Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Friday, October 4
2002 Volume 01 : Number 963
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:21:15 -0700
From: "Rivenburg, Pete" <
privenburg@firstam.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
I've been real curios about these things since I read a thread here
on Team3s about five months ago. Does anyone know if these are axial or
centrifugal? The thread said something about the second gen coming out
more powerful.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:55:13 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
> Electronic superchargers, better known as "fans", are good at moving
air.
The confusion is that they are not good at COMPRESSING air. That
is the key to building big power. They also don't do very good at getting
enough air through anyway... even on a NA engine, the engine will do a ton
of sucking when it requires air. Usually a fan is just getting in the way
and actually creating a bottleneck for getting air flow.
> geis -
above worth just slightly less than $0.02 US.
-
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The new eRams are supposedly more effective (lighter components, quicker
response), but I've only dynoed the old model eRams. They are both
10,000rpm axial fans, drawing 50 amps for the single, 100 amps for the
dual (about the power draw of a good stereo). One unit gives 1psi, 2 units
give about 1.5psi. On non-turbo cars, they give a real horsepower gain of
~5-7% (~8-10% for the dual model). The "?Jet" something or other is
another brand that you must be thinking of, and Rich and Rommel dynoed
that one as zero gain. On turbo cars, according to Roger, they will do
nothing but slow up your intake. My full write-up is in our Team3S
FAQ pages.
The eRam is pricey, but it works just fine.
- --Forrest
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:07:56 +0200
From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <
post@primusmotor.no>
Subject:
Team3S: New Headlight Set for Dodge Stealth
Will the Mitsubishi 3000GT Headlights fit directly on a 1991 Dodge Stealth
RT twin turbo?
I have seen a picture of a 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT with a set of headlamps
that are curved on the top surface.
I guess that is not the original lamps? Has anyone seen those lamps for
sale, or is it a modification kit available ?
Thanks for any tips.
Roger
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The best electric superchargers are the Kirby vacuum cleaner units.
We
had a lively discussion about those a couple of years ago. What you do is mount
them in the back of the car, on the exhaust pipes, so they suck out the
exhaust. When combined with turbos, they really work neat!
Rich/slow old poop
At 11:21 AM 10/3/02 -0700, Rivenburg, Pete wrote:
>I've been real
curios about these things since I read a thread here on
>Team3s
about five months ago. Does anyone know if these are axial or
>centrifugal? The thread said something about the second gen coming out
>more powerful.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:42:54 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <
brian.geisel@hp.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
I'll bet that solution thrills the environmentalists! Imagine how
much cleaner our air would be!
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
[mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:16
PM
> To: Rivenburg, Pete; Team3s (E-mail)
> Subject: Team3S: Here we
go again. It's Kirby time!
>
> The best electric superchargers are
the Kirby vacuum cleaner units.
> We had a lively discussion about those a
couple of years ago.
> What you do is mount them in the back of the car,
on the
> exhaust pipes, so they suck out the exhaust. When combined
> with turbos, they really work neat!
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:34:50 -0400
From: "Bedrock" <
bedrock@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: New Headlight Set for Dodge Stealth
Looks like 1997 setup? And no I don't think they will fit without major
changes.
Bob
White/Red 91 RT/TT, Original at 136,000+
- ----- Original Message
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From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <
post@primusmotor.no>
Sent: Thursday,
October 03, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Team3S: New Headlight Set for Dodge
Stealth
> Will the Mitsubishi 3000GT Headlights fit directly on a 1991 Dodge
> Stealth RT twin turbo?
>
> I have seen a picture of a 1995
Mitsubishi 3000 GT with a set of
> headlamps that are curved on the top
surface.
>
> I guess that is not the original lamps? Has anyone seen
those lamps
> for sale, or is it a modification kit available
?
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>
> Roger
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:04:47 -0700
From: "dakken" <
dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
> I'll bet that solution thrills the environmentalists! Imagine
how
> much
cleaner our air would be!
True. You would have to change the vacuum cleaner bag a lot
though. There is about 16 pounds of carbon for every gallon of gas.
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:04:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Littau <
littau@cs.umn.edu>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
Has anyone actually tried this on a dyno, or is one of my legs looking a
bit longer than the other right now?
The whole thing smacks of perpetual motion to me, unless you're getting the
power to run the vacuums from something other than the engine. Or,
you're trading a short-term power burst for the long-term requirement of
recharging the battery to make up for the extra power drain on the electrical
system. That's the same issue the electric superchargers will have,
you can't have them on all the time because the power drain on the charging
system has to be higher than the power increase they provide. You just use
the battery(s) as a power-averaging system, drain them fast for a short burst,
then slowly recharge them until they're back to square one.
Entropy lives.
david, lurking in mn
> The best electric superchargers are the Kirby vacuum cleaner units. We
> had a lively discussion about those a couple of years ago. What you do
> is mount them in the back of the car, on the exhaust pipes, so they
> suck out the exhaust. When combined with turbos, they really work
> neat!
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:33:20 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <
brian.geisel@hp.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
Not necessarily. Remember, you are not using the electricity to power
the car. You are using the electricity to provide the car with more air
flow. Very different. It is still the gasoline burn which
provides the power, so you could use very little electrical power to provide
more air, the car in turn dumps in more fuel. More fuel == more
power. That's why a supercharger works. It doesn't directly power
the engine, it does something simple that allows the engine to produce
much more power from the gasoline.
geis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Littau
[mailto:littau@cs.umn.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:04
PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
>
> Has anyone actually tried this on a dyno, or is one of my
> legs
looking a bit longer than the other right now?
>
> The whole thing
smacks of perpetual motion to me, unless
> you're getting the power to run
the vacuums from something
> other than the engine. Or, you're
trading a short-term
> power burst for the long-term requirement of
recharging
> the battery to make up for the extra power drain on
the
> electrical system. That's the same issue the electric
>
superchargers will have, you can't have them on all the
> time because the
power drain on the charging system has
> to be higher than the power
increase they provide.
> You just use the battery(s) as a power-averaging
system,
> drain them fast for a short burst, then slowly recharge
>
them until they're back to square one.
>
> Entropy lives.
>
> david, lurking in mn
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:33:27 -0700
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <
tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
I saw a picture of a guy who hooked up an electric leaf blower to his car.
It looked goofy, but I bet it worked great. Those things can make pressure. Got
an inverter and set it on a switch to turn on at WOT.
Tyson
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geisel, Brian
Sent: Thursday,
October 03, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
Electronic superchargers, better known as "fans", are good at moving air.
The confusion is that they are not good at COMPRESSING air. That is the
key to building big power. They also don't do very good at getting
enough air through anyway... even on a NA engine, the engine will do a ton of
sucking when it requires air. Usually a fan is just getting in the
way and actually creating a bottleneck for getting air flow.
geis - above worth just slightly less than $0.02 US.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Terflinger
[mailto:terflit@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:12
PM
> Subject: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
>
> I have seen
these "electronic superchargers" on Ebay and often
> wondered how if at
all they can aid performance on a forced induction
> turbo charged
car?
>
> They are basically a fan that blows directly into
your
> intake, could that allow the turbo to spool as the car is
at
> a stop so you take off with full boost? Anyone have one or
try
> one yet? I only receive the digest version now so if you
want
> you can reply to me directly or I will read it
tomorrow.
>
> Thanks,
> TNT3KGT
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
Its very simple guys..
ANYTHING that lowers the pressure differential between the valve and
ambient atmospheric pressure, WILL result in added HP.
That's why the Eram works so well, it provides a low rpm adrenaline rush of
airflow. Its increasing the atmospheric pressure ahead of the valves..and
you get more air in.
Its that simple.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:17:13 -0700
From: "Damien" <
dabinch@actionsd.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Discounts on parts?
What Mitsubishi dealers give the deepest discounts on parts? Thanks
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-Damien
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:04:48 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Discounts on parts?
> What Mitsubishi dealers give the deepest discounts on parts?
Thanks
> -Damien
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Look at our "Good Guys" vendors page - it's in the FAQ pages...
Please..., research our website and see what's in there! There's a
TON of information!
Best,
Forrest
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:55:58 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <
erik@microworks.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Team 3S: Exhaust choices for a Base Stealth
What are my choices for replacing the entire exhaust on a 1991 Base model
Stealth. Does the downpipe that Stillen makes bolt up to my car? Any
kits?, I've only seen ones for the dual exhaust turbo cars.
Thnx,
- -Erik
'91 Stealth
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:50:58 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Team 3S: Exhaust choices for a Base Stealth
I know that Borla makes a catback for the non turbos, but I don't know if
it works on the stealths - the nt 3ks are dual exhaust. If you look around in
the archives, there was a link someplace about putting a dual exhaust onto
a single exhaust stealth - I think all the mounting hardware is already there
and you just have to cut the rear bumper cover.
Alex.
'95 VR4
- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Petterson
Sent: Thursday,
October 03, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S: Exhaust choices for a
Base Stealth
What are my choices for replacing the entire exhaust on a 1991 Base model
Stealth. Does the downpipe that Stillen makes bolt up to my car? Any
kits?, I've only seen ones for the dual exhaust turbo cars.
Thnx,
- -Erik
'91 Stealth
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Ludwig <
yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Which Rims for Road Course Racing
Hello again gang,
I have decided to not buy an NSX and continue the upgrades on my
95VR4. I want to use this car for driving schools and road course
fun.
I have a set of stock 16" Aluminum Alloy rims from my previously owned
1994SL. I put new 17" Chromies on the SL and sold it, plan was to sell the 16"
Alum rims to offset that cost... problem is, the bottom has fallen out of
the market for 16" rims. A nice set is for sale on ebay and cant even get an
opening bid of $99... that is pathetic. So here is my question. The stock
18" Chromies that are on my VR4 are beautiful but heavy. What do you think of
putting new rubber on the 16's and using those for my track events? Are
the 16" rims better for the track due to lower weight? Does rim size make a huge
difference for sidewall flex on road course? This VR4 is in process of
becoming a fair weather car only and transitioning away from my daily driver. I
could really use your knowledgeable input on this topic, please respond to
the group if you could so we can stir up some opinions on this topic.
Thanx!
Roger L
F15DOC
95VR4, (99 Conversion kit ordered TODAY!) HKS Exhaust,
K&N FIPK, HKS EVC IV Boost controller, HKS Turbo Timer, Type S BOV, Tyson
Type I downpipe and test pipe (on order), BobK custom fuel rail mid line,
Ground Control Coilover Suspension Kit. Plans: Front and Rear Sway Bars and
Strut Bars, Tein Suspension, Big Brake Kit, Front Mount Intercoolers,
etc., etc., etc.
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:13:39 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Which Rims for Road Course Racing
AFAIK, 16s won't fit _any_ vr4, be it 1st gen or 2nd - they won't clear the
calipers...
Alex
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Ludwig <
yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Which Rims for Road Course Racing
GGGGRRRRRR!!!
I hadn't even thought about that, I bet you are
right
on that one....
Roger L
F15DOC
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Which Rims for Road Course Racing
Don't buy into lightweight too much.
The more spokes the better, or the fewer..go WIDER.
The less arc of the wheel that is left unsupported, the stronger the wheel
will be.
IMHO, stockers...indestructible short of really REALLY screwing up.
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>So here is my question. The stock 18" Chromies that
>are on my VR4 are beautiful but heavy. What do you
>think of putting new rubber on the 16's and using
>those for my track events?
Forget using the 16 inchers. They won't clear your calipers.
Use your 18 in. chromies for cruising the blvd.
Buy a set of 94+ 17 in. wheels for your race tires. A set of rusty,
flaky
chromies would be fine. So would SL wheels, ugly as they are. There
are
zillions of race tires available for 17 in. wheels at a reasonable price.
I ran 97 SL wheels for two years until I sold them to Flash, and
he's
still running on them!
Race wheels are just that: for racing. Nobody cares what they look
like.
Stock 94+ 17 in. wheels are STRONG,<bold> </bold>and
perfect for your
purposes.
Rich/slow old poop
94 VR4 w/race tires on stock chromies
Street tires on aftermarket wheels.
(chromies are stronger and wider)
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:39:38 -0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <
cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Discounts on parts?
FYI In SE Florida, Coconut Creek Mitsu will often beat Rockville or
Tally,
but won't ship.
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:54:08 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <
alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: Team3S: Weird
stereo problems
Hey gang,
I'm stumped - my stock 2nd gen radio (the 2din am/fm/tape/cd changer)
is
cutting out once in a while. What'll happen is I'll be listening to
the
radio and the volume level drops to the point where I can barely
hear
it. If I switch to cds, it's just fine. If I switch back to radio,
it's
still quiet. Once it happens, it doesn't go away until the car sits
for
a while (like an hour in the parking lot or something)...
Thanks,
Alex
'95 VR4
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it almost sounds like a loose antenna connection ...
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:38:32 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <
anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject:
Fw: Subject: Re: Team3S: speaker replacement recommendation
I am still looking around for a good deal on the speakers, but I did look
at the thread you mentioned, and was wondering if I really
needed the
crossover block that is on the tweeters ? I am guessing our car already
had one built into the system. Do I need the
JBL one also or is it an
extra part ?
I found the GTO605C for $100 on Yahoo shopping, but after browsing around
JBL's web site I also saw another 6-1/2 component system,
the JBL
C608GTI. Would these be better ?
Anthony Melillo
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