Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth  Sunday, September 15 2002  Volume 01 : Number 953
 
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:59:45 -0600
From: Gabe Simoes <gabe92rttt@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: low oil pressure
 
My low oil pressure was cause by crankwalk.  The thrust washers fell out and at idle hardly any oil would pass through the crank, thus causing low oil pressure.  I doubt yours is that extreme since it is vary rare for a 3S to experience crankwalk, but just a thought.
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From: "Justin Sturgeon" <justinstur@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: Team3S: low oil pressure
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> does anyone know what might be the cause of the low oil pressure in my
> car at idle.  i have a 91 stealth r/t na.  it has 90k miles, new ecu/fuel
> filter/k&n fipk/timing belt/water pump/plugs/wires/ and then some.  oil
> pressure stays at the middle hash mark when i am driving, but after the car
> warms up- if it sits at a light the oil pressure drops almost the the bottom
> hash mark.  i also notice that the car has a very poor launch in this
> condition even with normal driving.  if i slowly bring the revs up, the
> pressure rises and it launces fine.  timing is good. any suggestions?
>
> thanks, Justin
 
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:52:53 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust - okay to leave one pre-cat
 
I have a Stillen down pipe with the re cat undegutted (?? -- means I did not gut it).
 
Runs fine.
 
Also, we can put it back to stock in case emission controls come along. I have the stock system sitting over in the corner of the garage, along with the entire stock dual exhaust system
 
When I put big turbos on, I will probably gut the cat.
 
Rich/slow old poop
 
>Eric Gross has that setup and he is not complaining.
 
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:23:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Stephen C. Kempf" <kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Strange overheating problem
 
I have a 1993 Stealth ES with no mods that I have owned since new and that has been very well taken care of. I've recently begun to have a "strange" overheating problem (see below) that I'm having trouble figuring out. Since my experience with repair shops suggests they have trouble sorting this car (often takes a long time or 2-4 tries to get it right) I'd like to get some ideas before I take it into the mechanic.
 
The car has 76K on it. I've changed the oil and filter every 3-4K since new and the engine purrs like a kitten. There's no smoke or steam in the exhaust. The water pump was replaced and the timing belt changed at about 60K and the radiator and all water hoses were replaced at about 68K. There are no coolant leaks and the fans come on when the air conditioning is turned on at idle (at this time of year the AC is on all the time). There are no leaves or other debris blocking the radiator.
 
Now for the problem. When I drive around town everything is OK, the temperature gauge holds at a little below the half way point which is where it normally is on this car, city or highway. When I get onto the interstate an get up to 70 mph or so, things may be OK for awhile, but then the temperature starts to climb and will usually hang at about 3/4 of the range of the gauge (normally I'd expect it to be at a little below the 1/2 way point as described above). If I get into a high load situation, such as climbing a hill, it goes higher. I haven't hit the red bar at the top of the gauge yet, but once it came awful close. For now, I just drive it around the city until the problem (whatever it is) can be fixed.
 
I'd appreciate any ideas that anyone can offer.
 
Thank you,
 
Steve Kempf
 
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:29:52 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Value of Car ( Buying - Selling a Stealth or 3000GT )
 
From: "Bradford J. Gay" <bradfordjgay@charter.net>
> Hey Guys,
> Just wondering if anyone would be willing to look at
> http://www.geocities.com/bradford.rm/carsforsale.html and tell me what
> they think the value of the 3000GT is.  Thanks. -Brad
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{ I'm making this reply a bit more detailed than normal, for other people who are considering selling or buying a turbo Stealth or 3000GT, (for our archives).  It's an highly personal view, but some of these points should be considered when you add mods to your car, since not all mods will be attractive to everyone else.  If you are shopping for a turbo 3S, it may help you make note of some things you should look for (or look to avoid)...}
 
Hey, Brad,
 
(Your geocities site started bombarding me with popups and cookies, so I only got a glimpse of the car before shutting it down...)  Since we're looking for a '94+ turbo 3S, I'm going to give you some "tough love" input, from one kind of potential "buyer-type".  We're looking for a turbo for street and track, and (like with our current '94 non-turbo), a car for us to take trips in.  We want red, and low mileage, and excellent condition, which is why I looked at yours.  "Low miles" and "great condition" are the best selling points for any car.
 
First thing I noticed was that the pic of the Eclipse (conveniently?) covers up your line, "and runs a verified 13.5 @ 105mph...".  It's a respectable time, but indicates that you raced the car - not a big selling point, even to those of us who race...  There may be other *younger* buyers out there who will appreciate all the mods you've added, but you should realize that not everyone considers all your mods to be "added value".  The Apexi, BOV, DN pipes, Magnacors, and K&N are the only 'valuable' mods to our "buyer's eye".
 
If the car were stock, the price range would be $20k (low) to $26k (dealer high).  But you lowered it too much to race, or even drive on anything but smooth roads (thanks, Intrax), then you put 19" wheels on it, and took away cargo space with a boom box.  Those BOZZ Speed Dual Cannons may be impressive to "fast & furious" types, but we wouldn't want to listen to that annoying rumble on a long trip.  And a buyer from any state that requires emissions tests will have to spend some big money to have the cats put back into the system.  None of which mods enhance the value of the car to "our kind" of buyer, even though they cost you serious money.  Unless someone who spots your ad happens to want *exactly* those mods, it will be difficult to recoup that part of your investment.  You need to hope for "the right buyer" to get back what the car is worth to you.
 
To most people, oversized wheels are useless except for show cars, so unless you find someone who wants it for show, those beautiful 19's actually *lower* the car's value.  Your sound system takes up precious cargo space, and prevents most people from even considering taking a trip in it, which further lowers the selling price.  {John Boyd has one of the best-modded red '93 TTs I've ever seen, with the second best sound system (that takes up the entire cargo area) I've ever heard - it's 4 years now that he can't find "the right" buyer.}  The non-stock front end similarly does nothing to bump up the price - probably the opposite.  Many of us don't like the '99 look, especially the spoiler.  And not all of us are fans of Indiglo gauges, either.
 
Obviously, you'd prefer to sell it "as is".  With any luck you'll find another young, single guy who never takes trips (or travels light), from a state that doesn't test emissions, who likes a loud exhaust and the '99 "look", and with $20k+ to burn for a 5-yr-old car that's been raced.  ;-)  But if you don't sell it right away, you may want to consider the following:
 
Remove the "boom box" part of the sound system, and sell it separately for what you can get for it.  Same for the wheels - put back the stock wheels and sell the 19" wheels separately.  Hopefully you'll find a young person who wants a (mostly) stock car that looks like "a kid owned this", (because of the newer front end).  I'm not casting aspersions against what *you* wanted YOUR car to be - that's your prerogative, and it was a valid personal statement. But most people who are looking for a recent VR-4 are *not* 19 and single, and they are looking for an unmodded, stock car.  Their "statement" is most likely going to be different than yours, and they'll want the option of choosing what their own "statement" will be.
 
I'd advertise it for $21k OBO ($22.5k with 19"-ers and sound) on the Team3S list, and for $23.5k on autotrader.com ($25k with 19"-ers and sound).  There *will* be others who want that kind of modded car, and maybe you'll get lucky. But if you don't get any takers right away (and you're in a hurry), I think you might end up getting more of your investment back by selling the 19's and boom box separately.  And you might sell the car faster in closer to stock "trim".
 
Again..., this is just one man's opinion - YMMV.  Good luck!
 
Forrest
 
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:22:11 -0400
From: "David Thrower" <repairerr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Strange overheating problem
 
Steve,
 Sounds like a bad thermostat! I have seen problems like this on other vehicles. While your there, flush the system and replace the coolant.  Good luck,
  Dave Thrower, 92 Stealth R/T TT
 
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:37:14 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Crash course in A-pillar gauges
 
I want to get 3 A-pillar gauges for my SL. . .EGT, oil temp, and intake
pressure.
 
How on earth do i hook them up?
 
thanx
mike
- -97 SL
 
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:06:18 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crash course in A-pillar gauges
 
Well, as far as I understand, an SL does not have any forced induction and therefore there is no intake pressure at all, you will never see any pressure ;-) Furthermore there is also a very low danger for high exhaust temperatures and you have no use for an EGT meter. Oil temp is ok although it will be pretty stable (again, no high power tuning).
 
If you just want to have gauges in an SL, then first install a vacuum meter with the vacuum line mounted in the rubber ellbow after the MAS. This tells you when the filter starts to become restrictive or is clogged up. Then maybe an A(F meter if you have any air/fuel equipment. Also a clock would be nice. And an FP meter if you play with the fuel pressure or a digital voltmeter to see when the alt or batt goes south. Maybe also water temp but you already have one.
 
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
 
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From: <M3000GTSL84@aol.com>
To: <team3s@team3s.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:37 AM
Subject: Team3S: Crash course in A-pillar gauges
 
> I want to get 3 A-pillar gauges for my SL. . .EGT, oil temp, and intake pressure.
>
> How on earth do i hook them up?
>
> thanx
> mike
> -97 SL
 
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:02:16 EDT
From: GaMoparRacing@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Help with clean up / fog lights
 
Thanks for the help.  But I have another question, how do I get my fog lights
on with my high beems and side markers?
 
Eric
 
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:19:24 +0200
From: Andrzej Artymowicz <andrzej.artymowicz@wp.pl>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth V1 #952
 
Hi!
 
I've got a problem with my '95 base (N/A). Yesterday I've found that
engine has difficulties to go beyond 2500-2600RPM range. Engine stops in
this RPM area. Sometimes on idle when I accelerate very slowly engine
behaves normally, but on driving conditions its very hard to drive. It's
not a problem with gasoline. I tried to disconnect batteries but it
doen't help either. Any recommendations?
 
thanks
 
andrzej from Poland
 
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:16:44 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: 91 Stealth TT for sale
 
Hey gang:
 
My beautiful daughter Cathy is going to give up her equally beautiful 91 Stealth TT.
She had a baby and her priorities have changed. It's four door time for them!
 
Before she puts it on E-bay, I thought we'd throw it out to the list.
 
This car is absolutely immaculate. This is a perfect car for anyone looking for a low mileage TT Stealth with all the correct mods -- chromies, Borla, DSBC, lowered, and a WARRANTY in effect  until January 2003.  It looks good, sounds good, and turns heads as it rumbles by.
 
See it at http://www.bazillionbooks.com/1991StealthForSale.html
 
The car is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
 
Offers in excess of $9,000 will be entertained. (Book is $8K, but that's for a stocker with probably 100,000 miles -- this is low mileage with all the mods and a warranty still in effect).
 
Rich/slow old grandpoop
 
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