultra Flo
$69.99 Split-Flow Racing Muffler $89.99 (Supposedly straight through with very low
Db)
Also if anyone knows of a fairly cheep muffler that would work good on a turbo
car let me know about it :) All prices are quoted from Jeg's Thanks for the help
guys Donald Ashby '93 3000GT VR-4 Member #1315
 
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:01:58 +0200
From: "Mikael Kenson" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: One of the fastest for sale!!
 
Long time has passed since November 97 when I bought my Red Mitsubishi 3000GT
VR-4. This car has treated me very well and have given my much joy. Thanks to
the 3S community I have also met (both in IRL and on the net) many new friends
all over the world. But time goes on and I have decided to move on from the 3S
community into the world of "real performance" :) ... so my wonderful car and
all parts are now out for sale.
 
The car is very quick. Second time at the drag strip I did 11.12@131mph. With a
better launch and a few driver mistakes less (hmpfrr...) it will easily be
deep in the tens.
 
I want to sell all this in as big package as possible.
 
If you are seriously interested in these parts please contact me by email
mikael@3000gt.nu
 
Engine related parts:
 
- Highly modified heads (can't be better)
- Pauter Rods
- Ross Pistons
- Bigger intake valves (very big)
- Fidanza adjustable Cam gears
- Unorthodox Pulley
- Custom made front mount Intercooler with pipes
- 18T+ special Turbos
- Custom made stainless headers
- DNP Precat eliminators
- Custom made dual 2'5 pipe exhaust system (all way)
- Dual Walbro fuel pumps
- Denso 720 injectors
- M&W Pro 14 CDI ignition
- Autronic SM2 engine management system
- Blitz DSBC Boost controller
- Greddy Type R blow off
- Greddy catch can
- AN10 teflon/steel braided fuel line from tank to filter
- Dual AN6 teflon/steel from filter to rails
- Dual AN 6 teflon/steel from rails to FPR
- Fidanza aluminium fly wheel
- SX fuel filter
- SX fuel pressure regulator
- PiperX air filter (x2)
- Magnecore ignition cables
- Electrical ultra thin racing fans
 
Drive line parts:
 
- Sachs twin disc clutch (holds 1280 Nm!!)
- Carbon fiber drive shaft PST
- Spare Carbon fiber drive shaft ACPT
- Complete 5 to 6 speed conversion
- 6 speed gear box with Kormex front limited slip Diff
- Cast steel transfercase
 
Suspension and body parts etc:
 
- JIC Coil over suspension (kicks Teins ass)
- Autometer gauges rpm,boost,egt, oil press, oil and water temp. Wheels
- 18"x9" OZ Superlegera (extremely light) with (R tire) Bridgestone
- RE540 245/40-18 Snapp off steering wheel and hub Custom made front
- Stock 99 rear wing Pagid Orange pads Bremsa Front rotors
 
(most of the parts are almost new)
 
Add new cams and valve springs to the package and your car will be
a record holder!
 
More information about the car and engine can be found here:
http://www.3000gt.nu
 
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:46:07 -0700
From: "Joel Singh" <joelsingh@primus.com.au>
Subject: Team3S: Exhaust
 
I'm thinking about gutting the pre cats and the main cat, will the
car become much louder, will I notice the difference in the flow,
will I get any more power gain from this? Does it increase boost
at all ? thanks, Joel.
 
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:58:01 -0400
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph" <starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: speaker replacement help needed
 
Anthony:  I am almost positive our stock setup is 4 ohm.  As for
the crossover, you are generally always better off using the
crossover supplied by the speaker manufacturer, as the manufacturer
is most knowledgeable about its speaker's characteristics and
capabilities.  Did you decide to change the tweeter AND the woofers,
but keep the stock amp, etc.?  The reason I am asking is that it
you're keeping everything stock and just changing out the front
speakers, you should try to make sure that your new speakers closely
match the sensitivity rating of the old stock speakers.  If not,
there may be a noticeable volume difference between the front and
the back at the same power.  In other words, feeding a 4 ohm speaker
with an 86 db sensitivity rating 10 watts will sound quieter than
feeding a 4 ohm speaker with a higher sensitivity rating the same
10 watts.  The greater the difference in sensitivity, the more
noticeable the difference in volume.  You can, of course, compensate
for this by adjusting the fader, but by doing so you'll lose some
power from your amp.
 
This was an issue for me when I changed out my entire system.  I
installed Polk 6-3/4" component woofers and tweeters in the front,
and Polk 6x9's in the rear.  The fronts were rated at 86db sensitivity,
while the rears were 91db.  Recognizing a very noticeable difference
in volume, I decided to bypass the amplifier in my receiver (It's a
Kenwood Excelon), and install two separate amplifiers to power the
front and rear speakers.  That way I can set the sensitivity and
output controls on my amps to equalize out the power.
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: anthonymelillo [mailto:anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: Team3S: speaker replacement help needed
 
After talking to some people, they recommended JBL GTO605C or C608GTI
as being the easiest to install with minor modifications. Which would
be better ?
 
But I was wondering a few things.  My car is the 1997 VR-4 with the
amp under the front passenger seat.
 
Do  I need the JBL crossover or not ?
 
I noticed the JBL speakers have an 4 Ohm Impedance, is that the same
as our stock speakers ?
 
Any tips or other help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks
 
Anthony Melillo
1997 VR-4, Firestorm Red
http://home.sprintmail.com/~anthonymelillo/3000gt.htm
 
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:44:52 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need 2 cheep mufflers! Personal experience request :)
 
Actually, I think your muffler choice will be based on which one
will fit on the passenger side. There is not a lot of room over there.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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