Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth    Friday, October 4 2002    Volume 01 : Number 963
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:21:15 -0700
From: "Rivenburg, Pete" <privenburg@firstam.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
 
I've been real curios about these things since I read a  thread here on Team3s about five months ago. Does anyone know if these are axial or centrifugal? The  thread said something about the second gen coming out more powerful.
 
Pete Rivenburg
Privenburg@firstam.com
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:55:13 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
 
> Electronic superchargers, better known as "fans", are good at moving air.
The confusion is that they are not good at COMPRESSING air.  That is the key to building big power.  They also don't do very good at getting enough air  through anyway... even on a NA engine, the engine will do a ton of sucking when it requires air.  Usually a fan is just getting in the way and actually  creating a bottleneck for getting air flow.
> geis - above worth just slightly less than $0.02 US.
- -------------------------->
 
The new eRams are supposedly more effective (lighter components, quicker response), but I've only dynoed the old model eRams.  They are both 10,000rpm axial  fans, drawing 50 amps for the single, 100 amps for the dual (about the power draw of a good stereo).  One unit gives 1psi, 2 units give about 1.5psi. On  non-turbo cars, they give a real horsepower gain of ~5-7% (~8-10% for the dual model).  The "?Jet" something or other is another brand that you must be  thinking of, and Rich and Rommel dynoed that one as zero gain.  On turbo cars, according to Roger, they will do nothing but slow up your intake.  My full  write-up is in our Team3S FAQ pages.
 
The eRam is pricey, but it works just fine.
 
- --Forrest
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:07:56 +0200
From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <post@primusmotor.no>
Subject: Team3S: New Headlight Set for Dodge Stealth
 
Will the Mitsubishi 3000GT Headlights fit directly on a 1991 Dodge Stealth RT twin turbo?
 
I have seen a picture of a 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT with a set of headlamps that are curved on the top surface.
 
I hope this link will work out: http://photo.msn.s8.com/MS8zLzAvMS8xMDI5LzE1NS8zMi9oQmU3d0htaks0MVFZQVRDSVFM
NHRR/51b257c2ee8f7bc0bb0c7e12b0d45e57/clbk=HcZNnT9kkUh4UjUeLni8BG5RXVks30mZG
idqu70n2iEt0!qS4ed0THy8MuzQ4poX3XAjy6FeaoY$/jpg.jpg
 
I guess that is not the original lamps? Has anyone seen those lamps for sale, or is it a modification kit available ?
 
Thanks for any tips.
 
Roger
 
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:15:52 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
 
The best electric superchargers are the Kirby vacuum cleaner units.
We had a lively discussion about those a couple of years ago. What you do is mount them in the back of the car, on the exhaust pipes, so they suck out the  exhaust. When combined with turbos, they really work neat!
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
At 11:21 AM 10/3/02 -0700, Rivenburg, Pete wrote:
>I've been real curios about these things since I read a  thread here on
>Team3s about five months ago. Does anyone know if these are axial or
>centrifugal? The thread said something about the second gen coming out
>more powerful.
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:42:54 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <brian.geisel@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
 
I'll bet that solution thrills the environmentalists!  Imagine how much cleaner our air would be!
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: merritt@cedar-rapids.net [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:16 PM
> To: Rivenburg, Pete; Team3s (E-mail)
> Subject: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
>
> The best electric superchargers are the Kirby vacuum cleaner units.
> We had a lively discussion about those a couple of years ago.
> What you do is mount them in the back of the car, on the
> exhaust pipes, so they suck out the exhaust. When combined
> with turbos, they really work neat!
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:34:50 -0400
From: "Bedrock" <bedrock@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Headlight Set for Dodge Stealth
 
Looks like 1997 setup? And no I don't think they will fit without major changes.
 
Bob
White/Red 91 RT/TT, Original at 136,000+
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger L. Skoglund" <post@primusmotor.no>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Team3S: New Headlight Set for Dodge Stealth
 
> Will the Mitsubishi 3000GT Headlights fit directly on a 1991 Dodge
> Stealth RT twin turbo?
>
> I have seen a picture of a 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT with a set of
> headlamps that are curved on the top surface.
>
> I guess that is not the original lamps? Has anyone seen those lamps
> for sale, or is it a modification kit available ?
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>
> Roger
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:04:47 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
 
> I'll bet that solution thrills the environmentalists!  Imagine how
> much
cleaner our air would be!
 
True.  You would have to change the vacuum cleaner bag a lot though.  There is about 16 pounds of carbon for every gallon of gas.
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:04:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Littau <littau@cs.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
 
Has anyone actually tried this on a dyno, or is one of my legs looking a bit longer than the other right now?
 
The whole thing smacks of perpetual motion to me, unless you're getting the power to run the vacuums from something other than the engine.  Or, you're  trading a short-term power burst for the long-term requirement of recharging the battery to make up for the extra power drain on the electrical system.   That's the same issue the electric superchargers will have, you can't have them on all the time because the power drain on the charging system has to be  higher than the power increase they provide. You just use the battery(s) as a power-averaging system, drain them fast for a short burst, then slowly recharge  them until they're back to square one.
 
Entropy lives.
 
david, lurking in mn
 
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
 
> The best electric superchargers are the Kirby vacuum cleaner units. We
> had a lively discussion about those a couple of years ago. What you do
> is mount them in the back of the car, on the exhaust pipes, so they
> suck out the exhaust. When combined with turbos, they really work
> neat!
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:33:20 -0500
From: "Geisel, Brian" <brian.geisel@hp.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
 
Not necessarily.  Remember, you are not using the electricity to power the car.  You are using the electricity to provide the car with more air flow.  Very  different.  It is still the gasoline burn which provides the power, so you could use very little electrical power to provide more air, the car in turn dumps  in more fuel.  More fuel == more power.  That's why a supercharger works.  It doesn't directly power the engine, it does something simple that allows the  engine to produce much more power from the gasoline.
 
geis
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Littau [mailto:littau@cs.umn.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Here we go again. It's Kirby time!
>
> Has anyone actually tried this on a dyno, or is one of my
> legs looking a bit longer than the other right now?
>
> The whole thing smacks of perpetual motion to me, unless
> you're getting the power to run the vacuums from something
> other than the engine.  Or, you're trading a short-term
> power burst for the long-term requirement of recharging
> the battery to make up for the extra power drain on the
> electrical system.  That's the same issue the electric
> superchargers will have, you can't have them on all the
> time because the power drain on the charging system has
> to be higher than the power increase they provide.
> You just use the battery(s) as a power-averaging system,
> drain them fast for a short burst, then slowly recharge
> them until they're back to square one.
>
> Entropy lives.
>
> david, lurking in mn
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:33:27 -0700
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
 
I saw a picture of a guy who hooked up an electric leaf blower to his car. It looked goofy, but I bet it worked great. Those things can make pressure. Got an  inverter and set it on a switch to turn on at WOT.
 
Tyson
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geisel, Brian
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
 
Electronic superchargers, better known as "fans", are good at moving air. The confusion is that they are not good at COMPRESSING air.  That is the key to  building big power.  They also don't do very good at getting enough air through anyway... even on a NA engine, the engine will do a ton of sucking when it  requires air.  Usually a fan is just getting in the way and actually creating a bottleneck for getting air flow.
 
geis - above worth just slightly less than $0.02 US.
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Terflinger [mailto:terflit@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:12 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
>
> I have seen these "electronic superchargers" on Ebay and often
> wondered how if at all they can aid performance on a forced induction
> turbo charged car?
>
> They are basically a fan that blows directly into your
> intake, could that allow the turbo to spool as the car is at
> a stop so you take off with full boost? Anyone have one or try
> one yet? I only receive the digest version now so if you want
> you can reply to me directly or I will read it tomorrow.
>
> Thanks,
> TNT3KGT
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Electronic Superchargers
 
Its very simple guys..
 
ANYTHING that lowers the pressure differential between the valve and ambient atmospheric pressure, WILL result in added HP.
 
That's why the Eram works so well, it provides a low rpm adrenaline rush of airflow.  Its increasing the atmospheric pressure ahead of the valves..and you get  more air in.
 
Its that simple.
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:17:13 -0700
From: "Damien" <dabinch@actionsd.com>
Subject: Team3S: Discounts on parts?
 
What Mitsubishi dealers give the deepest discounts on parts? Thanks
- -Damien
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:04:48 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Discounts on parts?
 
> What Mitsubishi dealers give the deepest discounts on parts? Thanks
> -Damien
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Look at our "Good Guys" vendors page - it's in the FAQ pages...
 
Please..., research our website and see what's in there!  There's a TON of information!
 
Best,
 
Forrest
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:55:58 -0700
From: "Erik Petterson" <erik@microworks.net>
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S:  Exhaust choices for a Base Stealth
 
What are my choices for replacing the entire exhaust on a 1991 Base model Stealth.  Does the downpipe that Stillen makes bolt up to my car?  Any kits?, I've  only seen ones for the dual exhaust turbo cars.
 
Thnx,
 
- -Erik
'91 Stealth
Mesa, AZ
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:50:58 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Team 3S:  Exhaust choices for a Base Stealth
 
I know that Borla makes a catback for the non turbos, but I don't know if it works on the stealths - the nt 3ks are dual exhaust. If you look around in the  archives, there was a link someplace about putting a dual exhaust onto a single exhaust stealth - I think all the mounting hardware is already there and you  just have to cut the rear bumper cover.
 
Alex.
 
'95 VR4
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Petterson
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S: Exhaust choices for a Base Stealth
 
What are my choices for replacing the entire exhaust on a 1991 Base model Stealth.  Does the downpipe that Stillen makes bolt up to my car?  Any kits?, I've  only seen ones for the dual exhaust turbo cars.
 
Thnx,
 
- -Erik
'91 Stealth
Mesa, AZ
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Ludwig <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Which Rims for Road Course Racing
 
Hello again gang,
 
I have decided to not buy an NSX and continue the upgrades on my 95VR4.  I want to use this car for driving schools and road course fun.
 
I have a set of stock 16" Aluminum Alloy rims from my previously owned 1994SL. I put new 17" Chromies on the SL and sold it, plan was to sell the 16" Alum  rims to offset that cost... problem is, the bottom has fallen out of the market for 16" rims. A nice set is for sale on ebay and cant even get an opening bid  of $99... that is pathetic. So here is my question. The stock 18" Chromies that are on my VR4 are beautiful but heavy. What do you think of putting new  rubber on the 16's and using those for my track events? Are the 16" rims better for the track due to lower weight? Does rim size make a huge difference for  sidewall flex on road course? This VR4 is in process of becoming a fair weather car only and transitioning away from my daily driver. I could really use your  knowledgeable input on this topic, please respond to the group if you could so we can stir up some opinions on this topic.
 
Thanx!
 
Roger L
F15DOC
95VR4, (99 Conversion kit ordered TODAY!) HKS Exhaust, K&N FIPK, HKS EVC IV Boost controller, HKS Turbo Timer, Type S BOV, Tyson Type I downpipe and test  pipe (on order), BobK custom fuel rail mid line, Ground Control Coilover Suspension Kit. Plans: Front and Rear Sway Bars and Strut Bars, Tein Suspension, Big  Brake Kit, Front Mount Intercoolers, etc., etc., etc.
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:13:39 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Which Rims for Road Course Racing
 
AFAIK, 16s won't fit _any_ vr4, be it 1st gen or 2nd - they won't clear the calipers...
 
Alex
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Ludwig <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Which Rims for Road Course Racing
 
GGGGRRRRRR!!!
I hadn't even thought about that, I bet you are right
on that one....
Roger L
F15DOC
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Which Rims for Road Course Racing
 
Don't buy into lightweight too much.
 
The more spokes the better, or the fewer..go WIDER.
 
The less arc of the wheel that is left unsupported, the stronger the wheel will be.
 
IMHO, stockers...indestructible short of really REALLY screwing up.
 
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:43:02 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Which Rims for Road Course Racing
 
>So here is my question. The stock 18" Chromies that
 
>are on my VR4 are beautiful but heavy. What do you
 
>think of putting new rubber on the 16's and using
 
>those for my track events?
 
Forget using the 16 inchers. They won't clear your calipers.
 
Use your 18 in. chromies for cruising the blvd.
 
Buy a set of 94+ 17 in. wheels for your race tires. A set of rusty, flaky
chromies would be fine. So would SL wheels, ugly as they are. There are
zillions of race tires available for 17 in. wheels at a reasonable price.
 
I ran 97 SL wheels for two years until I sold them to Flash, and he's
still running on them!
 
Race wheels are just that: for racing. Nobody cares what they look like.
Stock 94+ 17 in. wheels are STRONG,<bold> </bold>and perfect for your
purposes.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
94 VR4 w/race tires on stock chromies
 
Street tires on aftermarket wheels.
 
(chromies are stronger and wider)
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:39:38 -0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Discounts on parts?
 
FYI In SE Florida, Coconut Creek Mitsu will often beat Rockville or Tally,
but won't ship.
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:54:08 -0400
From: "Alex Pedenko" <alex@kolosy.com>
Subject: Team3S: Weird stereo problems
 
Hey gang,
 
I'm stumped - my stock 2nd gen radio (the 2din am/fm/tape/cd changer) is
cutting out once in a while. What'll happen is I'll be listening to the
radio and the volume level drops to the point where I can barely hear
it. If I switch to cds, it's just fine. If I switch back to radio, it's
still quiet. Once it happens, it doesn't go away until the car sits for
a while (like an hour in the parking lot or something)...
 
Thanks,
 
Alex
'95 VR4
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:54:34 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Weird stereo problems
 
it almost sounds like a loose antenna connection ...
 
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:38:32 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Fw: Subject: Re: Team3S: speaker replacement recommendation
 
I am still looking around for a good deal on the speakers, but I did look at the thread you mentioned, and was wondering if I really
needed the crossover block that is on the tweeters ?  I am guessing our car already had one built into the system.  Do I need the
JBL one also or is it an extra part ?
 
I found the GTO605C for $100 on Yahoo shopping, but after browsing around JBL's web site I also saw another 6-1/2 component system,
the JBL C608GTI.  Would these be better ?
 
Anthony Melillo
 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Ludwig" <yiotta@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Team3S: speaker replacement recommendation
>
> > I purchased mine online from an internet company,
> > can't remember which one, maybe buy.com..... anyway, I
> > think they were only about $50 or so for the dash
> > pair. Sound real nice and fit nicely into the speaker
> > holes in our dash.
> >
> > here is the link to the 3S discussion:
> > http://www.3si.org/portal/forums/showthread.php?s=a228dd70fe907e60e9cfcc1cfc05482b&threadid=89810&highlight=dash+speakers
> >
> > Roger L
> > F15DOC
 
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