Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Thursday, September 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number
956
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Ryan,
Try this site
http://johnmonnin.netfirms.com/ECUrepair.html
very good detailed information on capacitor replacement. I purchased my
caps. locally at Cumberland Electronics here in Harrisburg PA. . Maybe
there is some electronics supply place in your area that sells them so you would
not have to pay freight to ship in $2.00 worth of capacitors. Good
Luck,
David Thrower
92 Stealth R/T TT
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:04:32 -0400
From: "Starkey, Jr., Joseph"
<
starkeyje@bipc.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
When you cleaned your throttle body, did you make sure you didn't get any
cleaner in the little holes before the throttle plate? If not,
something could have gotten down in there and blocked things up.
You'll need to take the TB off to clean it out.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill vp
[mailto:billvp@highstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:33
PM
To: Starkey, Jr., Joseph
Cc: team3/S
Subject: RE: Team3S: car dying
at idle and rapid rpm dropping
thanks for the replies everyone
I have (15k mile) new o2 sensors, the screw is indeed there, and I used the
seafoam stuff to clean the throttle body.
Another thing that I meant to mention in the first place is that if I
disconnect the battery cable, then reconnect it, it seems to solve the
problem for a while, then gets progressively worse, and about 3-4 days
(400 miles or so) later is back to the full problem again. I'm not sure if
that helps or not, but figured I'd mention it.
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf Of Starkey, Jr., Joseph
Sent:
Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:17 PM
To: Bill vp; team3/S
Subject: RE:
Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
Bill, you might want to check the following:
1. All Intercooler piping to make sure there are no
leaks;
2. The O2 Sensors
3. The Idle Adjustment
Screw to make sure it's still there;
4. Clean the throttle body
and plenum of carbon deposits.
See if those help.
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:49:22 -0700
From: "BlackLight" <
BlackLight@Planetice.net>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: OT!! I need some quick advice from a lawyer PLEASE!!!
Well it's started. I talked to everyone including my home owner's insurance
agent and everyone says that I'm not responsible. So I go and tell my
neighbor and then they say "Well were not sure the cat started out in your
yard." And then proceeded to tell me that we would be receiving a letter
from their attorney. She also said their neighbor told them that our dog
was in their yard the other morning and that he has been getting out or
something. Funny thing because we have been keeping him INSIDE so how
could he be in the neighbor's yard??!! This whole thing stinks.
Am I wrong in assuming that they would have to prove beyond doubt that the
dog did in fact get out of the yard and then drag their NOT DEAD cat back
into our yard without killing it, and then the neighbor came back into our
yard to get the injured cat? Furthermore, the neighbor stated that he heard the
dog barking in our yard and that is why he came into our yard in the first
place? If my dog had been out, don't you think he would have heard the dog
chasing the cat and barking on his property before he heard the dog
barking on mine? My home owners insurance covers lawyer fees, so I'm just
worried about how good of a lawyer they provide.
Any other comments / ideas??
- -----Original Message-----
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, BlackLight
wrote:
> I was hoping I could find a lawyer to give me some quick advice, I
am
> not going to use the advice in court or anything, I just need to know
> if I can be held responsible in ANY way and if so what I should
do.
>
> Here's my situation. We own a lab/pit mix dog and our
neighbor's car
> got into our yard and our dog got it. The cat is not
dead, but close
> enough, the vet bill *would* be about $2000 and he
expects us to pay
> it. This neighbor is a real bully type, my next door
neighbor hates
> him (they live next to each other), threatened my wife
basically and
> scared her to death saying that he has already talked to
his lawyer
> and we better do something "or else". My wife is a vet tech,
and every
> doctor at work says that we are not responsible at all, I just want
to
> make sure there are no legal exceptions.
>
> Here is the
thing, a while ago (month or so?) our dog got out of the
> yard (wife left
the gate open) and he brought our dog back into our
> yard, he claims
that he was chasing the cat around then, but did not
> catch him. And the
other day when the cat came into our yard, the
> neighbor came into our
yard to get his cat cause he claims he heard
> the dog barking a whole
lot and making a big fuss. We had company over
> that day and she heard him bark once or twice and that was it. So
now
> he's saying our dog is a vicious child killing pit bull (loves
people,
> has NEVER come even CLOSE to EVER biting a person, he just goes
after
> small animals (cats, mice, and squirrels, he's caught one of each)
> like all those kinds of dogs (hunters, hounds, whatever).
>
> So, I'm not sure what he had in mind with talking to his lawyer
and
> "or else" but everything I have heard is he cant do anything legally
> since the cat was in our yard. Is there anything I am missing that he
> can do?? I have given all the info I can think of pertaining to
this.
>
> Matt Nelson
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:03:30 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: 3S-Racers: RE: OT!! I need some quick advice from a lawyer PL
EASE!!!
The unfortunate thing is that your homeowners insurance company may decide
to settle with the lying bastard rather than pay the cost of litigation.
This often happens with fake automobile medical claims, as my insurance
company did with the lying sack of sh#t that ran into me and three kids in
an intersection in the rain, when he had no headlights or wipers and was
speeding in his hoopdie car that crumpled my GSX. His hoopdie had a
scratched bumper and one broken headlight (he doesn't use them in the rain
anyhow). He had absolutely nothing wrong with him until he found a crooked
lawyer. BOHICA!
Chuck Willis
Am I wrong in assuming that they would have to prove beyond doubt that the
dog did in fact get out of the yard and then drag their NOT DEAD cat back
into our yard without killing it, and then the neighbor came back into our
yard to get the injured cat? Furthermore, the neighbor stated that he heard the
dog barking in our yard and that is why he came into our yard in the first
place? If my dog had been out, don't you think he would have heard the dog
chasing the cat and barking on his property before he heard the dog
barking on mine? My home owners insurance covers lawyer fees, so I'm just
worried about how good of a lawyer they provide.
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:08:28 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <
billvp@highstream.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
Surely someone on here has checked their coils before. How did you do
it?
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf Of Bill vp
Sent: Tuesday, September
17, 2002 2:49 PM
To: team3/S
Subject: Team3S: checking resistance of
coils, wires
Hello team3S
I have been having some problems with my car ('91 R/T tt) dying at idle, or
under rapid rpm decelerations (such as pushing the clutch in). I
made a different post asking about that. The manual said that the
coils or wires could be the cause of that. Anyways, I took off the coils
and the front plug wires and took them down to my local Autozone (I don't
have an
ohm-meter) to get them checked. They checked the secondary
resistance, and they were all pegged at around 13.3 or so, well in range
of spec (11.31 - 15.30).
How do I check the primary resistance? In the cd manual, it has a
little 4 square thing where you hook up one of the ohm-meter leads to the
#3 and then check the #2 for coil A, #1 for coil B, and #4 for coil
C. I don't know where this is at??
My second question is about resistance of the plug wires. For plug
wire #1, it checked out at 6.8 (manual says 8.6), #3 checked at 7.6 (spec
= 6.4), #5 checked at 3.7 (spec = 4.5). Do these seem fine?
The wires are less than a year old, but it was a little after I had the front
ones replaced that the issues started popping up. I had Jacobs
Electronics wires and bought a spark plug cover which wouldn't fit with
the fatter JE wires, so I replaced the front ones first, then a little
while ago the rear ones.
Is there any other way to check if the coils are working other than
checking the primary and secondary resistances?
thanks for any help :)
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:09:02 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <
billvp@highstream.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
anyone else have any suggestions? I really need some.
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf Of Bill vp
Sent: Tuesday, September
17, 2002 2:56 PM
To: team3/S
Subject: Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid
rpm dropping
Hello,
This has been going on for a while now, and really makes me hate my car
('91 R/T tt). As the title suggests, if the rpms drop rapidly (for
instance, when pushing in the clutch pedal while driving), then they keep
dropping all the way to 0. Also, the car at idle will sometimes be idling
fine, then all of a sudden die. It will sometimes hunt a little up
and down .... sometimes it will then steady and all is well, but sometimes
it will drop too low on one of its "hunts" and the car will die.
Things I have replaced in the last year or so since this has been happening
that have not solved the problem (some to try to solve this, some for
other
reasons):
1. replaced all vacuum lines
2. replaced IAC
3.
replaced alternator, alternator belt, battery
4. replaced capacitors on
ECU
5. new plugs, wires
6. new fuel pump,
injectors
7. replaced MAS with the VPC setup
I may be forgetting
some other things also.
I have another post asking about how to check the primary resistance of the
coils, to see if the coils are possibly bad, which the manual says is one
of the things to check for this.
thanks for any help,
Bill
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:21:00 -0700
From: Andrew Woll <
awoll1@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: car dying at idle and rapid rpm dropping
While your engine is idling, take off your oil cap (where the oil is poured
in). Cover the opening loosely or have someone hold a rag over it. Make
sure it is open to the air. See if you have a change in symptom. This same
thing happened to me and it took forever to find it was a air leak into
the valve cover and in my case the leak came through the oil filler place.
I don't remember where the pcv valve enters the system on our cars. Look
carefully at it. It is a very cheap part and is easy to replace. Even if
you have already replaced it, I would replace it again.
| anyone else have any suggestions? I really need some.
|
|
-----Original Message-----
| From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On
| Behalf Of Bill vp
| Sent: Tuesday,
September 17, 2002 2:56 PM
| To: team3/S
| Subject: Team3S: car dying at
idle and rapid rpm dropping
|
| Hello,
|
| This has been going on
for a while now, and really makes me hate my
| car ('91 R/T tt). As
the title suggests, if the rpms drop rapidly (for
| instance, when pushing
in the clutch pedal while driving), then they
| keep dropping all the way to
0. Also, the car at idle will sometimes
| be idling fine, then all of a
sudden die. It will sometimes hunt a
| little up and down ....
sometimes it will then steady and all is well,
| but sometimes it will drop
too low on one of its "hunts" and the car
| will die.
|
| Things I have
replaced in the last year or so since this has been happening
| that have not
solved the problem (some to try to solve this, some for other
|
reasons):
|
| 1. replaced all vacuum lines
| 2. replaced
IAC
| 3. replaced alternator, alternator belt, battery
| 4.
replaced capacitors on ECU
| 5. new plugs, wires
| 6. new fuel
pump, injectors
| 7. replaced MAS with the VPC setup
| I may be
forgetting some other things also.
|
| I have another post asking about
how to check the primary resistance
| of the coils, to see if the coils are
possibly bad, which the manual
| says is one of the things to check for
this.
|
| thanks for any help,
| Bill
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:46:12 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <
mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
> Surely someone on here has checked their coils before. How did
you do it?
Replace them and see if the problem goes away.
You can check resistance on the coils and all that, but if they pass those
checks they can still be bad when under load.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:22:01 -0400
From: "Ken Stanton" <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
Absolutely.
I would check the message board at 3si.org, see who's
parting out a car and has some coil packs with low mileage. Ppl sell
stuff cheap on there. Also, you may want to consider biting the bullet and
pulling the plenum off again. Check the rear plugs, their condition, the
wires, and so on. I know how much of a pain it is, but if that's
when it started, that's where you start. Best of luck.
Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On
> Behalf Of Matt Jannusch
>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:46 PM
> To: Bill vp; team3/S
>
Subject: Re: Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
>
> >
Surely someone on here has checked their coils before. How did
> you
do it?
>
> Replace them and see if the problem goes
away.
>
> You can check resistance on the coils and all that, but if
they pass
> those checks they can still be bad when under
load.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:17:27 -0400
From: "Bill vp" <
billvp@highstream.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: checking resistance of coils, wires
well I was told previously by mitsupartsdirect.com that the coil packs were
different for the '91 cars than for the rest, so I would have to buy a new
set, since I wouldn't want to throw a used set from a '91 on them.
Is there not any way to check them except for the resistance way? And
again :) how do you check the primary resistance.
Absolutely.
I would check the message board at 3si.org, see who's
parting out a car and has some coil packs with low mileage. ........
Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@team3s.com
[mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On
> Behalf Of Matt Jannusch
> >
Surely someone on here has checked their coils before. How did
> you
do it?
>
> Replace them and see if the problem goes
away.
>
> You can check resistance on the coils and all that, but if
they pass
> those checks they can still be bad when under
load.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:00:55 -0400
From: "Team3S Admin" <
Team3S@bobforrest.com>
Subject:
Team3S: AMIN Notice-- RE: OT!! I need some quick advice from a lawyer
PLEASE!!!
This kind of post may be appropriate for the chat lists, but Team3S is NOT
one of them. Our rules are very clear about only technical posts
being allowed. Only in an emergency do we permit this kind of
Off-Topic post. ONE post..., and a couple of replies... Not to open it for
general discussion. But it is NOT acceptable to turn it into a
long-running thread!
Now maybe you know why we (usually) try to keep a tight reign on things...
One person comments, then everyone in the world thinks it's OK. It's
NOT. The original OT emergency post was a call for help - we not only
allowed it, but an Admin even chipped in with advice. That's fine, as were
a couple of replies to establish a private "support base". But cool
it! Enough is enough.
We are now receiving complaints from members, and rightly so. This is
NOT what we're about, especially since we are an international
group. Some of our members would just eat the damn dog and be done
with it. Unless that cat and dog are named Stealth and 3000GT, we don't
want a whole thread about it. We've all had our problems with
lawyers. (I even own a pair of lawyer-skin boots, and he has a condo
I paid for). But this is not the place for such discussions. If you
can help out, reply privately.
The Team3S list is for technical posts only. Please respect that
premise. Thanks!
Bob Forrest
for the Admins
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