Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth Sunday, August 18 2002 Volume 01 : Number 929

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anthony Tse <tse1631@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: I lose

Last night I was racing with a late model RX7 TT at a
lake side in San Francisco. My car is all stock 92
VR4 except a FIPK with badly leaking shocks. Both on
the front. That RX7 got some mods. like exhaust and
at least a BOV because I can hear that loud noise.
That car is very stable at curves while mine was kind
of drifting when turn at 65mph+ and I can hear my
tires are making some loud noise and til to one side.
Well, I don't blame my car because of the leaking
struts. I am going to replace them tomorrow.
Anthony

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:35:54 -0600
From: "Donald Ashby III" <dashbyiii@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Never reaching much boost...

Up untill last week I have only been able to reach 7 psi of boost with the
wastegates unplugged. Then I did a pressure test, I pressurized the intake
to 8 psi (the max it would get to before my pressure tester would blow off)
and I fixed several leaks, and found no more. After the pressure test I have
been able to get to 10 1/2 to 11 psi of boost in 2nd and 3rd, but that is
still with the wastegates disconnected. What else can I look for as I am
trying to boost to 14 psi, thanks. Could one of my wastegates be stuck open,
or do I need to find a way to pressurize the intake past 8 psi, or could one
of my turbos be blown, grasping at straws here. Please reply to me as I can
only get the digest version.
Once again thanks :)
Donald Ashby
'93 3000GT VR-4
Member #4909

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:17:07 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: SL ECS Struts

I have changed springs on my car myself... I actually did it in the
school parking lot when I was in college the first time... It's quite
simple, and you can rent a spring compressor at just about any parts
store... In the rear, you will be the only one that will modify those
spots like Bob is talking about, 'cause no shop will take that
liability... I didn't modify mine until about a year after I did the
springs, and wore out a pair of tires due to this... I will mention
though.. It's not that hard a job... I might add that since then I have
also taken the springs off to repaint and refinish them as well, and put
them back together... I have also installed Ground Control's on a
friends car with a similar suspension too... None of it is that bad...
The bolt that they broke off... I have NEVER heard of that happening...

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Forrest
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:43 PM
To: Team3S
Cc: cerri@intersystems.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: SL ECS Struts

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Cerri" <cerri@intersystems.com>
> I have a 92 SL with ECS and leaking struts all round.
> What's the deal with replacing these and/or lowering the car at the
same
time, with costs and degree of difficulty?
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Great idea to do them at the same time, but you probably want to find a
good
shop to do it, rather than DIY... The shocks are pretty simple, and the
Eibachs, too..., almost-- Getting back to spec alignment is impossible
without some custom work on the rears. You need to elongate (NOT
enlarge!)
the mounting holes *horizontally outward* about 1/8"-3/16" and (ideally)
spot-weld the washers in place (they *will* move otherwise!). Also, the
eccentric bolts are a natural for someone (without a manual) to put a
wrench
on and trash (they are hidden from view), so I *highly* recommend that
you get
the work done at your nearest "Satan" dealership. I have more details
of my
"Eibach Nightmare" that I can send you privately (or use that term as a
search
string on the Team3S Search Page). Diagram is at
www.Team3S.com/Images/CamberDraw.gif.
- --KYB struts will run $80-$150 a pair, depending on type.
- --Eibach ProKit Progressive Springs are ~$240 for 4.
(Lower 1.3", better handling, more solid ride).
Total = $400 for parts, $300 for labor, estimated... Worth every penny.
Photo of my '94 Stealth (NT) lowered with Eibachs:
www.Team3S.com/Images/S-G622.jpg

Good luck!

Forrest

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:07:07 -0700
From: David Margrave <davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Team3S: marvel mystery oil for noisy lifters

I read on here a long time ago about the recommended procedure of
putting half a quart of MMO in with an oil change, and then changing
again after a small number of miles, or whatever the exact procedure was.

I was curious about just what was in this stuff, and so sent a sample to
blackstone laboratories oil labs. Here is a summary of their report:

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Comments: One would think use of this additive would cause a rise in
phosphorous but the phos level in your 10W/30 looked normal. This was
light stuff and may be the reason your oil level read slightly light for
a 10W/30, looking more like a 5W30 when checked at 210 deg. F. (They
think I added some of this to a previous 10W30 sample I sent them, which
I did not). Either viscosity range would be okay for your engine. The
low flash point of this additive may be the reason we thought we were
seeing gas in previous samples. We use the flash point to quantify gas
in a gas engine oil.

Elements in Parts per Million:

Aluminum: 0
Chromium: 0
Iron: 1
Copper: 1
Lead: 0
Molybdenum: 0
Nickel: 0
Manganese: 0
Silver: 0
Titanium: 0
Vanadium: 0
Boron: 0
Silicon: 1
Sodium: 0
Calcium: 0
Magnesium: 0
Phosphorous: 576
Zinc: 1
Barium: 0

Properties:
Sus. viscosity at 210 deg F: 35.5 (compare to 59.3 for 10W/30)

Flashpoint deg F.: 195 (compare to >=365 for 10W30)

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So I tend to think this stuff is not going to kill my engine in a small
quantity. Does anyone who has actually done this want to add any mor
info or advice?

Dave

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:25:41 -0500
From: "merritt@cedar-rapids.net" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Watch out for this radar

Here's a little story you might find interesting.
Rich/slow old poop

Police Radar Foils Detectors, Thanks to NIST
Your tax dollars are helping police enhance city and state revenue by making it easier for them to nab speeders. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), Gaithersburg, Maryland, has developed calibrator and simulator units that will certify the performance of "Across the Road" radar units.
The new units allow police to aim radar across a road - instead of parallel to it - so they can enhance revenues without being detected by conventional radar detectors.
The technique allows easier concealment, better differentiation between vehicles, and automated identification when used with complementary photographic equipment.
Unfortunately for the police, these radars also require frequent calibration to ensure their accuracy, which is how the NIST got involved. The NIST simulators will allow radars to be calibrated to an accuracy of 2 kph.
Meanwhile, if you get busted by an across the road radar, your only defense is to claim lack of calibration, because the NIST units are just now undergoing field tests and are not yet available as a commercial product.

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:49:56 -0700
From: "dakken" <dougusmagnus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Watch out for this radar

I found a little technical info on http://copradar.com/ . There is much
more on this web page on police radars. Here is what they have specifically
on across the road radars:

Doug
92 Stealth RT TT

ACROSS THE ROAD (photo or safety) radars are designed to point a narrow beam
(typically 5 degrees) across the road at an angle -- instead of down the
road. The beam cannot cross the road at anything close to 90 degrees but
something much less (typically about 22 degrees). The main beam of the radar
paints only a small portion of the road. These systems, if designed
properly, account for the Cosine Effect angle (based on alignment angle and
beamwidth) and adjust (upward 6% to 9% for a 5° beam aligned at 22°)
measured target speed.

Photo radars, or camera radars as they were first called, were in
experimental stages of development as early as 1954 using S band radars. In
1983 the state of Texas tried a French-manufactured Ka band radar for a time
but discontinued its use because the units were being stolen right off the
road. Many communities continue to use photo radar because of the revenue it
generates; some communities have outlawed photo radar, usually because of
public pressure.

Photo radar (constantly transmitting) automatically detects a speeding
violation (auto-lock) and photographs and/or video tapes the suspect
vehicle, and records vehicle speed and typically the date, time and
location. In states that have only one license plate (rear) two photographs
(and cameras) are required to photograph the license plate and driver -- one
photo (front of vehicle) to get the driver, another photo (rear of vehicle)
to capture the license plate. Some units function at night by using a flash.
Some units use an orange flash filter -- an orange flash is not as bright
(as a white light flash) and should startle the driver less. Many photo
radars connect to a computer or printer to retrieve stored data statistics
such as number of violations, time and speed of each violation, etc.

A police officer does not have to see (or even be near) the alleged
violation -- the process is automatic. The police officer is replaced by
electronic circuits and a still and/or video camera. Many drivers do not
even know they were recorded by photo radar (usually hidden in a van,
pick-up truck, highway maintenance vehicle, etc.) until weeks later when a
ticket and photograph (usually includes license plate and driver) arrives in
the mail. Note that the registered vehicle owner may not be the driver, but
the owner still gets the ticket.

Some Across the Road Radars connect to a large display to indicate a
driver's speed to the driver (Safety Radar). Some Safety Radars only display
speeds above the limit, some display all speeds measured. Some units record
all speeds measured, some only record speed violations. Safety Radars
usually do not record the driver or vehicle, unless connected to a camera.

When operator controlled, rarely used, the radar can be set to constantly
transmit, or set to instant-on (transmit only on operator command). In
either mode the operator can observe target speed on a display and/or set
the radar to automatically photograph (auto-lock) violations.

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:45:51 EDT
From: DonBrando36@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: stock turbo spool up time

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sorry to bother the list but i wanted to know at what RPM the stock turbos in
the 2nd gen VR-4 spools up at? and the same for the 3rd gen supra twins?

brandon
93 3000GT

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:11:56 -0500
From: "Matt Jannusch" <mjannusch@attbi.com>
Subject: Team3S: New 3/S quarter mile record

8/18/2002
1/4 ET: 10.787
1/4 MPH: 133.98
No Nitrous

...by Mike Mahaffey from AAM.

Haven't seen a timeslip, but that's the word from Mike on 3si.org.

Guess those "oversized" turbos are good for something after all. :-)

Its about time a new record was set, four years or so for progress to break
the old record is a long time to wait!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:19:59 -0700
From: "Tigran Varosyan" <tigran@tigran.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New 3/S quarter mile record

Does this car have a publicly posted mod list? What boost/octane/knock
control?

Tyson

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@team3s.com [mailto:owner-team3s@team3s.com]On Behalf
Of Matt Jannusch
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:12 PM
To: Team3S
Cc: MN3S
Subject: Team3S: New 3/S quarter mile record

8/18/2002
1/4 ET: 10.787
1/4 MPH: 133.98
No Nitrous

...by Mike Mahaffey from AAM.

Haven't seen a timeslip, but that's the word from Mike on 3si.org.

Guess those "oversized" turbos are good for something after all. :-)

Its about time a new record was set, four years or so for progress to break
the old record is a long time to wait!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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