Team3S: 3000GT & Stealth   Saturday, August 17 2002   Volume 01 : Number 928




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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:04:17 -0400
From: "Roger J. Roskam" <IndyStealth@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quality of gas vs. Octane rating.

> I'm not sure about the quality differences but 0.14 cheaper per gallon
> and higher octane, something doesn't seem right.
>

You could be on to something.  Check the ethanol content - it should be
posted somewhere on the pump.  Ethanol raises the octane rating of (but
produces less energy than) gasoline, and *can* reduce the cost per gallon.
I know Iowa subsidizes its ethanol gasoline prices (it's made from corn ->
grain alcohol), but in other states that's not the case.

I don't like 10% ethanol + 90% gasoline.  It doesn't make as much power as
100% gasoline, and I avoid it whenever possible.  I don't use Sunoco gas for
that reason.  Octane isn't the only thing you should look at when gas
shopping!

Roger Roskam
91 Stealth RT/TT




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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:33:02 +0000
From: "Andrei Kryjevski" <abk_4@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: cylinder compression test

Hello:

How inaccurate would be a compression test performed on front bank cylinders
only with spark plugs in the rear ones (92 R/T NA)? I am aware that the
instructions say to take all the spark plugs out, but is it really
necessary? Could anybody explain?

Thank you.

Andrei Kryjevski.



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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:56:40 EDT
From: M3000GTSL84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Quality of gas vs. Octane rating.

Everyone has seemed to cover the topic, but all i can say is that Large
companies like Amoco and Exxon produce enough excess to sell on the "gas
black market". . .So that when u stop on that corner gas station you can be
pretty positive its 93 octane, you just dont know where its from.

The beauty of this, or horror, is that it could be Amoco gas one week and
Exxon gas the next, they can change suppliers easily-and i would think it
would never enable the car to properly adjust because of the different
additives each gas has-like every1 has said before.

Is the extra .14 cents worth knowing where the gas came is a question only
you can answer.

- -mike
97 SL

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:09:31 -0500
From: "John Monnin" <John.Monnin@3Si.zzn.com>
Subject: [none]

Jeff:

I had no problems putting my 91 heads on my new 93+ 4-bolt main block
but I was using the head mtd CAS.  See my webpage for full details on
the other issues with a 4-bolt main conversion.

http://johnmonnin.netfirms.com/4bolt.html

I have since talked to one guy on 3SI who put 91 heads on his 93+ by
just leaving the CAS on the head and not attaching it to anything. 
He left the stock CAS wiring connected to the sensor on the front of
the block.  I can't remember who it was that did this.

Greg McIntire rewired his 93+ NA to accept the CAS from the heads! 
See his webpage for details,  He actually swapped a whole 1st gen
engine in his 2nd gen car because of an engine mix up!

http://greg.mcintyre.home.mindspring.com/jdm_engine_swap.htm

I have heard but not seem proof of following, I would love someone to
verify or deny:  If you replace the rear intake camshaft (that drives
the CAS on 91,92) with a newer camshaft, a standard camshaft seal
will plug the hole in the head were the CAS used to go.

John Monnin
1991 VR-4
4-bolt main conversion

Original Message Below

>Out of curiousity, do 1991-1992 heads mount to the 1993+ block
>without major
>hassle (CAS differences noted)?

>Thanks,

>Jeff Lucius, http://www.stealth316.com/

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:00:04 -0500
From: "John Monnin" <John.Monnin@3Si.zzn.com>
Subject: Team3S: NG Gingerman, off track excusion

There was an off track excursion at the NG Gingerman event, it was
Jeremy Gleason the National Gathering overall coordinator.  In his
defense he only had about 2 hours sleep the night before and I might
had shamed him into driving a little.  I am not sure if he actually
went off track but his Metal Matrix pads started on fire from what
the spectators say.  My Porterfield R-4 pads with Motol600 and no
dust shields worked great.  I was hitting 100mph on the back straight
and abusing my brakes for several laps before Jeremy's red flap
forced me to stop.  It looked like a fire extinguisher went off
because the white smoke was rolling off my brakes, but no signs of
fading.

I bet Jim Floyd was hitting 110 mph on that back straight, he scared
the $h!t out of the student who rode along with him.   Jim Drove HARD
I think he got a black flag too for some aggressive driving.  I
talked to one of Jim's students and he said Jim had some great
beginners driving tips like.   "lets see what this car can do!";   "I
think you can take that next curve a lot faster"   and "They call me
Farmer Floyd because I am always in the fields!"  Jim was great and
at every event, even when he was spectating, he looked like the
person having the most fun.

I was so grateful that my students were such naturals.  I really
didn't want to instruct because I was not qualified.  But when I
realized there would not be enough experienced drivers I took a 1 day
driving class with CGI at the Gingerman.  That was the full extent of
my qualifications.  My only goal was to show the new drivers a decent
line and keep them out of the ditch.  I was successful at those 2
goals so I was happy.

When I got home I felt horrible because I was going to let Dave Trent
take a few laps in my car but we ran out of daylight way too quick. 
That was a shame because we kept joking that my Dunlop M2 snowtires
are still going strong after 3 autocrosses, 3 evenings drag racing
and 2 driving events at the Gingerman.  I keep meaning to get new
tires but these things are lasting so long I might get another
set...or not;)

HUGE thanks go to all of the people who helped instruct at this
event.   Chuck Willis, Jim Floyd, Randy Walker and Dave Trent (who's
car didn't make it) P.S.  Randy Walker had one of the fastest times
(2nd or 3rd I think) at the autocross with what looked to be stock
car with race tires, His wife Judy was only a hair slower.  Sorry I
screwed up at the banquet and told everyone she beat you.

Before the Road course event I was getting so burnt out that I
commented that I wouldn't be willing to drive any distance for next
years gathering.   After an evening at the Gingerman I am ready to
make hotel reservations in St Louis were Next years National
Gathering is going to be.

John Monnin

Original Message below, cut down:

>I don't know if there were any off-track excursions, but would like
>to know.
>I do know there were several black flags for mechanical problems, a
>couple
>of black flags for counseling and one red flag for a mechanical, like
>somebody lost a down pipe or something. I thought somebody went off
>at turn
>2 ahead of me, but maybe they were just so much faster that I
>couldn't catch
>up after they blew my doors off.

>Chuck Willis

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:55:43 +0400
From: Andrew Spargo <spargo@emirates.net.ae>
Subject: Team3S: Scratched Headlight covers

For those of us who suffer from this problem (and mine are shot after 6
months due to the sand blasting here in the desert), I thought I would let
you know my remedy. I use a fine finishing compound (as used for rubbing
down paint) to remove the scratches, then polish with “Duraglit” or Brasso
and finish off with silver polish. The finish is as good as new; I have to
compromise sometimes as to send a $30 polishing kit here costs me $90 for
12-14 day delivery by UPS.

Andy Spargo
1999 VR4 (Middle East specs)




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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:31:45 -0700
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: block & heads

> I had no problems putting my 91 heads on my new 93+ 4-bolt main block

Me too!

> I have heard but not seem proof of following, I would love someone to
> verify or deny:  If you replace the rear intake camshaft (that drives
> the CAS on 91,92) with a newer camshaft, a standard camshaft seal
> will plug the hole in the head were the CAS used to go.

This is what Brian at GTPro told me too.  However, you would want to replace
all camshafts since the grind is different on the 93+ engines

- -Ken


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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:55:13 -0400
From: "Andre Cerri" <cerri@intersystems.com>
Subject: Team3S: SL ECS Struts

I have a 92 SL with ECS and leaking struts all round.

What's the deal with replacing these and/or lowering the car at the same
time, with costs and degree of difficulty?

Car is only used for hard road use, not racing of any kind.

Thx

Andre


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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:42:57 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: SL ECS Struts

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Cerri" <cerri@intersystems.com>
> I have a 92 SL with ECS and leaking struts all round.
> What's the deal with replacing these and/or lowering the car at the same
time, with costs and degree of difficulty?
- -------------snip----------------

Great idea to do them at the same time, but you probably want to find a good
shop to do it, rather than DIY...  The shocks are pretty simple, and the
Eibachs, too..., almost--  Getting back to spec alignment is impossible
without some custom work on the rears.  You need to elongate (NOT enlarge!)
the mounting holes *horizontally outward* about 1/8"-3/16" and (ideally)
spot-weld the washers in place (they *will* move otherwise!).  Also, the
eccentric bolts are a natural for someone (without a manual) to put a wrench
on and trash (they are hidden from view), so I *highly* recommend that you get
the work done at your nearest "Satan" dealership.  I have more details of my
"Eibach Nightmare" that I can send you privately (or use that term as a search
string on the Team3S Search Page).  Diagram is at
www.Team3S.com/Images/CamberDraw.gif.
- --KYB struts will run $80-$150 a pair, depending on type.
- --Eibach ProKit Progressive Springs are ~$240 for 4.
(Lower 1.3", better handling, more solid ride).
Total = $400 for parts, $300 for labor, estimated...  Worth every penny.
Photo of my '94 Stealth (NT) lowered with Eibachs:
www.Team3S.com/Images/S-G622.jpg

Good luck!

Forrest



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