Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Friday, September 20 2002  Volume 01 : Number 957
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:15:49 +1200
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
 
What year is it.
 
Has the ECU been rebuilt yet???
 
Steve
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:11:17 -0500
From: "Jim Fay" <jfay@tssu.com>
Subject: Team3S: Checking Coil Resistance
 
Bill
 
Checking primary resistance is easy, as you found out from the book.  The secondary side is measured  between the two plug wire holes, and unless it is open circuit, it will not tell you much.  It should  be small resistance, close to zero to get the high discharge rate to generate a spark.  There should  be no other path from the secondary side to ground or the primary side.  The secondary side generates  over 25,000 volts, and the reason for all coil failures is insulation failure.  There is no way to  check insulation failure with out using a hi pot tester of some sort, testing it at voltage level to  look for high voltage shorting. If a coil is getting weak, it will first show up when it is under load  as in heavy acceleration.  That is when the coil must work the most to push a spark through a dense  mixture in the cylinder.  Even though the secondary voltage is higher at lower RPM, from more time to  charge the primary, the spark path through the plugs is usually the easiest path.  If the coil is bad  enough to short at idle, it would not run well under load, more than likely not fire the plugs at all.
 
It is sounding like a IAC control circuit, feedback circuit or IAC is getting stuck or bound.  Might  check the TPS to be sure computer is getting throttle closed signal from the TPS
 
Jim
91 RT TT
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:07:04 -0500
From: "Jim Fay" <jfay@tssu.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
 
How do I check the primary resistance?  In the cd manual, it has a little 4 square thing where you  hook up one of the ohm-meter leads to the #3 and then check the #2 for coil A, #1 for coil B, and #4  for coil C.  I don't know where this is at??
 
This is the plug that goes to the transistor pack.  It is more accessible to check directly at the  bottom of the coils where the wires are on studs at the coil.  the little plastic cover can be pried  off that covers the studs. The catch is between the entry of the wires.  Small screw driver to lift it  away and it will fall off.  In my previous note, I called this the primary side, as technically it is  the input side.
 

My second question is about resistance of the plug wires.  For plug wire #1, it checked out at 6.8  (manual says 8.6), #3 checked at 7.6 (spec = 6.4), #5 checked at 3.7 (spec = 4.5).  Do these seem  fine?  The wires are less than a year old, but it was a little after I had the front ones replaced  that the issues started popping up.  I had Jacobs Electronics wires and bought a spark plug cover  which wouldn't fit with the fatter JE wires, so I replaced the front ones first, then a little while  ago the rear ones.
 
The plug wire resistance is not an issue, usually.  It is common to have an insulation failure so that  the spark energy finds the ground path around the plug by taking a 'short' cut through the wire  insulation.
 

Is there any other way to check if the coils are working other than checking the primary and secondary  resistances?
 
Since it is intermittent and works fine sometimes, but not at others, I don't think you will find your  solution looking at the coils.  But without High voltage equipment, the secondary or output side of  the coils (plug wire side) can not be verified.
 
I've had three coil failures on the 36 coil.  Starts as missing under high load conditions.  Does not  drop a code on the computer until it really fails and misses under cruise conditions.  Even then,  never shut off or failed to idle.  I take it you have no check engine lights? Resetting the ECM cures  it for a while, and it gradually returns?  Will think on that for a bit, but nothing pops to mind.   The post on changing the caps is valid.  The ECM caps are known to leak and corrode the 1100 dollar  ECM.  Sometimes to a non repairable condition.  When the ECM starts to corrode, strange things happen.   I got scared and changed mine Tuesday eve. Took about three hrs and that included getting parts from  the store and snacking.
 
Get a volt ohm meter if you plan to keep the car.  GOOD ones can be found for under 30 bucks at pawn  shops (as well as lots of tools).
 
Keep us up to date
 
And if TPS does not send throttle closed signal to ECM, it will not know to start the AIC cir up.
 
Jim
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:39:04 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Clutch and Brake Booster Vacuum Hoses
 
Anyone know (or care to speculate) why there are two separate vacuum hoses on the AWD models for the  clutch and brake boosters?  They both are the same
diameter(3/8"ID?) and both have check valves in them, but they come off the plenum in different  places.
 
I know that the HKS VPC installation instructions advocate removing the brake booster hose and  connecting the brake booster to the clutch booster hose via a tee fitting (clutch booster remains  connected, too).  Anyone see any problem with running both off of the same 3/8" ID hose?  The only  thing I can think of is air volume (may not be a problem) and redundancy.
 
Ideas?  Safe to connect the brake booster hose to the clutch hose and free up a port on the plenum for  other stuff?
 
- --Erik
'95 VR-4 with too many things that need to see manifold pressure
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:29:50 EDT
From: GMightymoose@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: clutch related topic
 
Hey guys, somewhat new to the list here.  I have a 1992 VR4 that is giving me
 
some problems.  First off, its most likely clutch related (clutch is a little
 
over 1 yr. old, very little miles- not driven hard at all)  Gears 1, 2, and
5th are not affected, only 3-4th are my problem areas- it feels as if the car
 
is holding back, almost as if the clutch isn't fully engaging (it hesitates) 
 
Now, if I do drive the car hard, the car does fine.  Only under normal
driving does this condition occur.  I've checked a few things: clutch fluid,
clutch pedal, and MAS, all seem fine. Also where is the best place to find
the best price on an RPS carbon claw or turbo clutch? If anyone has any
suggestions as to
what one should check or any clues as to what it may be; please let me know. 
 
As always any and all info is greatly appreciated
 
James
 
99 & 92 VR4
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anthony Tse <tse1631@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Sway Bar Bushing
 
Hi: The lower stock sway bar bushing on my 92 VR4
shows it age and there is some play on it. The link
below show some polyurethane bushings. Are they good &
which one will fit our cars?
http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=36715&BQ=jcw2
 Anthony
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:42:08 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: clutch related topic
 
I wish I had time to contribute more, but unfortunately...
I do not think the clutch has any relevance.  A 1 yr old clutch never driven hard probably has 90%  life left on it.  Also, the clutch would not cause a hesitation, but only shifting problems (gear to  gear) or slipping (engine revs but car does not accelerate).  Stick with the stock clutch until you  exceed 400hp.  (trust me....)
 
The prob may be hard to see in the other gears due to their sensitivity and typical rpm range.  Try to  explain in more detail what the hesitation is like, and when it happens.  (hot, cold, low rpm, heavy  load, etc)
 
Best,
Ken
 
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White Stealth RT/TT
3Si Rochester (NY)
FIPK, HKS Dual Exhaust
AVC-R (1.2bar), Triad Alky Injection
Improved Precats
HKS SSBOV
Cusco Rear Strut Bar, Konig Flight 17"
6 speed conversion, RPS Stage II
Aiwa MP3 Stereo
007KEN spark plug plate, license plates
ASC sunroof, white Ram emblem
98/99 COOLANT TANK (6/26/02)
Best (pathetic) time:
13.5 @ 104mph (1.2 bar w/ poorly tuned alky)
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On
> Behalf Of GMightymoose@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:30 PM
> To: Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st
> Subject: Team3S: clutch related topic
>
> Hey guys, somewhat new to the list here.  I have a 1992 VR4 that is
> giving me some problems.  First off, its most likely clutch related
> (clutch is a little over 1 yr. old, very little miles - not driven
> hard at all)  Gears 1, 2, and 5th are not affected, only 3-4th are
> my problem areas- it feels as if the car is holding back, almost as
> if the clutch isn't fully engaging (it hesitates)
>
> Now, if I do drive the car hard, the car does fine.  Only under normal
> driving does this condition occur.  I've checked a few things: clutch
> fluid, clutch pedal, and MAS, all seem fine. Also where is the best
> place to find the best price on an RPS carbon claw or turbo clutch?
> If anyone has any suggestions as to what one should check or any
> clues as to what it may be; please let me know.
>
> As always any and all info is greatly appreciated
>
> James
>
> 99 & 92 VR4
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:50:54 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Checking Coil Resistance, tps
 
thanks for your replies Jim,
 
The local Autozone guy was saying maybe it was the TPS, but I'm curious as to why that would be.  I'm  not too familiar with what the TPS does, although it sounds like it tells the computer how hard you  are stepping on the gas :) Anyways, why could this lead to idle problems where it dies at idle?  It  seems to me that a bad TPS could lead to poor acceleration maybe, but I don't understand how it would  affect idling.  It seems that regardless of where the throttle is at (from 0 to 100) it would never be  somewhere that the car would sense was a place it needs to shut the car off at. ??
 
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fay
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:11 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Checking Coil Resistance
 
Bill
 
Checking primary resistance is easy, as you found out from the book.  The secondary side is measured  between the two plug wire holes, and unless it is open circuit, it will not tell you much.  It should  be small resistance, close to zero to get the high discharge rate to generate a spark.  There should  be no other path from the secondary side to ground or the primary side.  The secondary side generates  over 25,000 volts, and the reason for all coil failures is insulation failure.  There is no way to  check insulation failure with out using a hi pot tester of some sort, testing it at voltage level to  look for high voltage shorting. If a coil is getting weak, it will first show up when it is under load  as in heavy acceleration.  That is when the coil must work the most to push a spark through a dense  mixture in the cylinder.  Even though the secondary voltage is higher at lower RPM, from more time to  charge the primary, the spark path through the plugs is usually the easiest path.  If the coil is bad  enough to short at idle, it would not run well under load, more than likely not fire the plugs at all.
 
It is sounding like a IAC control circuit, feedback circuit or IAC is getting stuck or bound.  Might  check the TPS to be sure computer is getting throttle closed signal from the TPS
 
Jim
91 RT TT
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:28:51 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: Intellitronix Fuel Pressure Gauge
 
Anyone have one of these?  I have one that I got a while back and I lost the install directions.   Anyone have the wiring diagram they can share with me? I figured out that the red on the gauge is  positive 12V input, black is ground.  Beyond that, I've got a purple wire and orange wire on the  gauge.  The sender has a black and a red wire.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:52:30 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: clutch related topic
 
Not enough info to give you an answer but take a look at Jeff Lucius' site and you
can get some additional info or the AWD system --- the link below shows the
transmission internals which have 3rd and 4th on the input shaft and 1st, 5th and reverse on the  intermediate shaft --- maybe a trans problem.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd2.htm
 
        Jim Berry =======================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <GMightymoose@aol.com>
To: <Team3S@Stealth-3000GT.st>
 
> Hey guys, somewhat new to the list here.  I have a 1992 VR4 that is
> giving me some problems.  First off, its most likely clutch related
> (clutch is a little over 1 yr. old, very little miles - not driven
> hard at all)  Gears 1, 2, and 5th are not affected, only 3-4th are
> my problem areas- it feels as if the car is holding back, almost as
> if the clutch isn't fully engaging (it hesitates)
>
> Now, if I do drive the car hard, the car does fine.  Only under normal
> driving does this condition occur.  I've checked a few things: clutch
> fluid, clutch pedal, and MAS, all seem fine. Also where is the best
> place to find the best price on an RPS carbon claw or turbo clutch?
> If anyone has any suggestions as to what one should check or any
> clues as to what it may be; please let me know.
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:21:00 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <billvp@highstream.net>
Subject: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
 
Hello,
 
This has been going on for a while now, and really makes me hate my car ('91
R/T tt).  As the title suggests, if the rpms drop rapidly (for instance,
when pushing in the clutch pedal while driving), then they keep dropping all
the way to 0.  Also, the car at idle will sometimes be idling fine, then all
of a sudden die.  It will sometimes hunt a little up and down .... sometimes
it will then steady and all is well, but sometimes it will drop too low on
one of its "hunts" and the car will die.
 
Things I have replaced in the last year or so since this has been happening
that have not solved the problem (some to try to solve this, some for other
reasons):
 
1.  replaced all vacuum lines
2.  replaced IAC
3.  replaced alternator, alternator belt, battery
4.  replaced capacitors on ECU
5.  new plugs, wires
6.  new fuel pump, injectors
7.  replaced MAS with the VPC setup
8.  cleaned throttle body with throttle-body-spray cleaner
9.  used seafoam through brake booster line
I may be forgetting some other things also.
 
thanks for any help,
Bill
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:16:41 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Calling all gonzo engine dudes
 
I ran into (not literally, of course) a dude (a state senator, no less) running a car with stickers  all over it proclaiming "alternate fuel," Hydro-power," and "E85 Ethanol," an 85% ethanol/15% gasoline  mix.
 
He says to run the E85 ethanol, you have to have a car that's set up for it, such as some of the newer  alternate fuel cars.  He showed me a Hydro-power unit in the trunk, which allegedly extracts hydrogen  from ordinary water, and feeds it to the intake air system.
 
Ordinarily, I'd pass all this off as tree-hugger environmental bullshit, except for a couple of  things:
 
1. I heard somewhere that ethanol is particularly good for turbo engines, because it burns at a cooler  temperature. Does this mean ethanol is good for us?
 
2. Hydro-Power? Hydrogen for intake air? Hmmm. Better than propane? Better than water/alcohol  injection? Any benefit to our cars here?
 
I thought I might look into this in more detail, seeing as how I live in the Ethanol capital of the  world (Iowa), the Hydro-Power guy is here too, and I have a few phone numbers at my disposal. It's  quite possible I could score some cool fuel. So, what should I ask these people? For example, could we  run big boost on E85 ethanol with hydrogen injection?
 
What do all you engine gonzo huge-horsepower big boost dudes need to know before you'd use it?
 
Give me some ammunition and interesting questions to ask, and I'll investigate.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:49:07 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
 
Build a intake pressure tester and test your intake.  This will show you
every vacuum leak that you have.  This may show source of your problem or it
may just get your car in tune better.  Either way, it is worth it for the
$30 worth in parts that you use to put it together.
 
Go to Jeff's site for instructions.  I would recommend adding a 1/4" brass
ball valve to the pressure tester.  It was more convenient for me to turn the
valve than using my finger to hold the pressure in as I was looking for
leaks.  Also, you really don't need a gauge.  Every time I went over about 8
psi, it blew the pressure tester off.  You can find all the leaks that you
need to with just 5 psi.
 
http://www.stealth316.com/
 
Doug
92 Stealth RT TT
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:54:42 -0700
From: Damon Rachell <damonr@mefas.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Calling all gonzo engine dudes
 
Well, that guy's either got a flux capacitor in his car or he's pulling
your chain a bit.
 
First:  Yes, E85 is a quality fuel with some great inherent properties
such as naturally high octane, roughly 100-104.  Problem with alcohol is
that it's energy capacity is somewhat less than gas.  Therefore, it
takes 1.x gallons of alcohol to produce the same power as 1 gallon of
gasoline.  So, for high boost applications, it's quality, and the
ability to make power is definitely there, as shown by the
alcohol-burning funny cars pulling 5sec quarters!  Injectors, pumps,
engine seals, and more need to be converted to deliver those quantities
of fuel reliably.  Alcohol doesn't have the natural lubrication
properties that gas does.
 
Second:  converting water into hydrogen is quite feasible, and is called
hydrolysis.  Only problem is that it requires considerable amounts of
electricity.  Perhaps the car has a regenerative braking system that
supplies the power.  BS factor:  the other byproduct of hydrolysis is
oxygen!!!  why bother with intake air if you've already got your
oxidizer present?
 
Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future because it's clean burning, cut
likely won't be burnt to power vehicles.  When hydrogen combines with
oxygen, it releases an electron, which can be used to power electric
vehicles quite efficiently.  Currently, though fuel cell technology is
not cost effective, though.
 
Hope this helps a bit.
Damon
 
merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
 
> I ran into (not literally, of course) a dude (a state senator, no less) running a car with stickers  all over it proclaiming "alternate fuel," Hydro-power," and "E85 Ethanol," an 85% ethanol/15% gasoline  mix.
>
> He says to run the E85 ethanol, you have to have a car that's set up for it, such as some of the  newer alternate fuel cars.  He showed me a Hydro-power unit in the trunk, which allegedly extracts  hydrogen from ordinary water, and feeds it to the intake air system.
>
> Ordinarily, I'd pass all this off as tree-hugger environmental bullshit, except for a couple of  things:
>
> 1. I heard somewhere that ethanol is particularly good for turbo engines, because it burns at a  cooler temperature. Does this mean ethanol is good for us?
>
> 2. Hydro-Power? Hydrogen for intake air? Hmmm. Better than propane? Better than water/alcohol  injection? Any benefit to our cars here?
>
> I thought I might look into this in more detail, seeing as how I live in the Ethanol capital of the  world (Iowa), the Hydro-Power guy is here too, and I have a few phone numbers at my disposal. It's  quite possible I could score some cool fuel. So, what should I ask these people? For example, could we  run big boost on E85 ethanol with hydrogen injection?
>
> What do all you engine gonzo huge-horsepower big boost dudes need to know before you'd use it?
>
> Give me some ammunition and interesting questions to ask, and I'll investigate.
>
> Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:03:55 -0700
From: "fastmax" <fastmax@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Calling all gonzo engine dudes
 
Take a look at this site ---- the basic premise is correct, as pointed out it's called electrolysis.
In his case he's converted it to a perpetual motion machine --- just add water.  LOL, people
buy into this stuff because he uses some equations and pseudo-science to make a point.
Can he generate hydrogen --- yes. Can he run a car with it absolutely not. Can he assist
his car's performance --- not with this setup. You could probably generate enough hydrogen
to help performance with a trunk load of batteries but they would have to be recharged and
the weight would probably make performance worse.
 
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/waterfuel.htm
 
        Jim Berry
==============================================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
 
> I ran into (not literally, of course) a dude (a state senator, no less) running a car with stickers  all over it proclaiming "alternate fuel," Hydro-power," and "E85 Ethanol," an 85% ethanol/15% gasoline  mix.
 
> He says to run the E85 ethanol, you have to have a car that's set up for it, such as some of the  newer alternate fuel cars.  He showed me a Hydro-power unit in the trunk, which allegedly extracts  hydrogen from ordinary water, and feeds it to the intake air system.
 
> Ordinarily, I'd pass all this off as tree-hugger environmental bullshit, except for a couple of  things:
 
> 1. I heard somewhere that ethanol is particularly good for turbo engines, because it burns at a  cooler temperature. Does this mean ethanol is good for us?
 
> 2. Hydro-Power? Hydrogen for intake air? Hmmm. Better than propane? Better than water/alcohol  injection? Any benefit to our cars here?
 
> I thought I might look into this in more detail, seeing as how I live in the Ethanol capital of the  world (Iowa), the Hydro-Power guy is here too, and I have a few phone numbers at my disposal. It's  quite possible I could score some cool fuel. So, what should I ask these people? For example, could we  run big boost on E85 ethanol with hydrogen injection?
 
> What do all you engine gonzo huge-horsepower big boost dudes need to know before you'd use it?
 
> Give me some ammunition and interesting questions to ask, and I'll investigate.
 
> Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:35:11 -0700
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
 
I checked my coils, and I do have the shop manual. Please bear with me. I am
very busy right now. I'll try to go into detail when business slows down.
 
Let me get you a starting hint though. DO NOT trust the shop manual spec.
It's off.
 
Riyan
93 stealth rt tt
(ended up buying a new coil pack for no reason, and I still do have my old
ones)
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: List/WWW downtime notice
 
Speedtoys.Com is moving.
 
This is critical to our continued growth.
 
DSL and power bills add up to about $500/mo, and I cant pocket it anymore.
 
I am moving to a friendly co-location service, we'll also enjoy more
bandwidth..a little more.  :)
 
The server will be taken down on Sunday afternoon, mirrored to another
storage medium for disaster recover purposes, and shipped out via 2-day
freight on Monday.
 
With luck, around Thursday AM it'll just turn back on and serve things
right up.
 
Email will be queued.
 
DNS has already been managed, and the new IP will be in place moments,
before I shut the server down.  The propagation of the new IP will take
place during shipping..so no spotty outages.
 
gemohler and orders@speedtoys.com will still work.
 
Everyone's personal mail will be queued and re-sent to you when Im back
online.  This is a process I will do by-hand for you.
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:34:20 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Autocrossing on Yoko 032s
 
I will be running a Corvette club autocross this weekend on my Yoko 032R race tires.
 
I know how to set them up for a road race (37 psi front, 38  rear), but I don't know much about  autocrossing. Going out on cold tires with cold brakes is not something I relish, but I can't pass up  the chance to run against Corvettes at one of their national points events.
 
Tell me, o autocross dudes: what tire pressures should I run? I can chalk the tires and all, but I  need to learn your secret set up formula for cold tires.
 
The course is one lap of a half mile paved oval (coned down to the low groove), then one lap of the  inner paved quarter mile oval, then another lap of the half mile oval. I plan to pump the right side  tires up to 40 psi and lower the inside tires to 36 psi as a starting point, but I welcome any advice  from experienced 'crossers who run these tires.
 
We ran some practice laps last week, but the lure of running the big oval outweighed the need to  practice the low groove, so I didn't get much practice down low.
 
All advice welcome.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:37:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Autocrossing on Yoko 032s
 
You'll have fun.
 
However..they'll kill ya.
 
Sadly, a SuperStock vette is still much better at autox, than a BSP VR4.
:(
 
Possibly even a full-weight MOD class entry.
 
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, merritt@cedar-rapids.net wrote:
 
> I will be running a Corvette club autocross this weekend on my Yoko 032R race tires.
 
> I know how to set them up for a road race (37 psi front, 38  rear), but I don't know much about  autocrossing. Going out on cold tires with cold brakes is not something I relish, but I can't pass up  the chance to run against Corvettes at one of their national points events.
 
> Tell me, o autocross dudes: what tire pressures should I run? I can chalk the tires and all, but I  need to learn your secret set up formula for cold tires.
 
> The course is one lap of a half mile paved oval (coned down to the low groove), then one lap of the  inner paved quarter mile oval, then another lap of the half mile oval. I plan to pump the right side  tires up to 40 psi and lower the inside tires to 36 psi as a starting point, but I welcome any advice  from experienced 'crossers who run these tires.
 
> We ran some practice laps last week, but the lure of running the big oval outweighed the need to  practice the low groove, so I didn't get much practice down low.
 
> All advice welcome.
 
> Rich/slow old poop
 
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:29:24 -0700
From: "Riyan Mynuddin" <riyan@hotpop.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: OT!! I need some quick advice from a lawyer PLEASE!!!
 
Just common sense--don't discuss this at all with your neighbors. Even if
you think that your case is solid enough to convince them to drop the court
case, don't say NOTHING. In fact, you may even want to act pitiful and
afraid so that they get overconfident. And by the way, have fun winning in
court. I wonder if you could get them to pay your attorney fees in addition
to your own when you win??
 
Riyan
 
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:36:20 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
 
+> Build a intake pressure tester and test your intake.  This will show you
+> every vacuum leak that you have.  This may show source of your problem or it
+> may just get your car in tune better.  Either way, it is worth it for the
+> $30 worth in parts that you use to put it together.
+>
+> Go to Jeff's site for instructions.  I would recommend adding a 1/4" brass
+> ball valve to the pressure tester.  It was more convenient for me to turn the
+> valve than using my finger to hold the pressure in as I was looking for
+> leaks.  Also, you really don't need a gauge.  Every time I went over about 8
+> psi, it blew the pressure tester off.  You can find all the leaks that you
+> need to with just 5 psi.
 
negative.  you'll find plenty more as the pressure goes up.  been there
done that.  just cut a small groove around the OD of the PVC that
slides into the rubber coupler.  about a 1/4"-1/2" in from the end will
do it.  doesn't have to be that deep either.  maybe 1/16"-1/8"  gives
the rubber coupler something to bite into when the ring clamp is
tightened around it (the rubber gets squished into the groove and
provides friction).  I've pressurized up to 25psi and the tester stayed
put for over 10 minutes. 
 
+> http://www.stealth316.com/
 
I must admit, Jeff's tester looks a _LOT_ nicer than mine...  :)
 
btw, from the bottom of Jeff's pressure tester page,
 
"Next, I will try to use a tire valve as the fitting on the cleanout plug
so that the tester can be used anywhere your tires can be filled. I'll
update this web page after I see if this works or not. "
 
that's what I did..  can use a bicycle tire pump too..  works fine.  :)
 
Dave
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:06:23 -0700
From: "Michael, Sharon & Dashiell Rhoden" <rhoden@easystreet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Anyone have a Q45 to trade for a VR4?
 
My driving (and passenger carrying) needs have changed over the last few
months, so I'm looking to change cars.  I have a '92 VR4, well treated,
unmodified, in good condition with 109k.  I'm looking for a 94-96 Q45t or
Q45a.  Anyone out there in the Atlanta area who wants to trade their
luxury/sport Q45 for a sport/luxury VR4?
 
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